Holy shit guys:
https://youtu.be/UVJHVqgXRVI
A "binary" trigger system that fires a round when you pull the trigger and when you release it. How long until the maker of it is v8?
>>28438746
A bullet fired on release is a neat idea. It would let you aim without the whole. Pull don't squeeze shit. But it looks retarded.
>>28438746
>How long until the maker of it is v8?
I think you mean v&... but that aside, as soon as the ATF even catches a whiff of it.
>>28438755
They said that the ATF approved it already.
>>28438746
>>28438755
considering this is a common feature on high end shotguns (look into release triggers, release pull, etc) i doubt the feds will cry about it
>>28438765
The sticky situation is that it's two shots with one pull of the trigger... sorta
>>28438746
Sounds like a great way to fuck up your follow through
What kind of moron thinks this is a good idea?
>>28438776
You're dumb...
>>28438765
Yeah, but it's on an evil Assault Rifle 15 with high capacity clips now.
>>28438776
It's just supposed to be a fun thing like bumpfire stocks and whores.
>>28438754
It's nothing new, trap shooters have been using release triggers for a long time.
How would one work with a bump fire stock?
>>28438795
Horribly.
>>28438795
absolute madman
>>28438795
Think of the chilluns pls dear god
>>28438795
it wouldnt
God dammit. When full auto is outlawed, gunnuts invent this as a loophole. How much firepower do you even need to stop a nignog coming into your house?
>>28438825
All of it.
>>28438825
bad b8 is bad
>>28438746
I'm just sitting here hoping for an AK version before the ATF suddenly takes back their position of accepting it and makes a big stink about it
Sweet double-tapping Jesus.
>>28438866
My thoughts exactly and for about the same price as a bumpski. This is could into a viable alternative to full auto for 3-gun people.
>>28438854
No b8. What's with americans and disrespecting the goverment's lawmaking? They say: Please don't use full auto, and this shit is invented.
>>28438889
>What's with americans and disrespecting the goverment's lawmaking
PLS GO!
>>28438889
The dog is you and the woman is the government.
>>28438889
>implying our nigger president has earned a shred of respect
>>28438889
Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe the government's wrong and the new law they concoted isn't the will of the people they supposedly represent?
>>28438931
Suggesting that his skin color has anything to do with our opposition to his presidency is insulting to us all.
Go fuck the fuck off. I don't like him because I disagree with him, it has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
>>28438746
100% legal. The initial pull and the release are individual manipulations of the trigger. Same reason gatling guns are legal. You can modify a Mini 14 to do this with a paperclip, no one's been v& for that.
>>28438954
I still can't find a good tutorial for this, pls halp?
>>28438954
The ATF will find a way to shit all over it.
>>28438789
I like you.
>>28438963
Your google fu is weak, grasshopper. I don't have a good link saved since I have an AR 15 like a real person. There should be a video kicking around youtube.
>>28438746
It would take me a while to find it, but I believe the ATF has stated in the past that something like this would be legal. They interpret "a firearm that discharges more than once with a single pull of the trigger" very, very, very literally.
Of course, the ATF is known to change their mind on a whim, so, there's that.
>>28439002
>Of course, the ATF is known to change their mind on a whim, so, there's that.
Which they will once a few thousand people buy it, then they'll demand all the people that bought them turn them in.
>>28438978
That's their new mandate. I honestly don't care since I don't have much interest in the concept, but it's legal now and no one's going to get vanned for buying one. The worst that would happen is losing whatever money you drop on the product.
>>28438772
No its not, these have been done any plenty of rifles allready.
>>28438746
OP this isnt news, kill yourself
How do you not fire the second shot though? It makes me feel a bit uneasy knowing it will go off when I release the trigger, and it could be an issue at 3-guns if you finish a stage with an odd number of shots.
>>28439036
you put it onto single.
>>28438952
Out of all the responses you got you attacked the weakest one. Faggots like you are the reason cartels kill the innocent.
>>28438746
Imortan Joe awaits him in Vahalla where he shall be shiny & chrome. WITNESS HIM!
>>28439082
maybe we need IDs here, or at least flags... because whoever you think I am, I'm not.
>Live in Canada
>It'd be too hard to smuggle one across the border in my ass or something
Fuck. I want it. Can these things be 3D printed or something?
>>28439151
Might as well just go real full-auto since either would be illegal.
Over 800 dollars for that? Maybe when it drops...
>>28439165
That'd be pretty difficult, Anon. I mean, hypothetically, if there was information available on how to do so correctly, I know of people who would consider an 80% to mill out quietly and make F/A for when the confiscation/SHTF happens, since Marstar's parts kits contain the correct parts, but these people I know of don't know where to look for the differences between a regular and F/A lower and the extra holes/milling required.
>>28438746
>all those complications
>>28439208
800 is probably the whole lower, the trigger is 399
>>28439128
IDs would be best. Flags would not be optimal unless you break them down to state flags and foreign nation flags with province/state flags for them as well. Even then they won't be as good as IDs.
>>28439233
That's just because he was pulling the trigger too fast. Something tells me a second generation with either a heavier spring or long trigger pull would help alleviate the occasional issues
Someone educate me on this guys AR ? I want it. Is it expensive af ?
>>28439298
Did you even listen to/watch the video?
>>28439284
Thats my thinking too. If Im going to get one it wont be first generation.
>>28438789
>Bumpfire stocks and whores
You're my kind of nigga.
>>28439269
>lets stop being anons!
>BAN ANONYMITY
Uhh guys...
>>28438825
Guaranteed replies, the post.
>>28439298
> Google, nigger.
Franklin Amory's BFS lower is $730ish
Drop in trigger is about $340ish
I'm thinking of buying a complete lower,it will complete my second AR beautifully, other is slide-fire'd (the $99 one).
More firepower ALWAYS equals better.
>>28438889
Government is the servant of the people and better get it's act right before we put it back in it's place.
>>28439229
Are the blueprints not available on murdercube.com?
>>28438889
>What's with americans and disrespecting the goverment's lawmaking?
If you need to ask why, you wouldn't understand.
>>28439331
The id's are thread specific like the trip code I just made up right now. Flags prevent all the asinine questions about jurisdiction when someone asks gun law questions. Say what you want but /pol/ got this one right.
>>28438746
>A "binary" trigger system
Please dont fucking call it that.
>>28439036
After holding the trigger for a certain amount of time it disables second shot. You can also keep the trigger held down, switch your selector to single and let go of the trigger just fine.
>>28439441
How about a systematically triggered non-binary?
>>28438755
No, he means how long until the owner makes enough money to buy a V8 Mustang.
>>28439308
I personally can't wait for this thing to be cloned and improved with some kind of rate reducer so the price drops and it becomes more reliable.
>>28439463
you need to flip the selector to semi or safe to disable the second shot while the trigger is being held Down.
I wanna make a 7.62x39 pistol with one of these and take it to my CCW class
What if I squeeze the trigger and then don't want the second round to go off on release?
>>28439779
Point it up.
>>28439779
place the weapon semi or safe
>>28439779
You can switch the fire mode while having the trigger squeezed.
Just like with full auto
Does it come with an Asian guy?
https://youtu.be/DnpABM_wZPI
>>28439107
I see what you did there..
>>28439779
If you pulled for one you might as well get another
>>28439439
You mean IDs?
>>28439439
>>28439439
>/pol/ was right...
Again.
this trigger is reAlly neat
Mini 14 owners have known about this for a while. Like the Sig brace, it will be legal until too many people ask about it and the ATF changes it's mind.
>>28439822
The rooftop Koreans are improving.
>>28438755
The ATF has repeatedly stated that it's okay and has held that opinion for years (see answer 17 in pic related). Trigger groups capable of this have been available for the Mini 14 since some time in the 90s (when the ATF first made that ruling) and I'm honestly surprised it took this long for a company to release a trigger group like this for the AR-15.
>>28438772
Two shots with one triggerpull, but two shots with two trigger actions.
>>28438746
Bidirectional triggers, even with a selector switch, are nothing new. I'm building an XM4 clone pistol right now with one.
>>28438859
>>28438978
>>28439002
>>28439019
>>28439020
>>28440583
See >>28440683, the ATF has held this ruling for about 20 years now, if it was something like the Sig brace they would have gone back on the ruling before 4chan was even a thought.
Once the trigger is pulled once, if one were to decide to not let the second round go, how do you stop it? Flip it safe? This sounds dangerous to me...
I wan't a circular trigger, kind of like pic rel. Shit would be gucci af
>there's people on /k/ who haven't even used these
>>28441792
Hand crank triggers are already thing.
>>28441055
If you hold the trigger for long enough, the second shot will not fire. I don't know how long it takes, or how it exactly it does that, but you can see him demonstrating that in the video above.
I would personally not use it for that reason though, because I don't necessarily have faith in something like that. Also, constant jams is kinda of a no no to me.
Hey guys I've been following development of this trigger since shotshow last year
This trigger is not completely drop in, some guys on arfcom couldn't get it in multiple lowers, it needs to be custom fitted to each lower, honestly although the price is excessive I think your best bet is to get the complete lower from them.
>>28438963
pretty easy, and a staple works too
there are two sears in a Mini-14, one that catches the hammer when it is pushed back by the bolt, when you release the trigger, the primary sear then catches it until you pull the trigger
these two sears are spring loaded, so all you need to do to turn it into a binary fire gun like this is wedge a staple or other small object between the two
it slightly spreads them so that the main sear wont catch
I've circled the area where you insert the paperclip or staple or whatever
just drop the hammer, open the two sears a bit and wedge it in
>>28438825
>>28438825
At the point in time when bullets can pass through the inter-dimensional walls. When firepower takes up the entirety and eternity of space and time, all being stuck in a never-ending life and death cycle as bullets recover and destroy their bodies in quick succession. No one is able to think about anything but the sheer force of the bullets rapidly flying literally everywhere in the materium turning the warp itself into nothing but a sea of automatic weaponry.. Then there will be enough dakka. Or, at least almost.
>>28438755
no he means how long until the maker of it gets some v8 juice. you know for his health.
>>28438825
>bill of needs
Could you make a trigger that connects to the bolt somehow, then when the bolt comes back into battery it knocks the trigger out to before it's breakpoint, so all you need to do is apply steady even pressure to the trigger and the bolt makes the trigger reset itself with no need to release the trigger?
>>28442725
MG
the real thing to do would be to incorporate some sort of disconnector the keep the hammer from dropping until the bolt is in battery, eliminating hammer follow problems
>>28439128
>suggesting i.d. on an anonymous Bangladeshi fingerpainting board
>anonymous
>anon
Kill yourself.
You have the gun.
>>28438825
die
>>28442300
Why I keep coming back, this post.
>was hyped about this trigger
>faux 2-round burst
>see this review
>they couldn't fix hammer follow
If you're going to design a trigger like this, you need to make sure hammer follow is non-existent.
>>28438746
>government bans full auto cause it is too dangerous
>free market makes a system that fires at higher rate than full auto
>government approves it
>>28438889
Fuck the government. That's exactly what this is about. They don't have our best interests in mind, they have their personal interests in mind.
>>28439494
>>28438889
Because we know it's bullshit, and they know it too.
>well you can register a new MG for 200$, and about a 9 month waiting period
Oh, that's not too bad, really. I mean, it takes a while, but at least I can have it.
>meanwhile in 1986: LOL FUCK YOU GUYS
Dude what the fuck? Nobody wanted thi
>LAWL we represent what we want to
Anyways, people want full auto, yet don't have 5000 fucking dollars for a beat to shit gun.
>>28439151
>go to US
>buy binary system
>put in duffel bag with clothes
>don't act shady at border
>canuck border control won't search every single bag that passes the border
>>28443560
5k?
There's this full auto mac 10 in a gun store near me that's absolutely trashed (gouged, finish is nearly gone, dented, broken trigger guard) an unironic 13,000$ price tag.
>>28442300
>>28438746
>Inb4 retards mail the ATF about it forcing them to make a ruling
>>28442806
Other boards on 4chan have them as well as other chans. You are still anonymous but in every thread you get a new gibberish trip code. And your countries flag if you do it like /pol/.
>>28438746
Does anyone make a non retarded FN MAG58? Can we design binary triggers for GPMG's & HMG's?
Binary trigger PKM when?
I think I'd have to shoot one of these to make a decision when reset is so important in a firearm. Does it fire when the trigger resets? I suppose you could still be accurate with one if the trigger had a nice reset. I personally would never buy one though.
>>28438825
i need a nuke
fuck you
>>28438912
hah
>>28442300
>>28438746
sweet jesus, that one guy named zack in the comment section being absolute butt ravaged about ATF coming to his house and just being negative pussyboi all over.
>>28442864
The next gen will probably fix most of the issues
>>28438825
You know what, this is America good sir. I have the freedom to use whatever, whenever I so fucking deem so to defend my home. Retard fast firing gun? Yes please. But it would not stop there. I want to invoke fear into the hearts of those who are attempting to or think about stealing from me. That's why my home defense weapon is a god damn Czech 26.5mm flare pistol loaded with parachute flares. You know what's in the flares? Fucking white phosphorus. You know what's banned by the Geneva Convention? That's right, Willy fucking Pete. You know where my house is? It's not in a god damn war zone, but I will make sure that the random redguard thinking my own home is a safe gateway to free rims and subwoofers via the pawning of my goods is met with the power of fucking hellfire. That's right. I will fire a god damn flare up a black mans ass to show the neighborhood what's what. And as that white phosphorus burns a hole in his ass, and that parachute pops out his anus like a god damn cork on New Years, you will bet my pasty white ass I will be gleaming with joy and an enormous freedom boner as I throw his rancid ass out my door for the whole world to witness him as an example of the consequences of my crime.
tl;dr: get fucked commie, this is America.
>>28447877
>And as that white phosphorus burns a hole in his ass, and that parachute pops out his anus like a god damn cork on New Years, you will bet my pasty white ass I will be gleaming with joy and an enormous freedom boner as I throw his rancid ass out my door for the whole world to witness him as an example of the consequences of my crime.
>>28442864
>>28447842
That would require a drop-in auto sear or something equivalent which the ATF already considers to be a machine gun.
>>28447902
No it wouldn't. The problems stem from pulling the trigger too fast, so if they just increase the weight/trigger pull or the trigger reset they could very well eliminate issues.
>>28447927
there should be an adjustable delay sear
>>28449121
Again they have to be careful and not redesign the whole thing or else the ATF might get all wiggy
Pls make an AK version
How badly i want this for my a1 build just for a boosted cool feature
>>28449347
That would be exceedingly neat.
>>28438772
apparently the ATF confirmed it's legal. They take the "one round with one trigger pull" very very literally. So as long as two rounds aren't coming out of the gun when you pull the trigger, it's ok if a round comes out when you release the trigger.
Weird laws, like always. libtards always talk about "common sense gun laws" and I agree, we need a serious dose of common sense with shitty laws. Any law that looks at two rifles that are 100% identical in every way except one has a foregrip and the other doesn't, and say the first is illegal and banned but the other isn't, has no common sense.
>>28442864
>>28447902
>>28447927
It just needs something to prevent the hammer from falling until the bolt is fully forward. Then if you let go of (or pull?) the trigger too quickly, it should delay itself for only the optimal amount of time.
The only thing this trigger system needs is added consistency, that's it. For most rifles, most people can reach the halfway point for the platform's theoretical maximum cyclic rate with their finger alone. Doubling the amount of shots per trigger pull will easily send them above and beyond the physical limit, so the system must be able to regulate itself.
>>28438795
IIRC a guy on reddit sent the ATF a letter asking about combining this with an assisted reset trigger or a bumpfire stock and it was said to take out the second action of the trigger release, making it a machinegun
>>28449530
God dammit, people having to contact the ATF for "clarification" no shit and making big shit fits over shit
>>28449530
just watch as this is what makes the ATF lose its shit and just ban it *just because we said so*
>>28438746
Watching this video before JewTube takes down MAC's channel
>>28439822
He's fucking great.
Fuuuuuck.
If I was 'merican I'd buy this in a heartbeat, especially after yesterday.
Even though it's 734 dollarydoos for just the lower, and I know you could build a decent normie AR for that price.
Inb4 ATF comes back on their ruling, just like the braces.
>>28442300
Beautiful.
>>28449764
The ATF didn't ban braces though, they just said that
>lol shouldering it is kinda making it an SBR
Anyway, the things aren't reliable enough yet, once they come out with a second generation that has a rate reducer or hammer retarder then it might be worth looking into. At the moment it doesn't look functional enough to drop $399 on the trigger pack alone.
>>28450215
>implying there will be a 2nd gen at all
>implying ATF won't rule it as a machinegun with the hammer retarder because lolATF
How would you even prevent the hammer from riding the bolt home? All I can think of is some kind of sear that would interface with the rear of the BCG, that would allow the hammer to fall when the bolt is in battery and the trigger is released.
I really think that would be ruled as an autosear since a sear makes contact with the bolt to allow the hammer to fall. Unlike this current system that is only a trigger based mechanism and only interfaces with your finger and the safety lever in the lower. There is no interaction with the upper at all.
>>28442335
Classic V8 or V8 fusion?
>>28438795
>>28450360
Meh. Whatever m8.
>>28450431
Splash
Not really autistic, but annoying as fuck.
>be me this monday
>just built my first AR (its also the first long gun I've ever owned)
>zeroing my new aimpoint
>zeroing for 36 on a 25 yard range, so I'm kind of trying to concentrate
>pic related takes stall next to me, "hispanic" version of pic related is tagging along
>both pull out beat up stolen looking ARs
>They set up targets and push send them out to about 15 yards (at this range they have a rule about not shooting closer than the maximum 25 yards available)
>The two crackheads literally cant shoot better than 1ft groupings at 15 yards
>Every five shots they pull the targets back to the stall and loudly exclaim stupid urbanisms like "I told you, dey cant touch me", "fuck naw, nigga", "fuck wid it", etc.
>Continues for a whole loud ass, mindless, annoying hour
I got my rifle zeroed, but jesus, these dudes were annoying.
Also, I couldn't understand how they weren't looking around and seeing literally every other person with a an AR shooting at 25 yards and getting no worse than 2in groupings.
tfw people really are this out of touch.
>>28450466
forgot pic related
>>28439438
That Jefferson quote is bunk. True, but bunk.
Have this one.
>>28450466
>stolen looking
Yeah, fuck you
>>28439822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4k4tOsZD8
>>28438795
Bullets EVERYWHERE! But seriously, it probably wouldn't work bump-firing, even Mac had issues firing so fast that the hammer is following the bolt.
>>28438832
Never change /k/
>>28439779
Calmly place the barrel in your ass.
>>28450466
Just be glad Daquan and Henrique can't shoot for shit when they come lootin your house
>>28438825
/k/ is the easiest board to troll and collect (you)'s because it's full of inbred rednecks with room temperature IQs and marines (also with room temperature IQs) who knowingly take the bait out of boredom.
>>28444852
Just like the slidefires, and sig braces, this will become and thing and get planted into as many types of guns as possible.
>>28438789
We don't know it, but we're friends
>>28439439
>4d20
That trip is /tg/ as fuck.
>>28452213
oh boy
>>28439082
if you wanna make an omelet, you're going to have to break some eggs
>>28438746
Is it me, or does this remind me of the AN-94 burst, like an american version of it.
>>28454804
http://grist.org/list/heres-how-to-make-an-omelette-without-breaking-eggs/
>>28449488
>>It just needs something to prevent the hammer from falling until the bolt is fully forward. Then if you let go of (or pull?) the trigger too quickly, it should delay itself for only the optimal amount of time.
That's exactly what the DIAS piece does, it holds the hammer until the bolt is forward. It's considered a machine gun piece because it's basically required for for full auto and not required for semi-auto.
>>28447927
That would work but it would make for a shitty trigger pull
>>28449121
That could work better. An AK74 style hammer delay would work. As long as the ATF doesn't have an aneurysm about the part.
>>28438776
shut up
>$400
I'd rather make my own what the fuck
>>28457758
good luck without getting V& by the ATF
>tfw geissele and LARUE see this and make a trigger that has a hammer drop interrupter and prevents soft primer strikes
>tfw we two round burst now
>>28461165
You know, I can see this actually being a military thing one day. If you're going to put a 2-round burst in a gun, why not make the timing of the second shot controllable by the user? Not only that; the speed at which it operates means that the user can switch to performing almost-automatic fire without having to flip any controls. Designs like the AN-94 are philosophically the opposite way around, but most rifles would benefit.
How about a trigger device that "stores" trigger pulls by compressing a spring or something and then releases them either 1-2 seconds after the last trigger pull or by holding a button?
>>28461220
They'll have to figure out how to keep the hammer from dropping before the bolt is seated.
>>28461165
Geissele tried to make a third position trigger just like this and was denied by the ATF last year.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnEBRiMsndw
>>28461258
was determined as not allowed with the advent of electronic triggers in the 90's
>>28438746
your binary cisnormative system triggers me
![10730757_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sXxWBC5.jpg "10730757_1[1].jpg")
>>28449364
>So as long as two rounds aren't coming out of the gun when you pull the trigger
Dear ATF: Go suck a dick.
>>28461274
I can not see it as being all that difficult. Just a simple spring lever that blocks the hammer from moving forward until the bolt is seated (which flips the lever). Alternatively, a nub is machined into the bolt that pushes a lever down when it is forward, which moves the lever out of the way of the hammer.
It will have to be more than a drop in trigger pack but I really don't see how this will be difficult or expensive to do.
Can the safety be engaged to prevent the second shot? I can imagine situations in which you'd want to change your mind and disengage rather than keep shooting...
>>28444570
The ATF made a ruling on this type of trigger about twenty years ago, you can do the same thing to a Mini-14 and presumably the M1A and M1 with a well placed staple. If the ATF wanted to shit all over people they've had a couple decades to do it.
>>28461453
Yeah and the issue with hammer follow is pretty bad. It would take a lot of practice to get to the point of not having to worry about it, but I'd imagine even then without some way of preventing the hammer from falling until after a certain point it would occur from time to time.
This is cool and all, but to pay $400 to waste even money fucking around with mag dumps seems like far too much. Still better than dropping $20k on an RDIAS though.
>>28461425
yes, all you need to do is flip it back to semi or safe and then let go of the trigger.
>>28438746
>go to their website
>find this
what
>>28461472
people on arfcom have already figured out lightweight carriers and heavy buffers fix the hammer follow issues with this trigger
>>28461525
It works better on carbine gas rifles because the bolt runs faster than MAC's middy.
>>28461525
>people on arfcom have already figured out lightweight carriers and heavy buffers fix the hammer follow issues with this trigger
Good to know.
![chris-tfb[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PK6SpJ5.jpg "chris-tfb[1].jpg")
>>28461535
>runs
>>28461521
...how? does it fire mini shells out of a proprietary single stack mag or is it single shot? I need to know
>>28438755
>>28439494
No, he means how long until the maker is shot in the head by the ATF and his brains look like v8 juice.
>>28461521
Why wouldn't they pick another frame instead of the beefy frame of the beretta 92?
>>28461560
>...how? does it fire mini shells out of a proprietary single stack mag or is it single shot? I need to know
read
>>28456989
Don't you need full retard fire control parts for this to work?
>>28461375
Underrated post
>>28461580
>read
apparently you don't know what "2.75"" means faggot. all it "reads" is that it adds a 12ga chambered slide assembly to the beretta92/96 and that it is legally a DD due to being a pistol with a bore over an inch. a 92fs magwell isn't 3 goddamn inches deep
>>28439779
It's a firemode that you can select, I'm assuming.
>>28461607
>>28461607
read again
For fucks sake burger, READ.
>>28461634
>>28461638
so pointless when I can SBR an actual shotgun and not fuck up the pistol
gg pedant faggots
makes you wonder how much coke they did to think of such a device.
>>28461653
Can you empathize because you're on coke right now?
>>28461660
you seem more assblasted than some kind of yuropoor should be at 11am ESA on a thursday.
>>28438755
>>28438746
It's been legal for years.
It's one bullet per action of the trigger.
You can modify a Mini-14 trigger-group to have it do this with just a staple.
