youre assigned with design a gun/business strategy that would bring colt back to the top contenders list in the firearms world. You can either invent a gun or guns, or bring something back. You also have to discuss how you would pitch the sale
>>28585815
>shirt sales guy looking for help
Do your own homework nigger
>>28585815
Fuck off, Colt
>>28585815
Break up the company, sell assets, sell IP, sell name to Canik. Polymer Caniks now become colt pistols.
>>28585815
I have no creativity, so Id come up with some ultra simple single stack 9mm like this, maybe offer it in aluminum or steel because im bored of plastic, and sell them for 350 bucks
Also do special edition repos of famous guns every few years
>>28585856
kek
>>28585815
Alright hear me out;
the Colt M416 5.56mm Carbine
utilizing Colt's revolutionary patent-pending
Piston
ENhanced
Individual-carbine
System
using the innovative new PENIS gas-system, a short-stroke piston operation totally removes the need to ever actually clean your rifle. Perfect for the modern day soldier, who has better things to do than maintain his weapon.
Literally start producing rifles and handguns again.
I mean holy shit, if they did that, they might not be in such a shit place
Bring back some of their more classic guns/handguns, bring back their revolver line like the Colt Python, anaconda and even their police detective guns and Mk trooper guns for a start.
>>28585935
(cont...)
We will market this system as a cheaper and more patriotic alternative to the HK416 and a better version of the M4.
To make this economical, we will use a melted-pot-metal receiver and make all internal parts out of polymer. The piston system will be str8 stolen from the LWRC system, but we are bigger than them so we can probably get away with it.
It's MSRP will start at a mere $1,999.99, and we will heavily market this to the military. And by market, I mean lobby the fuck out of congress.
>>28585991
Even their pocket pistols and snub noses where elegant.
>>28585815
An ASP out of
Shit does colt onlly make 1911's for pistols?
And bring back .38 Detective Specials
>>28586007
Maybe make a new handgun and revolver for back up set and market/lobby and/or bribe police too buy/carry them and sell them too the public as well(in a set of two) back up/partner brand.
>start making quality polymers and ARs
>introduce a "classics" line, where they reproduce the guns that got them started
>Colt Walker, Colt Army shit like that
>make Sam Colt proud
Is it really that hard?
Remake these bad boys for under $2K.
>>28586035
A Colt-brand Glock clone...
Genius.
We can call it the "Clock"
It can be our competitor against the Beretta, and we can do a package deal with the Colt M416 for the gubmint.
>>28586032
Vintage/retro isn't only coming back for music and film and camera, people love the shit out of old guns for their look and stay, Colt selling their old models other then the frontier like their doing would be a smart move(like S&W did and their making bank from it)
get the price point down under $600 on G.I. 1911's without lowering the quality. sell a butt-fuck ton to aging boomers and WWII loving hipsters.
>>28586063
>Colt brand Glock
>not calling it a Cock
>>28586056
It will never ever ever happen again.
Whats wrong with colt? They drowning in all that government money?
My 6940 has been flawless.
>>28586056
I've always had a hard time deciding if I like the Python more in nickeled/chrome or classic blued, most revolvers I think should be blued, like any model of Smith and Wesson, but that one I can never choose. Also saw this new in box Python just sell for almost 6k.
>>28586112
The lost their military contracts for M16s and M4s to FN. The only one I can think of that they still have is for the M45A1 special snowflake 1911 Murheen Recon and Raiders use.
>>28586112
They filed for bankruptcy in June(like that means anything nowadays)
>>28586141
Ahahaha $6k. Nice. I'll stick with S&W
>>28586165
That's all they have going for them, and their trickling civilian market
They need to start producing their rifles again in large quantities to compete with the new FN15s
>>28586056
Preorders and they would sellout across the country in less than a week.
Buy out RIA.
>>28586181
It was brand fucking new, never been fired outside of factory testing. Personally I would stick too S&W as well.
>>28586173
Like this anon said >>28586165, they only lost their military contracts and it was the military branch that filed. The part of Colt that sells to civilians is fine.
That said, what Colt should do is find a way to cut the costs on their firearms without dropping quality. Then bring back discontinued firearms. Maybe update them a bit so they are in more common calibers. I know a lot of people love the old revolvers. Should definitely make new ones, maybe reproductions of stuff like the SAA (best of my knowledge it isn't made anymore).
>>28586221
God almighty help you if that snake goes out of timing. They are only good to be safe queens nowadays.
>>28586231
They still make SAA, albeit att a very low volume and sometimes you need to custom order it.
>>28586231
Would love something like this being made again for midrange price like 300-500 and mini pistols like >>28585991
And everyone wants them too reintroduce those revolver line new old and classic.
>>28586173
Bankruptcy is meaningless, just reshuffling the deck from gov to civilian customers.
Their 1911 and AR's are nice, a little attention to consumer products is all that's needed.
>>28586238
It actually said the box with the gun in it was a safe queen in the description. The box looked like new as well.
>>28586254
Ah, okay. That must be why I didn't think they made them anymore.
>>28586280
Yeah, I really like the looks of some older semis colt had. Like the 1903 hammerless. I believe there is a manufacturer that still makes them but they are still expensive looking online.
>>28586311
It saddens me that colt killed that production line. It would be nice to be able to buy a gun made by skilled craftsmen and hand fitted and polished. There's just something about them
Has colt ever been cutting edge since the colt walker?
The m16 was sold to them by stoner. The 1911 was sold to them by browning. The Python is was considered too good to continue producing.
Seems colt just needs to man the fuck up and design another quality weapon rather than rely on military paychecks and nostalgia. Or just buy another design off fn or somebody.
Polymer frame center fire 9mm
>>28586406
they had a lot of pistol and revolver variety in the 20s to around the 50s and 60s, if you count longevity of use
>>28586406
They only just recently dropped the news that they would be offering a midlength AR. It's more sad than anything else.
>>28586425
That did NOT work out well last time.
>>28586630
Like watching a monkey fuck a football. Colt sucks at everything they do.
Colt needs to bring the snake guns and full length M16A1 clones back.
Absolutely bank on the ar15
>i'd start by making a new line the 6921, with 14.7 inch barrels instead of 16, with permanently attached a2s. If a customer orders from us directly, we can attach different muzzle device.
>I'll drop $150 off the msrp because I need to be competitive with everyone else on the market, specifically PSA, BCM, and spikes
(As for pistols, I'd do gi 1911s a bit better quality than RIA and sell them for $500)
>I would sell a free floated 18 inch SPR model at $1500. This would be in direct competition with BCM and Daniel Defense offerings
I'd sell upper receivers directly from the website, just like BCM, but offer less options in order to keep build costs down and to keep price competitive.
Give away free guns.
>>28586734
No 20" SP1?
Colt's main problem is "bringing back" -- they're the least innovative major gun company of the past 50 years.
>oh shit sales suck -- let's make another slightly-different 1911
Having a nogunz owner and an anti-gun CEO didn't help them, but if S&W, Ruger, and Remington can stay solvent Colt's failures are entirely the fault of the upper management and their complete lack of foresight, total ignorance of their customer base, and an absurd inability to read the market.
Fuck Colt.
LE6920/40 and AR15A4 r still good tho...
>Offer picrelated again, in .32 -and- .380. Make it actually affordable and not some bullshit limited run with a horrible finish
>inform my R&D that there have in fact been developments to the AR since the M4, and that they need to start realizing that before their asses get kicked to the curb
>look into entering the optics scene again, possibly teaming up with Japan to produce quality (but affordable) glass
>>28585815
>make new snek gunz
>make new GI model 1911s
>make new retro ARs
>limited run of old browning guns to test the waters
>.38 super 1911s
>make new detectives, police positives, and new service revolvers
>make a 9mm commander 1911
>make new woodsmans
>run ad campaign against remingshit for cranking out garbage
>>28586896
forgot to mention
>limited run of old browning guns to test the waters
make them sooper excloosive and have custom marks and some engravings and shit
worry about plain jane 1903s and
1908s after
>>28585815
With modern machining techniques, materials, and workflow, WHY THE FUCK does it still cost me ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS to buy a handgun you've been making for OVER A CENTURY?
Also, stop making Series 80 pistols. HOW FUCKING HARD DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT, COLT? 2 SECONDS ON GOOGLE COULD FIX YOUR RETARDED BUSINESS.
Every retard with an engineering degree can design a functional handgun -- and they do! And they call it the "not a glock i swear" and sell millions. Are your management such huge asshats that they make new pistol design impossible?
Smith & Wesson
Springfield Armory
Ruger
Beretta
Sig Sauer
Walther
Steyr
HK
Kahr
Taurus
Kel-Tec
Canik
FN
...and who the fuck knows who else can all seem to invent and improve pistols, especially polymer framed pistols. What the fuck have you done, Colt? The Colt 2000? A fucking flavor of Mustang with a polymer frame. Oh! Good fucking job trying a tiny fucking bit there, Colt! Let all other gun manufacturer's learn from Colt: Give something a half-assed try, don't listen to your customers, don't read the market, and then give up when shit fails.
Did I miss anything?
Oh yes -- lawyers! Make sure you consult lawyers on engineering designs (customers fucking love that). Make sure that avoiding unlikely, unreasonable litigation is more important than making a functional, usable firearm.
So let's recap:
1. Make tired old designs unnecessarily expensive to try to trick people into thinking they're "better".
2. Let lawyers make design decisions.
3. Never innovate -- customers desperately want the same old shit you can't seem to sell to them.
4. Don't pay attention to traditional gun media, blogs, YouTube, thousands upon thousands of forum posts, nor word-of-mouth that contradicts your business practices, and instead imagine support even though there's zero evidence anywhere despite this being the information age that anything you're doing is right.
FUCK YOU COLT. FUCK. YOU.
>>28586165
They don't even use them. Those guys mostly carry the Glock 19. Nobody wants a sidearm that weighs 3 times as much, has half the ammo capacity, and is less-reliable than the alternative (that is only 1/5th the cost).
>people think they'd bring back their classic guns exactly how they were
even if they wanted to, making full production steel pistols is very expensive, and given how everyone wants/makes polymer now, thats a lot to gamble on some classic pistols most people might not be interested in.
Worst of all if they did theres a better than not chance theyd "modernize them" and make them plastic with rails and laser mounts. Can you image a 1903 like that? Look at the newest 1911 they came out with
>>28587241
The new 1911 was for to sell to the military SF types. Not sure how they convinced Recon to buy it. I don't know much about the Raiders so I'll guess this anon >>28587225 has the right of it and Raiders are using glawks.
>>28585815
I'd make a budget AR, with a couple whizz bang features, and get it into the hands of every gun editor, jewtube reviewer, and display counter in the country. Make it the first name in ARs again. Send the right hookers to the right people and get them back in Wal-Mart. Then once the brand is back on the radar start shitting out expensive remakes of snake guns, and create a pocket 9mm.
>>28586796
Special purpose rifle, not SP1.
I wouldn't sell clones because its not popular right now. I know around here clones are well loved, but the rest of the market, the normies, they couldn't give fewer shits.
And spr rifles, based off the mk12, have 18 inch barrels.
>>28586817
See, I'd bank on my reputation, but cut my profits a little bit so hopefully people stop talking about "paying for the pony".
I'm not a materials engineer or a master gunsmith, so saying I'll be " innovative " somehow is silly. If I took over right now, all I could do is create competitive prices and hope someone in the lab comes up with something new.
I think ar10 is still am excellent market to buy into, try to standardize things, maybe try and compete with the sr25.
A few points for Colt....
1) Make lower-end 1911's. Doesn't have to be fancy, just has to work reliably.
2) Absolutely bank on the LE901's. Ship all of them with a standard 5.56 adapter. Sell 308 (and derivative) uppers directly and in a larger range of barrel lengths. Go from 13" with large pinned muzzle brake to 24" in medium profile. Sell the handguards as separate rails for popular 308 platforms as well as versions for AR-15's.
3) If you find money, buy Kel-Tec and work on improving their firearms by replacing polymers with aluminum. As much as we like SUB-2000's, RFB's, & SU-16's, we'd like them even more if all of them worked reliably. Expose them to the same QC as 6920 series.
4) Hop on the mid-length bandwagon for AR-15's and start mass-producing 20" A3 (with polymer handguard) & A4 (with FF quad-rail) style rifles for the mass market. Make match-grade iron sights and bundle them with everything.
5) Look back to your wild west roots. Make revolvers that are competitive in price and with a variety of iconic actions. While DA revolvers rule, SA still has its place. Or hell, start licensing or importing desirable overseas models like Mateba's Unica.
>>28587403
>standard AR-10
That would actually be fucking amazing. I don't know why the hell it isn't more standardized already.
>>28585815
Integral suppressed 300 blk, as quiet as I can make it
>>28586007
That is almost literally the only thing they have ever tried. I'm pretty sure that idea is someone's #2 or on some senior vice-president for marketing's desk, time now.
>>28586238
>if
You misspelled "when."
>>28586709
This.
(Assuming I bought colt up in this hypothetical)
>Move the fuck out of connecticut.
>Partner up with KAC after buying a good chunk of their stock
>Start producing sub 1200 mil spec AR's with mono/FF Keymod'd uppers, fancy KAC shit standard, use KAC partnership to go into un-treaded waters in KAC engineering.
>Make a 5.56 PDW
>Buy production liscence rights that KAC doesn't hold from Armalite, or just acquire them outright
>Start producing all of Stoner's other designs, let demand determine production - AR-18's and AR-16's are interchangable in this manner.
Retro AR-10's are a fucking given.
Stoner KAC LMG, Stoner 63, etc
>Bring back the fucking SNAKE's, at competitive pricing.
>Hire the austrian dude who did the Steyr M series and that UAE Caracal, have him design me a modular trigger pack plastic framed striker fired handgun with good ergo's.
>Make (or find and re-invent) non rimmed magnum cartridges in .357 to at least .41 that can be double stacked.
>Now enlarge above plastic pistol to utilize said magnum rounds, produce in limited quantities, let it generate it's own demand - also can do .45 and 10mm models
>Bring back the fucking delta elite limited production. Double stacked variant's too. Don't half ass it.
>Make pricing competitive
>Make a hunting rifle
><Be civ friendly again
>Do everything in power to take out the weaker big competitors - target remington like no fucking tommorow, buy the company that makes the XM2010 chassis stocks out from right under them, start poaching any talent they have left, divert antigun groups/rallies to Ilion, partner with some dirty turks or mossberg to use your production and make a team effort pump gun that will halt 870 sales, buy their stock en masse and fucking dump it into the water, get paid shills to poo poo their product line.
>branch out of the AR lines and do something fucking crazy, maybe take advantage of some expired patents and produce a few FAMAS and L85 (St Etienne and Enfield no more lol)
>>28588213
*meant un-treaded waters in AR engineering
>>28585815
Bring back the Survivor or something similar. Honestly I'd rather Ruger took a crack at the concept, but I'll take whatever I can get.
>>28588213
1911 in 9x23 is essentially the same as a .38 Super 1911.
AR 18 and Stoner 63 would be based as fuck. I would literally do gay porn to buy a Stoner 63 that accepted M249 linked belts.
>>28588432
>TFW .38 Supercomp
And you're an idjiot, 9x23mm has a spec of 55,000 fucking psi, it is ballistically nothing like .38 Super
Get the fuck out of Conn.
>>28586194
>they need to produce theur rifles like
No.
Colt needs to SELL their rifles.
polymer-frame 1911.
Seriously why the fuck not?
It's 2016 guys, c'mon.
>>28585815
I'd pair up with kel-tec and start making their designs only I would actually make them half way decent.
>>28589297
You know those are already a thing right?
In a perfect world/gun enthusiast's fantasy:
>bring discontinued double-action revolvers back into production and build them more durably so they don't need a servicing every 1000 rounds and price them at or under $1000
>bring discontinued Browning autos back into production (1903 in .32 and .380, 1908 in .25, Woodsman .22lr) and price them all in the $400-800 range
>have at least one single-action revolver in their regular catalog (not as a$1600+ limited run custom shop item)
>have a regular catalog item which is like the Series 70, but has a simpler rollmark (not the ugly billboard Series 70 rollmark)
>do all this while maintaining Colt's legendary attention to detail, with high polish bluing, case hardening and fire bluing where appropriate
>also, they need to polish the slides AFTER they stamp the rollmarks so they don't look so cratered
Best option for Colt:
>recruit the best talent in gun design of today to design the next revolutionary firearm, whether it's a rifle or handgun
>produce limited runs of pre-war style 1911's in greater volume, with a greater degree of finish and with more variety (not just the 1918 "black army" variant they keep making)
>update and expand their rifle and handgun lines with more options for competition, long range, hostile environments, etc. and keep the price competitive
>>28589439
>dilute your manufacturing efficiency by releasing a larger nunber of DIFFERENT guns that havent fixed any of the company's problems
Shut up. Just ahut the fuck up. "Release a different version of X" is never the correct answer.
It didnt work for Kimber and their 8 million versions of the 1911.
It didnt work for SIG when they did it withthe 226.
Have colt fix the fact that no one who isnt retarded and in love with the pony due to fuddlore buys their guns.
>>28589521
That's funny because it seems to work fantastically well for Ruger, as they keep releasing different functional variants and different calibers for existing guns and they keep making money. Or could it be that you have failed with your analogy because you're too stupid to realize that more factors are involved and the companies aren't directly comparable? My bet is on the latter.
There are corners of the market that Colt could reach with very minimal modifications to their rifles and pistols. Their AR 15's are all pretty much different variations on the 16" 5.56 carbine. Like I said, all they'd need to do to bring this gun up to the standards of the rest of the market is a few quick updates, and then they could start expanding into different calibers, for example, .300 Blackout, 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, etc. all generate considerable demand and Colt is not able to take advantage of this.
Another example is their 1911's. They have some beautiful blued and stainless pistols starting around $700, and then they have the cerakoted CQBP priced over $2000. What they do not have is a 1911 with less polish and a more durable and weather-proof finish, like a parkerized, cerakote, or melonite-type finish. They could even leave the polish level of the gun lower and price it in the same range as the blued or stainless Government models, but as long as it's not over twice the price, which is totally a non-starter.
>>28585991
Pythons aren't going to happen. I read an article a gunsmith wrote on why it won't happen and people should stop asking for it. It basically came down to
>CNC machines aren't that good yet
>All the guys who know how to actually fit and assemble them are dead, dying, or retired.
>A lot of the tools required to make them were hand built by Colt just for those guns and they've been destroyed since then.
It sucks, but Pythons will never come back.
>>28586709
An M16A1 clone or XM16E1 clone would be awesome. They're not hard to reproduce, but I'd like to have one where I don't have to put it together myself.
>>28585991
>>28589686
>Python
Possibly one of the most overrated firearms in existence? Just hunt down a Manurhin MR73 if you want an expensive snowflake revolver, at least they're actually worth what they sell for and don't have to be babied.
>>28587165
>lawyers
>design
Wait wut?
>>28589738
Colt had a couple of slam dunk guns a while back, they let company lawyers fuck with the design (for instance upping the trigger pull to almost double what it was originally) to avoid litigation. Ruined the guns and they never sold.
>>28589756
...WUT.
>>28589723
I didn't say they weren't overrated. I just said they aren't coming back. Colt was losing money on every one they sold, and it would cost an astronomical amount in time and money to bring them back.
People asking for Pythons to come back are one of two groups
>Fudds who believe Fuddlore and think it's the best gun ever, but don't want to pay the premium they demand now
>People who actually have shot and handled them and love them, but don't want to pay the premium they demand now.
>>28589771
Yeah, Colt seriously fucking deserves to go out of business for the stupid shit they pull day in and day out.
Let them go under and let someone that can run a business buy the company
*Immediately move most operations overseas. Manufacturing products in America means paying too much for labor and results in a product that has much lower QC compared to other products at the same price point.
*Focus on trying to capture/recapture the luxury/high-end firearms market with top shelf custom and semi-custom 1911s + snake wheelguns instead of trying to compete with the likes of Glock and Hi-Point. This branch of the company could potentially stay in the U.S. depending on the availability and competence of foreign expert gunsmiths.
*Win some kind of new military contract ASAP. This should be much easier after most manufacturing operations have been moved overseas, allowing for more competitive bids.
Meanwhile, at Colt HQ...
>>28589823
>Win some kind of new military contract ASAP. This should be much easier after most manufacturing operations have been moved overseas, allowing for more competitive bids.
That's illegal. It's federal law that weapons bought for the US gov have to be made in the US.
>>28589756
>for instance upping the trigger pull to almost double what it was originally
???
>>28589863
He's probably talking about the All-American 2000
>>28589863
The All-American 2000 is notorious for having a heavy as shit trigger pull, specifically advised by Colt's lawyers at the time due to some BS going on in the media at the time.
>>28589842
Wasn't aware of this. No wonder so many of our defense projects end up overbudget, behind schedule, or otherwise underperforming.
DESIGN THIS
>>28589881
>>28589880
Then there was the Double Eagle...
Remove grip panels...springs everywhere!
Look at it funny...oops broke a trigger component.
>>28589897
>>28589906
Final one
>>28589903
I tried to take apart a revolver today, a really shitty .22 LR Saturday Night Special from the 70s. The cylinder wouldn't index properly, but I seriously regret even trying, after much frustration I was able to get all the parts back together minus 1 tiny spring for the arm that still eludes me, IDK where I would source another one besides asking a gunsmith if he could either find something compatible or fabricate a replacement.
If you ask me the damn thing wasn't safe to fire to begin with, but the moral of the story is don't try to take apart really shitty old guns.
>reproduce Burgess shotgun
>advertise as super compact defense gun with no sbs stamp
>rustle gun grabber jimmies for all eternity
yes please
>>28585815
>>28585991
Improve the quality control of the company overall.
And yes bring back the Python / Anaconda / King Cobra revolvers for the consumer space.
For military use, develop a new gun similar to the Five-seveN but loaded hotter and using SOST projectiles.
