Why did companies basically stop making 45-70 guns? Would a full auto 45-70 be practical? I'm noguns but Massachusetts is hell and it's incredibly hard to get guns here.
>>28402470
in no way would 45-70 full auto be useful.
>>28402470
>FA
>Practical
>>28402479
Why? Would it jam? Not cycle?
>>28402489
Eh, other rounds just do better.
45-70 is just kinda a niche round.
>>28402498
How does 45-70 compare to fiddy bee em gee ballistics?
>>28402498
I do have plans for a .45-70 semi-auto that borrows heavily from a few different designs, sort of a "what if..." alternative history gun project.
I should really test to see if it works. If I do I'll post on here, but I have to find the HDD the plans are on first. (along with some other shit and all my ABBA, I think that's the same one)
>>28402513
Not even in the same league. 45-70 moves at around 1650 fps with a 300gr (generally) projectile. A 50bmg goes around 3000fps with a 720gr projectile.
>>28402470
This isn't based on anything other than general knowledge, much like everything else ever said on /k/, but common sense dictates that .45-70 govt is a lever gun cartridge. Lever guns are obviously much less prevalent than they once were. Therefore .45-70 is less popular than it once was.
Not to say that lever guns aren't still widely used for Cowboy shooting competitions and hunting. There are probably at least a few models in production that chamber 45-70. Although the only one I know is the Marlin 1895.
Also, it likely costs a lot to produce and market.
>>28402528
Imagine if 50 BMG was never invented and the M107 took 45-70. That would be crazy.
>>28402558
I never knew 50 was the fast.
>>28402581
You can find slower or faster loads for both, that's just a quick generalization of the two cartridges.
>>28402470
for one its rimmed so it wouldnt do well in hi-cap mags it would have to be belt fed, and 2: spitzer bullets took off.
>>28402566
That's kind of what it came from, but instead it was the .30-06 and the Civil War never happened and a bunch of other stuff.
It spawned out of a modified Risk game that a friend typed up the story in between game nights. Was fun as fuck, and then I started basically wondering "well what if the .45-70 just.. kept going..." and self-loading rifles became a thing far sooner.
>>28402615
So did smokeless powder. The 45-70 was originally a black powder cartridge.
>>28402470
>but Massachusetts is hell and it's incredibly hard to get guns here.
Uhh. No it isn't. Handguns yeah, but only because there's a roster.
>>28402470
45-70's actually been enjoying a bit of a renesiance since the 90's
>>28402683
Yeah bc of my states retarded primitive weapon laws there's a primitive weapon season for things like 38-55 and 45-70. Grandfather went out and bought a break action 45-70 just so he could hunt the new season
>>28402528
But could you ever afford to shoot a whole magazine of it?
>>28402562
Repro sharps in 45-70 are also not uncommon
>>28402479
What about the gatling guns in .45-70?
> inb4 crank is not full auto
The only thing I can think of is that same issue they had to begin with. Rimlock
I forget. Are there lever-rifles available in 45-70?
What if I want one for a cabin gun and general fun?
>>28402960
You shooting black powder 45-70?
>>28403160
>Are there lever-rifles available in 45-70?
Yeah? What else would be there, single shot falling blocks?
>>28402482
/thread
>>28402671
Massachusetts IS hell. Granite state is best state.
>>28403224
Didn't mean to imply it wasn't. But firearms are hardly difficult to get
>>28402470
They haven't.
>>28403160
Yes. Henry makes one now, and the Marlin Model 1895 has been manufactured since, well, 1895.
>>28403117
I don't see why not, nothing about the .45-70 is particularly unique or obtuse that would prevent a magazine-fed, semi-automatic rifle chambered in that caliber from working.
Hell, there have been even more oddly-shaped rounds such as the 8mm Lebel that saw use in belt-fed machine guns.
>>28403154
"ATF and its predecessor agency, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), have historically held that the original, crank-operated Gatling Gun, and replicas thereof, are not automatic firearms or machineguns as defined. See Rev. Rul. 55-528, 1955-2 C.B. 482. The original Gatling Gun is a rapid-firing, hand-operated weapon. The rate of fire is regulated by the rapidity of the hand cranking movement, manually controlled by the operator. It is not a "machinegun" as that term is defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b) because it is not a weapon that fires automatically"
>>28402470
>rimmed
Sucks for anything auto
>fat, slow round with rainbow trajectory
Sucks
>>28403282
>Sucks for anything auto
Not really, it only sucks for anything magazine fed, belt-feds are fine.
>>28403296
And anything belt-fed would use a better cartridge in the first place.
>>28402470
Why aren't you shooting .950 caliber, /k/?
>>28403310
Well, I never said that it wouldn't, I'm just correcting your inaccuracy.
>>28403117
They're not terribly expensive new, and since pretty much everyone who shoots .45-70 reloads that brings the costs down
> Not just buying a 458 socom
Outside of heavy bullet loads they are very similar and the 458 gives up nothing. Heavier bullets still give a significant edge to the 45-70, though.
I have and enjoy both. Outside of brass, it is pretty much the same cost to reload for. Pic related, homemade bullets in the 458, a 330 gr HP.
>>28404585
Correct, except for modern actions and hot-loading 45-70.
458 Socom, as much as I like it, doesn't hold a candle to a hot 45-70 driving 400 grain bullets at 2050ft/s or 500gr bullets at 1750ft/s.
>>28402498
>niche round
>150 years old
>used by military and civilians
>can kill anything from elephants to deer
I think back when the military used volley fire, they found it could have lethal effect over 3000 yards away.
why not rechamber a BAR into a 45-70.
>not shooting 20mm
>. 45-70 full auto big bore
My fucking face when
>>28404996
Why not rechamber a BAR into .270?
450 bushmaster comes close
>>28402513
>How does 45-70 compare to fiddy bee em gee ballistics?
Like a fat kid running against a Kenyan that is being chased by a Cheetah.
The 45-70 is fat and slow, shooting more than 400 is closer to calling in a mortar strike than shooting a rifle.
>>28405275
>The 45-70 is fat and slow, shooting more than 400 is closer to calling in a mortar strike than shooting a rifle.
Perfect. Make a 240 chambered in 45-70 and we will have the ability to rain death down on the enemy from a few blocks away in urban combat.
>>28405334
It's actually already a thing with most GPMGs and larger. Fire volley shots at near max range to get plunging fire into the beaten zone bypassing fortifications that provide mostly direct fire protection.
No one likes trying to build overhead protection.
The largest MG barrages in history come from WWI.
They fired 10 guns for 12 hours contstantly prior to an attack. Shooting over a million rounds of ammo.
45-70 is a fucking amazing cartridge with a long history of being bad ass.
There were stories about sharpshooters using 45-70 with Iron sights and hitting, accurately, at 1000+ yards.
It's a big, beefy cartridge that is quintessentially American. I absolutely love putting a few rounds down range in my Marlin. I love the looks I get for it, and I love the recoil. It's a man's cartridge from yesteryear.
But, in practically sense, it's not at all. Hunting? Sure. Target shooting? Sure. Cowboy action? Oh hell yeah! SHTF or Combat cartridge? Not a chance. It's to bulky and way to hard to find. You can do a lot with the right load for your gun, but you're not going to find that load retail, you're going to have to load it your self.
I've not gotten a box for less than 2.00/shot. It's pricey, but oh so much fun. I probably shot way more than I should have today. Probably going to need a second mortgage to pay for my next box or two.
>>28403262
>can you AFFORD to shoot it?
>yeah it's totally possible mechanically
dat reading comprehension
>>28402470
Because .30/06 supplanted it. Both do the same job but the .30/06 kicks less, is lighter, and has a far longer effective range.
A .45/70 wouldn't be practical FA due to the recoil and excessive barrier penetration, not to mention the limited ammo that can be carried.
