I suppose this is the best board for this...
How would someone create a building/structure to prevent effective and secure room clearing tactics as much as possible?
I think long hallways without cover are the usual nightmare scenario...
Also, I like bunkers.
>>28565012
murder-holes, and no dead ends are very good as well.
>>28565012
MC escher levels of design must be considered
after that vertical sliding doors, false doors, bricked off rooms, rooms hidden behind walls, secret hatches and passages everywhere, and a few30 foot deep ballpits help too
>>28565012
now fuck off
>>28565012
Long hallways, firing ports in hardened doors, every room has two entrances except closets. Of course some closets lead to secret doors.
Make it possible to fall back indefinitely because every room leads to more rooms and has bullet and blast resistant doors with murder holes. Also, multiple stairs and ladders between floors.
>>28565012
All internal doors are revolving doors.
That would really fuck room clearance. It would make a choke point and trickle feed the enemy into the room.
>>28565206
That's pretty fucking creative
First floor has no access to upper floors.
>>28565012
Room clearing is already nearly impossible.
it depends on many factors.
For home SWAT defense, i recommend fishing line at ankle-level to every door.
>>28565012
>long, narrow hallways
>no ground floor windows+fake windows/blinds for most of the home
>two front doors that need to be breached that lead to a brick wall
>narrow doors that taper at the arch
>floors that are designed to only take the weight of a ~200lb guy and nothing more, meaning breaching man Big Jim collapses the floor under him onto a bed of spikes.
>>28565235
>First floor has no access to upper floors.
Impractical
Entire floor in the house is built of conveyor belts that goes in diffrent directions
Skywalks covering every corridor and murderholes
mirror rooms and ball rooms
conveyor belts in every staircase
>>28565206
turn all doors into these...
//thread
>>28565012
Anyone got the screen shot of the other /k/omandos talking about this? It was fucking funny.
>>28565206
Fucking nailed it
Literally a single serving enemy dispenser
>>28565284
But seriously if you are going to fortify a building you want to make the stairwell unusable. Mine the first floor. Punch through the floor to move between floors. Entry to building made impossible without ladders.
>>28565012
Build a ceiling height chain link fenced area 5'x5' or so with a padlocked gate immediately inside of the doorway.
When they breach the main door they won't be expecting to have another one right there to deal with and it will give you enough time to shoot them or escape.
>>28565305
would be interested too. I only have the /karrier story
>>28565273
>>28565206
>>28565193
Congrats, instead of getting cleared and having a chance to surrender, you are blown to pieces by the nearest artillery/tank
>>28565273
>floors that are designed to only take the weight of a ~200lb guy and nothing more,
Just kill my whole family senpai
>>28565324
>the whole building is a front
>the upper floor is packed with semtex
>you're really in a bunker 200ft below ground with a 20ft thick reinforced concrete ceiling
your move mister lawaman
Found the caps. Incoming.
>>28565328
fatties deserve to die, especially if they are pigs.
>>28565330
Well played.
and that's all. I knew I had them.
>>28565331
>opens into a large room where the hallway is literally inside the room
I have no idea what the fuck he meant.
>>28565346
you walk down a long hallway, then at the end you find out that the hallway is just a U shaped room/corridor that leads to the center of a warehouse from the front door and you could have been shot from the side at any time.
>>28565346
>>28565442
holy shit anon
>>28565367
I imagined it as there being two catwalks on either side above the hallway so you could have people on the catwalks shooting into the hallway from both sides.
It would be cool to have a door which closes from the ceiling at the base of where the corridor comes into the room so you could trap whatever was in there.
Do you /k/ommandos have any reading or whatnot material I can get for room clearing and swat tactics?
>>28565448
Hmmm?
Don't forget the laser hallway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIvQpcmqBtw
>>28565324
Final step: secret exit that leads to a nearby building. If the enemy suddenly leaves the building then so do I
>>28565549
What if I just have fake traps everywhere. Stuff that's still visible, like a string going across a hallway or a laser point shining on a wall.
Bitch do you even CQC?
Doors that lead to blinding lights
Catwalks that are completely glass
Doors that just fall off the hinges towards the oper8tor
Doors that require two people to open
Doors across from doors with a trapdoor in the middle
Tons of tripwires that do nothing
An industrial strength magnet in the wall
Firemans rods everywhere
Have full sized mirrors with shadows painted on them
Have an entire room with 2 doors on every wall and lasers coming from the cracks
Open a door into a giant hole that falls onto a ball pit with spikes underneath
A giant sandpit trap with mirrors in the distance
A door that leads into a maze of glass but with occasional mirrors
A giant speaker on the roof that plays nasheed
A ton of speakers everywhere that constantly play sounds of Arabic talking
The occasional timed gunshot from another catwalk
A dark room with hallways painted on cardboard and a shotgun rigged behind it.
>>28565012
>tfw you'll never be on the top of that building when people in Germany are killing each other in the streets
>>28565680
>open a door
>have a speaker that screams Allahu Snackbar on max volume
A maze with mirrors everywhere then just release nigger-raised pitbulls.
>>28565232
>shoot glass off door
Not really.
>>28565253
This would actually make an outstanding cheap security system.
>fishing line attached to a dummy grenade placed in obvious sight
>when tripped it makes a loud distinct ticking noise
Cops would fall back immediately and rethink their strategy, burglars would shit their sagging pants and gtfo.
clothed mannequins full of tannerite in every other room.
with airsoft ar15s in their hands.
>>28565012
Check out the Winchester house. If I recall correctly, the guy built the house for his wife who was terrified of ghosts, and included a shit ton of random dead ends and stairways to nowhere to confuse them.
>>28565873
>Implying that it would be made of glass.
Solid steel revolving door with mirrors on the door panels and strobe lights in the ceiling for increased effectiveness.
>>28565920
If you can't see through it just make a hole in the ground at some point so everyone that goes through falls down and lands in the rankor pit.
you should put those hippy beads for doorways but have them hanging spaced a foot or so apart in every hallway.
also you could have doors that open to rooms with more doors, and then those doors lead to rooms with more doors, but the doors in the third room are all fake except for one, which leads to a giant ballpit.
>>28565301
Calm down Giovanni, this ain't rocket corner.
>>28565680
I can see it now
>/k/ommando installs massive magnets in walls
>doesn't reinforce walls
>operator operates operationally near a magnet
>magnet rips through mobile home quality drywall and turns into a 500 lb missile
>operator is kill
Every room is U or L shaped. Doors placed to allow maximum blind spot.
Doors open randomly towards or inwards. no visual distinction possible.
Door knobs on the wrong side (like hinge side)
Main entrance leading to second or even third floor only. Panic/ last ditch room on first floor with a one way only secret exit.
Entire house/building is built into medieval tier rampart, entrance leads to a big opened area overlooked by the main house.
You can go from terrain entrance to house entrance by a S ramp with 3 meter walls.
I really love the idea of ankle level fishing line. I am going to buy some, it can be used indoors or to protect a camping site outdoors.
What if a long hallway that funnels thinner and thinner until they can't fit through.
>>28566015
That's some willy wonka style shit m8.
>>28566054
Even worse have it gradually open up again and stand at the end of the hallway and spread your b-hole at them.
>>28565938
Each person that goes through has a different exit. Then after some number of rotations it locks.
>>28566015
>>28566538
>>28565898
Nice.
All stairs are exposed spiral staircases.
>>28565206
>>28565253
>>28565273
>>28565301
>>28565337
>>28565549
>>28565680
>YOUR MOVE MR. LAW MAN
Mannequins wearing UTG gear holding airshit guns with flashlights on them.
5hz IR strobe lights
Silhouettes of people done in black paint with reflective paint for eyes
Fake walls filled with tannerite
Rooms full of natural gas, just ready for a flashbang
Motion activated ticking speakers playing ticking sounds
Dummy grenades and arty shells with wires strapped to them
Hallways made of pine that collapse when someone walks through them
>>28565012
I welcome you to SOCrealistic architecture where blocks are designed so that they are easy to defend against the western imperialists!
>>28565339
Thanks, this stuff is hilarious
>>28565339
>a room with a gazebo
/tg/ pls
>>28570115
I'm curious, while this may have made it harder for ground forces to navigate, wouldnt it have been an easier air target?
>>28566538
>>28566543
So this is what happened with spurdo.
>>28565206
>>28565232
>oh no a revolving door!
>shoot out glass/blow whole thing out with breaching charge/breach wall right fucking next to it.
Honestly the best ones are kill cages inside doors.
>have inward-opening door
>inside is a small area of floor-to-ceiling chain link with a locked gate at one side
Guys breach door, rapidly pile in to a small see/shoot-through pen, get mowed down from cover.
>>28565337
>that torso flying past frame
a 20 foot tall roof with a long ass hallway that has slanted defilades ranging from 2 feet tall all the way to 18 feet tall. so if you make it past about 20 defilades youve got to crawl over the last one where there is a door right next to the peak where youll get shot in the side of the head.
>>28565901
Breddy close.
Bitch was terrified of HIS ghost and built it after he died to protect herself from his ghost.
Something like 11 different construction crews lost someone working on that house because she'd also booby trap parts of it and forget where they were.
And then she proceeded to not live there. The bitch.
>>28565305
>>28565315
This one?
I worked at a place that had an internal man trap. Key card access to a door led to a small room with rubber placements for your feet. The door would close, and then the the next door would open. We tried to defeat it by going in two at a time, with one person stepping on the other's toes. It didn't work. In that instance, a little longer wait resulted in the outer door opening again.
>>28565901
It was not to confuse ghosts.
His wife belived that if they ever stoped construction on the home she or both them would die (don't remember which).
Some psychic put the mind fuck on her hard
http://youtu.be/2NPt3HDPSCE
This is the best way to design a nightmare house for clearing.
>>28565337
Sauce
>>28571260
It was to protect her from the ghosts of victims who died from Winchester firearms
ladders. you cant assault up or down a ladder effectively.
also I had a family friend who was a point man on the local sheriffs swat team who basically said anytime they encountered any kind of nightmare shit like anons are describing they would just tear gas the shit out of the room and wait the person inside out.
>>28571888
Ah yes, tear gas. Illegal for our military to use against other countries, legal for police to use against its own citizens.
More proof our lives aren't worth dirt to the establishment.
More proof that American soldiers are more humane to our enemies than police are to citizens.
I always had a creative idea for a panic room
>long hallway half a shoulder's width and 20 foot long. 1 foot tall steel/concrete barriers carry past the hallway like a trench to prevent thrown explosives and flash bangs from harming you and a gas mask to keep safe from chemical weapons
>room at the end has a camera parallel to the hallway with a monitor in the panic room
>A hole is right under the camera: about 4 foot off the ground
>When they come for you, wait for them to get 2 feet from the room, then hit the switch
>hole in wall was an opening to an anti-tank rifle with tungsten rounds hooked up to a remote mechanism
>Best results come with 5 or 6 mooks lined up in the hall
>Dead bodies now block the opposition with fear and physical obstruction
>Underground escape route once opposition has been killed or gives up
Rate my death trap
Flak Towers would be fucking hellish to clear with some of these designs applied.
Also, am I the only one who wants to live In one of these fuckers?
>>28571888
I'm cool with that, I've got an mcu2 with plenty of filters. Just grab the gas grenade and slingshot that shit outside. They most likely won't be wearing masks.
>>28571984
A flamethrower might be a better idea in such small spaces.
>>28571888
OK so we're definitely going to need escape routes. The building has to look normal on the outside so that they don't realize that it's a nightmare house until after they're already in it
>>28565012
Curved hallways for lack of cover.
Ball pits.
Having hallways open into two doorways on both sides at the same time.
Similarly, + or T shaped junctions of hallways.
Spiral staircases.
All rooms have doors placed in the center of the wall, so that there are corners on both sides of the door when one enters.
A total lack of right angles in hallways, rooms, and stairwells. Bonus points of having inconsistent angles that don't add up to a nice shape.
Constant elevation changes within the same floor, to cut off visibility.
Multiple staggered floors.
>>28565206
Fun Fact:
This is why having only a revolving door as an entrance to any building such as a hotel is illegal.
Makes escaping a fire impossible. All revolving doors have to have standard doors next to them.
>>28566538
>>28566543
That manga gave me nightmares
What if you replaced all stairwells with elevators
>>28572251
Also what if you had about 1000 or so small dogs and kittens just wandering around so they couldn't step without consciously thinking about where they place their feet. Also if one yapped at them right when they opened a door they might jump and shoot it or something.
>>28572280
All while inside a giant ass Victorian mansion with courtyards and balconies and some symphony playing in the background.
>>28572296
>walk in
>living room is just a giant tea party with a series of creepy dolls
>endless harpsichord music
>>28572280
well if you like the puppies hope the ATF isn't raiding you
>>28565330
Aaaand now your buried alive. Mmmhm
>>28572280
>1000 small dogs
>implying they won't have an absolute field day with it
What about having a bunch of "PULL" signs on doors that are meant to be pushed?
>>28571979
Tear gas ain't illegal for the military to use. They just don't use it.
Why bother using something that the bad guy will live through?
>>28565332
What is furniture.
>>28572530
Yes, it is. It's chemical warfare.
There's a treaty. It'll even illegal for our military to use pepper spray! That's also chemical warfare!
Our enemies have treaties to protect them from our chemical weapons. Our civilians do not.
Is fucked up!
>>28572590
Then you go right ahead and explain that to every US serviceman who has ever gone through NBC training
There is a difference between CS or tear gas and fuckin VX
>>28566538
What did he do?
>>28572590
No it isn't.
>>28572715
Just read it. It's short but definitely worth it.
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/ZNSaq
>>28572590
Thank god. For a while I had myself convinced I went through a gas chamber filled with CS.
Glad that was just a hallucination.
>>28565012
Think 2,000 pound JDAM and do something else with you time anon. If they want to fuck your shit up they will fuck your shit up.
>>28565332
apparently tall people deserve to die also
>>28572628
That training is forbidden. It breaks an international treaty America signed. That training breaks every single obligation in article 1 alone. I haven't even bothered reading the other articles.
>>28572765
Yes, it is. Article I.5 of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Here, educate yourselves.
https://www.opcw.org/chemical-weapons-convention/articles/
It's absolutely illegal.
>>28571134
>>28565012
wait for them at the point of entry with a bucket full of gas or kerosene. apply liquid liberally. human instinct will do the rest.
have one of these at the end of every hallway
>>28571979
>>More proof that American soldiers are more humane to our enemies than police are to citizens.
Because shooting someone is more human than pepper spray or tear gas? That's fucking retarded, tear gas without resorting to force that could injure or kill people.
>>28573483
ok I fucked that post up pretty hard but you get the picture
>>28565680
good points but they always gather intel first. your fortification still has to look like a house.
>>28566538
>>28566543
>>28573483
>>28573511
I'm just being a dick. I'll admit it.
I got the fucking library thrown at me over two joints, but here we are with our entire government and military breaking international law and the justice system doesn't want to let me have firearms rights?
FUCK THAT SHIT.
>>28571888
good to know.
>>28572280
imagine them slipping on dog shit.
>>28573345
Maybe you should be bothered to read it. That way, you wouldn't look like an ass when you're proven wrong with data pulled from your own source.
Article 2 clearly defines what a chemical weapon is, and what a riot control agent is.
Article 1 only refers to chemical weapons, except for the last line which states that riot control agents cannot be used as a method of warfare.
Training is not warfare. Just as military policing and law enforcement is not warfare, which is why many units use OC spray as a means of less lethal force.
>>28571997
Neat but all these cool old military buildings must be a nightmare to maintain. I mean the heating and cooling alone would be hellish.
>>28565012
>hallways that rotate and covered in Anti-Traction Material
>pop up targets at ends of hallways with footsteps and gun cocking sounds before popping
>paintball guns hidden behind paper thin walls on motion trackers
>motorized doors that swing open and closed at random
>trip wires that drop firecrackers behind intruders
>pitch black hallways and rooms flooded with IR light
>rooms with 2 way mirrors for walls with armed mannequins backlit behind them
>wire at ankle height when tripped drop stink bombs
>rooms with floors that give way to waist deep mud
>doors that open to reveal hidden exterior doors
>loudspeakers with microphones that pickup and amplify intruders sounds
>heavy steel double doors that only allow one at a time
>large rooms with fake second floor interior balcony with cracked open doors and movement sounds behind them
>tight hallways with steel walls that close and cut off parts of the group and redirect them back to front door
>mannequins on springs that jump out at intruders
>>28565012
Place one way mirrors in inconspicuous spots with a hole behind it you could shoot through. Such as in a bedroom or bathroom. Fake tripwires, long hallways, doors going to nowhere. Basically room clearing is already hell. Anything you do would pretty much make it worse.
>>28573972
IT'S EVEN ON THE WIKIPEDIA ENTRY FOR CS GAS.
"Use of CS in war is prohibited under the terms of the Chemical Weapons Convention"
The articles also explicitly say it's illegal to use chemical warfare against ANYONE. That would include training people by deliberately exposing them to CS. People have DIED during training from those exposures, dude. It's illegal as fuck and against treaty.
The Wikipedia article for pepper spray ALSO says it's illegal under the Chemical Weapons Convention.
IT'S ILLEGAL, IT BREAKS INTERNATIONAL TREATY.
Yes, I understand pepper spray is better than the alternative and I understand the importance of training troops, but it doesn't change the fact that it's FORBIDDEN.
It's illegal for the soldiers to be given CS gas to train with, so it's probably illegal for them to train with it!
Read it again. Use some Google Fu. I suck at research but it's obvious that it's breaking treaty.
>>28571888
> they would just tear gas the shit out of the room and wait the person inside out.
Doesn't always work, even if the guy is without a mask you could just endure it with enough will. Speaking from personal experience here. We filled a house with tear gas for an hour or two (didn't really keep track of the time) But the guy wouldn't come out. Only came out after we shot a LAW at the bedroom outside wall.
>>28574079
>barbie girl played at high volumes making verbal/radio communications next to impossible
>rooms filled with laughing gas
>multiple rooms filled with pissed off geese on various drugs
>hallways with sounds of another entry team giving commands to someone
>rooms filled with various animal in lingerie
>picture frames with families of entry teams in them
>dark rooms with strobe lights
>rooms with rope in grid pattern at knee level
>hallway with a floor that gives way to a slide to a sealed off room
>hallways and rooms heated to 120ºF
>hallways and rooms cooled to -20ºF
>randomly placed animatronic clowns with meat cleavers
You know all the ballpits and flacid dragon dildos hanging from the ceiling are fine and dandy, but the real challenge would be to have something you could live in comfortably, and inconspicuous enough that you could have family visiting.
I'm thinking about a buletproof, reinforced fake ceiling. Like they do in the movies with air ducts, but actually viable and designed so you could squeeze in there and either wait for the entry team to assume you fled, or crawl around and shoot at them through strategically positioned hidden holes.
Install a well waxed wooden floor in there so you can zip around on your belly.
Stash pistols and gasmasks at various locations.
What the fuck if I had such a place I'd spend time in there just for the hell of it, sounds comfy.
>>28571979
Instead of using tear gas they blow the whole building up you retard
>>28574481
>>rooms filled with various animal in lingerie
>>28572366
> Building an underground bunker but only having one entrance.
>>28565337
>obrez_home_defense.gif
>>28573345
>that training is forbidden.
Then why and how to they do it?
>>28574733
>implying we follow the treaties we sign and enforce
Didn't we go on a binge slamming Saddam because we thought he had chemical weapons even though he bought sarin gas from us Americans?
Murica.
Where your logic means nothing.
>>28574079
so, a completely unliveable building. Got it.
>>28574345
Dude, the OPCW is the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. They are the reason for the treaty. There is no other internet source more reliable on this matter than the OPCW.
It's like physically reading the Declaration of Independence, but trusting a summary of it from Wikipedia as the basis of a paper.
You also missed the fact that TRAINING IS NOT WAR, AND NEITHER ARE MILITARY LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES.
It specifies that you cannot use CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
CS gas and OC spray are clearly listed under Article 2 as RIOT CONTROL AGENTS, which are not located on any of the classification schedules for chemical weapons, because they aren't chemical weapons.
It also does not state that riot control agents must be destroyed and cannot be possessed, only that they must be accounted for and reported to the OPCW.
If you're going to disagree, at least cite the article that you believe refutes my statements, instead of telling me to do more of my own research, when yours is clearly lacking.
YOU should read the articles again. Don't trust Wikipedia, where anyone and their brother can go in and change it. There's a reason why teachers and professors don't want people using Wikipedia as sources: It's so often wrong, because the people who write the articles are ill informed, and they aren't challenged on the quality of their information until someone who actually knows what they're talking about comes along and calls them out on it.
>>28565301
>Conveyer belt.
Make one of the hallways a dead end hallway, but so that way when you enter it in a rush you don't notice it. After that, replace the floor and all the ceilings with stuff that's like sandpaper, but something that's really tough. After 2 people try entering fake coridor, they either are running on a non-stop treadmill, or fall over and are slowly killed. The second person then has the ability to rest on the body on his fallen comrade. Then you let him free.
Bonus points for live streaming it.
>>28574840
You've got a good point.
But if the constitution can be changed, laws can be changed, anything can be changed just like Wikipedia....
And what you think is true today can be wrong tomorrow.
Law is bullshit.
>>28574919
Oh, I completely agree on that aspect. They are subject to the whim of those who generally give fuckall about anyone other than themselves, except if it suits their needs (YAY ELECTIONS).
multiple watertight rooms that require a complex system of knobs and pulleys to open
the team gets pissed off, then gets a room that is filled with syrup
>>28574979
I read that as "weight rooms" and was picturing aggravated, roided out operators working out their anger mid-raid on a bench press.
>>28565339
Someone should make a huge GMod map with all this shit.
>>28573345
>That training is forbidden
but that's wrong you fucking retard
>>28575247
I guess it depends on interpretation.
If it's illegal to use on our enemies, wouldn't be illegal to train people to use it?
>they are training people to defend against it
Depends on interpretation. You can't train people to defend against it without simultaneously training people to use it... otherwise the training would be impossible.
>>28565324
Bunker buster desu
>>28565012
Brutalism gives me boners.
Fill the building with carbon monoxide. Escape out the back or through your tunnel and hit the gas switch on the way out.
>>28565176
beautiful.
bismuth.jpg
>>28573977
keep firing your 20mm, 88mm and 128mm anti aircraft guns at everything that moves and your flak tower will be nice and cozy.
>>28571184
See pic and respond literally.
Obviously revolving door will not be made of glass or similar material. Solid construction is needed.
Also issues of ingress and egress don't matter with the sallyport system.
>>28572098
well I learned something today
>>28565301
t. NES game villain
>>28576750
>Clowns jumping out to scare the Squat team
Genius
>>28571997
I want one. I want the seafort that's just off the coast near my home. Yes heating would suck but to be honest you wouldn't hear the whole place. Just the living areas. Besides. Imagine firing fireworks off the roof.
>>28572306
A baroque nightmare
>>28565337
GLOCK
>>28576908
More like Zelda LTTP dungeon.
>>28576924
Imagine all the tetanus shots.
>>28571674
This.
I'm from San Jose.
>>28574079
Problem with that is that if the speaker and microphones are too close then you'll just get an endless feedback loop and blow the speakers. However you could have a thin carpet line the hallway. Under this you could place dozens of contact microphones. They only pick up vibrations through solid objects so you could use that to pickup the SWAT teams footsteps, amplify that without risk of feedback from speakers. Or use the sound impulses to trigger other sounds when the microphones are stood on. It works. I've tried it
>>28576987
I know. Though it's either privately owned as a home or hotel now. Would be an awesome house
>>28577080
It would literally be an adventure in tetanus.
Haver the entire interior constructed like these things with ball pit traps everywhere.
>>28577093
Would be worth it. Also there's two. Seems one is now a hotel.
>>28577093
Worth it. There's 2. Ones a hotel
>>28577131
No more jehovas witnesses
Front door made of Gerber Dime vacuum formed packaging.
Narrow hallways lined with thousands of pre lubed reciprocating dicks attached to carbon steel rods driven by three phase hardwired fuck machines that shoot my used cum that I stockpile in 2-liter bottles.
As you travel further down the hall the dicks begin to get larger and larger, more and more have poop on them.
Age of Aquarius music blaring in an endless loop over flea market stereo.
Every room at the end of hallways is a DMV packed shoulder to shoulder, standing room only with coughing asians.
>>28571184
Here ya go.
Could you not just have a house designed like the interior of a submarine?
>>28578011
Nah, I prefer thick blastdoors. Explosive entry? Good luck. Reinforced concrete is cheap and everything big enough to make a dent in it requires either time to set up or is bigger then the access tunnel. Also you get that fancy evil lair feeling.
>>28573345
Lucky for us willie pete and nape isn't a chemical weapon.
>>28565273
I hope you don't need to move your TV anytime soon
>>28565012
You really cant, stairs are the scariest and it's still done well if you train well on it
