People are now using 3D printers to print their own firearms. Millions of schematics have been circulated, with hundreds of different designs.
Currently there is absolutely zero laws against making your own homemade firearms.
How does /k/ feel about 3D printed guns?
>I am in full support of gun laws, and the right to own, but this seems a bit to far. How can you guarantee the safety of the plastic? How do you know the hot expanding gasses won't warp the plastic rapidly? How can you guarantee accuracy, seeing as how metal will shave off the barrel a lot faster than a metal barrel? So what, a 13yo with a grudge can now print off firearms in an afternoon? A mentally unstable person now has access to firearms when they were previously prohibited? Criminals can now mass produce their own advanced weaponry? How do you trace the weapons in crimes, when you could literally just melt the evidence? How do you detect them in places such as airports or government buildings?
I feel like the uncertainty of the aspect leads to a lot of unanswerable questions. At what point does the safety of others and the value of other lives weigh in more than your own individual freedoms and rights? You can still own firearms, produced with specifications and tested rigorously. Do you really "need" plastic ones?
nice essay OP.
But its just like, your opinion man.
>why do you need--
>Into-the-trash.jpg
>>28590686
True freedom is the freedom to make poor decisions for yourself.
If I want to supersize my McDonalds, or smoke two Cigarettes at once, or build a plastic hand-grenade...
WHO
THE
FUCK
ARE
YOU
TO
TELL
ME
OTHERWISE?
>>28590686
3D printed guns are awesome
>Hope to see 3D printed guided missiles soon
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
its already bad enough that they regulate full auto firearms to the point that they are effectively banned for anyone other than the super rich
true free citizens should be allowed the same weaponry as the police and military
>>28590686
>why do you need
>thread hidden
>>28590686
>How can you guarantee accuracy
It's something made by you, what about a guarantee?
>How do you trace the weapons in crimes, when you could literally just melt the evidence
Except forensics doesn't work like that
>Criminals can now mass produce their own advanced weaponry?
Hardly advanced. The same can be done with section of pipe and fittings. Both cannot be regulated and both result in an equally questionable firearm.
>How do you detect them in places such as airports or government buildings?
This is a b8 thread.
Sage and hide folks.
A semi competent retard can build a luty gun. Someone with more machining experience could easily make stens cheaply and relatively easily. Any jackass could collect hdpe bottles, melt them into blocks, and use a few hand tools to make a derringer just like those 3d printers. A luty gun could be made much cheaper and will be way more reliable than a 3d printed gun.
>>28590744
plans?
How is this any different from making a pipe gun?
If any else of you here own a 3d printer, you know it's not as simple as loading up a model and pressing "print".
>>28590686
You clearly dont know that its possible to go down to any hardware store, buy a couple pieces of pipe, and make a shotgun out of it.
The whole point of 3D printed firearms is to show how stupid gun laws are, since they do nothing to really stop people from getting a gun.
You need to accept the fact that bad people will always be able to get a gun by some means, illegal or legally. Once you realize that, and that criminals will always break the law, all you are really doing is taking a means of protection away from the lawabiding people.
I think 3D printers will be more useful for making things like magazines than barrels or receivers.
>>28590686
you're like 15yo and this is your school homework, right?
Black market guns are easier to come across than printing crappy pieces of shit. It's a non-issue.
Sage
"I support-but"
Kill yourself OP
Freedom is scary
Can't give any of it up to feel safe
>>28590686
>a 13yo with a grudge can now print off firearms in an afternoon?
hurr this hasn't been a possibility since the beginning of firearms.
>A mentally unstable person now has access to firearms when they were previously prohibited?
Crazy faggots always obeyed the law up until now, and its ok to infringe on people's rights, right?
>Criminals can now mass produce their own advanced weaponry?
Look at me, I'm being retarded.
>How do you trace the weapons in crimes, when you could literally just melt the evidence?
Ballistic evidence is a meme, it is legally only slightly better than a polygraph tests (Courts will not accept polygraph tests because they are essentially mood rings). It's utterly worthless if you have a semi-competent lawyer.
Ballistic analysis relies upon the barrel, extractor, or firing pin. Considering this is america, the 'unique' marks left on bullets/brass is essentially the same as footprints at a crime scene.
"I bought these shoes from some guy, prove otherwise faggot. Any evidence you have otherwise is me with a different pair of shoes of the same brand and model. I also lost/sold/destroyed that pair, prove otherwise faggot." or
"Oh gosh, nikes are super rare. Go ahead and try to convict me solely on that, thanks for paying for my legal fees." or
"Look at me, I walked/ran like 10 miles and now the tread wear pattern is completely different" etc.
>How do you detect them in places such as airports or government buildings?
What's stopping you from bringing a ceramic knife into an airport? The law.
Also the fact that if you had the resources necessary to make everything you need to design, prototype, and construct a 100% non-metallic gun (and ammo) that was reliable, durable, magazine fed, and not shit, then you would have better ways to spend those resources.
>How does /k/ feel about 3D printed guns?
It is a meme (3d laser sintering is not the same thing). 3D printing is only for rapid prototyping and knick knacks.
>need
WHAT IS IT THE BILL OF?
>>28590712
>same weapons as military.
Have fun when some rich autist buys a nuke.
Full auto would be fun thou.
>>28592852
/thread
>>28592908
>Have fun when some rich autist buys a nuke.
What is north korea?
>>28590712
I want to believe you're trolling, but I have this eerie feeling that's not the case.
>>28592915
Kek.
>>28590686
The age of preventing people from having access to things is no longer feasible. We are entering an age, not where you say you can't have that, but rather you should not do this, and be able to show and express yourself enough to prevent it.
>How does /k/ feel about 3D printed guns?
that it's more cost effective and probably safer to make your own from metal pieces
>>28590686
is it legal to produce firearms as gifts? I know the intent to sell is illegal, but what if I just wanted to saturate my local area with 4winds, at my expense.
>>28590686
>>28592852
Also:
>I feel like the uncertainty of the aspect leads to a lot of unanswerable questions.
But I just answered all the meaningful ones.
>At what point does the safety of others and the value of other lives weigh in more than your own individual freedoms and rights?
Never. My rights are worth more than any amount of lives.
>You can still own firearms, produced with specifications and tested rigorously.
"Look we have a 100 square foot free speech zone, we are obeying the first amendment. Look at us not being commie/liberal traitorous bastards, I love redcoat cock."
>Do you really "need" plastic ones?
Look it's word play. I bet you also think climate change is the same thing as catastrophic climate change.
Do humans really need anything other than enough oxygen, protein, and calories to not die?
No... So the answer to that question for pretty much everything is no.
>>28590686
Still more expensive than building a bolt action 22.
3d printers aren't cheap, but pipes, plates, and springs are.
>>28592915
L E L
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>>28590686
>Criminals can now mass produce their own advanced weaponry?
they dont need to they get military grade now from black market gun factories (not that hard to make)
>How do you detect them in places such as airports or government buildings
its not hard to dress like an employee and get full access without going thru security (yes i have done it)
>How do you trace the weapons in crimes
hate to tell you something but regular guns are actually hard to trace and simple to alter the traceable elements if you try to (yes i know gun forensics)
>At what point does the safety of others and the value of other lives weigh in more than your own individual freedoms and rights?
you do know that what you just said was used as justification for the holocaust right? google eugenics
>Do you really "need"
no more then you need to have and tell your opinion on the public internet
>>28592852
Best response to anything I've ever seen on 4chan. Props for using logic, reason and realistic scenarios to prove your point. This is how you change someone's mind on a subject, great job, anon.
>>28590686
>I'm worried that insane people are going to spend an insane amount of money to buy a machine that'll make single-shot .380s
You should be more worried about lightning.
>>28593045
shut the fuck up neet
>>28592982
4 winds are illegal, short barrel shotgun. You could make a legal slambang though.
>>28593220
>not making a 26 inch barrel slam bang.
26 inch barrel because the ATF can't be trusted to know or obey their own rules.
>>28593186
>shut the fuck up neet
not neet
its my day off from work
>>28592885
>WHAT IS IT THE BILL OF?
Water
>>28590686
> I TOTALLY AND UTTERLY LOVE FREEDOM...BUT...
git
>>28593264
Me too.
7th day off work this week.
>>28590686
Gr8 b8 m8. 8/8.
Why is this thread still up after 7 hours?
>>28590686
>I think guns manufactured from corn cellulose with a $2000 machine are a bigger problem than, and different from, guns manufactured from a chunk of metal with a $100 drill press.
Never mind the fact you could manufacture a similar gun to the defcad with a nylon cutting board and some epoxy. The only people who are even remotely bothered by 3d printed guns are ignorant deposits who don't realize just how easy it is to make single shot pistols, aka most gun grabbers and casuals.
>>28592915
BTFO
>>28590686
I'm just disappointed it doesn't come on a quad copter frame for maximum media trolling. The sole purpose is attention not firearms so why not go for broke. Right?
>>28590700
Why would you want to buy a Glock, anon?
>>28590686
You asked a question that reflects highly on your decision making process:
>how does /k/ feel about this
>feel
Exactly.
>>28593549
Well played.
Would a zip gun be legal if it were rifled?
>>28590686
keep crying bitch nigga
>>28593629
A normal day of shopping in Africa.
>>28593652
Got my watermelon & and some crying kid
today was good day
>>28593553
I don't feel anything anymore...
>>28590686
It's beautiful, it make me want to cry joyfully. It reminds me of why I moved to the United States. Even with all the terrible things going on it is the only truly free country in Earth.
>>28593617
depends on the state and if its breaking any other nfa laws
a zip gun could easily fall into aow classification
>>28590712
>true free citizens should be allowed the same weaponry as the police and military
Said true, free citizens should BE the police and military.
>>28590700
>WHO
>THE
>FUCK
>ARE
>YOU
>TO
>TELL
>ME
>OTHERWISE?
When your decisions have a impact on the lives of other people.
>>28590686
>oh shit people can print guns with plasic!
What fucking happened to hardware stores?
Seriously
>get metal tube
>get bullet
>put bullet in tube
>hit bullet with hammer
Goddamn people dont think
>>28593708
>WHO
>When
>>28593698
Nevermind, you can't build a gun that doesn't look like a gun.
I'll guess I'll have to make a gun, then.
>>28593708
In a truly free world, a person's morbid obesity would be his own damn problem.
In your welfare world, you might as well make it illegal for people to own a knife since they might stab themselves in the hands and waste the precious time of emergency medical services.
>>28593708
>I want to smoke cigs and make my own guns so that obviously means i am fucking over others!
There is a fucking line between freedom and agression. The US was founded on the fact that this line could be very clear and definitive. The sole fact that nowadays people begin to think we need safety over freedom means the founding fathers have failed. Congratulations, america! The country of democracy and freedom is not democratic nor free anymore!
Frankly, I think it's a gimmick.
Conventional firearms are more cost effective; legal OR otherwise.
It's a neat concept, but just that for now.
>>28593804
The US was never democratic our free. What alternate reality do you live in?
>>28593767
>Britain
>>28593867
>Yuros can't afford full size images to poke fun at the US
>>28590744
Implying a luty gun isnt just a garage sten. Someone with access to the basic three machine tools (drill press, lathe, mill) and skill could make tokarev or 1911 clones (or at least a gun following the basic design) all fucking day
>>28590686
>>28590686
>At what point does the safety of others and the value of other lives weigh in more than your own individual freedoms and rights?
>Do you really "need" plastic ones?
>>28590767
Yeah especially for getting standard size mags and magwells between individual guns.
>>28592915
NICE
>>28593804
Second hand smoke is a thing.
>>28594520
so is private property
>>28594520
So is freedom. Stop being a faggot and get a gas mask if you dont want to smell the sweet tobacco being cleansed with fire
>>28593867
why is the finland bear so funny?
>>28594520
Unless you work in a dive bar there's basically zero chance your life it's going to be significantly impacted by second hand smoke
>>28590686
>doesn't know home made guns are legal
>doesn't know how to make guns
what is it with cucks and not knowing how to use tools? Not everyone grew up without a father figure buddy.
>>28590686
Why would there be a law about making your own firearms when you can walk to the store and buy one made by a practiced hand with the right tools for the job?
The only reason someone would make it illegal is gun companies making it harder for anyone else to start their own company through lobbying and etc.
>>28590686
Why the fuck would you 3d print a gun that might blow your fucking hand off, instead of buying a real gun for cheaper than a fucking 3d printer?
I think this is to prevent people from printing their own parts for gadgets and etc with the ever decreasing cost of these machines, business interests have never been in the market of allowing consumers to repair their own products. CNC machines are getting cheaper, you think Ford wants you to be able to mill your own tie rods for a fraction of the cost they sell them for?
>>28590744
>>28594129
Here's your reminder that Luty's SMG is about as effective as a multi barrel shotgun, so why not just go with a much simpler and smaller multi barrel shotgun?
3D printing is a meme u dip
any idiot can make a cheeky slam-bang in an afternoon and anyone with pipes, hand tools and an IQ of at least 70 can make a full giggle subgun
and the point about melting down 3D printed guns is stupid because literally any smoothbore weapon doesn't leave barrel striations on bullets so unless the perp is named tyrone and leaves shell casing on scene the police won't have any evidence to match weapons to a shooting anyway
>>28594739
>multi barrel shotgun
>implying it is easy or practical to get multiple barrels to align properly with amateur equipment
if you are going to make a shotgun with little meaningful accuracy then what is the advantage over a subgun you fucking retard?
>SHALL
>NOT
>BE
>INFRINGED
>>28594713
>Why the fuck would you 3d print a gun that might blow your fucking hand off, instead of buying a real gun for cheaper than a fucking 3d printer?
Could be illegal depending on where you live and what kind of weapon you want, leaves a paper trail or at least people who know they sold something to you.
>>28590686
>Currently there is absolutely zero laws against making your own homemade firearms.
this is fucking wrong though.
>>28590686
>At what point does the safety of others and the value of other lives weigh in more than your own individual freedoms and rights?
Literally never.
just cause.
>>28595047
Yeah, like the 3d printed gun they found and the fuckhuge 3d printer they found in your garage isn't enough evidence?
Try harder.
>>28593075
What's this?
>>28594946
>if you are going to make a shotgun with little meaningful accuracy then what is the advantage over a subgun you fucking retard?
You're acting like just a little misalignment will result in it spraying shot everywhere other than the target. You would have to get the alignment off by more than 1 degree (.175" difference in spacing of the barrels between the front and the back if the barrels are 10" long) for the patterns from each barrel to stop overlapping at least 50% and if you can't achieve at least that when building a gun you are liable to make something that would completely fail to function or be as dangerous to you as it would be to whatever you're pointing at. Also the shotgun would have the advantage of being be more compact as it wouldn't have a large magazine sticking out or need room for the bolt to travel making it actually concealable, more reliable as you don't have to worry about getting feed lips on a magazine and the feed ramp on the barrel perfect for it to fire every time, more controllable for a less skilled user as all the recoil is felt at once vs trying to keep a full auto gun on target, would allow for more complete practice without ammo at home which would be important if you want to be at least semi proficient with the gun without alerting authorities, would be easier to source ammo for as shotguns and shotgun ammunition are generally the least controlled in countries with strict gun laws, wouldn't have a problem with feeding and firing shitty reloads making it easy to feed the gun as long as you court source spent shells (there are even source on the internet for how to make your own 12 gauge and .410 shells), and ammunition would take up less space than a large single stack magazine allowing you to carry more on your person discreetly.
>>28590686
>Currently there is absolutely zero laws against making your own homemade firearms.
That is absolutely false, even in the US.
>>28594569
Back in ye old days people would smoke in the office. My great grandmother got lung cancer from that. Way fewer people smoke now and it's not allowed inside most buildings so it's less of an issue.
>>28594946
Subgun is 10 years even in gun happy US. Shotgun friendly most places, disassembled is pipe not gun parts.
>>28595280
You strap the barrels together and use one at a time. No double blast but each as accurate as the first, get a rhythm reloading staggered for a steady rof.
>>28592922
the point of the militia is to be able to compete with the military. as a member of the reserve militia (an able bodied man between 18-45) I feel like I should be allowed fully automatic weapons. perhaps not explosives and tanks, but any kind of a gun... why not?
>>28595668
I'd honestly prefer a homemade double barrel due to the higher rate of fire and a modified four winds/slamfire design I thought up with an extractor/ejector and additional shells mounted near the ejection port so the gun can be quickly reloaded by just tossing one into the ejection port and pulling the barrel chambers the shell for you if I want more sustained fire but not as fast (could be simplified by having the loading port on the bottom which would allow one to skip the ejector but would require one to make sure that they put the shell into the barrel). Probably wouldn't be firing both barrels at once though.
>>28595788
Remember you cant trust pipethread. Note the handle on that is a bolt securing the solid plug through the whole thing. None of that nail in a cap BS no epoxy just thick steel.
>>28590686
Or you could buy a mill and build better firearms quicker
>>28595232
Why would they be searching your garage? With no paper trail, serial numbers, or bullet stampings to lead to you, and no seller to say that it was you who bought it, there is no reason for them to look in your house at all. And there are many innocent reasons to own a 3d printer, especially with how cheap some of them are now.
>>28596007
Mills require you to not be a retard. 3D printers allow you to be a retard.
>>28595232
>fuckhuge 3D printer
Have you never seen a 3D printer?
There shouldn't be ANY gun laws.
>>28596599
>He wants to see niggers with full auto rifles
Please..
>>28596619
shall not be infringed applies to men and women of any race
>>28590686
Sauce to pattern for this gun.
>>28593804
No, it IS democratic now, and that's the main problem. Half the yahoos in the nation can decide on some retarded new policy, unshackled by constraints of reason, law, or liberty.
>>28596619
They have them. And they've had them for a long time. Are you fucking retarded?
>>28595788
>I'd honestly prefer a homemade double barrel due to the higher rate of fire and a modified four winds/slamfire design I thought up with an extractor/ejector and additional shells mounted near the ejection port so the gun can be quickly reloaded by just tossing one into the ejection port and pulling the barrel chambers the shell for you if I want more sustained fire but not as fast (could be simplified by having the loading port on the bottom which would allow one to skip the ejector but would require one to make sure that they put the shell into the barrel).
Holy run-on sentence.
>>28596703
>constraints of liberty
U wot m8
>>28590686
it's not really anything to be alarmed about.
it's always been pretty simple to make your own pipe gun in the garage
>>28596619
Yes. They use them to kill each other anyway.
>>28592852
>>28595545
>My great grandmother got lung cancer from that
prove it.
Speaking of homemade guns, anyone got any designs that could be made using a drillpress/lathe/mill combo? Preferably so simple a moron could make it?
>inb4 ATF
>>28597040
>>28597040
just look at a real gun and copy the important parts exactly (mainly the trigger group if you want semiauto), then put it together exactly the same.
unrifled barrel is easy, just need the right pipe
bolt and firing pin is simple enough to not need detailed plans
SHALL
>>28597145
NOT
>>28598367
CCCCCCCOMBO BREAKER
>>28590686
>why do you need___
I have the right to bear arms. The RIGHT. Not the ability to own contingent upon a proven need. Just like I can speak freely without getting approval for what I'm going to say, or go to the church I want to without proving I need saving. So go fuck yourself.
>>28597040
Look up the Luty SMG. It doesn't need a lathe or mill but they'll speed up the process.
>>28601127
The Luty SMG is shit for reasons listed here >>28594739
>>28595269
super secret 3d printer files for gun in pic. works with winrar too.
>>28601260
Name or design a better homemade gun using similar tools and materials you faggot.
>>28590733
have fun with your 100+ dead at your next school shooting
but ofc, a good guy with a machine gun will stop a bad guy with a machine gun
>>28601348
...basically any multi barrel shotgun, as listed in that post.
>>28601441
The most we've had is 44, and that was in 1927
89 people were killed in the Bataclan alone
>>28597130
and what if I want auto?
>>28590686
>I feel like the uncertainty of the aspect leads to a lot of unanswerable questions. At what point does the safety of others and the value of other lives weigh in more than your own individual freedoms and rights? You can still own firearms, produced with specifications and tested rigorously. Do you really "need" plastic ones?
The point of the 3D printed gun is not that we need more gun control, it's that gun control has become obsolete because you can violate it literally with the click of a button. Whether or not you think this is good, there is no way to stop it and that was the whole point of these projects.
Do you understand that some 3D printers can print more 3D printers?
>>28601441
>automatic fire is more deadly than controlled semiautomatic fire
This is what cowadooty kids actually believe
there's a reason only gunners use auto in combat
>>28590686
anybody have link to a torrent with a collection cad files?
>>28590686
Call me when they've perfected rifling and breech loading. What we have right now are basically 18th century weapons made of plastic.
>>28593075
Reported for abusing the old 4chan trojan horse joke. Which with modern spyware you can actually kill a computer.
Mods. I normally don't ask this. 2007 here asking for this guy to be dealt with. (the "joke" is a 2011 thing)
>>28601260
Luty himself explicitly wrote in his books that his designs are as basic as possible and can be greatly improved by simple additions and modifications.
The builder is expected to add what he feels is necessary to make a better gun, the designs in the books are just blueprints for working foundations.
>>28602627
nigga are kidding? It's a 7zip file not a fucking HTA file. It can execute, it can't do anything. You resave the file, rename to .7z, and then if you're really fuckin scared you right click -> 7-zip -> extract here.
>>28602633
>The builder is expected to add what he feels is necessary to make a better gun
The complaints still stand. Unless you completely redesign the gun to use a telescoping bolt (which would require a shit ton of changes) it's going to be very large when compared to a multi barrel shotgun and the most effective way to reduce the rate of fire to a reasonable amount so that an unexperienced user could get more than 2-3 bursts per magazine is to lengthen the bolt travel making the gun even larger. Also, unless you can source magazines from elsewhere and modify them to fit his design or design your own magwell then deal with potential feeding issues in a gun that you can't easily test to troubleshoot in most areas of the world, you're going to be stuck with single stack magazines holding 18 rounds or less unless you want something incredibly large and hard to carry. This isn't even mentioning all of the other advantages a multi barrel shotgun would have that would make them a more desirable weapon that are listed here >>28595280
>>28593045
YOU SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR AB -SO-LUTE SHIIIIT.
>>28602723
Different guy. I agree with most of the criticisms except for
>and the most effective way to reduce the rate of fire to a reasonable amount so that an unexperienced user could get more than 2-3 bursts per magazine is to lengthen the bolt travel making the gun even larger.
Increasing the bolt weight is just as easy. With the Luty's bolt design (with the collars attached to the central rod) you could attach one collar, then take a piece of pipe and place it on next and pour some lead in, then let it cool and attach the rear collar. That would add a ton of weight compared to the steel collars and it wouldn't be any longer.
>>28590686
Nice, until they explode on your hands when you need them the most. I heard lastest designs are more reliable, but you need more metal components for best results.
>>28603295
The latest designs are frigging awesome. Most use a bit of pipe for the barrel. and cylinders. The Imura is the coolest one so far IMO
>>28601555
full auto is nearly the same as semi auto, with the difference being one small easily made piece, and perhaps a few minor modifications to other parts depending on the design.
the only reason why people don't already make all their guns full auto at home is because it is illegal, not because it is very difficult.
>chamber made of plastic will totally not rupture at shooting the first cartridge
>>28603326
Looks interesting, didn't know about that one as I haven't seen the latest models.
>>28594520
Smokers are degenerate scum and they can all die in agony for what I care, but it's their decision. If you stay near a smoker and have to inhale their disgusting miasma, that's your bad decision-making at work.
Fuck smokers, fuck second-hand smokers, fuck you, fuck anyone who wants to ban any damn thing ever.
>>28590751
Springs and pins are not difficult to acquire
Lathes are neat
Drill presses are neat
CNC mills are cool
YOU do the meth
>>28603410
There's that one that looks like a nerf gun. Apparently the designer is going to make one in .38 spl as well.
http://www.jamesrpatrick.com/p/pm522-washbear-3d-printed-22lr-pistol.html?m=1
>>28603467
But.... meth is illegals 0_o
Someone's entirely handcrafted semi auto .25 project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv1d7rdlFdQ
>>28603520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8F_sy9dNsc
>>28593708
Everything we do in life has an impact on others, retard. I do not physically harm you with my actions. I have the freedom to make it.
>Currently there is absolutely zero laws against making your own homemade firearms.
Pretty sure there are fuckstick.
>>28603657
Yeah, you can't make any guns that are illegal. That's got more to do with the guns being illegal.
>>28590686
Also many designs are made to be 1-5 use guns, intended to be a gun to use in an instance of mugging etc.
GO DEFDIST!
Im a PhD candidate doing research on tracing 3d printed guns back to printers when im not building explosive detectors.
>>28603520
awesome
>>28590686
Why is that gun so cute?
>>28593083
Fag.
>>28603737
How's that even possible with an FDM printer?
>>28596248
That is all trivial. Even with a "paper trail"
> do you have a warrent to search? No then you obviously do not have enough evidence the make an arrest. Why are you here?
> Oh you do have a warrent well I sold that to some fat neckbeard in the walmart parking lot, prove I didnt.
The "paper trail" means nothing, 99% of murders are not the dramatic whodunit you see on tv.
The evidence that leads to a conviction does not revolve around the firearm. Firearm can help or be the icing on the cake. But is not always relevant or needed.
They can't just recover a bullet out of some drywall and say. "Hmm this came out of a Ruger P95" "... serial number 350-93592" quick call the nearest Dicks and see if they sold that.
Some form of evidence would have to lead them to you. Like witnesses, or phone records. You'd be surprised how often murderers are done in by their own running mouth.
Shit let's just fucking ignore how most murders arnt done with a firearm at all.
>>28590771
>Please OP say yes please, I don't want to believe that you believe this.
Also not news, this started years ago.
>>28598427
FUCK
>>28603326
We phaser now
>>28592922
And that's a problem becaauusssseeee.......?
>>28594575
Unfortuanately, the alconsuming education system kind od monopolizes the youths time these days, and parents these days cant into parenting.
Why would a person even think "Wow, 3d printing a gun is a great idea!" instead of going to some gunshow or buying from a private citizen or even fucking building a slambang 12gauge?
You don't even have a glimpse of what 3d printing a reliable part involves and that's without considering how expensive the whole thing would be.
OP, you are truly an enormous faggot. I have experience with machine tools, and have some nice, big surplus CNCs in my garage. I could make essentially any fucking firearm I choose, in FA, at a higher level of quality than anything commercially available (better materials, tighter tolerances), and the same is true for essentially any mechanically inclined person. This has been true for decades, and will only become more true as CNCs drop in price and get more user friendly. 3-D printers are just a way to show liberal techie faggots how pointless gun grabber laws are, because it's something they understand.
You arent allowed to manufacture your own machine gun fron scratch are you?
>>28604370
isn't it only illegal to have it assembled?
>>28604400
Its only illegal if you get caught.
>>28590686
I think it's great now it's easier than ever for people to arm themselves with neat assasian weapons so people can go after politican puppets, banker assholes, and pedophiles
>>28592996
>>At what point does the safety of others and the value of other lives weigh in more than your own individual freedoms and rights?
>Never. My rights are worth more than any amount of lives.
I agree, however, my answer to this retard question is the many out-weigh the few. People are more likely to get killed in a car crash, plane crash, or win money off the lottery than die from an asshole going on a shooting spree. If we want to talk about saving lives lets get people to drive better or revamp the FAA and get all these chemicals out of our food.
>>28604422
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Do any of these come with 3D printable suppressors?
>>28604684
How has no one asked this question yet?
>>28593667
I have a cryin kid coupon, buy one get one half off, was just wondering if I should go with the African howler, Asian sobbing or White whiner ?
>>28604950
Well the african if you need a child solider or slave. Asian if your "into" kids. White whiner if your planning a meal.
>>28603326
do you have any plans kind sir?
>>28605095
I'm free Friday :D
>>28602757
The problem with reducing the rate of fire by adding weight to the bolt is that you risk adding to much and making the gun not cycle reliably all of the time, which would be hard to troubleshoot in most areas of the world.
>>28603466
>>28603520
>>28603530
I'd be weary of any of those "Practical Scrap Metal" designs. Anyone have the picture of the bolt for his 9mm MAC-10 that weighs as much as a bolt for a semi auto .22 should weigh?
>>28605095
Here you have the nerf one. I don't think Imura files were ever released.
>>28602627
lol, they did delete this. You also should report the title image. Anyway I reported you for saying 'reported'.
>>28605178
thank you kind sir
>>28605115
realy :3 ? we're probably too far away from each other anyway
>>28605141
Just read the 2nd part and you'll have enough info for whatever cartridge you have in mind.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/0q4d42uf3qahq20
If you can't find tungsten weights as it mentions just weld a hunk of steel on top of the bolt and fully slot the upper.
>>28605141
>>28596619
They have more automatic weapons than whites because they ignore laws and hide shit.
>>28605380
Interesting, though I still wouldn't trust his designs if he can't get something as important as the bolt weight on a blowback gun right the first time around as it shows that he really has no idea what he's doing (some basic research would have been enough to get this right) and makes me wonder what other parts of the design ended up not being strong enough or not built correctly. Another problem I just noticed when looking at those plans is that he calls for 2mm thick steel for the lower receiver when my MPA MAC-11 clone uses 2.64mm thick steel for the back plate and the design also lacks a buffer which is necessary on the MAC-11 to keep the bolt from blowing out the back of the receiver with sustained use, which could happen even sooner with this design due to the receiver being only 3/4 the thickness as a normal MAC-11 receiver.
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>>28605643
Even in his first pdf he writes about adding additional weight.
Anyway, what happens if the bolt is too light?
>>28605721
>Even in his first pdf he writes about adding additional weight.
Yes, but he fails to specify how to add them or how much to add and makes it sound like doing so is optional.
>Anyway, what happens if the bolt is too light?
The bolt opens to quickly and the case will rupture causing all of the hot gases (that have a pressure of tens of thousands of pounds per square inch) to spray out, destroying the gun and possibly injuring the user. Basically it explodes.
>>28605643
The part 1 does mention weighting with tungsten / lead though it is not specific exact amounts. Its a basic concept mock up idea without even barrel or caliber specifics.
You can mod sten mags to .32 by crimping the lips. .380 can also run in them. Fairly common to use these as franken mags to play around with.
2mm is more than adaquate, especially with substantial welds. Most SMG end caps are threaded onto thin 1.5mm tube. Look at the Swedish K - fairly weak at that area.
>>28592852
>ad hominem attack
>calling things memes without giving much evidence as to why they're memes
at least put some effort into fighting libcucks
>>28605943
>2mm is more than adaquate
I wouldn't trust it given that MAC-11s are known for blowing the bolt out the back of the receiver if you try to run one without a buffer, this one has a weaker receiver and has no provision for using a buffer.
>Most SMG end caps are threaded onto thin 1.5mm tube
Is that tube mild steel or is it actually hardened like the receivers on other guns tend to be? As that makes a very big difference.
>>28590763
It's not? I'm pretty sure that's how ar lowers are done.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too little.
>>28606430
Depends a lot on what machine you're using, a commercial one will make it easier because a lot of people will share your settings and you get more precise support, but it's never "just load it up and press a button" tyrone-proof process.
>>28590686
I want more guns. I want no restrictions on those guns. I want to be able to go to the local gun store, get myself an AR-15 with a full-auto giggleswitch, an RPG with my choice of rockets, and a fucking artillery piece if I've got the cash. I want every white, black, brown, yellow, red, green, purple, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, Odinist, and Pastafarian man, woman, and in-between freak of nature to be able to do the same.
I want more freedom. And I'm sick and tired of the stupid, scared, self-righteous, pussy motherfuckers who think they're going to live forever if they keep giving more of it up to politicians no wiser than them and who don't really give a shit about their well-being.
>>28606000
>ad hominem attack
Do you not know the 'look mum, I'm being retarded' joke/meme? The meaning should be self explanatory.
Mass produced is incredibly vague, and 3d printing is suitable for it. Advanced weaponry is incredibly vague, and can mean anything from some scifi negative refraction lens gamma beam to cartridges.
>calling things memes without giving much evidence as to why they're memes
This is only an issue if you don't understand the technology in question, otherwise the implications are obvious.
3d printing is a meme because it produces a shit product unless you use a specialized machine and/or go mind blowingly slow (days). There are ways to produce better products like: uv cured resin, embedded/woven nylon or carbon fiber (think rebar), specialty plastics (majority are memes), etc. All the options I just stated are stupidly more expensive than your average 300-2200 enthusiast grade 3d printer (price =/= quality in 3d printers, price = popularity/brand (typically)), and are all virtually unheard of to the average faggot who only knows about 3d printing because some bloke made a hubcap and it was a slow news day.
The reason I said that 3d laser sintering (imagine welding together metal dust with a laser) isn't 3d printing is because it is what a 5 axis cnc mill is to a planar... Yes, you can make viable (enough) end products with 3d metal laser sintering, but it has all the characteristics and most of the flaws of 3d printing. It is still slow, (generally) inferior to subtractive manufacturing, and is pretty much only useful for rapid prototyping.
But most importantly, 3d printing is a meme because its you get something that is cheaper, faster to produce, and a viable end product by using an injection mold. (injection molding is stupid simple technology (basically a big hot glue gun), even africans can figure out how to use it).
>tl;dr it's a meme
>at least put some effort into fighting libcucks
I'm doing it right now.
>>28606960
>and 3d printing is suitable for it.
my b, I meant 'and 3d printing is not suitable for it.'
The first 3D printed gun laws will be ammunition control laws. Once the technology is good enough to create fully functioning 3D guns there will be an abuse of them. The over reaction will be ammunition control.
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Why bother to control plastic ammo? It's impossible to control... everything you would need would take less space than a breifcase.
>>28608245
I think he means that they won't be selling ammo freely anymore.
Controlling who buys ammo lets you control who has weapons.
For example, in my country you have to inform the police about how many rounds you have in your house, and you can only have a limited amount. To buy ammo you have to show your ID and weapons permit.
>>28608479
Nitrocellulose has existed for what, 200 years?
>>28608523
Where will you buy the brass?
I'm not saying that you can't work around it, but simply they'll make so that you're easily recognizable (someone buying a lot of brass will look suspicious) and they'll make a crime to make your own ammos, or to reload, or whatever their retarded brain can think of.
That's how not-freedom works.
>>28608564
injection molding. What are they gonig to do, ban the use of thermoplastics? I don't think so.
>>28608585
and you're put on a watchlist because you bought components for a press and a heater to mold your casings.
But since those are fairly common components, they would probably concentrate on controlling easily moldable plastics, and to avoid that you'll start using scrap plastic from things like toys or whatever, and then they'll start looking who buys large quantities of those and you'll be forced to dumpster dive to get your plastic to fucking mold cases.
At that point, you're better off pretending to be a handyman and buying tubes and somehow bending them a little to look like casings.
Point is, when it is this complicated to freely get something (which should be granted all around the world), the people trying to do it will be very few, and therefore easy to spot and control.
I wonder how something like this would turn out in America. I also hope I'll never find out.
>>28608737
>1984+28
>not owning a toy store for plastic laundering
>not owning 10 acres of corn for plastic production... I mean 'biodisel'...
>>28608784
Make that genetically modified corn containing thc, if the government asks what you did with it all, tell them you got really high.
