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Are Revolver manufacturers required to install internal locks by law? Or is it merely caving to political pressure? Is it a state by state issue?
I think it's only specific manufacturers that do it. I know Ruger doesn't.
The same conglomerate that owns S&W also owns an integral gun lock company/patents. S&W management publicly sided with Clinton on gun locks for this reason and perhaps others, and they remain on new S&W revolvers to this day.
>>28465050
Makes me sad.
Then again getting a GP would make me pretty happy.
makes me glad my safe is full with older S&W's like a .41 mag M&P, a Victory Model and a super clean M-66.
My only wheelgat is an SP191, what are y'all talking about and should I avoid an S&W because of it?
>>28465754
>SP191
101
I have nobody to blame but myself
>>28465028
Why is it bad? I'm ignorant. Please educate.
Ruger does. My lcr has one hidden in the grip.
>>28465028
Spend 30 seconds and look it up yourself.
S&W is starting to re-release versions of their pistols without them. I noticed since I've been shopping for a snub nose lately, the 442 is one example, they advertise it clearly on several sites. I think they'll likely phase them out on models meant to be carried more than target shooting
>>28465805
It's not. It's the same as the people who complain when the car dings at you to buckle your seatbelt.
They think hillary holes are some super unconstitutional attack on their 'rights' that they take as personal offense.
Don't want your gun to be locked and unable to fire? Don't lock the lock on your gun that renders it unable to be fired.
>>28465805
Very limited reports of the lock accidentally engaging itself while shooting. Rare and unlikely, but the odds are enough to turn some people away from trusting their life to a revolver equipped with one
>>28465805
It's not about the function, it's about a major American gun manufacturer (and cultural icon) collaborating with the Clinton administration.
They were buddying up with those in power so they would have people they were on good terms with to put in a good word for them when future gun control went down.
Like how Bill Ruger was vocal about never selling folding stocks or 30 rounders to the general public, and his flagship autoloader, the Mini-14, just so happened to be exempted from the AWB. (The antis initially wanted a full-on ban on semi-autos. Bill was was one of the ones who negotiated them down to a ban on features.)
>>28466257
>pistols
>>28466341
>>pistols
>>28466283
If you take a look at how the thing is engineered, you can see how easy this thing could jam the action. Especially in a light gun with +P loads and a pussy grip.
>>28466341
Sorry faggot, but many people, incorrectly or not, refer to all hand-shooty-bangs as pistols or handguns, and specify revolver or semi auto if need be
I bet you correct strangers when they said clip instead of just carrying on the conversation
>>28466260
Revolver lock holes are ugly as fuck and unecessary
Remi 870 J-lock in the house
Thanks all! That was informative!
Hopefully it's possible to disable the lock so there's no risk of it fouling the action... Guess it just means more research before purchasing.
>>28466260
First thing I do on any rental is open the manual and turn that seatbelt bong sound off.
>>28467559
just get a GP100
>>28467588
Match Champion in the house!
>>28466813
I don't know anybody who calls a revolver a pistol. People often call them handguns because they are. They are not pistols, not that I would really give a shit if someone called it that. I say silencer all the all the time.
Anyway, even with the HIllary Hole, I'd take a smith over a Ruger any day. The spring system is better, the double action feel is better and most importantly of all, you can spin the cylinder by it's ejector rod. Ruger doesn't allow for that and its' an extremely rewarding perk of owning a Smith.
>>28467787
revolvers are pistols
>>28467787
>revolvers.. are not pistols
they have been since the very beginning with the Colt Paterson revolving pistol.
pic semi related Colt advertisement from 1851
>>28467991
Colt didn't start making cartridge revolvers til 1869-71.
>>28465050
Damn them, that's just bad news for the gun industry all together.
>>28467609
FUCK I wish that thing had a full underlug.
>>28468085
point being, if the man who invented the revolver considered them pistols and were marketed as pistols, they're pistols.
pis·tol
ˈpistl/
noun
noun: pistol; plural noun: pistols
1. a small firearm designed to be held in one hand.
Its part of S&W being a terrible shitty anti gun company at one time in the 90s, and being too fucking lazy to fix it decades later.
That being said the Hilary Hole can be removed in about 3 minutes with a hammer a screwdriver and a paperclip. However that voids the warranty, and when your hunk of shit S&W revolver inevitably breaks good luck getting a refund.
>>28468223
>S&W being a terrible shitty anti gun company
>>28466260
Except your example sucks. The internal lock can jam, especially with J-Frames and +P loads. You know, the shit you'd be carrying for self defense.
This is more like having a seatbelt design that greatly reduces child strangulation, but in the event of a crash it may not work. It's a valid concern.
>>28468304
do you have a citation for jams or is this speculation? I've never head of a Hilary Hole malfunction, you know there would have been a huge stink made of it.
>>28468298
But it was.
Much like HK today.
>>28468452
>gun company being anti-gun
dude
>>28468452
>Much like HK today.
How misinformed are you. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a troll because nobody can be this retarded.
>>28468476
>>28468461
Go ahead. Call HK customer service up and tell them you need assistance with your product. The next things you will hear are
>What military or police orginization are you in
>Youre not?
>*click
Also - RFID chips in the fucking guns. Molded into the poloymer. You want to take them out? Enjoy cutting your $1500 glock in half with a hacksaw.
>>28468505
a small movement in 1950's America, to differentiate between revolvers and semi-auto's as revolver and pistol has barely taken hold and certainly never established as a definite rule. even if we are generous and go with your definition the revolver was considered a pistol for 114 years before someone tried to make a distinction. 114 years. the revolver pistol was around for at least 60 years before the semi-auto pistol was invented.
Revolvers are Pistols senpai
>>28468549
>RFID chips
Are you fucking kidding? Source pls. My dad just bought an HK45.
>>28468549
none of which makes them anti-gun you fucking numb-nut
>>28468549
It's for LEO maintenance records and you can pop it out with a knife causing no damage.
>>28468623
>My dad just bought an absurdly overpriced Desert Eagle chambered in 45 clown caliber with absolutely no real world application, $70 magazines, and a tracking device inside it
>FTFY
>>28468647
Just you wait until they come out with HK™ brand® patented smartgun© technology and legislation is passed that it's the only gun you can own and it costs $4,000 for the VP™9© tier model.
>>28465805
An unnecessary complication and one more fail point.
>>28468722
Take off the tin foil
>>28468704
He wouldn't care he's a millionaire (in some countries). He just insists that HK is the best gun brand, and I can see why some would think that. They're indeed high quality, and you're indeed butthurt you can't afford their products.
I tried to sell him on the FNX45 with 5 more rounds capacity but he didn't wanna because it was a "no-brand"
>mfw he shot my FNS and put a dime sized grouping on paper with such a shitty "no brand" gun
>mfw I put a quarter size group in with his HK and we wanted to switch but now I'm iffy about the obamachip being in it
Where does the chip send info to?
>>28465050
To be fair, they've started releasing models with no locks, beginning with the most popular J-frames.
Also I wouldn't say they "sided with Clinton" so much as "did what they had to do to avoid being sued into a shadow of their former self like Colt, or sued out of existence like any of those other poor saps".
>>28466312
>The antis initially wanted a full-on ban on semi-autos
That would at least have been consistent. Dumb and unconstitutional, but still.
>>28468769
Look up RFID, it only for local area scanning. Local as in within a couple meters.
>>28466312
There are worse things.
GW Junior was a fucking moron.
The kindest thing I can say about him is that he was basically a cipher for his cabinet and executive branch in general.
>>28468769
The chip doesn't send anything anywhere and its installed on LE/Gov models for record keeping of maintenance and round count etc. You can remove them if you're freaking out.
>>28468769
RFID is a passive device. It only sends info when a active reader is within something like 100 feet.
It probably just sends stuff like serial and model.
>>28468917
Yeah until they install gun detection RFID readers everywhere.
>>28467588
Bringing the sex!
>>28468609
>a small movement in 1950's America,
>>28468836
The slide and frame are both metal right? If there is a conductive path between them, an RFID chip sandwiched between them probably can be read at a few cm. Unless they made some sort of antenna integral with the weapon, it could easily just be for inventory control on a very expensive product.
>>28469293
Considering how easy it is to clone those, I want to see some concert venue try this. As soon as it's known about, some smartass kids are going to pool together $50, order a roll of a few thousand writable RFID stickers, and sticker everyone going into the venue.
Just imagine how easy it would be to get people to wear them to a political really, if you printed vote for <insert name here> on them, and handed them out in the parking lot before the doors opened.
>>28467559
There was a guy in West Viginia maching plugs that matched different finish S&W revolvers. I heard he got swamped and quit. Google "Smith Wesson plug" and you'll find it.
>>28471931
might as well show all the pics...
>>28471949
>>28471957
>>28471968
>>28471975
Whatever you do, resist the urge to pry on the side plate.
>>28471978
Rapping the frame while holding it loose in your hand is the ONLY way to do this.
>>28471995
>>28472005
>>28472013
Have to slightly pull trigger on hammer less gun to get main spring out obviously.
>>28472026
>>28467787
>I don't know anybody who calls a revolver a pistol. People often call them handguns because they are. They are not pistols, not that I would really give a shit if someone called it that. I say silencer all the all the time.
Did somebody say "Holes"?!?
>>28472035
>>28472044
Eh. but not Hillary's of course. He hasn't seen that one in over 30 years.
>>28472045
This flag blocks the hammer when the lock is turned to "L". Removing this is all you need to do if you don't have a plug.
>>28472074
I had a plug so it's going in.
>>28472079
>>28466312
>putting in a good word for future gun control
Wut? Its more like
>trying to get technology that they owned made into mandatory equipment.
It was a business move
>>28472086
>>28472110
>>28467787
Ruger makes stronger guns cheaper, also I've never felt the need to spin my cylinder by the ejector rod.
>>28472106
They had to put it on every gun because had they given the consumer a choice, the market would have preferred non locked guns by a 98 to 2 margin. I bought my Airweight with Hillary hole for just under 300.00 because the LGS had both in stock at the time and couldn't sell them at list.
>>28472114
>>28472137
nice content broski
>>28472131
But that wouldn't have been the case if the government mandsted that all guns have safeties which is what S&W was hoping for.
>>28472110
>>28472114
Nice homemade revolver anon.
>>28465028
There is no law. S&W just did it. I love their guns but hate how they do business.
>>28472147
>unshaved legs
>>28472178
>shaving legs
>being unnormal
>not being warm
>>28472180
>not shaving legs
>not being /k/ute
>implying your gear won't keep you warm
>>28472137
Next I'll get rid of this little fucker...
>>28472191
Are you me? I deleted the lock in my 686p and in my springfield range officer.
Also polished the trigger and hammer on the 686p, looks like ass unpolished IMO.
>>28472217
That looks sweet polished.
>>28472217
Easy to do?
>>28472217
I'd polish my hammer but I would be the only one to know it.
>>28472234
thanks m8
>>28472235
Polishing? Yeah, I just used mother's and some elbow grease.
>>28472242
kek
>>28472217
Did you replace the MSH on the Springfield or just gut it?
>>28472265
Replaced it with an s&a magwell MSH and an Ed Brown 21# mainspring.
>>28472258
Sorry, meant removing the internal lock.
I also have a 686+ that I'd like to clean up.
>>28472280
Yeah. I have the GI model and can't match up the parkerizing to my satisfaction.
>>28472287
It's pretty easy, I just kind of winged it.
>>28472299
Mine doesn't match really but it doesn't bother me much.
>>28468704
To be fair, the H&K Mk23 and the MkXIX Desert Eagle cost the same new.
