Well who wins /k/? Both dropped into an urban environment the size of a village. US troops can take any kit they want with them excluding anything aerial and have no support.
>>28521488
I'd be willing to put my money on the Germans in a death match.
Superior equipment only goes so far, especially in a 1:5 battle.
>>28521488
Bro even if they were special forces, getting outnumbered 5:1 is a death sentence
>>28521488
>Well who wins /k/?
The jews.
>>28521488
>4 thermal sights
>20 dead germs
>>28521498
When you can set up claymores all over the place and shit?
Retard.
>>28521488
>Germans plink at Americans, get one if lucky
>Americans hide, get on radio
>JDAM obliterates town
>the end
>>28521517
>Americans be able to do comprehension
well, even if they are outnumbered, the better equipment should lead to a victory
so i guess the US soldiers
anyway, OP is a fag.
>>28521517
Can you read?
Wehrmacht.
>>28521488
INTEL, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ITS IMPORTANCE?
A straight shooting match goes to the Krauts in daylight and the Amis at night. But what does each side know? Why are they there; what are they trying to accomplish?
>>28521551
They're there to share bread.
>>28521488
There's a huge number advantage on the German side, but they're still using an outdated doctrine with most of their troops probably carrying K98s. Standard US infantrymen would be equipped with automatics, advanced body armor, and enhanced optics, meaning they're likely to kill multiple people in an ambush.
That said, it really comes down to tactics in this fight. If the Wehrmacht can isolate or pin down soldiers with a few troops, they can probably maneuver and surround them. Once the mobility of the US soldiers is compromised, it'd be a matter of flushing them out with grenades or a flamethrower. If the US forces were special forces and trained in guerrilla warfare such as creating ambush points and traps such as mines, they might be able to reduce the German numbers down to something more manageable.
>>28521535
>well, even if they are outnumbered, the better equipment should lead to a victory
said the Wehrmacht general overseeing the Eastern front...
>>28521611
And they made a fuckload of kills, the only difference is the rusko numbers were basically unending.
>>28521535
The only real equipment advantage they would have is the ACOG on their rifle, and the rifle itself depending on how you look at it.
American infantry has a high probability of being composed of various flavors of undisciplined subhuman mongrels that no training could ever help, and only has recent experience fighting other subhumans. The Germans would almost certainly win under any circumstances.
>>28521517
It's time to stop posting.
You're making us look bad
>>28521516
Marcus Luttrell and friends were only outnumbered 2-to-1 and lost to illiterate mudfarmers.
>>28521551
>Why are they there; what are they trying to accomplish?
You're not supposed to think about this any harder than the OP did.
So in other words, don't use your brain for this question whatsoever.
Modern soldiers would win in urban combat even if outnumbered. WW2 regulars weren't trained in specifically urban combat. Armor will take most immediately incapacitating shots from a SMG or pistol (even if fatally wounded, still able enough to finish the fight). Bolt actions a shit for CQB. Night makes it easy mode.
>>28521625
>The only real equipment advantage they would have is the ACOG on their rifle
>fuck night vision
>fuck thermal
>fuck grenade launchers
>fuck efficient radio communication
>only scopesssses matter guise COD4
>American infantry has a high probability of being composed of various flavors of undisciplined subhuman mongrels
>not our pure bred beautiful germans
>>28521658
I would say the Germans would stand a much better chance if their forces were specifically comprised of equipment for urban warfare. STGs and MPs would help them greatly.
Under Patton's 3rd army soldiers routinely went up against defending forces 5 times greater there own. Leadership is most important in the outcome of any battle. The second most important factor in a fictitious one on one engagement like this would likely be body armor. If neither side has any fire support all casualties will have to be caused by either small arms or grenades (maybe a small amount by mines and rocket launchers). IOTV stops both of these threats with incredible effectiveness.
>>28521667
That post just screams wheraboo.
>>28521825
True, true.
>>28521625
fag
>>28521488
>Two IFAKs
>Pistol not in a holster
>No primary mags
wtf is up with the US guy on the left?
>>28521805
Now I don't think those plates can stop 8mm mauser.
>>28521865
Is this a joke?
>>28521805
>IOTV stops 8mm mauser
nigga what
>>28521488
No contest.
20 beats 4.
Those US boys are going to get flanked and be forced to break contact.
They'll end up running and get surrounded by the Germans after using up their ammo.
>>28521885
Yes.
>>28521488
Well, if air support is not a factor, I'd bet on the Wehrmacht here. Small arms technology hasn't advanced that much since late WWII (which these German soldiers are from, judging from their equipment. I don't think there is a huge disparity in training or experience, and while the US soldiers have better optics and body armor, I don't think that alone is enough to make up for being outnumbered 5 to 1.
>>28521488
Are the US soliders some kind of SF type deal with equipment way might not even know about yet?
>>28521488
Do either know of the others position? Is one dropped behind defenses and the other to capture it? Are they all dropped randomly like 5:1 in each corner or what the fuck is going on here OP.
>>28521516
This isnt call of duty man. When exactly in the engagement do you expect these guys to set up claymores? Claymores are for defending a fixed position; if they're just dropped into a city, no one is defending, it's all offense
>>28521905
>lying on the internet
Why, exactly?
>>28521488
>20 Wehrmacht
That's like saying '20 British Army'. Retarded.
>>28521488
each magazine has thirty rounds 4 X 30 is 120 rounds
each bolt action has five rounds 20 X 5 is 100
Americans win again.
>>28521999
I'm not sure, why are you ignorant when you can google that ESAPI plates stop 30.06 AP rounds?
LET'S FIND OUT IN YOUR SIMULATOR DESIGNED BY SLYTHERIN STUDIOS!
US SOLDIERS!
Post youtube videos and gets free food from Denny's.
VERSUS!
GERMAN WEHRMACHT
Bypassing pointless defensive walls since 1940.
WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!
>5v5, probably some French Town somewhere.
>Wouldn't be the first time a foreign military was in France. Probably wont be the last
>Wehrmacht goose stepping around
>Soldiers being really tactical, spacing, slicing the pie...the pie the French gave them to stop trying to ride their pigs.
>Wehrmacht see Soldiers
>Start firing MP-40.
>Soldier gets hit and goes down. Soldiers fire back.
>Manages to kill 1
>4v4
>Wehrmacht works the bolt, hitting a Soldier in the chest. Goes back to taking cover behind a French farmer's house
>Soldier, against ROE, sprays the French farmer's house.
>5.56 penetrates the house and kills both the farmer and Wehrmacht
>3v3...+1? Court Martial. Local populace demand US forces be removed.
>Wehrmacht with an STG-44 starts to assault a Soldier position. Soldiers quickly call in CAS
>Soldier just blind fires M4 over a wall, killing him. The CAS misses its target and kills a Soldier. A-10 Pilot paints Swastika kill marker. Media and UN in uproar.
>2v2
>Soldier guns down a Wehrmacht with an M9, attempts to loot the Luger then forgets Spoils Of War no longer exists (WHICH IS BULLSHIT)
>Wehrmacht guns down Soldier with an MG42 assault fire. Soldier with a SAW fires back and misses.
>1v1
>Both run out of ammo. Hit nothing.
>EVERY EPISODE ENDS LIKE THIS.
>Both take swings and miss. Both get a few glancing blows from their knives
>Wehrmacht tosses his HitlerJugend, quickly pulls the red hot MG-42 barrel out , swinging it at the Soldier
>SMACK! TSSSSSSSSH!
>Soldier goes down.
>Wehrmacht stands victorious.
WINNER! WEHRMACHT!
>Labcoat guy: The Germans had more kill shots...6 million right? Uhh can I say that on TV?
>Wehrmacht Expert: Karl from Forgotten Weapons?!
>Soldier Expert: Still fucking with the French farm animals.
>>28521488
Semi auto rifles versus bolt actions...jeez I wonder if this ever happened in real life...
>>28522033
next the faggot is going to say German bullets are better or some shit, even though the Germans loved captured Russian guns and ammo.
>>28522026
>>28522044
All I'm seeing are STG-44's in that picture.
>>28522056
yeah and I only see two Americans in that picture and 4 Germans in that picture...so are we going by the picture or the text
You wet towel.
>>28521517
Moron.
>>28522040
I guess you tried?
ITT Tripfag tries humor?
In any scenario OP the side to maintain a good defensive position always has a slight advantage. Better gear is what breaks defenses. If the US fortifies its position or makes use of great cover, 4 is enough to cover each sector. The Wermacht will have to work to draw fire from all 4 members using maybe 8 of its own, while the remaining 12 work their way into 1 US soldiers sector, once his defense is compromised, the remaining might not have an option but to die. However, if US forces can fall back onto a 2nd defensesive position, the Wehrmacht would need to once again focus on breaking that defense. However they have given up their position, and may have lost troops. The US might still be outnumbered, but now knows the Germans plan. A counter attack maybe be in order. With Wehrmacht soldiers spread out,positions revealed, its easier to pick them off.
Of course implying US soldiers survived the first wave
Us soldiers should have night vision, weapon lights, lasers, body armor, magnified optics, radios, under slung Nade launchers, and a saw.
The Heer would have at best the stg44, mg43, stick grenades, and steel helmet.
In an urban environment. The US team uses the night to take full advantage of superior vision and communication. The germans would have to know enemy capability and how to best adapt to minimize their disadvantages.
The US should win it in one hard night of operating.
>>28521488
>urban environemtn
>US troops get into a house
>one guy watches the door
>laugh as the German troops attempt CQB with bolt action rifles
>>28522103
>inb4 tldr
>Not about numbers its about the battle plan.
>>28522033
>ESAPI plates stop 30.06 AP rounds
This isn't an answer to my question, it's just more lies.
Please explain yourself, this is getting tiresome.
>>28522081
>text
Doesn't specify what they are armed with, either. Are we talking late or early war Wehrmacht? Eastern or western front? Were they lucky enough to get a crate full of sturmgewehrs, or they making do with older weapons?
>>28522040
This isn't funny
This isn't interesting
This isn't clever
This isn't informative
What is this supposed to be
>>28522163
>gets btfo
>it was all a joke guise i was jus actin retarded
Well you weren't the first person to make the excuse, you won't be the last.
>>28521488
the germans, because they have the numbers to pin and flank. the modern soldier can't compensate with firepower over that, because the firepower differential isn't enough.
>>28521982
They can dig in its a big place. They dont instantly know where each other is.
>Set up firebase
>Claymore obvious entry points
>Have one solider with silence DMR overwatching certain entry points
>M240 at a chokepoint
>>28522040
Literally wasted your time to impressive a bunch of people you dont know.
>>28522187
I'm still waiting for you to explain yourself.
Please drop the memes and just do as I asked.
>>28522240
Apply yourself next time mate. You learned something today, that's enough to keep me content.
>>28522265
Stop dodging him and have an adult argument.
>>28522195
>silence DMR
Go to bed, kid.
>>28522271
>him
samefagging lel
>>28522298
How does that make me a kid exactly?
Krauts because 7.62>5.56
>>28522311
You're using terminology that you learned from playing Battlefield, and you have no idea what you're talking about.
Go to bed, kid.
>>28521488
Probably the Germans, but if the Americans can set up like Pavlovs House or something, they could theoretically pull it off.
>>28521625
The ESAPIs and assault rifles help too. Those 4 soldiers have more firepower and ammo than the 20 Germans, as well as training in modern MOUT.
>>28522321
Well, if you needed any more confirmation this thread is full of retards, here you go.
>>28522328
Using an abbreviation means I play faggot games
Ok
>>28522321
>>28522367
>Implying they won't over penertrate and kill civillians and possibly friendlies
>>28522375
Silencer Isn't an abbreviation.
Silent =/= Surpressed
>>28522392
I thought you were saying that because I used DMR
>>28522375
I don't think it's that, it's that you think anyone in that team is going to have "silenced" DMRs
different anon by the way
>US soldiers are perfectly bulletproof from 8mm mauser
it's sad that there are people who actually believe this
videogames have truly destroyed any chance of actual discussion on this site
>>28522406
I'm not the guy calling you out, I'm just correcting you. The other guy has yet to comment.
>>28522375
>Using an abbreviation
You didn't use an abbreviation.
>>28522411
>US troops can take any kit they want with them
Why not take silencers/suppresors?
>>28522431
What does dmr stand for?
>>28522364
>Those 4 soldiers have more firepower and ammo than the 20 Germans
>>28522434
I'm assuming by "any kit", he meant "any kit that can be issued"
suppressors tend to not be issued to average joe soldiers
>>28522444
>American soldiers only use M4s, there's no such thing as a M249 or 240B
>>28521497
>wait til night when thermals and NVG's give you a 100:1 advantage
>set up claymores, flare traps, and other shit all over
>AT4/SMAW/LAW/XM25 vs...what?
>optics
>body armor
Sure maybe if you stuck 5 female POGs with bare rifles and just their uniforms against 20 Wehrmact, it'd be in the Germans' favor, but damn.
>>28521611
>comparing a 5:1 small-unit skirmish to the literal 200:1 campaign where the Germans still won 3/4 of the battles...due to equipment and training
How do you remember to breathe?
>>28522472
>4 guys with M4s and SAWs have more firepower than 20 guys with StG 44s and MG 42s
>people unironically believe this
>>28522507
>literal 200:1 campaign
>>28521707
>let's take away the ONE weapon that can reliably penetrate soft armor while fighting guys wearing soft armor!
Yeah...don't think volume of fire would help them against people wearing armor capable of 100% reliably stopping the rounds contained in that volume of fire. That would basically mean the US soldiers are only capable of being incapacitated by a face/upper neck shot or a lucky thigh shot that gets the femoral. Compared to 8mm mauser which will reliably penetrate anything but the rifle plates.
>>28521865
Are you fucking retarded?
They specifically stop multiple hits from ARMOR PIERCING .30-06, which is both more powerful than 8mm mauser, and, well, ARMOR PIERCING.
>>28522026
>Wehrmacht carrying 20 stripper clips
...they carried 12. They only had 60 fucking rounds man.
Also US doctrine is AT LEAST 7 full mags. Basic load is 210 rounds. And they're free to carry more if they'd like. Not to mention the M203 gunner and the SAW gunner, and probably at least 1 guy with an AT4 or SMAW, with the possibility of everybody carrying a LAW.
>>28522392
Here we go again
Please somebody call the autism police before he starts flailing his arms at the TV again mother
>>28522123
>one hard night of operating.
Or one competently placed m203 grenade, since Wehrmact small-unit tactics, especially in urban areas, was to cluster up.
>hey Hans, how far do you think zee Amerikani jaegers can throw a grenade
>Not sure Ernst, but surely not 100m..
>poonk
>BOOM
>...well shite Hans.
i'd say Wehrmacht would win, they aren't undisciplined terrorists.
>>28522521
>the German army of less than 70,000 killed, as confirmed by both sides, over 2 million Soviet soldiers
>the German army didn't kill 100% of the Soviet army
Care to do the math on that one champ?
>>28522670
>the German army of less than 70,000
>>28522509
not everyone on the German side is going to have STG 44s and MG 42s, not to mention the American soldiers will have at least 1 SAW, as well as underbarrel grenade launchers
>>28522718
What do you mean "at least"? They're 4 guys.
>>28522040
Trips please go
>>28522440
D: Shit I
M: Could have
R: Googled
>>28522739
yeah, at the very least- normally only one guy is gonna have the SAW, hence the name Squad Automatic Weapon
I'd probably take an M4 with a 203 underbarrel launcher just because of the weight
>>28522807
Why do you evade the question?
>>28521488
hard as nails soviet slayers vs fobbits.
Why do so many of you guys assume that the US soldiers would be better at CQC than the Germans?
Wehrmacht fought for every inch against opponents that were also skilled in CQC (Soviets) but that had more manpower and equipment in Stalingrad, Berlin, Breslau etc.
US soldiers might have kicked down some doors in a mudhut belonging to a goatfucking dirtfarmer as their prime achievement in CQC,
>>28521602
Picture clearly shows late war veteran soviet slayers armed with Mp-43/StG-44.
>>28521488
US forces win and take zero casualties.
>hide till night time
>NODs on
>Germans get shrekt
>>28521658
Late war soviet slayers as evidenced from OPs image.
So the Wehrmacht troops are more than likely well experienced in urban combat on the Eastern Front.
>>28521488
Hard to say, the Germans might be better equip (definitely better trained) than some of the dune coons we fought in Afghan and we had support fighting them. The numbers could make all the difference in this case. I'd go with the Germans as long as they have access to everything the Wehrmacht had and not just KAR98 rifles. If you give the Americans 6 more guys or maybe a MRAP, the Germans probably wouldn't stand a chance.
>>28522739
>can take any kit they want
Hell even going by normal US doctrine that's 1 rifleman, a SAW gunner, and 2 grenadiers (1 normal and one FT leader). So 4 M4's, 2 m203's/m320's, and 1 SAW. SAW gunner also carries an M9, FT leader -might- have an M9
Now let's break it down. Going solely by doctrinal basic load that's ~1200 rounds of belted 5.56, (3x7 minimum) 630 rounds in 21, 30rd mags of 5.56, 2x6 HEDP and 2x4 "other" 40mm grenades, either 4 or 8 15rd 9x19 mags, plus the possibility of an AT4/SMAW-D/2 LAW's. Also, everybody (is supposed to) carry 2x frag grenades.
>total: 1890-2050 rds rifle/pistol ammo plus at least 12 and up to 24 projectile explosives and 16 hand grenades
Now with 20 Germans...
German doctrine was 1 GPMG (either MG34 or MG42) per 8-man squad. There will be 3 8-man squads plus a pair of floaters. So that's 3x400rds linked 8mm mauser. Squad leaders typically had either an MP40 or StG. So that's 3x (5x30) 150, so 450 rounds of either 8mmKurz or 9x19. Everybody else, so 14 people, get 60rds of 8mm mauser on stripper clips for a total of 840rds. Give the squad leaders and MG gunners a Walther P38, so 6x3x8rd mags for 144rds of 9x19. I have no idea on doctrine regarding hand grenades so give everybody 2 just for brevity.
>total of 2634 rounds of rifle/pistol ammo and 40 hand grenades, no projectile explosives
Going on basic load they're surprisingly close. Closer than I thought they'd be.
>>28522802
So I used an abbreviation?
How is this even a debate?
A German MG squad consisted of 4 guys who carried a total of 2500 rounds and up to 4 exchange barrels. Case closed.
>>28522820
evading what question? I'm saying normally there's going to be at least 1 dude with a SAW
>>28522026
Yall didn't forget about muh MG-42 right ? , 20 UberMensch Soldats , gotta be atleast one , with a heap of ammo shared between the riflemen.
Or did we forget that the German doctrine of the time was that the rifleman supported the MG not the other way around.
>>28522904
>US gets MRAP or up-armored humvee
>normal german platoon didn't carry anti-armor anything, they had dedicated anti-armor platoons
So the US just runs them over and wins without firing a shot. That's a bit one-sided for a thought experiment.
Also I'm pretty sure a PanzerShrek or PanzerFaust wouldn't hard-kill an MRAP, and they didn't have -anything- better other than 1 model of AT mine.
>>28522928
That's still only 4 MG's. Great for mowing down soviet conscripts in pre-determined killing funnels, shit at urban warfare considering they were designed to be emplaced positions and not highly mobile.
The US guys will fail because they will have a harder time doing the basic thing to win in combat, move and fire.
In addition with only 4 guys all it takes is one of them being downed and 25% of their firepower is gone, if the SAW gunner is hit it would be even worse.
Remember that even derkas have managed to wipe squads of US soldiers despite being the shittiest fighters on the planet.
>>28522054
saying this like there are not uncountable accounts of Allied troops picking up German weapons and using them in place of their issued gear.
>>28522964
Not with small-arms fire.
The only times they've taken out even a single fireteam is with IED's.
>>28522509
>>4 guys with M4s and SAWs have more firepower than 20 guys with StG 44s and MG 42s
That's correct.
>>28522555
>They specifically stop multiple hits from ARMOR PIERCING .30-06
This is incorrect.
The false information on this thread alone is astounding. No wonder we can't have a real discussion about this.
>>28522964
>derkas have managed to wipe squads of US soldiers
So you'd have no trouble at all giving us some details about just one time that this has happened, right?
>>28522928
Apparently one MG-42 for each US soldier is not enough , even with support from three other soldiers armed with K-98s and StG-44s.
America has the true Ubermensch Soldat.
Laughs in the face of sustained 7.92X57mm at 1200+ RPM.
>>28522960
>this whole post
>>28522718
This. Contrary to what people think, your average Wehrmacht soldier was armed with a K98 right up until 1945.
>>28521488
Depends on the situation.
Grassy plains or desert fighting toe to toe in broad day light with little to no cover?
Wehrmacht.
Any other situation?
U.S. Soldiers.
>>28521516
>muh claymore mines
4 Soldiers from a Rifle Platoon are NOT going to be carrying claymores, if you want to talk explosives, at least make it 4 assault pioneers vs 20 Wehrmacht Sappers.
Now that's out of the way, the Wehrmacht would probably win, unless they're really really stupid or late war platoon filled with replacements, the young, the old or the wounded.
>>28522980
IEDs was what I was referring to, but I was under the impression that it was a squad and not a fireteam that was wiped.
>>28522835
M4 carbine and M16 vs K98 and MP40.
Hmmmmm.
>>28522543
Dat reading comprehension
>>28523004
What tells you that ESAPI plates wont stop 8mm mauser?
>>28523069
Physics?
>>28523066
M16A1 and M60 vs SKS and MG34.
Hmmmmmm.
>>28523055
*coughs* Issued with a K98 , that is why they grabbed any and all reliable automatics they could get their hands on , such as PpSch-41 and M1928A1/M1A1 Thompsons.
And let us not forget all those Czech weapons that were captured , like the Brens chambered in 7.92X57mm and M1918s.
>>28522509
>MG42's run out of ammunition in five minutes due to a ridiculous rate of fire
>US soldiers rape them with 40mm grenades
>>28523069
>What tells you that ESAPI plates wont stop 8mm mauser?
So in other words, you have no evidence to support your claim.
Cute.
>>28521488
>What's the size of the village? When you consider that a village can consist from some tens of citizens to couple thousand it's not very clear.
>How's the village built and are the troops restricted to the village area?
>Are germans restricted to equiment visible in picture?
>Are US troops marines or army even?
These threads are so gay.
>>28523105
I am now imagining a WWII era German soldier getting his hands on a captured M4 carbine and grinning from ear to ear.
>>28523107
*horrendous face palm.
>>28523066
At least the MP40 and K98 won't jam as often.
>>28523060
Did OP specifiy regiment etc?
>US troops can take any kit they want with them
>>28522641
kek
>>28523119
Austim can be pretty rough.
>>28523122
http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/germanyww2.html
yup
>nearly 150 replies in and not a single person has answered the question
>it's just a giant circlejerk argument about what equipment each side has
>>28522946
Why do you keep capitalizing in the middle of compound words?
It's Panzerschreck and Panzerfaust. Are you the same guy who wrote UberMensch?
>>28523144
You clearly did not read the replies giving it to the hard as nails soviet slayers due to discipline , experience and greater numbers.
>>28521500
Underrated post
>>28523144
Did you read the thread?
i kek'ed
>>28523127
Learn to
>green text
>>28523130
They could bring as many claymores as they fucking wanted, at most they'll kill 1 or 2 when they enter whatever building. Then the germans chuck an SHG in every window and it's bye bye
>>28523108
I could say the same thing about you.
>>28523175
How do the "jews" win by a time travelling military engagement ?
Explain.
>>28523088
the 8mm is how powerful now again?
>>28523191
It's a village idiot. Put claymores in random places the Germans might walk past they dont have to defend their position.
Go to bed.
>>28522946
I'm pretty sure a panzerfaust could score a hard kill on an MRAP 200mm armor penetration and the overpressure generated by a kilo of pentol is pretty lethal. Also slat armor would be rendered useless by its base detonated fuze.
>>28523165
>soviet
This thread is about US and german troops, genius.
>>28523238
>slat armor would be useless against a panzerfaust
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>28523238
>slat armour would be rendered useless by its base detonated fuze
How is that going to stop the slat armour detonating it at a sub-optimal distance?
>>28523238
So does "kit" cover vehicles in US military lingo ?
When I was in the Australian Army 2001-2004 , kit was gear.
being things you could carry or potentially attach to things you could ride.
>>28523249
German World War 2 Troops are the SOVIET SLAYERS.
do you even into history ?
>>28523287
So what, World War 2 Soviet troops are the GERMANS-PUSHED-BACK-FROM-STALINGRAD-TO-BERLIN-ERS ?
>>28523300
NAZI KILLERS = Soviet Troop,
I am sorry that basic English is difficult for you.
>>28521707
>MPs
Except an IOTV with no plates will eat fire form any machine pistol for breakfast.
It's actually the worst choice of weapons they could bring, aside from throwing away the K98s for pistols.
>>28523310
No, pretty sure they pushed back Germans, Nazis made up a part of the forces they pushed back, but they weren't all Nazis.
Idiot.
>>28522195
>firebase
>silence DMR
>M240 at a chokepoint.
kekaroo
>>28523108
>>28523069
>>28523004
They're fucking level 4 plates and are thus rated for .30-06 with steel or tungsten penetrators.
This is basic fucking information. All of you get out.
>>28521488
This is easy as shit
>US soldiers bring up a white flag and surrender
>When the Germans capture them pull up a laptop and show them the modern state of Germany
>Germans kill themselves
US soldiers win
>>28522490
ZG 1229 Vampir?
There are always too many variables that go on to determine how the battle will play out.
>>28523357
Whoa , dude , using an IR lamp scope , you turn your sneaky sneaky in the dark scope into a massive target if the US troops are using passive image intensification NVG.
The IR lamp needed for the Vampir to work would look like a search light through modern NVG.
>>28523351
>giving WWII era Wehrmacht soldiers access to the greatest repository of knowledge the human race has ever known, including detailed documentation of the war they are currently participating in
Surely, nothing bad could come from this.
>>28523379
you mean blinding like a flashbang, making the NVGs useless
>>28523196
Because whites who could otherwise be friends and create a nice society are killing each other.
White on white crime is very sad
>>28522040
I liked your post actually, you can improve but it made me smile.
>>28521488
>Gee, Bill, How come your mom let's you have TWO IFAKs?
>>28523379
I was simply stating that the Germans did have rudimentary night vision.
And you really hurt my feelings.
>>28523267
Yes the slat would cause it to detonate at a further distance but even with a 50% drop in penetration would still possibly penetrate. Also rendered ineffective was a bad choice of words on my part. The main purpose of slat armor is to damage the piezoelectric fuse on the warheads of rpgs not act as standoff armor.
I love all this hypotheticals about the entire German force having STG's and night vision and shit, fucking Wehraboos
>>28523465
>The main purpose of slat armor is to damage the piezoelectric fuse on the warheads of rpgs not act as standoff armo
But this is wrong.
One of the main things slat armor does is carve up incoming RPG warheads. If you'd ever seen what happens to an RPG after it hits slat armor, you'd understand this - it literally shreds them like a cheese grater.
But go ahead and pretend that the odds of a slat perfectly striking a warhead's detonator are more likely if it makes you feel better. You probably get all of your info from videogames anyway and are immune to the real world at this point.
>>28522392
Supressor and silencer are synonyms faggot. This isn't clips vs. magazines.
>>28522392
So you're telling me the guy who invented the silencer didn't know the correct terminology?
Sometimes I feel like hitting my head against a brick wall would be more productive than going on /k/
>>28521488
Clearly the Wehrmacht - the size advantage is insurmountable, how can this be discussed? "Village" is a shitty description of an AO but if we're talking about a small, podunk farming village then we can assume some pretty wide sightlines, and if we restrict combat to being -within- the village then it'll be a very quick engagement.
Regardless of any individual disparities between equipment, 4 men are not going to be able to achieve fire superiority against 20, unless each one is carrying a goddamn SAW at the lightest - but that's getting into autistic rambo territory.
They are going to die like bitches as rifle fire comes from multiple directions with mixed in automatic fire from MPs, STGs, and MG34/MG42s. They'll surely kill a few of them, but as their attention is occupied they'll be gunned down from another direction.
Why is this being discussed? The situation offers 0 tactical flexibility, it's just a stand-up gunfight, and numbers matter in those.
Small team, CQB in a dense urban area using small teams against numerically superior foes? The US all the way, we basically specialize in this shit now.
Neither side would win.
They both team up and fight against the Soviets while being lead by Patton reborn.
>>28523598
Battle of Mogadishu
>>28521625
>and the rifle itself depending on how you look at it.
You can't be delusional enough to think that an Stg. 44 is in any way superior to an M16 or M4.
>>28523667
There's no fucking way in hell you could call Mogadishu a "Village," reread the OP.
Plus that was with CAS, up-armored vehicles and mounted weaponry, involving Rangers and SFOD-D - hardly typical Soldiers. In the given scenario the things that make modern-day soldiers more effective than their historical counterparts is mostly negligible, given the lack of an extreme tech gap.
>>28523667
Would have resulted in a slaughter of US troops without air support.
>>28523669
It is though.
>>28523394
>you mean blinding like a flashbang, making the NVGs useless
no more like illuminating the closest window to lob a grenade in.
>>28523144
20 will beat 4 even if they have body armor and nvgs.
>>28523745
Wrong tho =)
>>28521625
>Undisciplined general mongrels
AKA the bulk of any military's fighting force
>>28523761
why?
>>28523780
>being able to see in the dark with no repercussions
>not game changing
They'd literally have no chance.
>>28523803
Why would the engagement take place in the dark
>>28521488
2 Wehrmacht vs 20 US soldiers.
Fuck dude the Wehrmacht were ready to be soldiers since child education and have a very good training. The US soldiers are learning 3 months how to not shoot themselves and survive enough time against shitty civilians with Ak till the bombs come.
Remember that this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Weimar_Republic_1930.svg/247px-Weimar_Republic_1930.svg.png
Became this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6QalCvmF-IQ/Us16m3cySDI/AAAAAAAAyd4/9zoISlb78_8/s1600/Ateismo+cristianismo+dios+jesus+biblia+religion+catolicos+creyentes+Hitler+ss+nazis+segunda+guerra+mundial+alemania+reich+vaticano+espa%C3%B1a+yugoslavia+albania+italia+mussolini+ocupacion.png
>>28521488
You didn't specify what U.S. soldiers op. If its a team of navy seals, who routinely operate while outnumbered, then the germans are gonna get raped.
>night vision
>grenade launchers
>advanced firearm optics
>modern radios
>superhuman training
>claymore mines
The Germans don't stand a chance if the seals have proper leadership and its gonna be even better at night.
>>28523825
Because it's four vs 20 and US infantry don't engage at those odds unless there's a severe advantage.
>>28523852
>The engagement will occur when it's favorable to us because I SAID SO!
What happens if the engagement isn't at night
>>28523839
>superhuman training
They aren't goddamn super soldiers. They die like everyone else.
>>28521611
a couple tanks and handful of hitler youth stalled the entire British army for over a week at Caen
in one engagement near berlin, 4 Tiger IIs destroyed over 130 soviet heavy tanks
the professionalism of the nazers was pretty high
>>28523510
No need to be so upset buddy.
As you stated slat starts to deform the warhead and ultimately stops it from detonating damaging the fuse or the fuses ability to detonate the charge ( your stated cheese grater effect). Talking about the panzershreick ammunition the slat would have a similar effect however my initial point that I'll admit I didn't explain well it's that the panzerfaust uses a base detonated inertia fuse. As soon as the projectile began to slow from meeting the slats resistance the striker would move forward detonating the charge.
>>28523839
>navy seal soldiers
>>28523733
>heavier
>less accurate
>less controllable
>less reliable
>7.92x33
Small arms tech might not have advanced much since WW2, but manufacturing, material science, and ballistics has.
>>28523865
I'll be honest, if the engagement is not at night, and close quarters, it's likely the modern guys would lose. Even if everyone isn't just outright killed, but they'd certainly be forced to retreat.
Thermals may be a bit of a different issue, but since it's urban ranges anyway eyes are very viable. It would be messy, people would get killed, I'd wager more snazzys would die than the US guys, but I doubt the US dudes would win.
>>28523952
>heavier
dyel
>less accurate
citation needed
>less controllable
dyel
>less reliable
citation needed
>7.92x33
more stopping power
>>28524091
Agreed on all points, I just dislike the idea that the two forces could pick and choose their conditions. That's not how these sorts of things work. Under doctrine, US Army would never engage a numerically superior force period. At best they'd set up an OP near them and drop fire/air support on their heads, but never a direct engagement.
The Nazis would put more thought into attacking any position they found than simply "Yeah send like 20 dudes at it," even if it's only "yeah send like 20 dudes and a few half-tracks at it."
>>28521488
lol at 1488 No. OP nice get
Anyway most american infantry men the standard cant do shit without support especially when pinned down like they seem to often get. Everyone keeps saying superior equipment well they struggle to kill dune coons with soviet AKs and call support every 3 minutes. many soldiers REALLY REALLY dont want to fight and even MORE dont want to die. The Wehrmacht did not give a FUCK if they dropped dead in battle. End of it.
When we get some nationalism quit following the UN for everything and being cucks I will change my opinion.
>>28521500
Severely underrated post.
>>28524217
>The Wehrmacht did not give a FUCK if they dropped dead in battle. End of it.
muh ubermensch
>>28524196
Yeah but no situation was specified, that's why I'm saying at night the ball is in the modern court, nazis have no form of technology to adequately counter, and any form of illumination they have access to would blare their position to the moderns.
At day the numbers make the case, the special tech tricks are evened out, and the modern equipment, while giving a solid edge man for man, likely wouldn't be able to make up for the odds.
Because no specific situation was specified it makes sense to discuss both day and night as viables, if the moderns can't pick it at night, the nazis can't pick it at day, vice versa.
>>28524217
>>28524276
Sure, no problem with any of that. I thought that when you posted >>28523852 you were implying that the modern forces would somehow be able to hold the initiative in any case, which I drew umbrage with.
In the day it would go to the Snazziboos, in the night it would go the Americans.
Basically OP was shit and he should feel like shit.
>>28524289
>Hitler youth
>wehrmacht
...Really they were 8 years old and forced. The true volunteers were fearless.
US soldiers would start crying and run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PndNRMUmuBE
>>28521635
You must be extremely retarded.
There were 4 SEALs. You're implying there were only 8 Taliban? Every SEAL there probably killed 16 Taliban individually.
>>28524371
These people CRY and pout and fear everything and come back and scream PTSD PTSD PTSD after hearing guns be fired far away. Literally they would drop their guns and take off.
>>28524393
>Large scaled taliban force
>spot the civilian
The seals are tough VERY tough but open field battle if numbers are against you and you have no tactical points in terrain your done.
>>28524367
>no true scotsman
Disregarded.
>>28521488
I love the US military i think 4 nam or korea soldiers would hold steady against the wehrmacht I would say even the americans from the revolution with muskets would hold steady. Mentality and how bad YOU WANT TO WIN is everything. you gotta think now we got women in combat roles, lack of moral, no one wants to fight, patriotism is dying, and most people grew up being babied.
>>28524289
You know he is kid right? A FUCKING KID IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WORLD WAR 2!
That attitude is the attitude of the professionals soldiers of US today.
Given the numbers advantage on the Germans and assuming daylight, the Germans.
If it takes place at night the US troops have a massive upper hand.
>>28523061
Then that falls outside the scope of this mental clusterfuck because those take a LOT of time to make and even more time to emplace.
And no, the US has -never- lost an entire squad to a single attack since Vietnam. It's had a few rendered combat ineffective (>40% casualties), but not outright killed.
Also, for the sake of this thread, taking a bunch of random Germans from no later than 1945 and expecting them to know how to even make an IED is laughable.
>>28523204
Gonna go ahead and answer it for the Wehraboo.
>it is about 15% less powerful than .30-06
>German troops were at no point issued AP ammo
>it stands a 0% chance of penetrating an ESAPI and about a 1% chance of penetrating a SAPI
>>28521488
Assuming all other factors are the same besides training and equipment (equal amount of actual combat experience for all soldiers, etc), I think the US forces would have a slight edge in this matchup. Remember, the US troops in this scenario are allowed to take any kit they like before being dropped in, and as a result we can also assume they have at least some idea of what they're up against. The German troops, meanwhile, do not have this advantage, and will be thrown into battle without any kind of knowledge whatsoever about their opponent. Their confusion at being unable to identify their opponent will quickly turn into panic as the US troops use their advanced kit to ambush the German forces. On top of this, if the German forces are armed with Stg44s like the photo suggests, they will have difficulty penetrating modern body armor, while the American troops will have no such issue. Even if the Germans manage to regroup and pull through, they will sustain heavy casualties.
>>28523803
natural night vision varies among people and it's almost never perfectly dark. out of 20 you'd get a few guys who can spot movement in moonlight and batteries run out.
>>28523865
Then the side that needs the night for superiority withdraws and waits for night?
Is that hard to understand?
>>28521635
>illiterate mudfarmers
Who happen to have automatic weapons chambered in 7.62
Put enough lead in the air at once, and it's a losing situation for any infantry
>>28521488
The answer is so obvious
>the greatest generation of men vs generation of dragon dildo fuckers and child rapists
>>28521635
>4 SEALs
>vs. estimates ranging from 85 to 230 taliban with support and IDF
Yeah that's totally 2:1 because at the best 85=8 somehow right?
>>28521498
samurai jack figured it out.
>>28524936
yeah but the US forces don't have samurai jack with them, do they?
So general consensus is:
Direct daylight engagement - Wehrmacht wins
Literally anything else - Army wins
>>28522040
so basically gemans win
Russia
>>28521488
20 wartime conscripts vs 4 professionals
Who wins a round of golf between 50 children and 1 Tiger Woods?
Despite having better equipment, it's still just 4 guys.
It doesn't matter what they do, they'll probably be surrounded and shot at from all sides.
The only possible way for them to win is to find somewhere that has only one entrance, in which it'd be a fight between grenades etc. in which the US soldiers would be fucked cus nowhere to run.
On the other hand, if no explosives where involved, it'd still be 20 people shooting at them.
TL;DR Germans win thanks to superior numbers.
>>28522195
where did you learn such insight?
battlefield 4?
>>28522919
No, you used an acronym. And they're on your ass for using silencer as a colloquialism
>>28521488
Are we talking stg44 and hand grenade equipped elite stormtroopers fresh off the eastern front or green as shit scrubs with mausers?
>>28521905
No.
>hunker down in the most defendable position you can find in the village
>wait for night
>remove schnitzel at night with massive advantage from NV
Guts vs 25 wehrmachr soldiers
>>28523839
>Navy
>Soldiers
>>28522040
Jesus christ dude, calm down. Quit trying so hard and take off the trip, nobody cares who you are
>>28523627
>us
>specialized in being outnumbered
Except that's wrong.
>>28524217
You do know america is a nationolist courty right
Flags every where
Pledge of alegence every morning
Pro capitalism
Hatred ffor communism
Gung ho for war
>>28521488
If the US forces can find a strong position in a building they'd kill a whole lot of germans
>>28524487
>I was born in the wrong generation, waaaah
>this generation sucks, eveeything was better and butterflies in the past
>>28525854
plus the advantage of body armor, and fire support
>>28521658
Dumbass. The Germans were extensively trained in hand to hand combat. The doctrine of CQB in WW2 was to run in with your machine gun and shoot everyone in the room much like today. If the jerries had MP40's, STG-44s, then they would do just fine against the US soldiers.
>>28523663
Underpated rost
>>28525907
>mp40s
Right.
>9mm sub machine gun
>useful against modern infantry
Pick one.
>>28521488
> urban environment the size of a village
>US troops have no aerial weaponry or support
The Germans will win. They have the numbers, they have their own grenades, machine guns, snipers rifles, etc. It's just a small area the size of a village.
A village is small and no one would have a defensive position at the start so it's a race for strategic areas. If the Germans started throwing grenades at a fortified position, 20 of those would obliterate it in one go.
4 vs 20 is kind of unfair, since the Germans were well-trained soldiers as well.
>>28523915
>No need to be so upset buddy.
Post hidden.
Like I said, don't get all your info from videogames. It leads to silly posts like yours.
>>28521488
4 Wehrmacht would easily take 4 us soldiers of today. The combat experience is vastly weighted towards the germans.
>>28527795
combat experience doesn't stop you from getting shot in the face.
experience is great and all, but its training that matters. If the soldiers aren't boots or nasty guard they'll be fine.
>guy vs guy
>no external support
>urban enviroment
not to be a wehraboo but holy shit those poor us soldierts gonna get blitzkrieg'd
