We should treat nicely enemy prisioners, so they try to surrender in mass
All WWII pacific theater was because japanese thought americans would beat and rape us in the camps
>>28389754
Too bad propaganda was a thing. Did ring true for the Germans though.
>>28389754
We had a japanese guy stay with our family when we hosted him as an exchange student.
He referred to ww2 as "the china incident" and genuineley believed that the nukings were utterly unprovoked.
His idea of ww2 was "japan was having a small skirmish with china and the USA nuked japan."
(Utterly denied literally 80 percent of WW2 pacific theater history if it didnt concern the USA being naughty) im guessing he was the jap equivalent of our holocaust deniers.
In all fairness nobody can say "well japan only raped, enslaved, and murdered hundreds of thousands of chinese and koreans because they were afraid the USA would put them in camps if they didnt"
Japan established the baseline for atrocity years before the USA ever got involved, and knew that after the world had witnessed thier *ahem* misbehavior that they could expect similar treatment in retaliation.
The nukes really were an elegant solution. The corrupted version of bushido brainwashed into the population had everyone obsessed with dying with honor in a vast apocalyptic land battle.
The nukes brought the death and horror without indulging the jap's obsession in a twisted and corrupted honor system.
Just a flash, heat, a loud noise, and a city was gone. No great banzai warrior charge. No "honorable death by personal combat in a flash of swords and a puff of cherry blossoms" just one city after another would be reduced to ash and radiation in a puff of smoke until there were either no japanese left to fight, or they surrendered.
And the butthurt that the USA didnt play thier little game fairly and indulge thier obsolete mediaval era honor complex is causing much butthurt and nationalist revisionism to this day.
>>28390235
pretty much fucking this.
>the nazis were super bad, muh 6million
>japan killed how many? 20million? over 30 years?
>yeah right anon my glorious nippon would never do such a thing
>We should treat nicely enemy prisioners, so they try to surrender in mass
Well thanks for saying exactly what we do
>>28390305
6 million is just jews. The number should shoot up to double that if we include slavs and other civilians.
>>28390235
The US provoked Japan by cutting off their oil which is an act of war, Japan had no choice but to expand it's borders or die. The only way to do that was to go south into the Dutch West Indies but first it had to knock the US Pacific fleet for a period of time, hence Pearl Harbour.
>behead Australians
>Bataan
>unit 731
>rape on a scale only matched by filthy soviets
>bayonet prisoners of war
FUK U ROUND EYE! BOMB SO DISHONORABBRR! JAPAN DINDU!
>>28390235
Well put.
>>28390327
I really doubt that. I felt 6 million was an estimate and not a scientific number. How many hundreds of thousands of Jewish survivors were there?
>>28390350
>The US provoked Japan by cutting off their oil which is an act of war
You are confusing sanctions with blockade. Embargo and sanctions are not acts of war, because Japan could always buy their oil from Mexico or Venezuela or something.
>>28390235
Interesting to see nip shows like akira post ww2, with irrevocable almost apocalyptic themes.
Losing an entire generation for nothing would probably make you pacifist for the next 10. even if abe molests how the war is taught in schools, nothing will change that mentality in japan. Thankfully vets are starting to come forward and tell what they saw.
>>28389754
>All WWII pacific theater was because japanese thought americans would beat and rape us in the camps
This was used on all sides. Particularly in response to WW1. In WW1 you had things like the Christmas truce. And Socialist propaganda spreading as people realized they were being fed to a machine for the sakes of kings and kaisers.
The Christmas Truce made leadership at all levels lose their shit. They ordered artillery officers to open fire on any groups of soldiers regardless of which side they were on. Lots of executions.
>>28390353
>behead Australians
In the modern era that would be considered a service.
>>28390327
12 million at stalingrad alone, but there frozen kebabs so ill let you math that down to real numbers
>>28390364
The 6 million figure is just about the most highly researched and verified number in historiography, and has stayed at ~6 million for decades.
>>28390353
So if the Saudis stop selling us oil, it's okay to tape our way through Canada?
>>28390327
I remember seeing it was somewhere between 8-10 million when you included civilians starved to death and Soviet POW's purposefully murdered.
>>28390405
*rape
>>28390405
The US doesn't get much oil from the Saudis. Almost off of it either comes from our half of the world or the Ivory Coast.
>>28390380
WW1 had the realization that the people fighting weren't different. You had the people during the CT singing the Internationale around campfires and playing soccer.
WW2 had it where every side were drilled that the opposition was composed of vicious inhuman rapist beasts. Animals that would rape and kill their mothers and sisters and daughters. Abominable demons that must all die.
Propaganda is one hell of a drug.
>>28390400
I really can't see how the Germans failed to outright execute them wholesale while leaving so many survivors. Fuck until the the 80s you could buy German Surplus ammo from the era, why didn't the Germans just shoot them? How do we know this 6 million isn't including non-jews?
>>28390428
>misses the point
>>28390235
This deserves a screenshot.
Very, very well put, anon.
>>28390438
>dehumanizing propaganda started in ww2
Did it?
>>28390438
Well, it's a bit hard to buy that when the guys you're fighting look just like you as was the case with most armies in WWI. The Japs were downright alien compared to the differences between Americans and Germans.
>>28390405
You are now aware of 50% of Saudi oil stays in-country and is used to generate power for Air Conditioning alone.
You are also now aware that their attempt to kill domestic oil production in the US failed catastrophically and they are now in deep shit. In three decades, the Saudis will be irrelevant again.
>>28390445
The idea was to use them as forced labor while they lasted. By the time the war was a lost cause, there wasn't just enough time to kill jews.
Also killing jews was just not that big of a priority in the larger scheme of things.
>How do we know this 6 million isn't including non-jews?
The same way we "know" anything in the past.
>>28390472
Except Japs fought in WW1 alongside the Entente.
>>28390445
They did "just shoot them"
Millions died. I think that number has been thrown around so much it's lost its impact and people don't realise the sheer amount of people that is.
>>28390445
>why didn't the Germans just shoot them
Because, believe it or not, SS troopers actually started to feel bad about it. Himmler described how it was taxing on his soldiers minds. Thus he devised the death camp system where jews could go from train to gassing in as little time as possible and having as little mental burden on the soldiers minds.
The reason why they didn't straight execute them is because they wanted free labor. See Maus as an example. When they couldn't work, they were gassed.
We should have turned the entire ija over to the Chinese as slave labour.
>>28390445
>why didn't the Germans just shoot them
Because they had already tried that. It was too slow, and it was having a very negative effect on the soldiers delegated to executing them. Even the most staunch Nazis become psychological wrecks after non-stop executions.
>ITT: starts with "Japan dindunuffin". Quickly turns into holocaust denial, soviets was good boys, and Royal German and English troops singing Soviet international together.
Stay tuned for more shot that didn't happen followed by cherry picking and out of context quotes!
>>28390445
The Germans weren't usually trying to kill them off until a bit later on. Some of their more notable scientists actually sorted out who was going to just be killed and who was going to have the much worse fate of being a test subject.
Extermination camps, like Auschwitz, didn't start their work until later on.
>>28390350
Look up "the rape of nanking"
Goddamned jap soldiers bayonetting schoolchildren, executing men, and raping women to death by the hundreds of thousands.
The usa saw this and said "no, we arent funding this bullshit, be it directly, or indirectly via trade."
And thus the oil and all other trade ceased.
World history. Read it.
>>28390522
China was actually asked to occupy Japan. KMT refused because it would've been too costly.
>>28390495
They sent a small bunch and were ignored during the peace talks.
>>28390557
They were obviously not ignored considering they grabbed pretty much all of Germany's Asian holdings.
>>28390350
>>28390546
>Goddamned jap soldiers bayonetting schoolchildren, executing men, and raping women to death by the hundreds of thousands.
You're forgetting, "Making fathers rape their daughters."
Nanking was fucked up, even more so than some of the shit the Mongols used to pull, and that's saying something.
>>28390495
A lot of countries fought in WW1. Several involved their entire force coming in green, being bumbled out onto a beach, and then the entire force contributed by the country being killed in about 5 minutes.
WW1 taught lessons that many refused to learn. Every time a new power came in they came in like the Entente powers did at the beginning. And they were cut down like wheat to a scything blade.
>>28390235
No matter what the Japs think, when the nukes dropped and they surrendered us Koreans were fucking partying hard.
Any Jap that says that it wasn't justified can go fuck themselves.
>>28390445
The german kept meticulous records.
In reality most of the evidence was gone.
Their records and eye witness testimony damned them.
>>28390560
They were ignored enough that they were still pissed about not being treated like a big kid when WWII started.
>>28390546
America the good guys stopping the bad guys from doing bad things
Stop reading American history books.
>>28390582
WW2 policies and actions were the direct result of WW1. Nuking Japan was to stop Japan from doing what the German Empire tried to do. German Empire was throwing out everyone that could hold a rifle to prolong the war and try to force an armistice agreement instead of a surrender. So Japan was thinking they'd defend to the last man and cause as many US casualties as possible to force some level of mutual agreement to end the war and preserve their holdings.
US said fuck no and then prevented Japan from doing the shit Germany did.
>>28390350
>refusing to sell to someone because they're raping and genociding their way across Asia is an act of war
Wow no.
That's called a trade embargo. They could buy from anyone else selling oil at the time.
If the US blockaded their island and blew up anything going to or from it, that would be an act of war. But the US wasn't doing that obviously.
Were you that sperg that sucker punched kids in the cafeteria because they didn't want to trade their chocolate milk?
Why did the japanese suck so bad in land battles against the US?
Judging from casualties alone, it seems they were pretty competent on naval warfare, but retarded on land.
>>28390680
Cause they were surrounded and outnumbered due to the size of the US forces and the nature of island warfare?
>>28390680
Their guns were shit.
>>28390576
Don't forget bayoneting pregnant women!
Everytime I read the rape of Nanking I feel like we should have nuked them a few more times.
>>28389754
We should treat prisoners humanely because they're human beings and have rights inherent to their humanity. Anything less is unamerican.
>>28390637
Go home Hiro, no one is buying your nip bullshit
>>28390582
I learned a fuckton of asian history recently, im dating a mongolian who lives in LA's koreatown and all her friends are korean or japanese.
The irony of the japanese is that they hate losing face so much that they immediatley pretend anything embarassing didnt happen, and cover over thier insecurities by assuming an air of arrogance hidden under a thin veil of over-popoliteness. If you laugh at a jap they will secretley hate you for life, but will NEVER break that polite facade and just tell you that you insulted them. Cagey mother fuckers.
This has the unfortunate effect of just making everyone laugh harder renewing the cycle and thus compounding the problem.
Koreans are pretty cool though. They have the impeccable manners of most asians but without the insincerity that the chinese or the japs display. Really religious, they own guns and work hard. If you piss em off watch out for rooftops, they like to attack thier prey from above (usually nig nogs, LA's darker half HATES koreans)
Vietnamese, thai and phillipinos act like slant eyed mexicans, and mongolians are like asiatic russians
Mongolians are cool because they openly admit that ghangis khan wrecked shit, and tend to venerate him for building the worlds biggest land empire. They are unapologetic, but honest. Also, giving them gifts is fucking irritating because it embarasses them and they usually try to "make it up to you." Giving a gift to a mongolian makes you feel like an asshole.
The hmong are incredibly superstitious (cancel work tomorrow, the chicken bones from dinner carry ill omens, also your cold is because your soul came unglued from your body and you need to convince a cat to bite you then rub salt in the wound to make it better)
I just find the chinese obnoxious, this sentiment is apparently shared by most asians. They openly attempt to displace other asians and make minimal effort to learn english.
Idk, its been a real learning expierience for this white boy from Montana.
>>28390390
>12 million at Stalingrad.
More like 2 million, if you count military and civilian casualties on both sides. There were only about 500,000 civilians who lived in Stalingrad proper.
>>28389754
>in mass
KYS
>>28390327
>if we count slavs
But why would we?
>>28390732
>Vietnamese, thai and phillipinos act like slant eyed mexicans,
Well, in the case of the philipinos that's pretty much what they are, indigenous people that got sexy timed by conquistadors, same as the mexicans. How else would you get names like Quan-Ping Del Toro.
>>28390576
>some of the shit the Mongols used to pull
I am intrigued, what did they pull aside from:
>wholesale butchering of entire cities
>taking artisans and women
>crushing nobles under carpets
I don't recall any weird fetish tier shit like impalement and such.
>>28390637
Oh, by no means is america any better. We have comitted, and continue to commit some pretty horrid shit.
But this annoying as fuck jap arrogance disguised as over-politeness and the constant WW2 pity-pandering needs to stop.
The world would respect them more if they'd actually take responsibility for what they did and just move on.
But in my expierience japs abroad, or in interactions with foreigners always carry this undertone of arrogance stemming from a few thousand too many years huddling on thier rock in the pacific pretending that anyone from anywhere else arent humans, and that they, the descendants of the sun god himself, could either never commit atrocity, or that any atrocity they commit is immediatleyytransmuted into an acceptable even by nature of being perpetrated by the japanese.
>>28390748
ive heard the zerg rushes were ludicrous, plus i forget how long that battle lasted, but i feel like the russians could have swept a couple million under the rug
I still like the idea they were blown away so hard they transformed into perverted freaks.
>>28390769
Its the damned Spaniards fault!
>>28390772
Mongols would rape and pillage to a level that basically went unchallenged until WWII, then the Japanese took it to the next level. That's why I was saying the Japanese took it to the next level.
>>28390792
Fuck, man, at least glance at the wiki page.
>>28390797
>not the version with nuclear eyes and mushroom clouds
Step it up, anon.
>>28390495
Their entirety of contribution was taking German held concessions in China so they could rule it instead of the Germans.
Incidentally, China fought on the side of the entente during this time but with the Treaty of Versaille handed over the german holdings to Japan instead of China which was... odd.
>>28390833
Couldn't find it for some reason, thanks by the way
>>28390772
Guy with mongolian GF again.
The world isnt so hung up on that because the mongols themselves dont go skittering into damage control mode like the japanese.
They usually just shrug and say "eh, it was centuries ago, thats how it was back then"
Or, as my GF's father once said
"You guys praise Alexander the great for his conquests. He raped and murdered his way across almost as much land. One man's hero is another's devil. But nobody alive in 100 generations was there, and nobody cares about mongolia any more than they do macedon today so why fight about it."
Which is easier to respect than a bombastic outburst in broken english attempting to not just deny thier past transgressions, but also retro-edit events to attempt to play the victim card for events they maliciously created
(Japan)
If you fought your wars correctly, there would be no prisoners to treat.
>>28390235
Somebody wouldn't do that, right?
They wouldn't just lie on the internet, would they?
>>28390350
I fucking love when people try to pretend that refusing to enable genocide makes the US at fault. The US has done some shady shit in the past but the Pacific Theater was on the level. Nips reaped the whirlwind.
>>28390803
Well what also seperates japan and ghengas khan's empire is about 600 years of cultural development.
What really shocked the world was that a modern nation with science and acess to a wider world view would willingly decide to go on an international rape and pillage spree like it was still 1100 AD.
>>28390813
NOPE
>>28390803
I don't think so, in terms of total destruction caused I believe Rome was better at it.
It is just that the Mongols had for a time a more fearsome reputation but they were shit-tier at water warfare, they couldn't really crack Korea either and had to force surrender by attrition where as if you tick off Rome at its prime you were dead, whereever you are at.
>>28390899
The Mongols depopulated entire countries of millions in a matter of months.
They'd calculate the rough population of an area, and divide that by the number of warriors they had, and have each warrior bring back that number of ears, to ensure that everyone in the area was dead.
They'd come back to the same villages a few days to a week later just to make sure that nobody had survived by hiding in wells or whatever.
>>28390732
>I just find the chinese obnoxious, this sentiment is apparently shared by most asians. They openly attempt to displace other asians and make minimal effort to learn english.
Resident /k/ ABC here, my parents learned English perfectly. But plenty of FOBs can't English out their way out of a rice paper bag.
>>28390637
Only this time they actually were the good guys. Japan was pure insanity at the time
>>28390942
>why don't they just surrender?
>because they're fuckin japs
>>28390967
Exactly. You can't reason with a madman.
>>28390931
The Romans did that too, with the added bonus of forcing their own civilisation atop of the losers. In fact the Romans were so successful the descendents of the losers call themselves Romans.
>>28391004
From what I understand, generally the Romans enslaved everyone they could.
The Mongols simply didn't take slaves. Quite often, there simply were no survivors of a Mongol attack. All human life in an area was eliminated, and generally all of the livestock, cats and dogs too.
same shit happened on the eastern front. I think I read that's one of the reasons why the western front advanced so quickly, Germans were way more likely to surrender peacefully to the Americans/Brits than to the Red Army where they would be executed/enslaved
>>28390235
>go to gf's house
>she's watching japanese/english news channel
>some program on about the invasion of okinawa
>jap reporter crying about how bad it was for the japs and how unjustified it was
>laugh and mention the rape of nanking
>gf gives me the shut the hell up look
>shrug
>she keeps watching that news channel
>a few months later I notice that every time it's on they are talking about some ww2 shit
>muh unjustified nukes
>muh unjustified western aggression
>japan dindu nuffin
>>28390939
It really doesnt improve xenophobic viewpoints when they do shit like that.
You also cant deny that the chinese immigrants, or atleast the most recent wave of them, are extremeley clannish and tend to isolate themselves.
But i will grant them this, they work hard and dont cause anywhere near the trouble blacks, mexicans, or muslims do.
It is aggravating as fuck when you see some chinese buisiness tycoons kid who cant speak a word of english not only somehow get accepted into a college, but also somehow get straight A's.
I was really pissed at first that they were paying people to do thier homework, submitting forged transcripts, and paying people to write thier entrance application letters.
Then I noticed they drive lambos and ferarris and now get paid $200 a pop to write english papers for them.
Im probably not helping, but shit, they got money, i need money...... why not.
Theyre just gonna go back to hong kong and inherit thier daddies ipod sweatshop anyways.
>>28390680
>Judging from casualties alone, it seems they were pretty competent on naval warfare,
Uh, you do realize Japan lost 90% of its ships to enemy action, right?
>>28391078
Eh, war of attrition.
They were doing well to balance casualties in the beginning stages, until the US simply was churning out too many ships that the Japs weren't able to handle.
>>28391091
>Eh, war of attrition.
Sure, a war of attrition in which only one side was being attrited.
>They were doing well to balance casualties in the beginning stages
Not at all.
>>28391109
Weren't they managing to still win some battles in the start?
>>28391127
They were suffering huge k/d ratio in aircraft and losing out pretty big on capital ships and carriers.
>>28390722
since the get-go. thousands of English and German POWs settled in the US after the revolution because we treated them half decently.....when we weren't slitting their throats on Christmas that is.
>>28391060
Lol
>Mongol GF invites friends over for board games
>jap chick just OBVIOUSLY cheats on a dice roll
>chuckle to myself "heheheh, pearl harbor"
>all three japanese people at the tables freeze, turn beet red, and glare at me
>i roll the dice
>both are 6
>chuckle again, move game piece well past all of thiers, quietley mock yell "banzaaaaaai"
>look up
>"and thats how WW2 ended"
>korean guy laughs, vietnamese chick mutters "fucking americans"
>the japanese wont come over for game night anymore
My GF was really pissed "you cant mention WW2 around japanese! God! everyone knows that!!!"
>>28391032
reap what you sow mate.
>>28391127
Yes, loads. They took Singapore despite being outnumbered by the British and took the whole of the Philippines despite being outnumbered by the Americans.
>>28390350
>The US provoked Japan by cutting off their oil which is an act of war,
The US refused to trade oil with a nation that had attacked another with which it had interests. Only the most pathetic apologist could consider this an act of war.
>>28390378
>Losing an entire generation for nothing would probably make you pacifist for the next 10.
Naw. You just run the propaganda machine and get people popping them out to repopulate within 20 years. Then you wage another war.
>>28391023
For the most part the did.
Except the Carthaginians and the Jews.
They rekt Carthage and killed a fuckton of Jews. Then dispersed them thru the empire.
>>28391158
>My GF was really pissed "you cant mention WW2 around japanese! God! everyone knows that!!!"
>Because if we pretend like our history didn't happen, it really didn't!
What a backwards mentality. Should we not have talked about Vietnam or the American Civil War in the south?
>>28391167
>Yes, loads
Most coming within the first few months of the war when they were attacking undefended garrisons.
>They took Singapore despite being outnumbered by the British
They outnumbered the British in aircraft by over a factor of 5. And what aircraft the British had were outdated crap like Buffalos. They had their elite divisions there, while the Brits had native conscript divisions who had been raised just months ago.
>took the whole of the Philippines despite being outnumbered by the Americans.
There was a single American army division in the Philippines, and almost every grunt in it was a Flip.
>>28390235
fucking /Thread
>>28391158
No. You just acted like a total douche. It would be like me walking by an Arab guy who just learned his mother died of cancer and going "Haha, 9/11".
>>28390235
Hey, what about the Iraqi body count?
Any deniers for that?
>muh Americans didn't do nuffin
That said, with the widespread use of precision bombs civilian death tolls have thankfully gone down considerably.
In WW2 the Russians lost like %25 of their entire 1939 population.
>>28391158
>vietnamese chick mutters "fucking americans"
You can always go back to your rice paddy and get raped by Chinese businessmen on vacation if you can't take the bantz.
>>28391283
She was probably criticizing the low quality of the 'bantz.' Literally worse than /int/.
>>28391158
>korean guy laughs
Okay, that was kinda dickish on your part anon, but when Japs cry about WWII their tears are delicious.
>>28391232
I didn't ask you to make excuses for them, it's just a fact they happened.
>>28390576
>Nanking was fucked up
Fucked up enough that a fucking Nazi diplomat tried to intervene on behalf of the locals.
>>28391158
Kind of a dick thing to say, still hilarious though. Base Korean is base.
>>28391174
Not much different from Perry rolling into Edo and saying trade with us or I'll blow the hell out of you.
>>28391311
You obviously don't understand the first thing about how they happened if you think of them as great Japanese victories.
>>28391327
How is it not much different? It's like the polar opposite of what Perry did.
>>28391327
Are you actually this retarded? There is a huge difference between ceasing trade with a nation that is hostile to another nation friendly to you and extorting a nation to trade with you by threat of force.
>>28390679
They actually couldn't buy it anywhere else, seeing as "everywhere else" ALSO sanctioned them due to the metric fuckton of post WWI treaties to stop offensive war through trade embargos
>>28390350
>waaaaah amerisama stopped selling us coal, oil, and steel
>...because after fighting a war of expansion in mainland china for ~7 odd years we finally declared war officially
>baka america won't sell me the fuel to run my Type91 pocket tanks over these babies ;_;
two nukes weren't enough
>>28391345
>>28391351
So if Japan had refused to open up and Perry did in fact blow the shit out of the nips where would we be?
>>28390637
>>28391222
Eh, my GF is a lot more culturally sensitive than I am.
Shes got that asian "I dont want to insult house guests" thing going on too.
She actually doesnt really like japan all that much herself, albeit indirectly.
The russians used it as a pretext to set up a puppet government in her country (and then used the standing army theyd sent to "help fight japan in china" to slaughter 300,000 dissenters) which is a pretty big deal to mongolia, thier population having only just broke the 2 million mark.
Plus, the russian backed regime had an extreme hard-on for wiping out the buddhist priesthood. Which is wierd, since those guys have been living in commune style monestaries for like, 3,000 years.
She still remembers having to wait in line all day to get a piece of bread during the waning soviet years.
She also remembers her first encounter with americans being a traveling doctor who moved to her neighborhood and fixed her fucked up teeth for free.
I also got to meet some real live north koreans there when we went to visit her family last summer. Mongolia contracts farmland out to them under the idea that, north korea is bad, but preventing a famine there is more important.
The mongols also semi-secretley maintain refugee smuggling programs there that house and resettle about 5,000 north korean refugees per year to prevent china from deporting them back to north korea.
Some neat shit goes on in the empty places on our world maps.
>>28391369
What exactly is your point? I don't think anyone is arguing that what Perry did wasn't an act of war. Are you?
>>28390680
Bad small arms, bad machine guns, bad armor and artillery, underfed and poorly-trained troops led by incompetent officers who substituted viciousness for sound tactics.
Japanese ground pounders were dedicated, enthusiastic, and tenacious, but that only gets you so far.
>>28391404
I'm saying Japan's use of force over the US embargo was not much different from the US's use of force to open trade with Japan.
The difference being one gave in and the other didn't.
>>28391369
I don't care what could have happened, because it is all speculation and irrelevant. What Perry did to Japan could have very easily been used to justify war, but nothing happened.
>>28391428
Yeah, literally no one's saying otherwise.
>>28391078
Getting shit on by America doesn't necessarily mean you have a shit military, it just means America is #1 for a reason.
>>28391158
>"you cant mention WW2 around japanese!
>Well you started it!
>No we didn't!
>Yes you did, you invaded Manchuria!
>>28391461
winrar
>>28391149
>thousands of English and German POWs settled in the US after the revolution because we treated them half decently
Canada is full of people who's ancestors were chased out of the US under threat of assault and murder, for supporting the British crown.
I doubt POW's were flocking to live there.
>>28391477
>not supporting American Independence
They had it coming, those filthy traitors!
>>28391369
basically the history of the philippines and path to nationhood in the late modern era after being a "protectorate" for a long ass time; only difference is the US doing the gruntwork instead of the spanish to militarily wreck an Age of Empires tier tech gap society. it's one of those things that would completely rewrite history from then on in too many ways to extrapolate.
The more I learn about the World Wars, the more I realize how idiotic /pol/ is collectively. They're parroting the same shit day in and day out that was used to feed people into the meat grinder.
>>28391428
If you're making the argument that might makes right, then this argument is already over, isn't it?
>>28391499
/pol/, the only people to drink the koolaid and ask for seconds.
>>28391384
It's amazing how Americans are the only people in the world to not understand how to keep your fucking yap shut and be polite for 5 minutes instead of turning the Freedom of Speech into a license to act like an asshole.
Also...
>800 years after Genghis Khan
>Mongolian people still totally based
>>28391023
They took quite a lot of slaves actually. How do you think they got so good at siegcraft? Because the Chinese were real good at it. They had the rare talent for recognising and using talent. Though they did slaughter everyone if you pissed em off enough.
>>28391525
Next time they won't cheat at throwing dice.
>>28391543
They were pretty good at snapping up specialists and integrating them into the war machine.
If you were just a peasant farmer, you could kiss your well toned ass goodbye.
>>28390680
Their equipment was outdated because all the resources went into the navy.
>>28391564
Actually the army was the branch with more political pull.
>>28391477
>being a filthy fucking tori
>18th century britfags being told to leave at the end of a gun is the same thing as the piles of former PoWs that emigrated to post war america from the ruined shithole that was post war europe.
do they not teach history in canada? you probably masturbate furiously over burning part of DC (that did nothing tactically besides waste your own resources) but were never taught that York was burnt to the fucking ground after a sound british defeat too.
We should treat our fellow humans nicely, so that we can avoid war and conflict entirely.
But it hasn't happened in the past and damn well won't happen in the future.
>>28391589
War is sad because it holds back humanity from getting together and going out of Earth to rule the galaxy and fuck shit up.
>>28390521
>believing baseless propaganda with zero evidence
muh nuremberg trials!
>>28390899
>Mongols were shit-tier at water warfare
Yeah, it's almost like they lived in the center of Asia and were used to riding horses to get wherever they wanted.
>>28391212
The Mongols wrecked fucking PERSIA. As in, all of it (most of the Middle East in fact, they did more harm to the muslim world than the Crusaders ever did). Ever heard of the Kwarezemid Empire? Of course you haven't because their king was the famous idiot who had Genghis Khan's ambassador beheaded, and the rest of the diplomatic party's beards lit on fire. It's actually one of 2 kingdoms that he ordered to be completely destroyed, the other famous one was a death-bed order that his army carried out.
>>28391621
War is necessary because it's one of the things that keeps our population growth from outstripping our means of sustainable food production.
There's no way in hell people are going to manage their reproduction rates voluntarily until everywhere reaches the post industrial quality of life that produces replacement/sustainable reproduction rates, so until then there has to be some way of battening the numbers down to prevent hungry mouths from completely stripping the land of its ability to produce food with unsustainable agriculture.
The problem is, it's not working.
>>28391665
the Mongols also effectively razed Baghdad quite a few times, one of the few peeps to do so.
I'll always be curious about the alternate universe where they didn't completely destroy the library of Alexandria...
>>28391588
>do they not teach history in canada?
Of course, but 1812 is about as minor a subject for us as it is for the US, shockingly.
They maybe talk about it for a day longer, since I went to school in Halifax, which was a major naval base during the war. And there's pieces from the USS Chesapeake in one of the local museums.
Also...
>18th century britfags being told to leave at the end of a gun is the same thing as the piles of former PoWs that emigrated
>it's alright to chase people off their land if they have different politics than you.
>normal levels of immigration are "piles of people fleeting Europe"
>>28389754
By the way, propaganda aside I think one big thing fuelling the Japanese' fear of being tortured if they were captured was that they treated people who surrendered like absolute shit and probably figured it cut both ways...
Courtesy of the lovely culture that gave the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_ship
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Railway
>>28391791
>18th century britfags being told to leave at the end of a gun
what do you expect when there was a fucking WAR fought over that difference in politics
>>28391509
No, I was making the argument that what Japan did was not much different than what other expansionist countries have done.
>>28390235
Jap w/ Jap parents here. Can confirm. They think grorios nippon banzai land dindu nuffin.
Fuck Japan. This is why I think OP Downfall should have gone forwards after the nukings. Nazi Germany doesn't exist because the Nazi culture got bitch slapped and ground into the fucking dirt. Japan's culture still exists as it did. China. Korea, the Philippines, they were all a sea or two away so the general population never saw they Asian holocaust. If the Japanese people were forced to clean up after their mess, things would be a lot different.
>>28392157
Why should your parents feel guilt or anything for shit that had literally nothing to do with them?
>>28391780
I wouldn't be surprised if not much would have changed if the Library of Alexandria still existed.
Most scrolls at Alexandria were copies of written works brought in by trade ships. I'm sure some of the works were irreplaceable, but the vast majority would probably still exist elsewhere.
>>28391525
That's exactly what FREEDOM OF SPEECH is you euro trash faggot.
>>28391544
>44
Confirmed, never cheat when throwing dice.
>>28390350
It was because the Japs pissed everybody off and marched into French Indochina.
They got cocky and paid the price for it.
>>28391791
>it's alright to chase people off their land if they have different politics than you.
Don't lose a war if you don't want to face the consequences.
>>28392221
It's not about feeling guilt or think they have to pay reparations.
It's about the fact that they, or pretty much the majority of the Japanese population, refuse to believe that Japan did anything wrong.
At least the Germans acknowledge what happened.
>>28392248
>That's exactly what FREEDOM OF SPEECH is you euro trash faggot.
The freedom of speech was intended to promote discourse, especially political discourse when the population is unhappy with the government.
The fact that it gives you the right to call your neighbor a stupid nigger is a happy side-effect, and doesn't need to be exercised at every opportunity if you have any damn manners.
>>28391158
>Mongol GF
>jap chick
>all three japanese people
>korean guy
>vietnamese chick
Where the fuck do you have game night? The bottom of a rice cooker or something?
>>28390680
Other than what other's have said, it's also a result of their strict military culture not leaving any room for setbacks or defeat. So for example in the Solomon Islands the japs started using human wave tactics. They were ineffective and resulted in a massive loss of life, but commanders kept reporting back that the tactic was sound. So it became standard policy, human wave attacks were a regular thing. Which was fucking retarded especially at a time when they were running out of men.
>>28391722
>War is necessary because it's one of the things that keeps our population growth from outstripping our means of sustainable food production.
Don't be retarded. A living human can produce more than he can consume. If any thing, war prevented many places from reclaiming arable lands and focusing on agriculture and other productive enterprises.
>>28391791
>being a filthy fucking tori and turning against your colony
>kowtowing to a tyrant 8000 miles away because you like how the shackles chafe
>>28391525
>do shit
>get called out
>OMG SO FUCKING RUDE GOD DAMN AMERIFATS
I came here to laugh at you.
>>28390680
They did "OK" against us in their initial invasion of the Philippines but that was mainly because of MacArthur going against the old defense plan. Once you get to stuff like Guadalcanal their army is suddenly shit-tier aside from dying in droves and not surrendering.
Americans surrendered the Philippines after Corregidor had been invaded and fought over for 8 hours. Japanese fought in the same conditions on the same island for 6 weeks until they all died.
The Japanese navy in '41 was very modern but their Army was stuck in this pre-WW1 mindset.
>>28392325
Japanese navy was outdated just as much. The only difference was US and British navies were also outdated since there had been a 2 decades long moratorium on naval expansion and replacement.
>>28391722
food's not the issue. resources. Oil, phosphorus, etc etc. Not just food.
>there has to be some way of battening the numbers down to prevent hungry mouths from completely stripping the land of its ability to produce food with unsustainable agriculture.
The easiest way is to promote homosexuality, make childlessness seem fashionable and to promote abortion as a valid choice in a culture that values obstinate individualism and freedom.
War's alot more costly than simply turning everyone into faggots via propaganda and education.
>>28391525
>It's amazing how Americans are the only people in the world to not understand how to keep your fucking yap shut and be polite for 5 minutes instead of turning the Freedom of Speech into a license to act like an asshole.
Well, given that only the US, Russia and China qualify as genuinely sovereign states (rather than fucktoys that could be nuked into oblivion by any of those three), we actually know as a matter of course what sovereign people should know:
that violence is the last word, not etiquette, and if you fucking colonial natives want to say something about our lack of etiquette, then do something about it.
>>28390888
>trips of truth
its like if youre successful lawyer neighbor suddenly came out of his house covered in mud, wearing a loincloth. Then proceeding to shit on his lawn, beat a small girl on a tricycle to death, and burn down the house across the street from him.
The japanese were willing to do what the Chinese refused to in the 18th century. they consolidated power, expanded territory, and rebuilt their military in western standards. after fucking the Russians in 1905, they became THE major non-western pacific power.
Sure they whine about mean old USA and Perry, sailing into their harbor and coercing them into trade, but that set them on the course to dominate that area of the world until after WW2.
>>28392353
They still had the 3rd most powerful navy in the world and gave our surface fleet a few black eyes at Java Sea and Savo Island before they.
Japan's most important asset was their experienced air wings and they had a fucking abysmal attrition rate and by '42-'43 the Zero was already outdated.
What a pointless war for Japan when they didn't have the merchant fleet tonnage to bring back all the oil in the East Indies and rubber from Singapore even if there were no allied Submarines at all in the Pacific. Even in '44 they had no real convoy system in place and by then they had lost something like 150,000 tons a MONTH to our subs.
>>28390546
You turned a nation, which only couple centuries ago was an island full of pirates and less centuries ago was starting shit against its two large neighbors, into a modernized military-industrial super power.
>train and bulk up a rottweiler to be the biggest and angriest piece of shit in the block
>act surprised when it starts to bite people
>>28392482
>The japanese were willing to do what the Chinese refused to in the 18th century.
It's not very fair to compare the clusterfuck of late Qing China to Meiji Japan.
Japanese had the essential stepping stones of westernization because of a long trade history with the Dutch at Nagasaki while the Chinese were plagued by an incompetent and corrupt bureaucracy.
>>28392157
ABC Here, my grandfather joined the US Army just in time to do Olympic /Downfall (basically death). I rather like not being retconned because butthurt fags can't handle Freedom Chemo.
>>28389754
I personally wouldnt fuck with a nation so crazy they put bayonets on their fucking machine guns.
>>28391158
what the fuck?
no way this is real
>>28390350
While im sure the japs didnt take too kindly to the embargo, how exactly does that excuse then wanton rape and murder of civilians and POW's? Or the brutal medic experiments?
>>28391621
Actually, most wars of the past had little (lasting) effect on scientifc advancement, nor large-scale projects. Certainly not on future space exploration (unless we yet blow us all up with nukes.)
>>28391722
War starts or becomes easier because someone would prefer taking someone elses to staying hungry (and become part of a civil war faction or a soldier/mercenary), but proactive population management was hardly ever the intention.
>>28392303
In historic times, shortage of arable land was a real concern. New lands could be acquired by war, often against non-agricultural enemies (think the colonization of america or the conquest of the russian steppe).
One reason for the civil wars of african and arab states might actually be the shortage of official positions, that is money from government, raw material production, development aid etc. Industrial nations allow every person to indeed produce and gain wealth (some aren't capable of that and predictably become criminal unless paid off with welfare). Third world counries OTOH offer relative affluence for a limited number of people and next to nothing to everyone else. Thus the immense unemployment and resulting civil unrest.
>>28392501
Not saying in hindsight it doesnt make sense, but it shocked the fuck out of the western world at the time.
The consequences of a nation being modernized too fast have always been bloody, but at the time (late 1800's and early 1900's) america was seeing eastern nations rapidly accelerating from iron age fuedal agrearian societies to industrialized stateies
It really fit with the ideals of american exceptionalism at the time because they could go "see! It works! Its the right thing! Just look at japan, they went from bows and swords to planes and tanks in just a few decades! See! We were right!"
And then western society had its WW1 in which outdated ideologies and tactics supported by the worlds first industrialized militaries lead to mass slaughter for goals that no longer mattered in modern society.
At the heart of WW2 hitler wanted a return to fuedal german ideals and japan wanted to finish all the conquest they never got done with thier spears and swords.
At the very heart of the entire conflict was just the last gasps of arcane mentalities.
The japs had planes, trains, and automobiles, but theyd advanced thier tech farther than thier culture. And it apalled western sensibilities that thier fancy toys and sciences were not, in fact, a cure for human nature or barbaric cultural relics.
>>28391589
>>28391621
The only way to stop war is to destroy trade barriers and increase global trade. People tend to find diplomatic solutions when their own country has ties. "If goods don't cross borders, soldiers will".
Although I will agree that a key aspect of free trade is "treating people nicely" in the sense of being able to do business in good faith.
>>28392631
>put 3x rifle scope on light machinegun
>view obscured by offset irons
>offset irons due to top feeding 20 round magazine
>20 round magazine
>put 2ft long sword bayonet on bipod fired light machinegun
>only 1/3 of blade extends past the barrel
nippon borderlands: 1940's special edition.
if memory serves, doesn't the type 99 also use an oil reservoir to lube bullets
>>28392695
>japs didn't take kindly to the embargo
>that automatically was triggered from every western power
>when japan finally declared thier offensive war of expansion
>almost a decade after they threw their hat into the chinese civil war
>>28392709
well stated.
>>28391158
topkek
10/10 mate thats fucking hilarious
butthurt japs
>>28390470
Everyone knows the ancient Israelites killed giants and human sacrificing savages, dude.
Nooo wayyyy were they regular humans minding their own business on their own land until Jews tried murdering them.
Right?
Guys?
>>28389754
One of the problems with surrendering is you cannot ensure, at any point in time, that the enemy will treat you justly and humanely after you give up all means to defend yourself. Unconditional surrender should only be attempted when there is absolutely no way out of a situation through force and you have something left to protect.
Establishing credability of an army who treats its prisoners justly is a huge challenge considering all the secrecy and lies surrounding prisoners. You could place captured soldiers under house arrest, and they could declare at any time they suffered abuse and torture even if you didn't lay a finger on them.
>>28392678
Why wouldnt it be?
Im a white guy who was in the marine infantry for 8 years.
I have an abusive sense of humor, no american friends, and an asian girlfriend.
I mostly hang out with asians due to the latter.
And yeah, i was the asshole in that scenario (in response to all the guys saying I was an ass, I totally was)
Was a year ago. My GF is helping me be less anti-social.
But everyone has to admit, it IS a funny story. Its making me laugh right now, i bet half of you fellas freaking out calling me a culturally insensitive ass get on here and toss the words nigger, spick, and faggot around about 10 times a day, but insult the people from whom the precious weeb content originates and ho-lee-shit yall are jhonny on the spot to get butthurt that im being rude to another culture.
-U.S citizen (used to live in Japan).
-Went to a Japanese high school
-Went U.S. high school
-Here is how things seemed to have actually happened.
1. Beginning of history China ruled practically everything in Asia.
2. Japan sick of being a tributary.
3. Japan also has a quarrel with sister Korea possibly due to possible subconscious memories of the collapsed Baekje kingdom (who were possibly the ancestors of the modern Japanese).
4. Japan invades China in 1894, which also gives access to Korea.
5. Due to Japans resentment and new-found superiority the atrocities begin.
6. U.S. sees Japan cutting in on their plans for controlling/colonizing Asia (i.e: Philippine–American War). Japanese atrocities were not a deciding factor, but maybe a good excuse to embargo Japan.
7. Japan realized they have a emerging threat/contender and decide to roulette wheel a preemptive strike and force the U.S. into a non-aggression treaty like they did with Russia.
8. Pearl Harbor.
9. Six years of brutal war and propaganda. I think this is probably the best example of total and absolute war besides the American Civil War (that I have reference to).
10. Atomic bomb.
11. A supersizing amount of Japanese people including the leaders of Japan at first thought the atomic bomb was an "act/phenomenon of nature." Also, there was a translation error that occurred during the talks between Japan and the U.S. about this incident.
12. Awful I know, but I think the atomic bomb saved both Japanese and U.S. lives. The Japanese people of the 1940s would literally fight to the very last person.
13. Later on Japan edits the war out of their history. My school books in Japan had basically a sterile three/four page summary of World War II (like it happened 3000 years ago) - the same way the Native American genocides are never/barely covered in U.S. history books.
14. Through all my travels I have talked to a lot of old people about the war from all countries and have come to the conclusion that their were no "good guys."
15. Everybody raped, killed prisoners, etc...
16. Hopefully people learn, but I have not seen any proof of that.
>>28392709
Considering the barbarities of european WWII or european colonization in africa and elsewhere, I don't think the japs were that far out of the line, nor could the west have expected them to suddenly become peacefully isolationist the way westerners only became after WWII.
>>28390405
Most US oil is domestic and most that isn't is Canadian.
>>28392808
WRONG!
its not murder when jews do it because they are gods children. As a matter of fact god told them hed be pissed if they DIDNT wipe out every man woman and child in canaan.
IN FACT, god punished isreal for showing mercy by letting rome subjugate them.
(And when god changed his mind and sent his son to spread peace and love they knew it was a trick to test them and crucified that dude to let god know they had learned thier lesson on the not showing mercy thing)
>>28392708
>In historic times
What the fuck is "historic" times, you moron?
>shortage of arable land was a real concern
Shortage was men was always the larger concern at least until the 19th century when infant mortality rates began to drop. Most of Europe was wastelands for most of "historical times." Not that I'd expect you to know it.
> New lands could be acquired by war, often against non-agricultural enemies (think the colonization of america or the conquest of the russian steppe).
You are a moron. Please stop posting.
>>28392875
>I think this is probably the best example of total and absolute war besides the American Civil War
besides like world war 2 germany and world war 2 russia which were pretty much 100% total war
not to mention that Briton exploited the living fuck out of its colonies to fund its war effort and places like yugoslavia where most of the population ended up in some way involved in the resistance effort
>>28392971
jajajajaja
...
jajajajaja
>>28392491
>gave our surface fleet a few black eyes at Java Sea and Savo Island before they.
So they won a couple of meaningless battles against literal scraps, what is this supposed to prove?
You forgot the part in which I stated - "that I have reference to." I am not so close to the European perspective of things.
>>28392424
>violence is the last word, not etiquette, and if you fucking colonial natives want to say something about our lack of etiquette, then do something about it.
My fucking sides
>>28392482
>>28392761
>put 3x rifle scope on light machinegun
>view obscured by offset irons
Pretty sure the scope's view runs on the opposite side of the iron sights.
>20 round magazine
30 rounds, actually. Which was very typical of LMGs of the time.
>put 2ft long sword bayonet on bipod fired light machinegun
>only 1/3 of blade extends past the barrel
No excuses here. Just jap craziness.
>if memory serves, doesn't the type 99 also use an oil reservoir to lube bullets
No, the Type 96 LMG did, however.
>>28392971
If people were in such short supply, please explain this to me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_trap
>In accordance with the theory, cross-country evidence indicates that technological superiority and higher land productivity had significant positive effects on population density but insignificant effects on the standard of living, during the time period 1–1500 AD.
No part of civilized Europe was a wasteland except for those that were temporarily plagued by war or populated by hostile steppe nomads. Everything else was used for the production of food or raw materials as far as technology permitted.
>>28393153
all my fucking keks
>>28393153
>half of your war expenditure is funded by private British/Americans billionaires like Jacob Schiff
>still end up bankrupt at the end of the war
Stupid Japs. They got lucky at Tsushima and still thought a "decisive battle" would win them WW2 even though they brokered a peace through us in the Russo-Japanese war.
>>28393263
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
How about you go through that list of famines and pick out the ones that happened because a country had maxed out its theoretical agricultural production? Go on, I'll wait.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_trap
What is the point of this link? Malthuse's theory was retarded then, and it is even more retarded to believe in it now.
>No part of civilized Europe was a wasteland except for those that were temporarily plagued by war or populated by hostile steppe nomads.
No, a great part of Europe was either swamps or unproductive forest. And periodically reclaimed lands returned to the wastes thanks mostly to wars reducing Europe's scarce population even further.
>Everything else was used for the production of food or raw materials as far as technology permitted.
Just stop.
>>28390767
If you count jews as people, why not slavs?
>>28392761
>almost a decade after they threw their hat into the chinese civil war
unless you count Mukden in '31 the Marco Polo bridge incident was in '37 and that's not even half a decade.
>>28393321
>because a country had maxed out its theoretical agricultural production
Almost all of them m8.
>Malthus
You did read the "Evidence" part, yes? Malthus' theory applied to most of history BEFORE he formulated it. That technology and falling birth rates invalidated it soon after is not related to that.
>swamps
Cannot be used for agriculture if you do not have the technology to clear it... I might have mentioned something of the sort...
>unproductive forest
Did not exist. Forests were used for firewood, lumber and even as pasture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_pasture
which btw. reduced many woods so much that by the late middle ages, there were official programs to preserve remaining forests as wood source.
Btw. you're free to give your sources, instead of calling me a moron...
>>28390732
Living in Canada, a lot of Chinese students are great, with about half just being reclusive LoL players, and the other half being extremely social. Overall they're somewhere between neutral and great
>>28393763
You are canadian. Youre opinion of "somewhere between nuetral and great" probably applies to just about anything.
Canadians are a much more friendly and accepting bunch.
>>28390381
top kek
>>28390235
fishing for a screencap so hard, the general structure of this post is like a basic bitch on reddit talking stupid shit like a fag
>>28392424
>>28391525
BTFO
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>>28391158
fake_and_gay/10
all of your posts have been
chink strategies are pretty much common sense
>fight when you are strong and the enemy is weak
>you must get good intel on the enemy
>treat the people that you are conquering well so they don't revolt
>>28394637
This desu.
>japs, koreans, viets all hanging out in one place playing some board game
Yeah not buying it.
>>28390350
>The US provoked Japan by cutting off their oil which is an act of war,
No it's not. Japan shouldn't have started expanding and the US wouldnt have done it
>>28391975
We don't force Separatist quebecers out at gunpoint
>>28395901
once a war starts over it, maybe you will
if you guys had any guns, I mean :^)
>>28390235
Fucking dindu nips, owning up to where your ancestors fucked up isnt that big of a deal
>>28393976
The Chinese I've met, and I go to "waterwoo", that's a lot of Chinese, and they live up to a Canadian standard of neutral to great, that says a lot about the Chinese
>>28395912
This is after we had a war with them, when they were the French
>>28390235
But we nuked them after they greed to like 99% of our terms of surrender anon...
>>28396954
I guess they should have agreed to our other 1%.
Daily reminder that justified or not (although probably yes), US nuked gooks not to "save lives of the soldiers" or anything like that, but as a last mean to force Japan into surrendering to them before Stalin tries water after kicking japs out of Manchuria - that could lead to Japan getting divided like Germany, instead of becoming a purely American fucktoy.
>tfw when there never was a Tokyo Wall
>tfw fucked up gook neets will never be fixed by a reunion with their slav-squatting, alchohol-tolerant brethern
>>28396954
There was only 1 surrender "term", anon, which was that they should surrender without any terms.
>Most of /k/ despises Chinese
>whine about Japs killing loads of them in Nanking
Make up your fucking minds
>>28390652
The final nail in the coffin was the Soviet Union declaring war on Japan. The US didn't want to split its pacific holdings with the commies after the island hoping campaign.
>>28398648
How exactly were the Reds supposed to get across the water?
>>28390772
Listen to Dan Carlins Wrath of the Khans podcast series. It's a little long but has some great detail.
>>28399464
You can dislike the chinese and still consider the slaughter of their children and the rape of their women by foreign invaders to be morally reprehensible.
>>28390235
This, for as much as foreigners like to whine and cry about American views on ww2, the Japanese are fucking atrocious.
The amount of weeaboos there are that fall over themselves to excuse anything Japan did is pretty sickening
>>28399494
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Navy#World_War_II:_The_Great_Patriotic_War
basically with nothing.
>mfw every soviet naval victory was on land when they were forced to fight as infantry
>mfw most of the russian navy was given to them by the brits and americans
at least the parts that worked and weren't from WWI
>mfw most of the russian navy was destroyed at port by the germans or blockaded in harbor for the entire war due to static mines
>mfw the pacific fleet was gutted of all useful ships due to the baltic and black sea fleets being cheeki breeki'd
>>28390235
>im guessing he was the jap equivalent of our holocaust deniers.
Except the holocaust never actually happened like they said it did and all the ''evidence'' was faked by the soviet union after the war ended.
>>28399547
From the picture you've posted I can tell a lot about you, that you're biased towards the idea of the number being faked and you're not going to actually read into anything besides Facebook-tier images, perhaps with some text over it.
Now to pick apart your image, the earlier ones are talking about Jews in Russia alone, whereas the later ones are talking about Jewish casualties for the entire world.
Whoever is trying to say that they're both the same people didn't even bother to look closely at their own image, or they did but knew people like you wouldn't care enough to read it.
>>28393976
Where does this meme come from? Canadians always come off as passive aggressive and arrogant to me
>>28391158
are you Basil Faulty?
>>28391957
>Allies blew up 20,000 of their prisoners in these hell ships, even when they knew if prisoners were on them.
People were shit everywhere, not just Japan.
>>28399578
Stay blind, goy
>>28399613
Actually, a lot of the guys on hell ships were hoping that a sub or two would slam some torpedoes on the ship they're on. You have a better chance surviving/getting away than being transported on bumfuck somewhere. Might as well as kill yourself if you ended up on Japan itself.
>>28390853
I got home from work too late to take part in this, but that made me think of a book I read
Basically time gets fucked up and a bunch of microsms pop up, each from a distinct time period. Alexander the Great and Ghenghis are the two big-dicks left on the new, fucked-up earth.
So of course, they fight.
Time's Eye by Arthur C Clark and Stephen Baxter.
Check it out, lads
>>28390350
>no choice but to expand or die
It was that mentality, and the murder of tens of thousands of Chinese at the time that created the embargo in the first place you stupid gook.
>>28390235
>Firthy American piggus! Grorious nippon did nothingu wrongu! You pig Americans provoke us with fat burger gut! China had it comingu
>>28390235
and to add insult to injury, we censored all their porn
who knew what a horrible mistake that would turn out to be 60 years on
thanks macarthur...
>>28399769
Why does MacArthur kept doing a best job of ruining things?
>completely turned the defense of the Philippines into a clusterfuck
>didn't bother hanging the Emperor and some major war criminals, leading to the japs' dindu attitude today
>>28399801
he was a massive cuck that's why
>>28391071
>they work hard and dont cause anywhere near the trouble blacks, mexicans, or muslims do
typically, yes. but they do get up to shenanigans under the radar.
>>28391259
Except those two things are nothing alike you fucking retard. And if I'm playing a board game, no trash-talking is off limits.
>>28399769
>>28399806
Where can I find more like this? What is it called?
>>28391361
>nobody sold oil to the japs
>its the US fault guies
>>28390542
Being this brainwashed.
Literally no evidence whatsoever.
Same propaganda used against the Germans in both world wars.
What a sheep.
>>28400186
>GERMANS DINDU NUFFIN!
>IT WAS DUH ALLIES FAULT! HITLER A GOOD BOY, HE WAS GONNA GO TA ARTSCHOOL
>>28400186
None except for the physical evidence, the written evidence, and testimony of survivors that seems to match up with the other evidence and photos taken by soldiers on both fronts.
>>28390534
Communism was born in germany, not in Russia.
>>28400437
I doubt Marx envisioned braindead slavs and chinamen taking up his banner and mass murdering millions
>>28400537
>the last capitalist we hang will be the one who sold us the rope
Marx was not really against killing
>>28392288
Reminding people who refuse to own up to their countries crime, what happens when you step out of line.
Maybe If they accepted and apologized for the crimes they commited people wouldn't feel the need to be rude.
The US goofed at the end of ww2.
We should have hunted down every one of the nip officers and noncoms involved in Nanking and everything else they did.
Instead they got to live out their lives. Most without even a prison sentence.
Don't get me wrong. I love the Japanese people. But that shit still bugs me.
>>28390400
shitposting aside, 6 million was a commonly used number for the jews
>>28402816
>Now to pick apart your image, the earlier ones are talking about Jews in Russia alone, whereas the later ones are talking about Jewish casualties for the entire world.
>Whoever is trying to say that they're both the same people didn't even bother to look closely at their own image, or they did but knew people like you wouldn't care enough to read it.
>>28402839
I didn't say anything about the time period or place of the newspapers, only that 6 million in reference to persecuted jews is not a number unique to the holocaust.
>>28390732
flip here, i fucking hate my kind sometimes....and by sometimes i mean most of the time
>>28402816
That's nice. Not sure what that has to do with the fact that historical scholarship settled on a consensus number of ~6 million after decades of research.
