How strong is the Turkish military?
>>28567003
Pretty strong on paper, suffers from kebabisim however.
>>28567012
>kebabism
>>28567003
Easily in the top 10 most powerful militaries, would be higher if they could keep their soldiers from committing suicide
>>28567003
Poor roach, he turned into a turk.
>>28567003
Paper tiger. The days of Ataturk's Anatolian infantry are long gone.
>>28568130
Top 10? Surely you are trolling.
>>28567003
If you're being assraped by kurdish paramilitaries every waking day of your life, that doesn't mean your army's hot shit...
>>28567003
Better than the Russian Air Force that's for sure.
They have mandatory conscription and a general over-inflated opinion of their own military prestige (you can be fined and/or jailed for slandering the army in Turkey) due to narrow minded historical pride over the fall of Constantinople in 1453 and Gallipoli.
>>28568210
Even I could siege a big city with 120.000 soldiers ~70 cannons, with a garisson of 12.000 soldiers, mostly being civilians.
>Top 10? Surely you are trolling.
They are in top 10 for sure, maybe top 5.
>>28567003
Strong enough to emasculate Russia on the world stage, which triggers the ever loving fuck out of you :^)
>>28568295
>top 5
lol get the fuck out of here
>>28568320
What does this say?
>>28567003
Turkey's military is like Iran's military only westernized with western weaponry which hardly ever works correctly. So basically Iraq.
>>28568320
>Strong enough to emasculate Russia on the world stage, which triggers the ever loving fuck out of you :^)
>autist sucker punches out of nowhere then hides behind his mummy's skirt is now considered macho... in turk-shit-rey maybe but never everywhere else...
>>28572187
Go to sleep Ivan, its getting late
>>28572228
>puts turkey in Oven
>>28567012
Says who? Their towelheaded enemies?
>>28568142
> your relationship with the Sarranid Sultanate has gone from 0 to -25
>>28567003
> yeerks
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcnj9m886aA
>>28567003
All memes aside (even though you are not even really looking for a serious discussion) here's pretty much the summary:
- There is conscription in Turkey, so the size doesn't really matter. They do have some elite troops though, especially ones that are actively fighting in southeastern regions.
- Equipment is mostly surplus US and German equipment. But after the invasion of Cyprus and armament embargoes, there apparently have been a lot of developments in defense industry. They do have a lot of stuff they manufacture themselves.
- Land force is decent at best, surplus German Leopard 2's, Leopard 1's, some M60 Sabras. The IFVs they have are pretty decent as far as I know, and there are combat proven vehicles like Otokar Cobra in their inventory.
- Air force is above average, mainly F-16s licensed and produced in Turkey with Peace Onyx program. They do rank high in international competitions and NATO exercises. The fleet size is not that large, but I mean this is Turkey.
- Navy is below average. They don't have an actual naval doctrine at all, they're just using MEKOs and old submarines. There are some newer stuff, but not as many or as developed to be relevant.
In average, it's decent for its size, probably could take on with any major power in Europe. If invaded they would probably be able to defend themselves, Turkey is very similar to California, lots of mountains and hard to move around, and sparsely populated.
I guess you are asking because of the Russian relations, if they actually declare war on Turkey, I'm pretty sure Turkish air force would be grounded in days, but sea landing on Black Sea coast or transporting troops in eastern regions of Turkey would be a nightmare. So it would probably be like Afghanistan or Vietnam, the war would continue for a long time.
>>28568258
This is a meme.
Wikipedia historical revisionism at its finest.
It makes it worse that byzantine boos and anti-turkish westerners love to make their own history on wikipedia. Even worse that the Turks dont care about the english wikipedia article.
Soon revisionists will claim Constantinople was defended by 12 girls and a dog and the Turks attacked with MBTs and MLRS. And 2 Million infantry.
You heard it here first
>>28567012
Kebabism is different to arabism.
ill take that as a compliment.
Remember we have active low intensity combat for years and Cyprus and many Iraq incursions were well executed.
Pilots constantly "train" with greek collegues over the med.
Also remember Ottoman history.
>>28568155
This guy is halfway right.
The military is sadly not 100% muh ATATÜRK
anymore but on the bright side theres a lot of professionals now.
The military is still Atatürk minded tho.
Theyre just not "coup when you allow headscarves in uni" tier anymore
>>28576748
How about that Armenian genocide?
>>28576771
Good job? Ayyyy
>>28576748
>Kebabism is different to arabism.
shit is shit, be it light brown or dark brown, soft or hard, shit will always be shit. now fuck off turkroach.
>>28567003
Pretty damn strong. They have conscription (bad) but a very high level of discipline (good). Some would say discipline is TOO high, brutal even. The military remains a major force of secularism, not nearly so much as it used to be. So not quite so well trained as a volunteer force, but perfectly capable.
Equipment is very good, mostly western stuff. They're a NATO partner so they're used to training with top soldiers and with top equipment.
So overall I'd say they're a solid military power. Russia, for example, would be nuts to mess with them, and that's not even counting their NATO allies coming to their aid.
Basically, vs any neighbor except Russia they'd be an existential threat. They'd stomp any ARab power or Iran flat if they got into a ground war. I think the Israelis would consider them a deadly peril, too, due to numbers. OTOH, Israel is still their military ally.
Against Russia, Turkey has superior training, equipment, and personnel. Russia's advantages are numbers and nukes (even if they don't use nukes, their existence exerts power just by being there). It think a war would be terribly costly on both sides, but Turkey could probably win even without NATO intervention.
With NATO, of course, the problem reduces to the usual Russia-vs-NATO scenario, which basically Russia can't win.
>>28567003
2/10 he could have turned into a turkey, you missed a golden opportunity, f a m
>>28579711
Turk-roach is the 4chan reporting slur for Turkey.
I've never actually seen one, but I'd be surprised if one doesn't exist, does anyone have a chart of all the popular 4chan nationality slurs?
>>28567003
>Defensive Capabilities
Pretty strong and has one of the largest professional soldier/NCO/Officer numbers in the world which makes them pretty much invulnerable against any foreign aggressors except US and I think they can put a good fight against it until they get bombed ito stone age in six to twelve months. They have no conventional military rivals in the region which can even challange them let alone be a threat to them except Russia and even they can't imagine a war in which they can win a war of agression against Turkey
Their large (compared to their economy and inland sea disadvantage) navy also provides them with sufficent force to keep their national waters safe from any possible threats as they posess the largest and most professional navy in Eastern Mediterranean and Black Sea while having the second largest overall Navy in Mediterranean.
>Offensive Capabilities and Power Projection
We can observe from their invasion of Cyprus, land and airial incursions into Iraq, war games and military equipment that their military has the capability to lunch invasions against any of their neighbours. While this is true, they do not have the military capability to pose a threat against any country they do not share a land border with.
Overall, Turkish military would be considered one of the best militaries in the world and one of the best militaries in the world regarding the training recieved by their professional branch. As they have the largest professional military personal after US in the world.
345 generals and admirals, 39.511 officers, 96.189 NCO, 22.945 specialized gendarme, 60.358 specialist, 4.218 contracted specialist and private and in total 228.566 professional members of armed forces. I believe this makes us the second largest professional military in NATO and probably in top 5 in the world
I hope to make those ''they''s and ''their'' into ''we'' and ''us'' in two years time as I graduate.
>t. Turkish anon from military academy
>>28581584
>As they have the largest professional military personal after US in the world
Fuck, meant to say ''Largest professional military personal after US in NATO''
>>28576748
>Pilots constantly "train" with greek collegues over the med.
This doesn't do shit for our military pilot training levels.
What is important for our military pilots is the fact that we have one of the only, if not the only equivalent of American Red Flag training in world.
Anatolian Eagle is a biannual massive air exersive supported with ground and naval forces in 100plus military aircrafts including AEW&Cs, airial refueling, multiple frigates, destroyers (from US sixth fleet) and etc.
In this biannual exersize, allied forces train in hostile SAM and ground radar supression and general airal combat to fleet search and destroy missions and ground bombardment.
Contious biannual exersize is what gives TUAF it's true power, not some mock dog fights that stimulates nothing but nationalist egos in an already obsolete way of war.
>Academy soldier
Also sorry for shitty post, I really hate the fact that people site Aegean dog fights as training.
>>28576748
> The military is sadly not 100% muh ATATÜRK anymore but on the bright side theres a lot of professionals now. The military is still Atatürk minded tho.
Does the military (or at least officer corps) dislike Erdogan for the Ergenekon purge or are they cowed?
>>28584430
Yep but they won't try any coup from now on. Erdogan is a populist, conservative faggot but coups hurt countries more than populist conservative faggots.
>>28584610
Do you think you'll have a full-blown civil war in the Kurdish regions or will it just simmer for some time?
Do you think the government has any designs on Mosul or northern Syria?
>>28584707
>Do you think you'll have a full-blown civil war in the Kurdish regions
Hmmm..
if I have to be honest, some of the areas in Kurdish regions ARE experiencing full blown civil war. Vast majority does not but still, some do.
It is difficult to say, current stuation is the result of Erdogan's lenient policies regarding PKK and Kurdish population in general. In the past, PKK had never managed to operate in villages and towns let alone big cities but Erdogan's dream of having presidental system which forced her to ally AKP with Kurdish movement caused a ''ceasefire'' in which Kurdish elements and PKK were free to dominate the political enviroment in South East and had a sophisiticated urban presence.
The fighting before AKP was just PKK ambushes and Armed forces operations in mountains of Kurdistan. And PKK was destroyed as a fighting force between 99 and 2007 while now it is urban warfare, so yea, I think we are experiencing a civil war at minor levels.
Whether if it is going to continue or not is dependent on two things,
Does Erdogan has the political backbone to BTFO PKK into mountains and in doing so losing Kurds as an ally in Turkish politics for good?
Is PKK willing to destroy it's ''military'' presence in Turkey and compelely go civil under protection of AKP like they did before to ride Erdogan train.
Turkish army showed that as long as there was political backing of it's operations that allowed it to operate freely, they would keep PKK as a non entity in Turkish borders and cripple it's Iraqi influence between 97 and 2007 with much more inferior inventory. We only opareted second hand Cobras from US's 70s inventory and no UAV capabilities.
Now we produce our own MALE UAVs, UCAVs and under-license/improved A129s with twice as much as professionals in the army.
So yea, the answer is,
As long as Erdogan and/or PKK wants it, it will end and if they don't, it won't. It is more of a political game than a war.
>>28584707
>Do you think the government has any designs on Mosul or northern Syria?
No, obsuletely no.
People may think that Erdoshit is dreaming of an Ottoman Empire 2.0 or something but he is not.
Turkish policy after Iranian revolution was to act like we occupied a place in a totally different continent than our eastern neighbours. Iraq and Syria were dictatorships who mostly allied with Soviets and Iran which just had an Islamic revolution so, everything in East of Turkey was compeletly ignored.
Hell, our only ally in the region was Israel, 99% muslim country thought that newly arrieved Jews from Europe and America were better allies than their old Imperial subjects. That's how much established Turkish political system hated to be in this geographical place and isolated themselves from it.
But AKP had other plans, they wanted to change the fundementalist dictatorships in Middle East into partners who were albeit not secular but still democratic, hence Muslim Brotherhood. AKP might be many things but they are not ''islamic'' as /pol/acks claim, Erdocunt even advocated secularism in Cairo after Egyptian ''revolution''.
They wanted to create Muslim Brotherhood controlled Egypt, Syria with Qatar at the time, democratic but still fundumentalist states but it was crushed after US decided to back KSA and UAE in this struggle which resulted in Egyptian army taking back control of government.
They have no territorial plans regarding Middle East.
I actually want Kurds to get their indipendence so we can get rid of their welfare leeching, religious bigoted asses but dumb nationalism plugs this country. And Kurds seem like they actually got smarter as they want authonomy to leech of off Turkish investment and tax payer money rather than indipendence since they have thrice/four times the birth rate of Turks.
>t. very sleepy and a bit drunk Turkish Military Academey student
>>28581783
But, it is training.
Yes, it's not red flag. But these skirmishes happen quite a bit.
When I was visiting Turkey, I would see F-16s every other day flying west from Izmir.
>Turks penetrate Greek airspace (and vice versa)
>Greeks send up fighters
>dog fight ensues
>kills and losses
>fly back to base
>debrief and talk about how it could have gone better
Dude, as far as I'm concerned, if you learn from your errors and it makes you a better pilot, then that is training.
>>28579702
>Pretty damn strong
For kebabs.
>largest professional soldier/NCO/Officer
Nice meme. Just because you are getting payed for doing something doesn't mean you are good at it.
>Equipment is very good, mostly western stuff. They're a NATO partner so they're used to training with top soldiers and with top equipment.
again playing into the everything the west does is best meme. Most of your equipment are 30 years old- not that anybody in the region is any better, even Russia. Also i distinctly remember a certain caucasus country that got trained by the West but still got its shit kicked in by a certain Northern great power.
>>28585120
>I actually want Kurds to get their indipendence
Hope you don't get arrested for "terrorism" or treason for that comment Turk friend.
>>28576748
k needs flags bad
>>28568295
mehmet my son...
>>28572187
>warning for 5 minutes
>sucker punch
silly vatnik
>>28576748
>Remember Ottoman history
Get beat up by everyone?
Even by Malta?
>>28568177
Shooting down one of two unsuspecting 1960's bombers isn't exactly awe inspiring.
>>28579905
Turkroach is a vatnik slur for Turks, which appeared after Turkey humiliated Russia.
>>28593426
>warned for 5 minutes
>unsuspecting
>>28576748
>Also remember Ottoman history.
literally the only """"""""""""empire"""""""""" being beaten consistently by Russia.
Towards the end they got beaten by everyone.
>>28567003
It would be extremely painful.
They're a regional power for sure. While a lot of their tanks are fucking Pattons, when the Altay production kicks off, it'll get better.
Turkey have a great army ... only on paper
same as Egypt had before 6 day war
hell, Egyprt had even better army on paper than Turkey have now
no one can confirm it or disaprove it untill they get into real conflict
i would say Turkey will have their chance to prove themselves soon enough - war seasoned kurds from Syria and Iraq will provide some assistance to their bretheren on turkish soil and when shit will really hit the fan with kurd issue, then we'll see how mighty turkish army will handle it, since their government refuses to solve this issue peacefully and diplomatically
>>28594001
okay seriously what is stuffed into the barrel of that AK
>>28577554
hard ass
>>28576771
gg
>>28584430
Theres some that are erdoshills, and some old stlye ones.
>>28591559
I think instead of talking about weapons it would just be a dick measuring contest between countries.
Not really something that would improve the board besides just 'I TOLD YOU SO' posts.
>>28594808
I am more interested where he got that ultra high capacity clip and also why there are two cartridges attached to the barrel
>>28594001
>turkish army will handle it
Just watch some news. Every week they kill dozens of PKK fighters. Members of the kurdish party HDP literally begging the police/army to stop killing "civilians".
When do we kick out those pieces of shit out of NATO again ?
>>28567003
>>28568210
>mfw drop bears can get through car roofs now
>>28595667
When you stop sucking Putin's dick we can think about it.
>>28567003
Regionally will take over after Iran and Saudi Arabia lose too much from repeatedly stabbing each other in the ass. With good reasoned management could become quite the power, if it makes use the gifts it has and stays together.
>>28572567
I like you :^)
>>28570872
>>28568320
I still don't know what this says...
>>28591559
Why, so this place could turn into /int/ with guns?
Fuck off.
>>28594808
I think it's weed, or possibly hash.
>>28595620
>Members of the kurdish party HDP literally begging the police/army to stop killing "civilians".
>implying they don't kill civilians
The fucking Turks are helping out ISIS, killing Kurdish civvies wouldn't be that far fetched.
>>28594808
Kinda looks like nesquick cereal
