Is the SKS needlessly complicated?
>>28648501
>SKS
>Needlessly complicated
Just don't buy a Yugo and we're talking about one of the most straight forward, simple guns you can own.
>need
Git.
>>28648515
I thought a Yugo was the go-to SKS for any prospective raifu buyer on /k/?
>>28648635
They're cheap and they work but they're low-tier SKS's, if you want a real work horse you get a Russian or Sino Soviet.
>>28648515
>one of the most straight forward, simple guns you can own.
wut? all those springs and itty bitty pieces to lose. and what the fuck is the actual bolt locking mechanism?
I think you mean AK47, and seeing as a AK47 is only about $150 more than a decent SKS now days, id just go with that.
>>28648730
My thoughts as well. It's like there's enough parts attached to the barrel alone to build a Mak out of. I don't know how comfortable I'd be buying a gun that I don't understand how it works.
>>28648730
the AK has springs too, you know
>>28648882
forgot my image
>>28648833
If you can't understand how an SKS functions, you probably are legally retarded
>>28648501
if you think the SKS is a complicated weapon, you may in fact have brain damage
>>28648919
I think you forgot it again.
>>28648949
phone ate it, I swear
>>28648730
Its called a tilting bolt. Bolt carrier moves forward, bolt tilts downwards, lugs go into the cutaways in the reciever, bolt is locked.
>>28648931
he just means needlessly
I WANT TO BUILD AN SKS
like a modern, american version that can take an ar10 barrel and still clip-fed, 223 up to 338 federal (but I want to start with 6.5 grendel), and utilize existing trigger packs from an ak or mossberg 500 action. it will have adj. gasblock, optional FAL type recoil buffer system, and ambi-capable charging handle/extractor
I'm having trouble visualizing what to do about the trigger group and the BCG, there is a ton of room marked in pic related thats just, empty space, anyone care to hear the rest of my idea?
>>28648690
Sure, but you can't launch grenades with the other SKS rifles.
SKS is easily the simplest piston semi-auto i've ever taken apart.
>>28649155
says who? add yugo muzzle device, insert 'nade, load blank, brace charging handle against a signpost or something so it dont cycle, and boom, you just launched a grenade.
Out of curiosity, has anyone on /k/ owned or used a dummy grenade with their SKS.
I own a Norinco and i've always been a bit jealous of the yugos (except for their fuckheavy build and non-chrome barrel)
>>28649144
we heard it all pal, less doritos and anime fapping and more working on your awesome ideas and maybe I'll give a fuck
>>28649164
This.
I think OP doesn't realize how many parts in that parts explosion don't ever really get removed from the rifle during normal cleaning
>>28648501
Any gun looks needlessly complicated if you detail strip it, dumbass
>>28649654
Not the garand
>>28649710
Looks reasonably complicated to me.
>>28649189
sounds kinda unsafe tbqh fampai
>>28649418
I dont eat junk food. or watch fappable animus. and I doubt many people had the intention of re-creating an sks as a US-wide, rifle where you can have it in NY, NJ, CA and w/e other commie state there is.
A simple barrel extension/adapter/chamber can mate an AR barrel blank easily. longer fat chamber means higher throat pressure tolerance, also means a spot to mount a couple slots of 1913 rail where the leaf sight was.
yugo gasblocks can be drilled out for more settings to deal with pressure spikes with different [caliber] ammo.
put the blueprints up online for free and we have an open source, firearm that the entire country has easy access to.
All I need are yugo m56 and chinese stamped blueprints and measurements and I can start working in CAD
>>28649819
the only risk is putting a little extra stress on your gas system/piston
>>28649970
>I doubt many people had the intention of re-creating an sks as a US-wide, rifle where you can have it in NY, NJ, CA and w/e other commie state there is.
That's pretty smart, actually. This thing's going to have an integral mag a la SKS?
>>28648501
Comparatively speaking? Not at all.
>>28650001
but of course, with multi caliber support, from 5.56 up to 7.62R, maybe 300 winmag, and optional specific cal 20rd integral mag. the mag will have to be moved back towards the trigger guard I think, hopefully it will still fit in a original sks stock
I want to work out a system or adpater floorplate thing where it will take some kind of standardized magazines, ar10/15, AK5.45/7.62, Rem700 etc. probably only one type will be possible, but i wont know until I can figure out what kind of trigger pack I can replace the SKS's with. and do something about the BCG
>>28648501
Not really. The yugo gas system adds some complexity and new points of failure, but discounting that, It's pretty straight forward. Most everything has a stupid simple purpose. It has many parts due to this though. See the gas system.
On an AK the gas piston is locked to the bolt by a pin. On the SKS it's one piece that bumps to a spring loaded connector rod that likes to fly out across the room.
The trigger pack is a bit complex due to how the safety works... But 90% of it's reasons for doing stuff is either to simplify manufacture or simplify cleaning.
A simplified SKS would probably be like that similar egyptian DI gun in x39.
>>28650209
Not OP, but thats good to know, I hadn't thought about the Hakim(Rasheed?) at all. I wonder if those blueprints are easier to find than an SKS'
>>28650160
Honestly it's a neat sounding idea, but you'd be competing with AKs in most markets. And it might cost more than you think to r&d.
A better gun to actually sell would be it's mechanically similar big brother, the PTRS41, but chambered in .50 BMG,.338 lap, whatever.
>>28650273
The blueprints? Likely not. The SKS lacks any western patents due to commies, but I'm unsure of egyptian military stuff.
>>28650160
This Anon >>28650282 has a point, you'd be competing with the existing AK and SKS rifles. On the other hand, the allure of fixed-mag 5.56 carbine could be enough to draw people in. I know I'd buy one.
Of course, it could backfire badly and we lose your creation AND the SKS in commie states. As a NY resident, that scares me. Just make the thing look uber-fudd and we shouldn't have any issues.
>>28649970
Speaking of guns allowed in commie states, are there any good semi-auto rifles besides the SKS that load easily with stripper clips?
>>28648501
Compared to most western guns of the time its still extremely simple even if the AK has it beat in every regard.
>>28650370
The vz58 uses the same clips.
>>28650282
nobody is gonna be buying ammo at $6+ a shot man, why would I design a big boy FiveseveN?
>>28650300
I found a couple rapidshare links to original cryillic schematics for the Tula's I'm guessing. but rapidshare is dead. anything else I have found is being sold from sketchy Freepdf.com type sites. maybe forgotten weapons would be cool enough to make measurements for me, if they still have one
>>28650332
but existing AK's are banned by name in a few states, and more to come if the liberal idiocy gains traction. AWB is being proposed for WA ffs. SKS have only one chambering, sadly, while the 30.cal is legal for hunting, the original barrel is inaccurate, and the round lacks long range efficiency.
I think the biggest reason for this project would be a sleeper combat rifle. like an AR in a monte carlo stock, it can take any ammo you can find a barrel for, and will take an existing platform's triggers.
my marketing plan is "straight pull bolt-action, with adjustable gas system ;)"
>>28650455
>the AK has it beat in every regard
The SKS is more accurate
That's a big one
>>28648501
No. Most of these parts you'd never disassemble unless you were parting out the firearm or if it had substantial rust/pitting/other damage from poor maintenance and storage.
It's a simple design from simple times.
>>28648501
>Is the SKS needlessly complicated?
No, pic related. This is just the grip assembly, not the rest of the gun.
>>28650066
show me dem milk duds
>>28648963
I had someone swear up and down to me once that this>>28648963 was simpler than an m16. I told him he needs to stop huffing paint fumes.
>>28650592
Holy shit, Kel-Tec confirmed for crackheads.
>>28650692
The AK-47 has 96 parts, while the M16A1 has 156. That guy was right, fucktard.
>>28650282
as for cost, initially it will pretty much just be the cost of a couple rifles, functioning or not, and some time in a Fablab. to print poly parts to spec [minus springs] to test function. not going into detail with the rest yet
>>28650592
Christ.
>>28650592
Not impressed.
Sure, that's a lot of pins, but it's pretty straightforward, and it's a (thin) plastic shell. It would make sense that they would need that many parts.
>>28650827
True it is mostly threaded inserts and screws, but still it is more complicated than OP's SKS
>>28648501
Could you build one in a bike shop?
>>28650879
>Bike shops have sheet metal presses, lathes, furnaces and mills
What bike shop do you go to?
>>28651154
you only really need a drill, dremel/angle grinder, and a welder...
the Sten (offical production version) is a bit more complicated than what it "needs" to be to be a working gun...
>>28650066
Who is that woman.
>>28650160
Alright. You gave me this boner, Mr. .300 win mag SKS, now what are you gonna do about it?
>>28651154
Bike = motorcycle, genius.
