What retarded military doctrine will kill the most soldiers in WW3?
>>28427408
rifles in support of MGs
>>28427408
Women in combat arms and repealing dadt.
Also, rules of engagement.
>>28427408
this one
>>28427408
Infantry.
Humvees can't melt IEDs.
>>28427408
Engaging in a third world war.
>>28427408
Literally all Indian doctrines ever.
>>28427442
ban toilets?
>>28427423
>Also, rules of engagement.
hold on guys we need to wait 14 hours for our intelligence to confirm if these guys are really enemy combatants and not just disgruntled townsfolk.
>>28427408
US downsizing into a defense only military either due to lack of funding and stopping of loans or because of modernist liberal politics dictating military policy.
>>28427442
You're thinking of Latrines, not Doctrines senpai
>>28427508
>us military downsizing
what is a sleeping dragon?
>>28427423
>Women in combat arms
agree
>repealing dadt
not so sure about this one
there are and have always been closet gays in the military and most of them will never tell you even though they are technically allowed to, things will mostly be the same as it were
>>28427531
i shouldn't have kekd
>>28427536
A tradition of homos in warfare goes back to the dawn of civilization, after all.
It's silly to think that a bunch of mealy-mouthed fruits straight from the pride parade are suddenly going to fill up the .mil.
>>28427408
nuclear deterrent
skynet
The US is ignoring everything they learned in iraq/afghanistan, and going back to buying upgraded humvees.
So the only decently armored vehicle they have is an abrams. Something too damn heavy & eats too much gas.
>>28427670
Wrong. Buttfucking is not the same as homos.
Men have been fucking each others butts since the dawn of time.
But homo is an identity. That's why they cause so many problems. They think they're special, so everything has to be unique and special for them.
This is a problem when a group of men must work together seamlessly in order to kill lots of people.
>>28427423
>Women in combat arms
This DESU
>>28427408
MAD
>>28427775
We haven't used MAD for decades.
We use NUTS now.
Wonen and affirmative action hires
>>28427788
>NUTS
"Nobody use that shit!"
>>28427736
>They think they're special, so everything has to be unique and special for them.
Sounds like /k/ portrays SEALs.
>>28427423
>Women in combat arms
Yep.
Mostly men killed, of course.
>>28427508
Downsizing the military actually presents considerable opportunity for improvement over its current state as a jobs agency.
Consider, if we:
1.) Raise physical and mental standards across the board so the military only takes outstanding individuals who all or mostly have the potential to become superb soldiers (I know the military is already supposedly "above-average" in terms of intelligence compared to the rest of the population, but...)
2.) Greatly reduce the number of non-NCO enlisted and non-academy junior officers, since most of them can be retrained or replaced within a few months time if the need arises.
3.) Retain all of the NCOs. Unlike the rest of the enlisted and your average OCS butterbar, the experience and leadership they bring to the table cannot quickly or easily be produced from nothing in a time of war.
4.) Privatize most of the POG jobs in peacetime, possibly permanently depending on results. Related to point 2, there is no reason to take some unmotivated chump off the street, spend over $100,000 putting him through the training to be a cook for 4 years, and then spending millions on the benefits package he has for the rest of his life compared to how cheaply you can do the same thing by letting the private sector take care of it.
5.) Retain most of the advanced weapons programs. Like with the NCOs, the projects that Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon etc are working on cannot be mothballed or terminated and then easily restarted. While they only things those companies can do is make cost-inefficient advanced weapons systems, cost-inefficient advanced weapons systems are necessary to win modern wars. That isn't to say we shouldn't try and reduce fraud, waste, and corruption, but letting them go under or, god forbid, going overseas would be a disaster.
Making all of the above changes would cut off most of the gristle in the current military to make it leaner and more efficient, while still leaving it the means to easily bulk up quickly.
>>28427890
But the military is just cutting combat troops, and keeping all the fat.
I think they need more budget cuts even. Eventually it'll force them to start cutting the fat off.
>>28427508
>defense only
offensive military is all fun and games until someone pokes an airplane in your skyscraper
>>28427953
Someone who you allowed into the country due to retarded open border liberal immigration policies*
Easily solution is to elect someone who isn't a marxist or a globalist
>>28427984
Not to defend liberals, but both parties are at fault when it comes to how fucked up our immigration problems currently are. Both parties supported the passage of the 1965 and 1990 bills that moved us away from immigration quotas, and Ronald Reagan extended an extralegal grand amnesty to 3 million illegals that only encouraged more of them to come here.
>>28427984
>>28428021
i think you both agree that making guns illegal will not stop criminals from getting guns.
do you really believe that making immigration illegal will stop terrorists from entering usa?
>>28427490
>implying rebels are the same as a uniformed enemy
the reason you have such a fucked up ROE in this war is because its difficult to indenity an enemy.
>>28427939
No, as an outcry for less human casualties occurs on our side the next generation of ground based drones will arrive.
While initially more expensive, they don't require healthcare, disability, feeding, family separation, or any of the political consequences. When it's time to retire, it gets scrapped.
>>28427531
>Latrines
>Indians
Much too high technology for them to use
>>28427408
To really understand the enemy, it's worth reading
The Starfish and the Spider - By Brafman and Beckstrom.
How do you fight a headless enemy who grows a new body every time you think you cut off a limb.
>>28428202
That's really weird. I actually ordered that book a month ago during my last drunken amazon book buying binge. Haven't read it yet though, its still sitting on pile.
How is this book relevant to meme warfare?
>>28428254
Nvm, wrong thread
>>28427423
THIS
>>28428254
It's a great book and you won't put it down after picking it up. Like most business books, it's shoot and too the point. The authors use some relevant examples from the war on terror and how those situations apply to in the business world.
In most ways, 4chan is really a starfish organization.
>>28427423
>Women in combat arms
This. Men can't turn off millions of years worth of white knight genes. Even the Soviets segregated their units.
>>28427435
ding ding ding we have a winner
>>28428297
Well thanks for the rec. I'll probably start that one next, I'm almost finished with the book I'm reading now.
Does anything in particular really stand out to you about it?
>>28428348
Spider organizations are what we're really used to. A starfish is really disruptive and has a tactical advantage in the business world or on the battlefield. The way you think about how things are structured and how that spider mentality makes an organization slow and lethargic will have you seeing everything in new ways.
Although a bit old now, Wikinomics and The Wisdom of Crowds are two other good reads. You can always watch anything By Gary Vaynerchuk and you'll see how traditional marketing and promotion is dead and you no longer control your brand's message. You might even see why me being disliked by /k/ is so much more valuable than being liked.
>>28428406
Thanks.
Why are you disliked by /k/? I'm relatively new here
>>28428463
Oh, for many, many, many reasons. Mainly for excessively poking the beehive with EDC posts and other nonsense as well as shamelessly shilling a youtube channel. Also, I was a member of Kommandochat. Plus I'm like 2x the age of most regulars here, it drives them nuts that someone the same age as their parents is screwing around on 4chan.
>>28427431
>Humvees can't melt IEDs.
In soviet Russia, IED melt you.
>>28428311
there were integrated units
>>28427408
The US continuing to operate its carriers, and navy in the formation they have now as apparently they're giant targets and their screening forces are *really* incompetent in preenting Chinese or Iranian subs from getting within the perimeter.
OR the task forces getting sprayed with shitloads of missiles which overwhelm the point-defense
>>28427890
Contract out to Eatn' Park for meals, Advance Auto for vehicle stuff, and sell off the labor parts to Mexico and China. Also sell off all garment and equipment making to Bangladesh.
What could go wrong??!
>>28428463
>>28428521
Never even heard of you and I've been here since 4chan was a bunch of gore and cartoon futa on /b/
>>28428112
?
All the 9/11 terrorists came in on legal visas
The san bernadino terrorists were legal immigrants
sure MAYBE some brown guy can sneak in from canada or mexico. But that's an order of magnitude more difficult than having millions of brown muslims providing support for terrorists right here.
>>28427408
depending on air superiority while invading a country with modern IADS
>>28428642
Yeah. Also USN has let their ASW and MCM ability atrophy to the point where they are incompetent at it now. Mines and subs have always killed way more ships than other ships ever did.
>>28428642
A: you have no idea whether the escorts detected those subs or not
B: a war time situation with active sonar/active ASW is a totally different place
C: Sneaking up like that would only work once.
>>28428732
>All the 9/11 terrorists came in on legal visas
that's because it was easy. if it wasn't they'd come in anyway, in shipping containers or whatever.
>millions of brown muslims providing support for terrorists
what support? how many of those millions were convicted of anything?
why brown? there are black, white as well as asian muslims.
>>28428789
>what support?
Financial, moral, logistical, etc
Terrorists all around the world are groomed & trained in mosques. Including many in the USA
>how many of those millions were convicted of anything?
How many isreali/US officials were? Despite their clear involvement?
>>28428756
No idiot. Every time USN has an exercise with another country their diesel subs blow the fuck out of our carriers.
This is known.
>>28428851
Sure m8, just like the F-16 "beat" the F-35
>>28428821
>moral
bullshit
>financial, logistical
again, how many people in the USA were convicted, or at least charged?
>isreali/US officials ... clear involvement
i see. that's nice. have fun, i'll move along.
>>28428941
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_charities_accused_of_ties_to_terrorism
>>28427423
>women
Yes
>gas
No
>ROE
Absofuckinglutely
>>28427423
It wasn't that DADT was ended that pissed me off, it was the way it was done and the reason why it was done that pissed me off. Nothing more than a cheap political stunt in an election cycle.
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>>28427408
19 - Political Interference
a. Political Correctness / Compulsory Language & Acceptance courses
b. Inclusiveness - Snowflake Programme
c. Highest Bidder Acquisition Programme
d. Inferior Equipment Adoption & Enforcement of Usage
e. How to Lose a War in Secret - Trade Compromise & You
62 - Risk Aversion (Commissioned)
a. Decision Obfuscation
b. Ordering without Orders
c. Blame Transference
d. Tolerance & Acceptance
e. Rules of Engagement
f. Laws of Armed Conflict
78 - Rank Structure
a. Medal Acquisition (Commissioned)
b. Grooming Standards (Non-commissioned males)
c. Blame Transference Continued
d. Leg up / Leg over - Female Promotion Initiative
e. Combat Experience without Combat - How to talk the talk (Commissioned)
>>28428863
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news_updates/nz1839.htm
Literally every time a CSG goes up against a diesel electric sub it loses. This is common knowledge learn to Google or better yet just lobotomize yourself
>>28427408
Explosive Reactive Armor instead of actual passive armor.
>>28429027
>never hear about how a foreign country gets their shit slapped in exercises with any US branch
>never hear the end of it when someone makes some kind of victory against them
It must be sad being so beta that's how far you have to reach for some kind of glory.
>>28429019
>b. Grooming Standards (Non-commissioned males)
Long hair and facial hair can compromise the effectiveness of your gas mask but other than that it only serves to create a sense of unity by stripping you of your unique snowflake hipster look. Making it easier to establish a group identity.
>>28429112
Cool, so I won't get in trouble telling the butch lesbian officer that just took over my unit to shave her head and police her mustache?
>>28428689
Why not? According to the Republicans, bringing private industry practices to gov't organisations can make them cheaper and more efficient.
>>28427423
>Women in combat arms
Yes
>repealing dadt
No. Gays were already in the military, just not public about it. Repealing DADT doesn't mean that wimpy flamboyant types can suddenly pass basic.
>rules of engagement
Not in WW3
>>28427417
underrated post
>>28429401
Would like to stumble across a division of trap troops... With dildo bayonets.... And etc.
>>28429605
My god... that would be great...
>>28428732
>being for illegal immigration
Why do you hate the poor?
>>28429027
Except the fact that the SSK gets wrecked in return fire.
Trading a diesel boat for a carrier is a bigwin. But it's the equivalent of trading a knight or bishop for the opponents' queen.
And no commander, under threat of mutiny, wants to die on his submarine.
>>28429154
We both know you can't do that since women in military are there only to make the military and the politicians look good and "modern". It has absolutely nothing to do with efficiency or practicality. If it did they'd have exactly the same buzzcuts/short hair as everybody else.
>>28427890
>raise physical standards
Physical standards for men are fine. The fatasses you see do not meet them. What we need is 100%, and 100% uniform, enforcement of the current standards. Female standards needs to be done away with entirely. They meet the unilateral standard just like everyone else.
>mental standards need to be raised
I dont think so, I just think they need a better and more comprehensive method of testing for it and a limit on how frequently the test can be taken to eliminate the people who get in by the "throw enough shit at a wall something will stick eventually" method. Also government funded asvab prep courses need to go.
>greatly reduce non academy officers
But academy grads make some of the worst leaders! Theyre the high-politics asskissers causing all the problems!
>>28428714
Hes used at least 4 different trips.
This ones only about a month old.
He keeps getting banned/getting the trip banned.
>>28427408
top down micro management
armoured personal carriers
trying to fight them drones
>>28430676
Check your math son, he's used two dozen trips over a decade. Permabans seem to mean nothing to him. As soon as he's banned hes right back posting. Hell, I wouldn't doubt if he's got a few others trips he's posting as right now. I'm betting he's also Phil.
>>28428202
You mean, how do you enslave countries for posing a threat to fiat currency and fiat banking...
Which leads to asset seizures.
>>28430928
I don't do the sockpuppet thing. Never have.
>>28430981
That's what he would say.
>>28427736
>fucking another guy in the ass isn't gay
>>28427736
but, in my arguably limited experience of 10 years in the infantry, the types of homos that would cause issues tend to self select out. The fags we had erred more on the side of awesome wingman and generally nice dude that knew how the fuck to cook and clean.
>>28431020
Having a dick in your ass, that's gay!
>>28427435
>>28430625
>physical standards
You think so? I had heard that there was an endemic problem of messed up knees and backs among the guys who had been doing regular patrols in Afghanistan. That being said, I do agree with you that having different standards for men and women is the worst kind of counterproductive political doublespeak.
>mental standards
A better testing method is only part of the solution, and the practice you describe of preparing for the test in order to get a better score is the mark of a better candidate and not a worse one. The reason mental standards should be high for all positions in the military, even for your typical chin-scratching Muhreen rifleman, is because more intelligent soldiers are more likely to refuse unethical orders and take their oath to uphold the Constitution seriously as compared to William Calley-tier dumbfucks.
>But academy grads make some of the worst leaders!
West Point alone has produced most of our country's most illustrious and capable military leaders. If you discard them and all of the other academy graduates as worthless, from where are we getting all of the actual "good" leaders?
>Theyre the high-politics asskissers causing all the problems!
You seem to forget that the military exists as a part of American society and not independently of it. The brass has some leeway when it comes to how a policy might be implemented, but the policies themselves are drafted by politicians/the public. Going along with said policies is non-negotiable due to civilian control of the military. In light of that, the detrimental influence of mainstream cultural mores on the military establishment is in large part abated by the traditionalism and conservatism of the professional officer class.
>>28427408
Probably burning trash instead of burying it, and PTSD suicides.
Just saying, more vets died in WWII after the war ended by suicide, alcohol related incidents and "Cancer" in 10 years following the war then all those that died during it.
It has proven true again in GWOT and Vietnam.
The Soviet Union had similar problems with their guys coming back from Afghanistan and WWII, but in WWII it was more of a 3 died in the war to 1 suicide/cancer/alcoholism ratio.
I am not besmerching the actions or playing down the danger of our solders/marines/air force queers, but the no alcohol policy in AF and Iraq literally keep entire divisions free of the drunk driving deaths, drugs, and other causes that come with using cars. Infact, the death rate from all causes was reduced in Iraq and AF per head then having that service member stateside. But like I said before, the war ends and they leave the uniform and that is when the real danger for them begins.
>End thread.
>>28431224
this desu
>>28431224
He said END lives, not SAVE LIVES! Note, you must now wear a PT belt, and have a separate one on your assault pack if you are carrying it.
>Something that actually happend on Fort Bliss
"safety first"
>>28429605
What's the MOS for Morale Improvement?
>>28431516
What do they need the belts for, they're already wearing UCP
>>28431931
I want to know who's palms got greased to get the ACUs rushed out as shit as they were.
>>28431931
kek
I got a cabelas range bag in UCP partly because they sold out of black and partly because I didn't want to lose it if I sat it down on the grass.
>>28431516
>2-7
GARY
>>28427408
5.56x45
I'm not an expert but to me we have an incredibly small army and Marines given what we ask of them. If we fought an enemy with good anti-armor and anti-helicopter weapons and training our casualties would be higher than we've seen since Vietnam, and then what? Our military has grown accustomed to amazing intel all the time and being able to fly everywhere with little danger. Look at the air losses in Vietnam and imagine that today, it'd be unsustainable, and that was North Vietnam doing that.
>>28427428
>sending Marines in to a empty desert where all enemies have already been killed with nukes, to use their bodies to soak up and shield everyone else from radiation
Probably the most useful role they can perform, to be honest.
>>28427408
rusian
>>28427435
>Engaging in a third world war.
Yep. With the heft the US has, if WW3 happens it'll be because someone with power stood to make money off of it.
