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What went wrong?
>>28381435
What actually went right with this project?
They didn't morph enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY
>>28381435
The computer lacked man's killer instinct.
>>28381469
This gave me nightmares
>>28381435
A donkey is both cheaper and more reliable. In all senses bar none
>>28381469
What the fuck
>>28381466
everything.
>>28381435
DOD/Generals suddenly went back to their old ways and decided they didn't care about how much soldiers carried, again.
>>28381706
Everything went right and the project was cancelled. Go figure.
>>28381435
Nothing, the project evolved. It's now lighter faster and quieter than the bot in your photo. Look up Boston Dynamic's YouTube page.
Apparently it was way too loud
>>28381792
Lighter faster AND QUIETER!
>>28381435
I read on HN recently that they were too loud to operate with
>>28381435
Too loud and requires too much maintenance.
I don't think the concept is dead, they just want something better.
>>28381840
If it's stable enough to be a weapons platform they should just make them RC and send them in first to scare the jesus out of the enemy
>>28381766
If it doesn't take 20 years, tens of bilions/hundreds of billions/trillions of dollars, and get officer easy jobs when they retire. It gets cancelled.
What is it?
they went to have the marines test them, they're mostly worried about interface issues at this point. Marines were literally too dumb.
> "Yeah they're cool, but they're too loud."
> "Yeah we'll have a quieter version, we're not testing that. Just let us know how the interface works."
> "Yeah but they are like, loud and shit."
> "We know, just pretend they are quiet for this."
>"yeah but they aren't quiet, they're like loud."
>"We know, just pretend."
>"But....they're loud and not operator."
>"We should have just hired 3 slovakians and a goat named harold, fuck it lets cancel it."
>"Ok, because it was loud."
>>28381469
cyriak is the shit, I wish he'd make videos more often
>>28382083
It was a stupid concept to begin with. Just buy mules for 1/10th of the cost. Hell the marines already have a mule packer course.
>>28382709
Is that at pickle meadows, ive driven through the pass there and seen what i had thought was horse trailers
>>28382725
yep. Its a part of the mountain warfare package.
>>28382725
>>28382742
oh and they do shit with horses too but thats mainly for the raiders and force recon guys
>>28381435
Nothing. Still being experimented with. They need better batteries and/or fuel economy to be practical.
>>28382709
Theres a reason people stopped using mules/horses
>>28382832
They didn't though, many people still uses mules and horses.
You can buy a trained mule, today for $1500.
It is quiet
All natural
Runs on cheap fuel
Carrys a bunch of weight
Has wonderful pussy
Docile
All terrain
Can alert you to the presence of others
In case of emergancy can be eaten as food.
Slightly smarter than a marine
>>28382763
Some sorta nuclear battery would work
>>28382832
no one ever stopped using them. they're pretty much the only thing you can use in difficult terrain...them and multi million dollar machines that imitate what mules and horses do.
>>28382851
Animal slavery is immoral and cruel
>>28381469
what the hell is going on
>>28382861
Beat me to it.
>>28382865
Thats not what your mom said as u ride her around
>>28382851
>Slightly smarter than a marine
hueh
>>28382851
Mules are kind of a pain in the ass to deal with though.
>I am not aware of ever having used a profane expletive in life; but I would have the charity to excuse those who may have done so, if they were in charge of a train of Mexican pack mules at the time.
>US Grant
>>28382756
Raiders and Recon get all the good shit, regular Marines just fuck goats and Sailors.
that feel when no mule buddy
>>28382889
>Mexican pack mules.
Found the problem
>>28382890
I guess you missed the post where I said that mule packing is a part of the mountain warfare package. its not so much that its cool guys getting cool shit more than it is horses not being too much use to a line battalion
>>28382919
No, I saw that part. I was just making a general homoerotic joke about Marines sticking their dicks into goats and Sailors.
>>28382854
No. I suggest you take a look at what powers the Curiosity rover.
Stupidly expensive, heavy and generates a fuckton of heat. They use them for space probes because nothing else will cut it, here on earth it's a terrible idea.
>>28382861
>>28382832
>>28382847
>>28382851
mules/donkey/horses are expensive.
they have to be trained, they need a handler trained, caretakers, grazing land, feed, water, medical care.
they can still be difficult to work with when trained. they don't do airborne/air assault/amphibious operations. they make a sanitation problem.
a robot is a lot simpler for soldiers in the field. it either works or it doesn't. it doesn't get spooked by loud noises. it follows commands. you can tell it to go home and it will. robot doesn't care if you toss it out of an airplane, helicopter, or a boat. robot doesn't poop and piss all over the bivouac site. when it isn't in use. You can just put the robot in a connex.
They evolved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQ_JEbsAHU
![Tachikoma_WIP[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vD7en6Y.jpg "Tachikoma_WIP[1].jpg")
Needs to be given wheels for feet and a kawaii uggu AI.
The wheels at least would allow them to roll at faster speeds. saving walking for when they just can not roll.
This isn't even my final form.
>>28381435
Bees will be a rare resource in future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-U&feature=related
Germans used horse and cart for logistics.
Americans used machines.
America won the war.
Seriously, you guys are too critical of the first iteration. The first airplanes can barely fly meters off the ground and only for minutes at a time.
>>28381435
Everybody associated with this project fooled themselves into thinking they could make a whisper-quiet load-bearing robot with the ability to withstand the rigors of a combat patrol.
I applaud the ingenuity of the folks at Boston Dynamics, but they took a very simple problem -- lightening a soldier's load -- and developed a needlessly complex and costly solution to it.
The money spent on that robot could have gone toward developing featherweight Level IV plates and some kind of laser rifle that takes lightweight rechargeable batteries.
>>28383780
I somehow want to see that shit trying to walk without any articulation. Would be funny.
>>28383812
>The money spent on that robot could have gone toward developing featherweight Level IV plates and some kind of laser rifle that takes lightweight rechargeable batteries
for some reason, I get the feeling you're a retard
>>28383812
It isn't the weapon, fighting kit, or bodyarmor that is the weight problem. It is the 60 pounds of bullshit you have to carry when doing dismounted stuff outside the wire for days at a time.
>>28383845
You post anime and can't even be bothered to punctuate your sentences.
The only retarded kid around here is you.
>>28383854
>60 pounds of bullshit you have to carry
That's also a problem, but there are ways to lighten that load.
Tell other engineers to figure out a way to do just that with the millions of dollars that DARPA gave Boston Dynamics, and you'll get a solution that would be far better than a four-legged robot operating by way of an internal combustion engine.
>>28383634
PU-238 ain't that expensive.
Heat is how it produces its power
>The power density of polonium is unique and made it attractive as a power source. One pound of polonium-210 occupies a volume of approximately 3 cubic inches and produces heat at the rate of 3.6 x 108 British Thermal Units (BTUs) per minute or about 64 kilowatts of electric power. With a thermal energy output of 120 watts per g, polonium-210 was selected initially for use in the RTG.
This would work
You would have a new po210 "battery" to swap in every 30-60 days or whatever, when the old one is running low.
>>28382865
Blame the Navy for wanting their own special snowflake army.
![745f11aeeab46f2a4278eda9e6873309[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UMynEtI.jpg "745f11aeeab46f2a4278eda9e6873309[1].jpg")
>>28383928
Unless you can invent the Fremen Still Suit. You can't do anything about the huge weight in water I had to carry in Afghanistan.
>>28383958
polonium is horribly dangerous though.
>>28381435
The AI developed feelings then someone tried milking one of the prototypes. It trampled him to death and they mothballed the project, like they should have done when the handler got killed in Jurassic Park.
>>28384019
It's an alpha emitter, but highly toxic
Horribly dangerous to be in any warzone, desu.
>>28381816
The article I read said that the quieter model couldn't carry nearly as much weight as the louder one.
>>28384080
I don't want to have to put on my pro mask, rub my self down in activated charcoal, and then get washed down by a pressure washer. All because my robot pack mule cracked its RTG.
>>28384109
Build the RTG's tough, shouldn't be an issue
You wouldn't need to do this anyways, because you would be in your power armor.
>>28382709
"Gunpowder is too expensive, just go back to using bows and spears"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w
Now imagine a patrol of these with LRAD enforcing curfews throughout the city under martial law.
>>28381469
oh hell no.
>>28384010
>I carried some shit in the sandbox!
Join the club, kid.
Stop thinking like a grunt and start thinking like a problem-solver.
You have to carry three classes of items on a patrol: armament (weapons, ammo, armor), sustainment (food, water, clothing, medical), and mission-centric (commo, GPS, optics).
Some of these classes can be lightened by way of engineering.
I'll bet you the price of DARPA's Big Dog contract that we could reduce the weight of the armament and mission-centric item classes by at least 70%.
>>28381435
They forgot that that real donkeys are less expensive to own, can carry a good amount of weight, and are more quiet that people think. At least more quiet than hundreds of pounds of metal guzzling gasoline and careening down a trail.
tl;dr: the military thought. That's where they went wrong.
>>28384195
You drank too much on new year's eve son. Like way too much.
>>28384215
yes i'm sure you ride around the city on your donkey, right?
>>28384215
You can't turn a mule into a killing bot though.
>>28384215
>Thinking of these only as mechanized pack mules
Can't you see these being weaponized? A weapon to surpass Metal Gear.
>>28384195
I'm just happy the Hi Freq radio went from this 80 pound black monster to something the resembling a SINCGARS.
You haven't suffered until you had to lug one of those 12 miles up a mountain to a 15,000 foot retrans site.
>>28384228
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1daJAhdQ3aI
I do.
>>28384215
Donkeys are only less expensive if you buy them locally and dispose of them after the deployment.
Keeping a ready trained force of donkeys and taking them with you would be more expensive than robots.
>>28384224
It's almost 2:00 PM over here in Australia, and I'm drier than your mom's snatch.
Get on my level.
>>28384235
You could if you packed it with explosives and put a loudspeaker in it and turned it into the talking bomb from Starship Troopers:
*I'M A TEN SECOND BOMB*
*NINE*
*EIGHT*
DRRR DRR DRR STAGGER SLIP DRRR
*SEVEN*
Nobody would stand in front of that shit. NOBODY.
>>28382709
you're fucking retarded.
This is just the beginning of what robotics is capable of.
WAR IS THE WAY OF MAN
MAN IS THE MEANS OF WAR
AVE NEX ALEA
>>28381766
>The project was cancelled
????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w
>>28383767
always wanted them to break apart after getting kicked and go full ghetto
>>28381856
It would be more effective to do reconnaissance with a small rc plane and hit targets with artillery, mortar or guided munitions.
All the tech is in place and in use.
Small insectoid robots that can autonomously and stealthily hunt both soft and hard targets would be fucking scary.
Doubly so if they can go into hibernation and attack when detection is imminent.
Let hundreds of mass produced intelligent spider mines that act like hermit crabs swarm over an enemy position and see how long they mantain morale.
>>28384279
Australians once again proving themselves to be the number one shitposters on /k/.
Mule
>literally a jackass
>runs away when shot like a pussy faggot
>sandfolks will rape it when left alone
BigDog
>badass FUTURE robot that you can ride into battle
>if shot will stand it's ground
>it will rape sandfolks when left alone
Donkeyfags BTFO tbqh fäm
>>28384471
this desu senpai
>>28384471
>BigDog
The latest version's called Spot.
>>28384365
>>28384471
>literally a jackass
lost
>>28384471
>if shot will stand it's ground
...no. Unless it's completely armored a bullet will usually hit something it needs. Fuel tank, wire, sensor, ect. and then you have a paperweight that's worth a couple grand at best.
>it will rape sandfolks when left alone
As far as I know it doesn't have any offensive capabilities. At least a mule can kick and bite.
>>28384465
>Want to add cool robot dogs to infantry to carry things and become death bots
>NO IT'S SHIT SENPAI ! ONLY HUMAN AND REAL MULES CAN DO THAT
>Infantry is already useless BTW
>Let's replace those robots because they aren't finished and thus shit by even more impossible insecto-nanobots from the future
>>28384554
Fun fact: people carrying packs and guns are much cheaper than robots
>>28384471
if only big dog had one of these... marines would have ordered millions.
>>28384285
>just the beginning of what robotics is capable of.
This.
>>28381435
Nothing. The ____ Dog series never was likely to be adopted. It's a stepping stone to bipedal locomotion so that we can build bipedal drones to stand on street corners instead of soldiers. Could change the face of occupations.
>>28384467
>gets proven wrong
>hurr le Australian maymay
Ugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dargOslomMA
Google/Boston Dynamics needs to make a Tachikoma.
>>28382832
>Theres a reason people stopped using mules/horses
They never have.
>>28381435
Nothing. Seems to be advancing faster than boats, trains, cars, and planes.
>>28382861
That's (then) CPT Nutsch. Solid dude.
>>28384613
Chappie gets taken you by a bunch of ragheads. They turn his parts into hundreds of IEDs.
>>28384283
Yeah, the stabilizing software on big dog is terrifying.
Moves like an animal.
>>28384575
And spears and boots are cheaper than gun and trucks. Now go back to your phalanx you scum.
>>28384620
How do you reduce the weight of fucking water, rations, ammo, guns and whatever the shit a soldier need while on the field with it not being brittle shit. Tell me.
>>28384637
IEDs to use on robots? The robots don't care if you blow them up every now and then. They're not people.
The Atlas was also cancelled as well as the AI project. The US government is so stupid after they managed to design a quickly recharging fuel cell. This thing could literally replace soldiers and can easily be mass produced. Basically everything from Boston Dynamics are now cancelled and people working on the project is out of a job.
>>28384577
The Hazel one is better.
>>28383706
This. You can't put an animal into a crate and leave it in storage for month. They need space to move and daily maintenance.
>>28384577
Broh What The Heck Have You Done To Me?
>>28383812
They weren't even trying to make it quiet.
It literally was never a requirement for the program.
They were just told, "Hey, we really like this, but it's not quiet enough, so we're canceling"
Do you even know how fucking easy it would be to make a quiet diesel engine? They use them in fucking submarines ffs.
>>28384857
You know you want to be "the Alpha"
>>28381652
Donkeys require shittons of food if they're doing work, and can only carry about 25% of their bodyweight in dead load. A robot's "food" is gasoline, which the US military already has the logistical capability to deliver to the front line. A pack robot makes perfect sense, even if this isn't the one.
>>28384631
They most certainly fucking have mr. I ride my donkey to work every day
>>28384669
He's saying we should have spent money figuring out how to do that in stead of building badass robots.
But he's a dumb strayan that don't know about building badass robots n shit so don't listen to him.
>>28382851
>>28382865
>>28382881
>>28382889
>>28383706
>Not a single person mentions the donkey pussy line
Never change, /k/.
>>28386533
Nothing to argue about a mule having a sweetass pussy.
>>28384329
>AVE NEX ALEA
Bird
death
gambling
>>28386571
hail murder cube you fucking philistine
>>28386571
Ave -- 'hail'
Nex -- Related to the latin 'necare', meaning related to violent death or murder.
Alea -- a die (geddit), or cube.
>>28381652
Donkies and horses became obsolete in warfare after World War II, duh. Next you're going to suggest we use swords, eh?
>>28386614
Ave cubum necis is the correct version
cyber cavalry when?
>>28386626
I like to think ave nex alea or ave alea necis are clever puns, and our glorious murdercube appreciates them for the high comedic value
>>28386626
Bravo.
santa is tier1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZu04v7_hc
>>28381435
Batteries are too shit for anything robotic to be good and they didn't muffle their engine enough.
>>28381435
https://youtu.be/mXI4WWhPn-U
