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Why can't I buy an AA-12?
Why aren't semi auto civilian models available?
Because the ATF (Agency for Termination of Fun) hates us. Probably some BS about it having no sporting purpose or something.
>>28655927
Very good question , it is a semi-automatic magazine fed shotgun , which is currently a legal item in many states of the US.
It should be built locally and on sale in the US.
>>28655927
Because the guy who invented it dropped it when US mil didn't buy it, I think.
>>28655961
Holy shit Harley has a pimped out Chiappa Rhino
>>28656069
She fell for the /k/ meme
>>28655980
So why isn't anybody else building it? You know those things would sell like crazy.
It fired from the open bolt, which means the gun would have to be entirely redesigned to sell in the US.
>>28656121
Because you need to own the rights to manufacture it
To start off, you need to be 18 to own firearms, which you obviously aren't
>>28656121
Also, it was an automatic, open bolt design. It'd need a considerable rework to be civilian legal, and the market for a heavy, bulky semiautomatic shotgun is pretty small.
>>28656069
I'm sad that she's a genius but lacks trigger discipline
>>28656143
To add off, there are responsible children whose parents let them keep rifles and ammunition in their room.
>>28656159
I feel like someone of Harley Quinn's nature isn't gonna give a fuck about trigger discipline.
>>28656136
But the patent is expired...
>>28656152
Point. But you know that 90% of the US market is range toys, hobbyists and collectors (I totally made up that number).
I'd buy one, anyway.
>>28656238
Seconded. Harley would probably be amused if the thing went off unexpectedly.
>>28655927
Why would you want to buy an AA-12 anyways? I mean, the Saiga 12 exists.
>>28656876
If the saiga 12 exists why doesn't the AA 12?
>>28656966
I mean, there is nothing the AA-12 doesn't do that Saiga doesn't do better.
AA-12 is a meme shotgun launched into popularity by Call of Duty.
>>28656977
*nothing AA-12 does do
>>28656977
Be American.
>>28655927
I loved this gun in video games but the more I look at it, its really ugly. Dont think I would ever want one IRL
>>28655958
Fuck sporting purposes.
The 2a was mean to ensure we could kill remove an over reachinf out of control government and all of its hostile agents if and when necessary
>>28656999
Welll... I guess you do have a point there.
Point conceded.
>>28656977
I like the unique all stainless innards surrounded by glass fiber reinforced nylon.
>>28656127
I understand what open bolt means, but why would it be illegal? What is it about open bolt that makes it more dangerous or something?
>>28656977
>not wanting it because of kf/kf2
>>28657184
Yeah good question. I'm new to guns though.
>>28656999
Checked
America only from now on.
>>28657199
>wanting it because of 2 dead games
>>28656999
I try my best.
>>28657184
Open bolt and machineguns go together like pussy and dick.
Open bolt is easy to build in a garage, reliable, and hard to make semiauto. The Uzi, MAC10, M240...all open bolt.
Closed bolt is more accurate and it actually takes some effort to convert to full auto.
America keeps import banning mag fed semi-autos. I wanted to buy a VEPR-12 but noooo, lets jack the price up by two grand a couple weeks before I could pick one up at the local gun show.
So fucking thanks for that, Obama.
>>28657330
VEPR-12 aren't import banned doe
>>28656977
AA-12 recoil is far better and more manageable than any saiga.
>>28656152
>the market for a heavy, bulky semiautomatic shotgun is pretty small.
This. The 'tactical' market is dominated by carbines to the total exclusion of shotguns now, and people who buy shotguns for actual sporting purposes can't be bothered for such a huge and heavy gun when comparatively svelte tube fed guns fulfill their needs better.
>90% of the US market is range toys, hobbyists and collectors (I totally made up that number).
Totally made up indeed, see >>28656876
A widely produced and effective detachable box mag fed shotgun that is inexpensive enough to make it into most range toy hobbiest collections but still so bulky and heavy as to be practically nonexistent for shotgun sports and hunting, and fighting tooth and nail against tube fed with speedloaders in the tiny niche of open division action shooting.
>>28657347
*Sees vepr-12s on GB for original pre-ban ~$800* Well hell, when did this happen? Pretty sure they were in fact banned before.
>>28657184
Open bolt guns are very easy to make full auto. Usually it can be done by removing enough parts to let the bolt cycle back and forth uninterrupted.
Open bolt guns are not illegal per say however they are virtually always considered by the ATF to be "readily convertible" to full auto and thus are virtually always legally considered machineguns.
>>28657398
People panicked and bought them thinking they were baned (to be fair, no one was really sure)
then the next wave of imports came in and made everyone look silly
>>28656069
You mean it's bedazzled?
>>28657509
I am noticing there is a catch on the new batch, though, the old ones had a fully functional folding stock with a tiny tack weld holding it shut, and the new ones are just straight up fixed stock with no chance of conversion to folding.
>>28657533
Kek
>>28657377
Only because it's heavy as fuck.
>>28655961
It has a bore larger than .50" which combined with it having "no sporting purpose" results in its ban from importation and subsequent classification as a destructive device.
US firearm law isn't that complicated. There are only about a dozen relevant pieces of legislation one needs to read Federally.
>>28655927
It's open bolt.
>>28658208
Only because the recoil spring is like two feet long.
>>28658495
Which also negates the possibility of a folding or collapsing stock. It's an extremely inflexible design.
>>28658253
What does "no sporting purpose" mean?
I'd blow the fuck outta some skeet with this thing ink
>>28658941
It means whatever the ATF wants it to mean
>>28657398
Get one while you can anyways. They will be import banned at some point. Those sanctions are NEVER going away.
I like the older models better.
Because it's a street sweeper.
>>28655927
Better question is why does nobody use the AA-12 anymore?
>>28656977
>Not the Arma 2 HE machine.
>>28661569
Could you shut your mouth if you don't know what you are talking about?
>>28658253
It's a US made gun, dumbass. They are open bolt and the manufacturer has no desire to redesign it.
>>28661638
OK fucktard
"The registration period for the USAS-12, Striker-12, and Streetsweeper shotguns will close on. May 1, 2001."
>>28661638
Since you probably want more:
https://www.atf.gov/file/83656/download&q=street%20sweeper%20banned&ved=0ahUKEwi5obXw3MHKAhUJ9WMKHWmjAu0QFggfMAE&usg=AFQjCNGKw0h_tBm5HPtelfn8xy9oSakSTg
>>28662027
Really moron? The AA-12 is not any of those you fucking idiot.
>>28662044
>Implying the AA-12 is the same as the USAS-12, Striker and Streetsweeper
Not every semi automatic shotgun is a "streetsweeper" you fucking dumb nigger.
>>28662687
the streetsweeper isn't semi-automatic though, it's a revolver
>>28662717
AA-12=/=Other banned shotguns. "Streetsweeper" is not a type of shotgun. It is a specific model of shotgun that was labeled a DD by Clinton in the 1900s. The AA-12 is not a iteration of that gun and thus a semi auto version built in the US would not be banned.
There are a few semi-auto open bolt guns grandfathered in floating around the market that do not require a tax stamp. I've seen semi-auto open bolt mac's and interdynamics KG-99's on gunbroker. The prices are typically 2-3x times a semi-auto closed bolt clone.
>>28655927
>Why aren't semi auto civilian models available?
There is no reason why a semi-auto aa-12 can't be made, it would just have to be chambered in 410, and then an 'after market' conversion kit would need to be sold to convert it to 12 gauge.
The patents are long expired, so the only restrictions should be:
- getting it approved for sporting purpose because bigger than 0.50 cal (which is why above is proper process to bypass that shit.)
- not being able to call in an aa-12 because trademarks / glock syndrome
>>28662687
Hey when it comes to shotgun vs DD it's all ababo the looks nowadays. Sporting purposes and all.
>>28662743
I didn't say the streetsweeper was a type of shotgun. I just said it wasn't semi auto
>>28656127
This.
>>28657184
Some bullshit about being "readily convertible" to full auto.
>>28658253
They fucking import shotguns from China I don't understand your logic.
>>28657184
An open bolt action is very simple for a machinegun.
Essentially the trigger is holding the bolt back, and when you pull the trigger it drops the bolt and lets the action cycle until you release the trigger and it catches the bolt in the open position.
Rifles shoot from the closed bolt to aid in accuracy, rather than have the bolt slam forward, you typically just have the hammer drop on the firing pin so there is less shit moving around that can throw off your accuracy.
In order to make a closed bolt design full auto in an example such as the m16 requires the hammer to drop at specific point during the action cycling.
If it's not done correctly, best case the hammer rides the bolt home and doesn't fire or worse case it fires out of battery and fucks your shit up.
Side note, the FG 42 had select fire, and would fire closed bolt in semi and open bolt in full auto.
>>28664080
Maybe not readily but it's definitely easy to convert to full auto compared to closed bolt guns. I mean you can disagree with it all you want but by the logic that FA is illegal without a tax stamp it makes sense.
