Should've been a pilot edition
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Resources:
>Armyranger.con
For Ranger info, obviously.
>Shadowspear.com
All around SOF website. Great info and run by former/active members of every SOF unit. Mentor program. Also has forums for international SOF.
>Professionalsoldiers.com
For all Army SF info.
>http://www.corpsman.com
For Navy Corpsman info.
>http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?115180-MARSOC-Force-Recon
This is an all-inclusive thread for MARSOC/Force Recon stuff. Good site for Marines info too.
>http://www.uscg.org
For Coast Guard info. Good site, lots of vets able to answer questions.
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>>28560341
>bitch about recruiters
Did you seriously take the time to delete Air Force from that line? That was the funniest part
>>28560393
thanks for the (you) in my general
Anyone have experience about life on a boat?
>>28560732
also interested
someone recommended pic related. It's amazing and really breaks down its subject matter in a practical, detailed way. Gives a no bs idea of what it's like.
However it only covers BUD/S. Anything like this for actual SEAL deployment/career stuff? Warrior Elite?
>>28560963
Warrior Elite is pretty good. So is the previous book on BUD/s he did.
Not a ton of "technical" info, but a very cool "fly on the wall" view of what goes on and some decent insight into characters and the people who are in that world.
In fact, all of Couch's books are like that. A little dull in places, but you get a very clear documentary like picture of what goes on.
>>28560963
There's a saying that's basically universal among SOF types:
>Selection never ends
Getting in is literally the easiest part of the job. You're in? OK, develop some useful skills. You better be elite in those too? Got skills? Great. Get more skills. Done training? Really? Thinking about retirement or something? No? Get more skills!
If you're not increasing your value to your team each day, all you've got is skills that are degrading from lack of use and increasing age.
I'm about to graduate from college with a bachelors in EE in May and I realized that I hate engineering work. I also want to get away from my retarded family's problems. I have no idea what the military could offer in the way of electronics related jobs or whether I should even consider them.
>>28561059
>I'm about to graduate from college with a bachelors in EE in May and I realized that I hate engineering work.
Lol, that was literally me about ten years ago. My Junior year I realized I hated chemical engineering, but I was too far along to switch without having to spend another year.
I graduated and enlisted in the Marines into the Field Artillery branch. (Literally nothing that could help me in civilian life.) They made me a Fire Support Man.
Best decision I ever made.
Don't worry about applying your education. You'll use your academic experience and intellect in other places and you'll get ahead organically.
>>28561122
I think I just realized I prefer shooting guns to inhaling my own farts like everyone else does at this school. I really should have done ROTC at my school, but I don't even have an idea of which branch I would want either.
>no USAF SF info links
WHY?
Also: >>28552047
>imblying 1a9 doesn't do the Loadmasters jobs, just with guns and ammo instead of MREs
>>28561022
Yeah that's a major part of my attraction/interest.
>>28561002
Thanks man.
>>28561059
Dude, that is almost literally me. Spent four and a half years getting a BS in Microbiology, over a year without work and only a few interviews. Thought long and hard about it and decided to enlist over officer (big one being I want the actual job skills and not the management skills, plus I can always commission later since I did get the degree) and am now shipping out in April.
Anyway doing my research into what jobs I wanted I did see electrician like jobs in pretty much every branch that I considered for awhile. Find a good recruiter from whatever branch you're looking at and who's willing to wait for one of them to drop. Or if you're sick of anything like that, well, take a good long look at what you want to do and see what the military has that let's you go after it.
>>28560341
I still wanna be a pilote but for now I have the best seat in the house.
What are military intel jobs like? I'm like
>>28561059
but with an econometrics degree. I started out looking at SF stuff because civvie life just isn't for me, but i keep hearing little mentions of intel.
I'm hard working and want to go to cool-guy school, but even though i'm fit, I'm worried my familie's tendency toward fragility could be a liability in SF training. Being part of a team like
>>28561022
mentioned where it's all skillz all the time and everyone pulls their weight sounds awesome though. Maybe Intel has a middle ground?
>>28561649
i considered it but fuck i'd be 30 when i get out
a 10 year commitment is half my fucking life
is that what i want to do? i dunno, i suppose i can laterally transfer once im in
>>28561731
In the US army, it's a 6 year commitment.
>>28561747
navy wants 8 but that timer starts once you get your wings no? which is like 2 years after commissioning. so its like 10 years.
maybe i could try NFO but still.
>>28561813
The timer starts when you swear in and ship off to training.
>>28561729
There's high-speed opportunities in intel, but realize that even if you're attached to coolguys it is mostly desk work.
If you hate your intel job you'll never be good enough at it to get the cool opportunities, so make sure it is something you can stand doing.
>>28561866
I've heard that most people do end up hating it.
>>28561266
I made the sticky, and added specialtactics to it but apparently it's down.
If you can find another site I'll add it next general
>>28561731
>a 10 year commitment is half my fucking life
No it isn't you dingus.
And if you're doing what you love, it shouldn't matter how long the time is. And if you aren't doing something that you love for 10 years why the fuck are you doing it?
>>28561895
but im 20 now 20/2 is 10 and thats half
yeah thats probably why i chose not to do that
planes are cool though
>>28561838
>his service commitment begins on the day the naval aviator is winged.[10]
Student naval aviators incur an eight-year active duty service commitment that begins after they complete flight training.
>>28561895
Also this.
>>28561944
I stand corrected.
>>28561944
>but im 20 now 20/2 is 10 and thats half
I see what you mean now.
At 30 years old you still have probably 60 years to live. If you really want to be a pilot I don't see a reason why you shouldn't do that, because you can be a pilot for a long ass time, getting payed some damn good money too (six digits), and retire fairly comfortably.
Then you could probably do whatever the fuck you want to afterwards if you've got connections. After a decade or two you should probably have some good connections.
>>28561885
No moreso than any other military job. Intel can be really cool if you have the right mindset for it. It is also a field that allows even junior service members to have a very high level of impact. The biggest cause of attrition in intel is not that people hate their jobs, but that they realize they can do their jobs full-time for twice the wages if they just go become civilians.
>>28562000
>this guy wears anal beads during flight
>>28562042
>Handle for the inflatable lifepreserver
whatever dude
>>28561866
>high speed opportunities
Where do I look to learn about these and what I need? I know it's a longshot, but I might as well look.
I just want to be in a dustoff unit.
How do I ensure this?
>>28562004
maybe i should lat transfer to NFO once im in
>>28562089
>not having enough fat to be your own life preserver
Pleb
But seriously why would it be green and not, say, orange? Hi viz and all that.
Its weird to think in ~96 hours Ill be at lackland, and yet here I am at my PC a few states away just shitposting and playing a few video games.
I truly cant wait to get to the DLI though. I love learning languages.
>>28562096
>Where do I look to learn about these and what I need?
You get in, get good at your job, and ask around. Some of them are pretty well known (Rangers/SF recruiting intel guys for support billets), and some of them you won't get any details on unless you're inside a secure facility.
If you're wanting to do tactical intel stuff, getting airborne school and maintaining high PT scores is a good start.
>>28562284
What languages have you learned?
>>28561729
There's econ-related stuff in Civil Affairs.
>>28562312
I learned German during my short time in college and became pretty good at it, nearly fluent.
I learned how to read japanese and understand a basic level of it when I was bored, same with korean and russian.
I can read all their alphabets.
Chinese I got ok at a while ago but forgot some of it during some stressful times.
Arabic I started trying to learn but its tough
>>28562355
Deutsch! Ich habe Deutsch auch gelernt.
Hast du nach Deutschland geflogen? Ich habe eine Reise nach Deutschland im Sommer gemacht. Sehr toll.
I bet Arabic is a bitch.
>>28562415
ich bin leider nicht nach deutschland gegangen.
I would but the whole shitfest going on there needs to die down a little first.
The language is hard to read beacuse its like cursive.
I have a friend who still cant read english cursive after like 5 years in america (hes from israel). I am sure if I get arabic at the DLI I will learn it quickly from good instructors but for now I will just hold off on it, not like i have much time anyway.
Leaving tuesday for Bmt
>>28562303
That's what i was lookin for. Thanks.
>>28562322
I'm kinda trying to get away from the desk. There's a huge chance my lumbar spine is gonna go for shit in 3-10 years (both sides of senpai have it bad) though, so I guess i'm fucked for cool-guy stuff. Oh well.
>>28562444
Ich verstehe.
Maybe with your knowledge in Arabic, Germany wouldn't be so bad :^) But really that is some bad shit going down there. I got in and out right before that happened.
I can only imagine, not only cursive but right to left too.
Good luck anon, you sound like you've got a solid handle on languages already.
>>28562514
Languages is honestly the only thing I've found in my 22 years that I'm naturally gifted at learning. I'm good and ok at most other subjects, but language is the one that I want to learn most and I just feel like its so easy. It's almost to me like simple word replacement with a hint of grammar rules. I don't know how to explain.
What is the best branch for intel officer?
>>28562166
It is on the inside.
>>28561731
Become a tranny, you could get a 5 year commitment
Ausfag here. Just did my aptitude test and got martime warfare officer. From my understanding you can specialise into pwo or oceanology etc etc with majority into pwo. So what what does pwo do? Are they just generalist officers for the navy?
>>28563289
>and got martime warfare officer
Got an interview?
>>28562355
>>28562415
Ich spreche auch ein bisschen Deutsch! Wie gehts?
>>28563314
The recruiter said she would set it for me if i want it in my preferences. Im currently going for rmc. Tbh i got really interested in the navy cause ive heard its more team focused (maybe false). Then theres the adventure of travelling.
>>28563425
Did you unlock all the jobs?
>>28563425
>My recruiter said...
>>28563452
Pretty much but i really dont know what is considered max. The page is pretty full except line M. Where i only got martime warfare officer. Didnt get some intellegence roles also.
>>28563327
Gut. Morgen schieße ich meine Makarov-Pistole.
Ich habe auch viel Progress mit mein Bankdrücken gemacht.
Got my EOD dream crushed at MEPS today because of my poor eyesight, but I'm being offered a Nuke contract if I want it.
Is Nuke life really as bad as I've heard on here? The Nuke recruiters who approached me in the liaison office said it's a great life after you get through the school.
Best aircrew job in the Air Force?
>>28564401
cant see if you can get it waiver for that?
this whole eye sight shit scares me senpai, my eyes are shit
>>28564614
My eyes are 20/400. They correct to 20/20, but they're 20/400.
Military doesn't seem like such a bad life if you decide it's what you want to do until you retire.
I think I'm interested in turning military into a career.
What are the downsides to being a career officer?
>>28560341
does anyone know of an ASVAB practice website that gives you individual scores of each category like CL, CO, EL, GT, GM, ST, SC, MM etc?
pic related is all i got from the test i just took. 135 questions.
>>28563327
>>28563537
guten morgen mein herren! wie gehts auf dieser schoene samstag!
What do you guys do to keep a straight face during drills? What's your method of "shutting yourself off"? It's that aspect of basic I'm nervous about, not the physical shit.
>>28564429
Loadmaster. Fuck boom operator, you only go on refuelers with that afsc. Id say flight engineer is best though but you have to be prior enlisted maintenance to get that afsc.
>>28565105
I had a problem with this. My drill instructor was funny as fuck. (I found out later he actually did stand-up comedy on the side.)
Getting over it happens on its own. You gradually learn to mentally compartmentalize. If there's any skill you learn in boot camp, that's it.
>>28566186
i think he's just worried he'll accidentally laugh and the insturctors will shit on him i think
i too am nervous about, especially because i tend to find a lot of things funny in situations when i shouldnt be laughing
>>28566230
I can tell you that if you're a laugher, you're going to laugh. The hats will go apeshit on you and you will laugh some more. You laugh naturally as a stress response, right?
The Marines has seen this all before. You'll laugh, you'll get screamed at and, eventually, you'll learn to keep a straight face.
Like I said, I was a laugher. At one point, I was given a red rubber clown nose to wear. I was never to take it off. I was to keep it clean. It was now an element of inspection for me. Had to wear that fucker for two weeks until I learned to stop laughing.
Just keep reminding yourself:
>the DIs are not sadists, they are teachers.
>You are here to learn
Fresh OC since I saw what edition this thread is
>>28566347
is it sped up?
>>28566336
>You laugh naturally as a stress response, right?
you nailed it
well hopefully i'll be able to keep a straight face, if not i'll just deal with the consequences i guess, hopefully they dont affect the rest of the guys
>>28566360
Don't think so familia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai4ChkDu3hE
>>28566391
ah, so it cruised above lane for 15 seconds before pulling up. It was going a wee bit too fast for such climb right after clearing tarmac.
>>28566404
Yes. I would have included the entire run but this site has like a 2mb file size limit or some shit
>>28566411
this. why do people make threads about enlisting advice on the WEAPONS board
>>28566336
>Like I said, I was a laugher. At one point, I was given a red rubber clown nose to wear. I was never to take it off. I was to keep it clean. It was now an element of inspection for me. Had to wear that fucker for two weeks until I learned to stop laughing.
That is some comedy gold right there
>>28566336
i tear up when i get nervous
shit
>>28566454
There's more in-the-know people here.
Also, if you're joining the military, depending on your MOS and training, arguably you are becoming the weapon.
>>28566684
>you are becoming the weapon.
This. That's why I enlisted in the Army to become a human cannonball.
>>28564401
>The Nuke recruiters who approached me in the liaison office said it's a great life after you get through the school.
Depends on what you value in life. Nukes get less free time than everyone else, but they get more pay and tend to be set up well for post-military life.
>>28566454
why do people click on threads they're not interested in, then shitpost in it?
there's a fictitious weapons thread
a star wars thread
a middle east thread
go shit up one of those. if you can't understand why a military thread is on /k/, i cant help you, you're too far gone.
have you ever even been to /adv/?
>>28564810
How long have you been in? "Imma do 20 years!" is a pretty common sentiment for people looking to join, but there's a good reason that 80%+ never make it.
An officer's pension is a pretty solid middle-class income that lets you retire in your 40s and never work again if you don't want to. You can also segue into a second career and comfortably stack up a few million for a lavish retirement or to give to your family when you die.
The downside is that you're going to give the military all of your best years. You could also put in 12+ years and get forced out since you weren't competitive enough, that's a pretty scary concept to a lot of people.
Depending on the field, you might also make less than your civilian counterparts, but this is vastly overblown. Unless you're a financial wizard or an experienced programmer, you won't easily beat military officer compensation.
>>28562284
>the DLI
This is how people who have been to DLI know that you haven't gone yet.
>>28566825
does anyone here have any advice about being a tanker?
>>28567041
be short
>>28567144
I'm 5'5", so that's not a problem.
My dad was in an M1A1 crew in the first Gulf War and now that women are allowed to be 19K I can follow in his footsteps.
>>28566733
How much "less free time" are we talking?
>>28567191
First on the boat, last off.
>>28567186
>grill
Doubt
>>28567186
fuckin' manlets
>yfw 198cm or 6'6 and will never fit into cockpit of a fighter
why even live
>>28567234
serves you right lanklet
>>28567186
Your height will not be a problem, but work on your strength. Weaklings can have trouble on the Abrams.
Being a loader means having to lift and maneuver unwieldy 50 pound weights using basically only your arms. If you're not strong enough for that, you can't do anything else on the tank. Everyone in a tank crew is expected to be able to perform every task.
You'll have to be able to pull your incapacitated fellow crewmen out of the tank.
Tow bars are heavy. You'll have to be able to lift them
All the parts of a tank are heavy and you'll be expected to be able to lift them when servicing the tank.
>>28567242
triggered, #heightism #lanklivesmatter
>>28567191
Not just longer shifts, but staying behind to work while other people get to hang out in foreign ports and the like. You definitely earn that extra pay by putting in extra hours.
Went for a flight this morning. It was awesome, but the de-ice took forever cause of 5-7mm of frost on literally everything. I've given up on my dreams of flying for the military; civilian flying will do for me. Still one of the best jobs I could think of, even if it doesn't pay well at first
>>28567250
Actually, the loader's job is less strength dependent than technique. If you get enough practice and get into a good rhythm, it doesn't require brute strength.
The heaviest round, if I remember correctly, is the M830 HEAT, which is around 24kg.
>>28564841
Mir gehts gut! Heute ich trainiere und Fallout 4 spiele
Wir brauchen ein Deutsch Nachrichtforum, ja?
>>28566454
This thread has been a regular general for months. It's not random dudes constantly making threads asking for advice. This general exists because otherwise there would be half a dozen short, useless threads of this every day instead of a single useful containment general.
>>28566733
Isn't their more pay only like a couple hundred extra dollars a month for significantly more work?
>>28567234
i know this is a meme but u can get a waiver
:^)
>>28567571
Couple hundred extra dollars a month + very fast promotion + huge re-up bonuses. It adds up.
>>28567234
>6'2"
>short enough to fly
>still tall but not awkwardly so
Feels good
>>28561729
>What are military intel jobs like?
It depends on the specific MOS.
All Source Analysis is going to give you less opportunities to do cool guy stuff (if your definition of cool guy stuff is kicking doors), but you'll gain a greater understanding of the entirety of the intelligence process, and intelligence as a field. You'll also work on predictive analysis, use tools like analysis of competing hypotheses, linchpin analysis etc.
Collector MOS like HUMINT collector (sometimes CI but they are special because they are credentialed agents of the US government and handle a wide variety of tasks) will have you pretty much just doing that one thing.
Other analyst positions like SIGINT and IMINT/GEOINT will have you just doing that one thing, which is analyzing a specific range of information collected in a specific way.
There are opportunities like Great Skill, going to the Ranger Regiment STB, or getting attached to an SF Group, but like the other anon said: if you don't like doing your job when you're not doing "cool guy stuff" then don't do it.
>>28567186
I can appreciate you want to serve in a combat MOS, but don't be a tanker. It's an awful job.
All the combat MOS are actually awful, but armor is probably the worst.
>>28567186
Good luck with that, sister!
When I finish my associate's degree I'm going to enlist in the Marines as infantry. My older brothers were both infantrymen and I've been working out with them to get me ready. (Pullups are hard, but once you can do that first one, the rest are a lot easier. I'm up to five now.)
>>28568276
>sister
>>28567186
>women
>>28568302
Something I read that really stuck with me. I can't remember where I read it, though:
>I am not in favor of women in combat, but I am most certainly in favor of Marines in combat and anyone can be a Marine with proper training.
As long as the performance standards aren't relaxed, anyone has any right to any MOS. That's how USSOCOM is approaching it.
>>28568337
i dont give a shit about that
im talking about here on 4chan
>>28568361
I don't follow
>>28568373
there are no girls on 4chan
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
>>28568403
Ah. I gotcha.
>>28568337
i dont know senpai, i think they should do women only platoons and shit
also pic related
>>28568444
>>28568302
>>28568361
>>28568403
not even "her" (i doubt its really a chick, probably just a troll looking for (You)s), but your lame as fuck rk9 frog reee shit is probably just as cancerous as "i'm a grill btw," if not worse
>>28568403
>>28568444
I read that article. She brought up some good points.
I noted that the writer was 5'6", 130lbs. I served in the Infantry with guys considerably smaller than that. Mexicans who were like 5'2". The minimum allowable size for a male Marine is 4'10", 91lbs.
We obviously won't know until there's a good amount of concrete on-battlefield data on how women do as infantrywomen.
I will say this, though: Take a male and a female and give them equal results. Lets say 3 pullups, 80 situps and a 24-minute 3-miler. That guy is going to be one of the sloppiest, least motivated fucks in the platoon. The woman who gets that score will be comparatively fitter and likely be considerably more motivated and competent.
All things being equal, I would rather have someone who is motivated and competent.
I think the Corps should be happy and take this order to integrate as an opportunity to weed out the fuckers who are skating and replace them with Marines who, while they may not be physically stronger, are certainly more motivated.
>>28568276
How would you recommend getting better at pull-ups?
Not a grill, just want to know how you did it, since I can't do pull-ups to save my life.
>>28568614
If you've never done pullups before, the hard part is just figuring out which muscles you're supposed to be using or how far apart your hands should be.
I started out with a chair under the pullup bar. Start doing pullups and give yourself a little boost with your feet.
After a while of doing that, and getting good arm and back workouts all the while, get rid of the box.
Once you can do one and you get the motion right, you can start doing more and more.
How bad of an idea is enlisting as a 68W in order to pad resume and pay for med school?
>>28568735
>How bad of an idea is enlisting as a 68W in order to pad resume and pay for med school?
Awful idea. 68Ws are slightly lower than EMTs in terms of medical knowledge. Though, that said, time spent as a 68W might turn you off the idea of becoming a doctor altogether.
>>28568763
>>28568735
68w is about the same as EMT in civilian world. PA is the hot thing to do right now with GIbill
>>28568444
summary of that article:
>women in combat roles will invalidate my own service. Integration will eliminate my excuse for being a POG.
>>28568789
physician assistant? what do they do? is it a good gig?
>>28568825
yes, if you want to work in the medical field but cant be bothered to go to school for up to ten years
>>28568763
>>28568789
We'll, I'm looking for an op 40 when I graduate so ideally I'll pass RASP in order to go through SOCM. So I'd be more more than a basic EMT.
>>28568482
>no one is permitted to use 4chan except people exactly like me
>>28568825
A pa is as the name implies a Physician's assistant. But, they do a lot more than that are are quite autonomous. A PA is a health care provider, and can really work in ANY health care field. Pay is very good, easily 100k+ starting salary.
Becoming a PA is VERY competitive, many schools look for candidates with THOUSANDS of hours of direct patient contact experience. It's on par with medical school admissions, because slots are much more limited, even moreso than med school.
>>28568879
That is a good idea, in theory, but now you're kind of planning around passing something that, historically, has a 70% failure rate.
In the probable event that you fail RASP (7 in 10 chance) you will be stuck as a plain-Jane 68W. Also, 68Ws are not all combat medics. Very, very few of them are, in fact. Most of them work in hospital settings, doing banal things like patient paperwork.
>>28568825
>>28568895
Also forgot to mention, becoming a PA requires a bachelors, and is usually a 2-year program.
Most schools require prereqs similar to med school prereqs, such as Bio 2, Chem 2, Orgo, Inorgo, stats, microbiology, etc, etc.
Might get chapter 11'd in AIT. crossing my fingers, this life ain't for me. Everyone thinking of joining PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE think long on it. I made the mistake of letting my friend convince me to join and I jumped in way too fast.
>>28568880
>that's exactly how you sound you faggot nogunz virgin
>>28568952
>13F didn't kill himself, shit
>>28568957
>>28567925
Why is tanker an awful job?
>>28568952
13Faggot is still alive
>>28568999
better than autismfrog.png
>>28568952
Lack of discipline? Lol what an idiot. FO's are shit anyway. We don't need your kind here.
>>28568947
Just clarifying. It requires a Bachelors to enter PA school, which is 2 years.
It's the next big thing US healthcare, and as a result it's almost to just as hard to get into as an American med school. Benefits are it's much shorter and you'll be working in your speciality within a year or two after getting your license. Even if you're going into something rockstar like surgery. Meanwhile an MD surgeon will spend 4 years of residency after 4 years of med school to become a legit surgeon.
>>28569058
Also a huge benefit of a PA is being to go into any field, unlike an MD/DO you aren't as "stuck".
As long as someone will hire oyu, you can work in any field. But yes, becoming a PA is extremely competitive.
Any Navy MAs here? I realize it involves the usual "military LE" gate security and bullshit, but I like the idea of force protection and VBSS.
>>28567523
ja ein Deutsch forum wuerdet gut sein. aber ich bin ein arme Oesterreicher, darf ich bitte auch beim Deutsch forum sein? und ich habe gesehen du hebst auch gewichte auf. wir sind zu zweit!
>>28564834
anyone know?
>>28569165
its a formula, however the actual score they give you is a percentile against 6000 others
>>28569191
>>28569165
the formula is 2 × [WK + PC]
+
[AR + MK]
= AFQT Raw score
>>28569016
>Why is tanker an awful job?
Because you won't actually be doing any tanking. It costs too much to take the infrastructure needed to support tanks to places like Afghanistan where there are no tanks but a whole shit ton of anti-tank weaponry.
So you'll ride around in a Bradley or Stryker and/or go on foot patrols, while listening to grunts giggling to themselves about how "cav wants to be like the infantry now".
Compare that to the Thunder Runs in 2003 during the Battle of Baghdad when the 1-64 led the way and a tank kill was something that could actually happen.
>>28569042
Good I don't wanna be here anyway. chapter 11 is failure to adapt.
>>28569253
I'll bite. why can't you hack it? DI yelling too much? miss your mommy?
>>28569253
What exactly did you do to end up with a potential chapter 11?
>>28569325
I'm just depressed as fuck and have anxiety. Can't sleep for more than 3 hours and I feel like a zombie everyday. I don't like the environment, surrounded by loud obnoxious assholes. It's cold as fuck. I'm lonely and I want to go home. I just can't deal with it anymore. It grew and grew throughout basic and now I'm at AIT, I just can't deal with it anymore. I'm done I'm miserable and this isn't for me. I don't care if you guys make fun of me but I'm being completely honest when I say that I just want out.
>>28569381
put your trip back on faggot, we know its you
>>28569058
my BS is in biochemistry
thats sounds neat-o though, wonder what the difference between them and nurses are though.
>>28569381
>I don't like the environment, surrounded by loud obnoxious assholes.
You're gonna be in for a rude awakening in the civilian world
>>28569352
Went to mental health place and told them how I feel (see my last lost) and they wanted to do a trial of antidepressants medication to see if I got better or the doc would recommend a chapter. But clearly I haven't so I'm gunna tell him on Tuesday. On top of that I went to another doctor cause my leg was hurting and he thinks I have a stress fraction. So I got that and now I have a cold too. I'm just all fucked up.
>>28569450
Ignore the people in this thread. If it isn't for you it isn't for you. I hope you are happier out in the civilian world.
What is your mos?
>>28569539
13F
>>28569539
Thank you for being understanding. I just don't want someone else to be in the same situation I'm currently in. Cause it fucking sucks.
>>28569403
A nurse is a 2-year program, a PA has a bachelors, plus a 2 year graduate program. A nurse's responsibilities really end at simple shit like drawing blood, shots, etc. Their responsibilities will depend on where you are. My son's neurologist doesn't do much besides giving authorization, and interpreting charts/etc. his PA honestly does almost everything that involves direct patient care.
In some states a PA can even prescribe medication.
>>28569624
>>28569624
A lot of these posters are underaged faggots who have never served, or are in DEP Why do you think a lot of the good posters like Ricky have almost completely stopped posting?
>>28564834
Which specific MOS do you have in mind? Just generally try to get a high score on the GT as most jobs require a 110 GT score.
>>28569450
If you really are trying to chapter our try and get a honorable or a medical discharge cause a dishonorable one will fuck up your civilian career.
>>28567651
That's true, but hardly anyone re-ups because most nukes can increase their salary like 50% by becoming a civilian.
>>28569719
>A nurse is a 2-year program
For an associates and if you plan to do fuck all you need atleast a bachelors.
>>28569767
You need to be court martialed to get a dishonorable I believe.
>>28569785
Well maybe things have changed. Where I did my undergrad plenty of people were walking out of 2 year programs into good jobs.
>>28569767
They said its not a dishonorable. I'm still under ELS (180 Days of starting training) so I qualified for that. The doctor will make the recommendation however it's up to the commander. And since I have been trying this medicine hopefully he sees that I at least put in the effort to TRY something instead of just straight up quitting. I'm praying that he approves it.
>>28569810
Oh ya must have confused it with a Bad conduct discharge. A kid in my unit got it for physically assaulting an officer.
>>28569853
Yeah. You really have to like murder or rape someone to get a dishonorable.
>>28569148
Ich bin kein Deutscher, ich bin Amerikaner. Obwohl wir haben krautchan, ja? Ich habe das vergessen
>>28569381
It's ok to not be able to take it. Better to get out than to spend 4 years totally miserable and dragging down the people around you. Things will turn out okay.
>>28560341
Would a 12A be able to attend Ranger or Special Forces selection and serve in an SFG or in Ranger batt?
>>28567698
ayy fellow 6'2" here (it's the best height)
looking to pilot something that goes fast B)
>>28570026
12A? No. Of course not. You'd be an officer leading engineers.
>>28570078
>looking to pilot something that goes fast
No shit? Me too
>>28570026
>I want to operate
>but I also want to be an officer
>but I also want a cool sounding job that isn't just the same pew pew that everyone else is
>but I don't want to be a medic because everyone in /meg/ wants to be a special forces medic
>special forces engineer officer. Yeah. That's what I want to be.
>Then, in like 10 years when I'm done with my career and I won like all the medals, I'll go back on /meg/ and tell all the anons I was a special forces engineer and an officer and they'll all be like "no way" and I'll show them all.
>>28570316
Well shit nigger I was just fucking wondering, I'm just looking at my options
>>28570316
kek
It's like people can't just be satisfied with one thing. They have to be snowflakes.
>>28570316
fucking kek. not too far off, i bet
>>28570316
Well I want to be a pilot and I want to operate
Pilot is more important to me though
>>28569775
*if you have a degree related to the field in some way
That's what they don't tell you when they get you to sign nuke. Oh yeah 100k+ civilian sector jobs easy money man just do 6 and get out hooyha.
In reality, without a college degree, you aren't going to get shit civilian side. My instructor (about to graduate STS A-school in a few weeks) has a brother who went nuke, did his 6 years, got out, and the best job he could get was a 20-30k job in the civilian sector since he doesn't have an engineering degree.
Nukes don't get out after one stint because they get good civilian jobs. They get out because it's the shittiest life in the military. I've talk to a ton of nukes who straight up said they would give their 100k bonus back if they could just go back in time and not sign a nuke contract. It's pretty much doing 6 years of prison for a taxed-to-shit 100k (actually becomes 60k or so) and I have yet to meet anyone who isn't autistic and says it's worth it.
Also, a lot more people drop from nuke school than they let on. They begged me to go nuke, said only like 3 percent drop out or some bullshit number like that, then I get to sub school and nuke drops are flying in left and right, saying tons of guys drop all the time.
Don't believe the liaison lies.
>>28570398
Don't nukes come out with 70 college credits?
Just transfer to a university for two years and use the G.I bill, that doesn't sound like a bad deal AT ALL
>>28570419
Not all of the credits you earn in the military really transfer directly into one type of degree.
Nukes might have 70 credits worth, but it isn't 70 credits in one field. For example, they might have some elective credits from boot camp (everyone gets those), maybe some basic engineering credits from nuke school, leadership class credits from rank, oceanography credits for boat-related qualifications, and so on. It isn't exactly 70 credits toward an engineering degree.
Regardless, that asterisk needs to be there. Nuke liaisons tell you it's easy to snag a civilian job immediately after leaving the military and make big bux. In reality, you have to go to college and get an engineering degree after your stint in the military (doing them both at the same time is extremely difficult as a no-free-time nuke), wherein you would be making big bucks fucking regardless with an engineering degree. The military service part becomes nearly irrelevant.
>>28570026
You'd be able to go to Ranger school though I don't know about being an engineer officer in a Ranger BN.
>>28570458
Plus, civilian side nuke shit is just as miserable as military nuke shit. The hours are just as long, and you have to deal with civilian-tier workplace issues. There's really no light at the end of the tunnel for nukes other than a forced smile and watery eyes as you tell people, "A-at least I made a lot of m-money."
>>28570458
Ah okay that makes more sense.
That's kind of fucked up, my recruiter was telling me the same shit.
He also told me about the STA-21 program, that sounded pretty awesome but I'm sure he buttered it up for me.
>>28561649
MOS?
Looks cool m8
>Shipping in 9 days
>Haven't heard anything about my clearance
>Can barely run worth a shit
>>28570505
STA-21 is actually a really good deal if you want to commit to being in that long. I'm personally going to stay the enlisted route if I decide to make it a career since I want to be an RDC and ACINT rider later down the road. If you're set on making it a career, do STA-21. It's super competitive right now, but you'd be an idiot to say no if STA-21 was offered to you.
I'm gonna be on my twitch for shits and giggles for an hour or two. Like I said earlier, I'm late in the SECF pipeline so I don't have sea stories or shit like that, but if you wanna swing through and ask questions about boot camp or the submarine pipeline, feel free to swing through. I went through boot about a year ago, more recent than the salty guys so I'm a little more updated. They change a lot pretty frequently though, they were trying out the iPad thing when I was finishing up, ended up being a canned program.
mavericksts on twitch.
>>28567925
those boots tho
>>28560341
>>28570398
Yeah, I should have mentioned (with a degree), it was a given in my head. Get out, use your GI Bill and after nuke school regular college will seem like a breeze.
>>28570494
Some people do actually want to work in that field. There are people who work long, stressful hours and enjoy their job (see: doctors).
>>28570573
let anime guide you
>>28570590
Buy some Corcoran tanker boots on amazon then, don't get into a shitty job just for an $80 pair of boots
>>28570419
Here's the thing: Nukes aren't the only job that gets a lot of applicable civilian skills or college credits. CTNs also get a ton of college credits and training in an extremely high demand civilian field...but CTN is one of the cushiest fields in the entire military while Nuke is one of the least cushy.
If you want to set yourself up for civilian life, there's choices that are just as good as Nuke without being as soul-destroying.
>>28569745
anything techy/engineeringlike
im studying civil engineering right now and have some computer certifications (CompTIA A+, CCNA, CCNA security) and am learning how to wrench on cars.
i was trying to eithe rbe a 12d or something in the engineering corps
>>28569745
>>28569191
>>28569226
i understand that there is a formula, but the online test i took did not give me individual section scores of the categories like WK, PC, MK, AR etc. it just gave me a total percentage score of correct/total. see >>28564834
13F back again. I just bought this to make myself feel better. Might be a while before the chaptering paperwork is finished so I figured I'd occupy myself with this. Now I just gotta wait for my dad to ship my ps4
>>28571102
Keep in mind that when an enlisted job says "engineer", it means "construction worker".
>>28571152
Just a heads up.. if your recruiter tells you about the sweet college credits your military training will get you. NO college is obligated to take ANY of them. They might take 1, they might take 15, or maybe even nine, it's up to them entirely. Do not rely on them.
No college worth its salt is going to take a very large amount of credits for your military training.
>>28571152
Hope you bought Bloodborne along with it :^)
>28560341
More like stupid frogposter edition
>>28571222
>Nine
None*
>>28571222
I bought a bunch of games digitally before I left but I didn't get bloodborne. Might be too hard, never played any souls series games before.
>your 3rd world shithole will never have anywhere near as good of a military as the US of A
why even live
Very few jobs are as cool as their title would suggest:
>Combat Medic
Mostly spent in hospitals filing paperwork
>Combat Engineer
Construction worker
>Tanker
Mechanic
>Scout
Infantryman
>Cannoneer
Infantryman
>Infantryman
Janitor
>Officer
Manager, mostly paperwork
>MP
Mall security guard
>Special Forces
"OK, if I treat your brother Ahmed's infected toe, will you promise not to mortar the base for three weeks? What if I throw in a Toyota Hilux and three goats?"
>>28571120
get an asvab book (i recommend Kaplan)
it breaks down all the sections, tells you how to interpret your line scores, and guarantees a great score. the book is way harder than the real test.
>>28571237
newfag edition
>>28571312
Crewchief
>99% maintenence
>.7% flying
>.3% fun flying
>>28571326
Kaplan makes good shit in general, a little pricey though.
>>28571312
is this true?
this sounds like it would be true.
/k/orpsman friend deployed with marines has a few months of action and then seemingly years of putzing around doing paperwork. at least that's what his facebook feed suggests
>>28571345
its $20, ask your grandma
>>28571312
>Officer
what about pilots?
>>28571362
I was referring to other service they provide.Their MCAT prep course starts at $2000.
But yes, it is a good book and I would recommend it to anyone.
>>28571237
more like dumb dumb frogposter
>>28571391
holy shit
>>28571382
They are officers first. There is going to be a ton of bureaucracy involved of course. Well worth though I think.
>>28571391
this sounds lame as fuck, but i was worried about the percentile thing like the anon earlier, so i made my buddies take the practice test too. we all sat down, timed it correctly, added up the scores, then averaged it out to get our "actual" scores. it wasn't 6000, but 5 was good enough
>>28571423
Yee boss, my dream is just to take off and land from a carrier
>>28571348
Yup. Nearly all of military life is astoundingly boring and the amount of moronic bureaucracy is just staggering.
On top of that, if you have a cool job, there's no guarantee that your commanding officer will know how to best apply your skills.
In the Marines, it doesn't matter what you do, you will be used as a basic grunt.
When I was in the Corps, I started as Machine Gunner and later became a Scout Sniper.
The tour I did as a Machine Gunner was EXACTLY like the tour I did as a Scout Sniper because the officers didn't use their sniper platoons as God intended.
>>28571434
Honestly man just study shit you know you suck at. For me it was the mechanical stuff, I didn't know any of that shit. Just freshen up on arithmetic and shit, and you will be absolutely fine.
>>28571050
Can anyone elaborate on CTNs?
>>28571382
Pilots
Officer type:
>Sit around all day, getting bitched at for something one of your subordinates did
>Barely make your minimums for flying, if you do at all
Warrant type:
>Sit around all day, do paper work related to flying
>Beg for flight hours, barely make minimums like everyone else
>>28571494
What are minimums?
And I've heard the pilot culture is fucking great and makes up for the bureaucracy
>>28571494
u just cant win senpai
>>28571312
accurate
>>28571382
Most pilots spend more time officering than flying. I believe WO pilots (just Army helicopter pilots as far as I know) spend a larger amount of time flying and have fewer bureaucratic duties.
>>28571520
You need a minimum of 4 flight hours per month and at least 1 hour of NVG flight in 60 days.
>>28571382
>>28571423
>>28571437
>go to flight school
be a navigator
>I'mma fly a fighter jet
I'm flying a C-130
>I'mma fly all over the world
I only fly transport runs in the continental US
>I'm a fighter pilot, I'm going to shoot down an enemy fighter
The US does not fight countries with Air Forces
>I'm a fighter pilot, modern day knight of the sky, master of the heavens
The mechanics know my plane better than I do and they tell me what I can and cannot do with it.
Am I good looking /k/? I've gotten a little tubby lately.
>>28571560
So you're telling me the real world isn't like Top Gun!?
>>28571571
sure it is. Just replace the volleyball scene with beer pong, make it even gayer, and have everyone without a shirt on look like a wad of bubble gum that's been rolled around a barbershop floor.
>>28571571
best marketing tool the navy ever had. my dad fell for it
>>28571603
I wouldn't know, but supposedly they'd have Naval recruiting desks/booths outside the theaters. The poor fools.
>>28571568
i had those stars on the roof when i was growing up too
happy times
>>28571560
its 10 years too fuck
>>28571618
my dad had bifocals in like 10th grade, and they had him believe he was going to fly tomcats lol
>>28571632
Haha.. well you can fly with glasses now but I don't know about back then.
>>28571534
New W1s to the company
>Fridge fund bitches, gets yelled at if the fridge isn't stocked at all times
W2s and above:
Instructor pilot
>Gets lots of hours training new pilots and doing check rides with the old ones
>90% of hours are traffic patterns
>Assload of paper work when not flying
Maintenance pilot
>Tries to run maintenance program over the NCOs' heads
>Gets a little more hours, 90% of extra hours is traffic patterns or circles in the maintenance test flight area trying to break the helicopter
>Stays late every day with the crewchiefs trying to get helicopters fixed
TACOPS
>Locked in a secure room all day
>Face buried in a computer screen making sure the map data on the helicopter memory cards are up to date
>Does all the secret squirrel SPINS crap
>Does all the threat assessments
>Gets off at 1500 every day
Safety:
>Super fuddie duddie
>No fun allowed
>Stick in the mud
>Does investigation if anything bad happens
>Remains of a bird that hit the hoist hook in flight
>>28571222
Colleges with articulation agreements at military training posts are obligated to take them. That's what an articulation agreement is.
That's pretty much limited to a small range of very academic MOSs though.
>>28571312
>Submariner, literally any job
Do repetitive busywork for months on end.
Eat powdered eggs.
Fart uncontrollably.
Breathe the farts of your crew for months on end.
Sleep in the farts of the guys you hotbunk with.
>>28571650
yeah it worked out later in his career but fuck lol
>>28571688
Could you possibly give me an example of such colleges? I'm very interested.
>>28570398
My highschool physics teacher was a nuke
Really funny guy
>>28571486
You go through what is basically a two-year infosec academy in six months, then go work for cybercom. With a TS and X number of years of resume experience as a "SOC analyst", or "enterprise penetration tester" you'll basically get poached for six-figure jobs as soon as you're ready to leave the service. Netsec/infosec is booming right now.
>>28571547
Why is it difficult to make that amount of hours?
>>28571391
>>28571391
>Their MCAT prep course starts at $2000
jesus christ
>>28571560
>I'm flying a C-130
So? That sounds fucking awesome too.
>I only fly transport runs in the continental US
Cool, I'll get to see more than the two states I've been to
>the mechanics know my plane better than I do
Personally, I would learn every inch of my plane, but then again I'm an aerospace major
I get where you're coming from, but I still want to be a pilot, no matter what I'm flying, or how much flying that actually entails.
>>28571326
so there isnt a website then? :(((
>>28571848
That's also the cheapest one
>>28571877
asvaber.com
>>28571857
>Personally, I would learn every inch of my plane
lolno. Here's how that would go:
>Do you have a mission scheduled? No? What are you doing near that aircraft? What business do you have near that aircraft?
I want to learn more about it
>That's all classified above your pay grade
Two days later your flight status is revoked and you're called in by your commanding officer. While he's yelling at you, you notice the two guys who aren't wearing any uniforms, who don't say anything and who your CO has introduced you to.
Two days later, you are transferred to McMurdo Station and for the rest of your career, any attempt to leave Antarctica is "lost in a paperwork shuffle"
>>28571915
>but who are the 2 guys?
>>28571915
You're not even allowed to study your own bird?
That's fucked up. I thought pilots had to get clearances anyway.
>>28571929
You don't need to know the two gentlemen. They're not even here.
You casually mentioned them to your roommate. Three hours later he's gone and when you ask anyone if they've seen him around, they have no idea who you're talking about.
>Roommate, sir? You've never had a roommate, sir.
>>28571948
>You're not even allowed to study your own bird?
You're just being trained to fly it. How it's constructed is not your concern.
>>28571948
A clearance isn't a blanket blessing to learn any sort of classified information you want. It's a certification of a certain level of trust. Along with your clearance, you also need to have "need to know" a given bit of information. Pilots need to know everything about operating their aircraft, but they do not need to know absolutely everything about the aircraft.
>>28571948
Why the fuck do you think they would let you
You understanding how it is engineered is none of your business
>>28571981
>>28571993
This is exactly why pilots are being replaced with drones as fast as possible. As soon as we can get those drones mostly autonomous, we'll do that too.
Pilot jobs are about as safe as truck driver jobs in the long run. Human operators are a necessary liability that will be removed at the earliest convenience.
>>28571893
>asvaber.com
ah thank you, but i meant free
>>28572115
there's free shit on there too
