Is there a anti-personal version of ATGM like FAGOT, MILAN or TOW ?
That video of ragheads trying to kill a platoon with a FAGOT made me wonder
https://www.funker530.com/platoon-hit-by-anti-tank-guided-missile/
>>28401430
yes. there's a thermaboric warhead for some slav missile
It's a market currently in development, the two most interesting weapons are the Mini-SPIKE which is a version of the SPIKE missile intended for anti-personnel use and the Raytheon Pike missile which is a 40mm laser-guided missile intended to be launched from an underbarrel grenade launcher.
>>28401448
Only know of RPG and SHMEL shooting thermobaric stuff
Is it really called FAGOT?
>>28401430
most Russian guided and unguided launchers have anti-personnel rockets
>>28401493
It's Russian for a tubular instrument
>>28401430
why bother when grenade launchers are adequate?
>>28401518
Grenade launchers don't hit something a mile away
>>28401493
>>28401430
I bet OP is an anti-social version of the FAGOT
>FAGOT
>>28401493
>>28401517
In some languages (Italian, French, and probably Russian) the word for 'bassoon' is 'fagot'.
>>28401531
yes they do....
>>28401760
Handheld ones don't.
ATGMs are shape charged warheads. In order to make it anti personal you have to hit something in front of the people you are trying to kill like a wall for ex. This turns the blast debris into flying shrapnel. A ATGM alone is a lot like a AP bullet where it just goes though things like people.
>>28401569
>>28401493
How old are you?
![spot_gun01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bB3DN06.jpg "spot_gun01[1].jpg")
>>28401793
>>28401945
>a prototype grenade launcher that's not being used by anyone
>effective range of 600 metres
You think you can add another kilometre to that and still hit your target?
>>28402007
just gotta arc it, and it'll go further.
>>28402061
Yeah, just like you can point your rifle upwards and have the rounds fly for several kilometres. Doesn't mean you're actually going to hit shit with it.
>>28402072
grenades have a bit bigger kill zone than 5.56 m8
They also don't rely on speed to do their killing.
>>28401430
The missile alone cost up to 30k a pop, so using them to kill infantry isn't really cost effective.
Just use recoilless rifle with fragmentation round
>>28401793
>>28402093
You still need to hit close to your target.
>>28402099
Why would you use an AT launcher instead of using a weapon that's not in use by your military force?
>>28402061
Thats not what effective range means
You don't honestly think they were pointing it level and it went 600m do you?
>>28402169
That thing's grenades will sail up to 2000 metres according to the manifacturer though. He's not completely incorrect. It's got more propellant in the rounds than your M203 does, I'd figure.
>>28402169
If the mk19 has an effective range of 1500 meters
Why would a hand held launcher firing the same round have one of 600m?
>>28402179
Because you can't handle the recoil of full-automatic 40mm grenade fire.
You sure they use the same grenades?
>>28401493
>The Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 (Russian: Mикoян и Гypeвич MиГ-15; NATO reporting name: "Fagot")
>>28402179
You're comparing the effective range of a crew-served mounted automatic weapon with a single shot handheld one. You fucking moron.
>>28402179
Because they don't fire the same round.
>>28402192
Make that full-automatic Mk19 fire.
>>28402192
>the HV-40 fires both the high-velocity rounds used in MK-19 automatic grenade launchers and the low-velocity ammo designed for M-79s and M-203s.
>>28402205
The very next fucking sentence:
>The high-velocity rounds sail out to 2,000 meters, and have an effective engagement range of 600 meters.
>>28402218
What does the mk19 mean by effective range, and what do they mean?
>>28402237
Effective range = rounds go where you aim them
>FAGOT
>>28402237
Effective range is not how far your projectiles will travel, anon.
A pistol for example, does not have an effective range of several hundred meters, even if the round will travel that far.
>>28402252
>>28402269
I don't see why a mk19 would have substantially greater accuracy to a handheld version firing the same round.
If its the mk19's ability to fire more rounds then you could easily add a 5 round clip to a held held version.
>>28402237
In general the effective range of a firearm is the range at which you can reliably hit your target, whatever it may be. The Mk19 has a far higher effective range since it's a fully-automatic weapon, which allows you to make continuous corrections to your fire, whilst the HV-40 fires a single grenade, after which the enemy will have taken cover and or displaced.
>>28402293
>I don't see why a mk19 would have substantially greater accuracy to a handheld version firing the same round.
Because the Mk 19 is larger and more accurate. It's not hard. Bigger weapon = more stable = longer barrel = longer range.
>>28402293
You can't just fucking add a clip into a grenade launcher without making structural modifications to it, after which it's not the same weapon. Are you stupid?
>>28402293
Its a higher velocity round than is used in the m203/320, and its a tripod or pintle mounted weapon that will have far less aiming error than a shoulder fired version. It also has the ability to and is frequently issued with either a magnified optic or full blown ballistic computer.
All of this makes it easier to hit with, which extends its effective range.
>>28402335
The HV-40 specifically is capable of firing the Mk19's higher velocity grenade, which is it's entire purpose. Not that it increases the effective range any further than 200 metres, but still.
>>28402353
Same grenade, lower muzzle velocity due to shorter barrel.
>>28401430
Yes. The SRAW and SMAW-D offer guided HEDP and the SRAW offers a guided thermobaric. The TOW2 comes in an HEDP version as well, and therewas talk about developing an airburst warhead for the Javelin, but I dont think it ever got made.
>>28401430
There are usually some form of HE like variants of missiles.
Vast majority of the time though the footage and pictures you see are them using HEAT missiles.
>>28402363
62 FPS lower muzzle velocity. Won't make such a large difference.
>>28402307
>>28402294
But then your talking operator skill/better optics/a bipod/etc here too.
Long sniper kills are regularly made beyond the "effective range" of that rifle.
Give someone 10,000 test rounds of practice, then see what sort of "effective range" they might have with an HV-40.
>>28402388
No, the rest is everything else that poster mentioned that should be basic logic to anyone with a functional brain stem
>>28402397
Which is no longer what effective range is about.
>>28402397
>Long sniper kills are regularly made beyond the "effective range" of that rifle.
They are not regular, and a lot of them are largely chance.
They don't fire one shot and watch it whiz into someone's dome at twice the range the rifle should be engaging people. They fire a dozen and one happens to hit.
>>28402397
That's not what effective range is at all.
Are you just being stupid to drag this argument out?
>>28402099
Barrel to small fake image.
>>28402397
>But then your talking operator skill
No, nobody said that. YOU'RE saying that now you fucktard.
whats the max range
>>28402397
A single hit out of hundreds of rounds fired is not considered effective.
>>28402450
And how many shots does it take a mk19 to hit a man sized target at 1500 meters?
>>28402663
The effective range for a sniper rifle and a GLMG are not the same thing, I'm afraid.
>>28401430
I like the Fagot it makes a whoooooop sound when it fires
>>28402663
Typically 1-3, entirely dependent on how bad the user is at squeezing off single shots an a low rof weapon.
>>28401479
I fucking love some of the shit Raytheon makes.
>>28401430
Switchblade UAV. Already fielded and used in combat.
