What are the best pistol caliber carbines on the market? Is there anything similar to the Skorpion Evo? Are mp5 clones solid?
>>28655058
Best would be the Sig MPX.
It is very similar to the Scorpion Evo.
Some MP5 clones are good, most are shit, all are twice the cost of a Scorpion Evo.
Honorable mention to the Beretta CX4, 8/10 gun that doesn't cost a grand.
>>28655058
Not op but also curious. Any experience with sub 2k? Or is it best to grab a Hi Point
>>28655058
MP5 is king, and now you can get license built ones with good warranties. The Zenith Z-5 series is better than the POF at the moment and comes with 3 mags as well as an optics rail.
>>28655125
Are there any similar to the evo at or below its price? Or do you have to pay like $1200 for a solid carbine?
>>28655141
Sub2k's are neat.
They're worth buying if you can find a Glock-mag version for under $450, but since lelkek only makes like 5 a year they typically go for nearly twice MSRP (which is $500).
>>28655170
Sadly no, the Evo and the MPX are the only two in their genre (modern-looking, forward-mag "SMG" style PCC's). And yes, you do have to spend $1200(+) to get a solid one, since the Evo breaks regularly at low round counts.
>>28655170
This guy again
>>28655188
If you want a solid PCC for under a grand your ONLY options are the Beretta CX4 or a 9mm AR. There's a couple companies making dedicated-9mm AR lowers that take Glock mags, but I personally don't see anything wrong with the Uzi-mag conversions.
Especially if you already own an AR, it's a mag block and an upper. A basic-bitch upper+mag block is under $600.
>>28655213
What mags does the Beretta take
>>28655259
Beretta Px4 mags.
>>28655188
Damn is the evo that bad?
>>28655269
Interdesting
>>28655285
From everything I've heard and read, yeah the Evo breaks constantly and spare parts are unobtainium.
>>28655141
Get a sub 2k for fun, best bang for Buck.
Sig MPX looks nice.
>>28655300
Fucking weak
Thompson son
>>28655259
there are versions of the Cx4 that will take 92 mags.
>>28655058
Lemme guess, you tried adventuring in the caliber jungle and you got Lost.
>>28655783
Lel
>>28655777
Forreal? How can you tell the difference
It's pretty heavy, but this is actually supposed to be a good gun if you can make one from a kit. I'm waiting for my tax stamp and for a friend who is altering the bolt and FCG for me. You can completely detach the barrel from the receiver very easily so it folds up pretty small(though not as compact as a sub2000 obvs)
9mm AR is best SMG
>>28656217
>Pretty Heavy
Those motherfucker's weigh 13lbs loaded. They're beyond heavy for a 9mm carbine.
...But goddamn are they sweet shooters.
>>28656522
>UTG
>>28656522
Ugly
>>28656780
Lol, I guess that is a bit of an understatement. I can't wait to shoot mine. I was surprised how easily you can swap the barrel out, makes it kinda compact too, you could stick it in a backpack pretty easily.
>>28655058
The CX4 may not be the best, but it's decent. It's pretty accurate, reliable and easy to clean. Fun range toy.
>>28655259
The one I have (Canada) takes 92 mags. They feed well, but are a bit stiff.
>>28656860
Your receiver looks parkerized; Is that one of the ones TNW threw together?
How's the fit and finish on it? Was your bolt parkerized as well? I've heard a ton of bad shit on them, but a comparable amount of positive reviews.
>>28656905
It's actually just a TNW receiver, the rest of it is from a parts kit. I bought the 100% receiver off of GB, and I was lucky enough to meet a guy who has made a few of these and was willing to trade my trashed receiver from my parts kit in return for altering the bolt and FCG for me. I hate parkerization with the force of 1000 suns, so I'm planning on trying to strip that shit off of there and rebluing it once I get a chance. My rifle isn't complete yet because I'm still waiting on my stamp and my gunsmith friend.
>>28657052
meant for>>28656948
>>28655058
WHERE'S THE JOKE FUCKLEY
>>28655141
The hipoint is a blast!
>>28656791
>ugly
that's just your opinion man
I just built an uzi pistol, waiting for a stamp to come back. It cost me about the same as a skorpion,
>>28655170
>Or do you have to pay like $1200 for a solid carbine?
The used market adds solid options in 9, 45, 40, and 44 mag. Respectively, you're looking at the Marlin Camp 9, Camp 45, Ruger PC4, and Ruger Deerfield. They take, respectively, S&W 59 series mags, 1911 mags, Ruger P series mags, and removable 4 shot rotary mags, respectively. Prices off your LGS used racks range from $400-700, depending on model and gouge factor. The first 3 are direct blowback, and the 4th is some sexy action that sounds like you're racking a Garand action.
Pic is an earlier generation of the Ruger 44 Carbine modified (by a gunsmith who was told it was impossible and took it as a dare) to feed from an Automag magazine, rather than from it's internal magazine.
>>28657446
I've heard that .45acp doesn't do well in carbine format. Are there any semi carbines in .45 Colt? Or do I have to get a levergun?
>>28657683
Rimmed cartridges don't do well in semi-autos. The issue with 45 in a carbine is that it doesn't gain any velocity from the increased barrel length vs pistols. Almost true for all PCCs, though. 9mm only gains like 200 fps. Pistol cartridges use fat burning powders that allow the bullet to accelerate to maximum velocity within a pistol barrel. Rifles just make them more accurate.
Pic is another option, JRCarbine, uses Glock mags
>>28657683
Wait! Got one! 5 shot double action .45LC/.410, 16" barrel, NICE fiber optic sights. Looks weird, shoulders and feels great.
>>28656208
They sell adapters also what your instructions say.
>>28657832
>revolver shotgun
enjoy your blown off thumb
>>28657939
It has a gas shield.
>>28657939
In the 1800s, rarely. Since that rifle's existed, no. Modern metallurgy and safety precautions are a LITTLE more robust than in the pre-JMB days.
>>28657446
Ruger PC series
>>28657446
Marlin Camp 9. 30 round stick are available, and 40 round drums are available for the .45.
Important to note that the recoil springs were undersized from the factory, and the recoil buffers were made of nylon, which was broken down by cleaning chemicals. Replace both immediately, with parts readily available from Midway and Wolff.
>>28658146
Goddamn phone. Wrong pic.
>>28655058
How bout fugliest?
>>28655058
Saw one for $500. Cool snowflake. Shoulda got it.
>>28655125
>Honorable mention to the Beretta CX4, 8/10 gun that doesn't cost a grand.
Why have the Galactica gun when you could have the Spaceballs gun?
Currently building a 9mm AR using a Glock magazine lower, and a .45ACP on a Mauser action.
Both are intended to be suppressed when done. The .45 I hope to do integral like a delisle carbine knockoff.
>>28658078
I still think ruger could make a mint if they brought this back.
>>28659445
These actually work and are reliable but they are heavy and handle like a brick.
>>28659556
They're currently making it as a bolt action. Lame.
>>28659572
Ruger makes a 9mm bolt gun? I knew they made a .357 but not a 9.
>>28656522
They look so fucking ugly though.
>>28656790
What there is UTG?
>>28659471
Because spaceballs a shit?
>>28659639
Scope mount.
>>28656905
>The CX4 may not be the best, but it's decent. It's pretty accurate, reliable and easy to clean. Fun range toy.
I shot a CX4 years ago at Beretta day at the NRA HQ range. It had a lot of recoil for a 9mm carbine. It wasn't a lot of recoil compared to a full power rifle but a lot for 9mm.
>>28659605
.357 and .44 mag.
>>28659605
Oh, no, the 44. Not 9.
>>28659646
May the schwartz be with you!
>>28655058
Go with the classis DoE (Department of Energy) Carbine
>>28655058
Give me your shekels...
You know you want to...
Also, PSA now makes a 9mm Glock AR-9
>>28660498
There's a lot of companies now making lowers. I think it's cool, I originally was going to convert Uzi mags but this is much better so far.
>>28660468
OMG OMG OMG OMG
That's so cute!
>>28660468
That's what they give to people guarding nuclear power plants right?
>>28660660
Back in the day. These days, M-4s. Full auto ones. They regularly train and drill force on force. As in, one plant's force attacks another plant in a drill. And they don't hold back.
>>28657446
>Marlin camp-series rifles
>$400
"no"
Pic related
>>28657683
They do fine.
What people don't like about them is they really don't gain much from the longer barrels.
Pic related is a near-max book load from a 16" barrel.
>16" barrel produces 1100fps
>5" barrel produces 854fps
>>28659471
Because I've seen one for sale one time total in my entire life and the guy wanted 3 grand for it.
Because I have NEVER seen spare mags for it.
Because it's an unreliable design.
This is the greatest PCC on god's green earth.
Don't forget to replace your recoil buffers, lads.
>>28660695
>"no"
"Yes". What I paid for mine 2 years ago, LGS. Nobody but morons pay gunbroker prices. Note the 0 bids. People try to sell discontinued rifles for excessive prices all the time. Let's be honest, it's cool, but it's a fairly common direct blowback 9mm. Some dipshits think any POS is automatically collectible after 2 years. I still see them in NH.
>>28660761
They are normally in the $700-900 range
>note the 0 bids
That's 99.9% of all gunbroker auctions.
>>28660752
>guy wanted 3 grand for it.
Reflective of the sellers drug habit. Not market forces.
>select all pictures of food
>some bizarre fucking tentacly mess, but it's on a plate, click it
>success
>>28660755
>this is the greatest PCC on earth!
>You just have to replace parts in it constantly, it's long, heavy, uses expensive low-cap mags, and has been out of production 25 years because it sucked and wasn't popular!
Uh huh.
>>28660783
If mags are this rare and expensive I'll pass.
>>28660776
>normally in the $700-900 range
My ass. Anyone buying one on an online auction site for that is a moron. I paid $399 for my 9 and $449 for my 45, and gun prices in NH SUCK. People online are just fucking gouging. Watch HONEST LGSs. Hint: If they have 500 round .22LR Blazer bricks for $50, GTFO.
>>28660785
>uses expensive low-cap mags,
Promag makes 3 round sticks for em cheap. Only parts I ever replaced were 2 with design flaws. Great ever since.
>>28660807
Also, pic related.
>>28660836
>promag
kek
>only parts I replaced had design flaws
And that plays into "greatest PCC of all time" how?
>>28660851
>And that plays into "greatest PCC of all time" how?
I didn't say that. But your arguments about parts and mags are bogus nonetheless.
So what's the best MP5 clone?
>>28660875
Oh excuse me.
"This is the greatest PCC on God's green earth"
Because that's somehow different than "greatest PCC of all time" seeing as how firearms don't spoil and there are fully functioning matchlock firearms from 400 years ago still.
>>28660915
I never said that, either, kiddo. There's at least 2 people disagreeing with you. The other guy held it up on a pedestal, I just disagreed with your kneejerk criticisms.
>>28655058
Sub 2k is my personal favorite.
>>28659471
>calico
>that double feed doe
Anyone know how to get a 7.62x25 carbine that doesn't weigh 14 pounds? 4-6 pounds would be ideal.
>>28661036
There's at least one company doing AR conversions.
Gonna be expensive AF but meets your weight and caliber requirements.
>>28661036
Broomhandle with stock attached.
>>28655300
That is a false statement. I personally put 7,000 rounds through my personal scorpion without any failures. The only time people are having failures with the scorpion is when they swap out OEM parts for the 922r compliance parts (sear).
>>28655300
Also, CZ has every part you need in case any part breaks, which actually isn't often.
>>28660785
>You just have to replace parts in it constantly
You might have to replace the recoil buffer once while you own it. They go bad in everything, even high end guns.
>>28655058
Fucking Loss
>>28655165
Yeah buddy. Saving up for one of those so I can SBR it on a few years,
>>28660660
>>28660687
Can confirm. Currently working for a big name company beginning with a P to build plant Vogtle in GA, they just had M4s, usually decked out in magpull shit with an eotech or aimpoint. The cool things are the MH-6's that they fly around in, usually with two people off each side.
>>28657122
You got it!
>>28655165
Do they have rifle length?
>>28655058
I wish the Marlin Camp 9/45 and Ruger PC9/40 were still around. If you want a non-BB PCC in Califuckistan those are your only options. I'm not counting the Chiappa abomination because it's a complete turd.
>>28655058
Hey wait, pistol calibers are supposed to go with short barrels, and rifle calibers with long barrels. Maybe that would mean that mediocre pistol calibres would quite work well for carbine lengths, rather than something proven like 9mm?
Maybe, say, 7.62 tokarev wouldn't be so bad in a rifle? Or how about .40 S&W, or .32 Magnum?
>>28661587
Shutup nerd. People want to buy a legal smg in a popular caliber. Not some dumb shit in a snowflake
>>28661625
7.62x25 is not snowflake man.
Its not as common as 9,40,45 but its not some crazy wild cat either
>>28661684
Whatever you say, slavaboo
>>28656790
Stop. There is NOTHING wrong with UTG.
>>28661198
Diffanon. Currently working in a state regulatory agency, so we play with the plant's accident responders. Ex-Navy Nuc, so previously stationed at the plants in the woods in upstate NY. Security and safety at those places is no joke.
Also, kudos to you, good sir, for helping build new plants. Literally no fucking way whatsoever to bring down carbon emissions without replacing, and surpassing, our country's current nuclear inventory (laughed my balls off when Massachusetts' last plant said they were closing due to finances +/or hostile environment. There is now absolutely no way whatsoever Massachusetts could possibly meet the greenhouse gas reduction goals they legislated in, and it's their own fault! ROFL)(MIT [The Institute] recently had a massive breakthrough in fusion, which could allow them to defeat the power budget issue within 5 years!).
.30 carbine
>>28661625
Hey, what the...
Isn't .40 a pretty common caliber that's also regarded badly? At least in it's intended use, ie. in handguns?
>>28663284
Some folk hate it. Some swear by it. Some realize it doesn't make that big a difference between the Big 3 (9/40/45 - honorable mention to 10mm). Hit em in the lungs/heart and even a .22 can do work.
>>28655058
Accept no substitutes
>>28655058
Are mp5's realy that rare. I got to shoot one in Ukraine and I didn't think anything of it.
>>28663783
There's a markup on a real HK product here in murrica over the clones. Also a real select fire mp5 that can actually be bought (machine gun registry, made before 1986) is even more so.
>>28663839
The one I shot might have been a knock off or something because it jammed every couple rounds.
