Mig 21
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How to modernize this beauty?
>>28380651
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou_JL-9
>>28380651
By adding double delta wing configuration, targetting pod and IFR
>>28380754
What about the radar? Seems like you'll have to redesign the entire nose of the aircraft.
>>28380651
Turn it into a short ranged interceptor drone
>>28380875
Damn, whats the name of this?
>>28380836
The beauty of miniaturization
You could put more powerful radar from the original cold war one that is about the same size.
>>28381075
Probably fit in a air to air refueling probe aswell.
>>28381165
moar upgrades.
>>28380651
Disassemble
Smelt metal
Use the metal to make new planes
>>28380902
JF-17. Chinese fighter developed for export. I doubt there's any original MiG-21 parts still on it, but it started out as a MiG-21.
>>28380651
Redesign to have a bubble canopy. Thrown in modern avionics and flight controls, HOTAS, modern radar, a modern turbofan engine possibly with thrust vectoring to compensate for its Cold War tier manuverability, and to top it all off add some modern missiles.
Boom, it's got another 35ish years on it.
>>28380651
by turning it into a missile carrying a f.o.a.b.
>>28380651
The Romanians are still flying modernized MiG-21s.
>>28381753
damn that thing is ugly/boring looking. it actually makes me mad, its offensively dull.
Just repaint it and call it the PAKFA2, try to sell it to third world countries that have first world aspirations but still have everyone shitting in the streets.
>Add terrain-following radar and GPS autopilot
>Load it with 1000 lb warhead
>Use it as a cruise missile
>>28380651
Move up one generation just by replacing the radar with something that uses semiconductors instead of vacuum...
>>28380651
No need to modernize it...just fly it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI5BNRZ-ujI
The dear leader has hundreds in service.
>>28384967
If by hundreds in service you mean 299 sitting on a runway rusted to shit and only 5 in working condition.
It's been done.
Look up the Mig-21-93 or the 21-97 or 21-2000.
>>28384985
I think you would be surprised by the condition of Nork equipment.
>>28384967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHo7bqp3_Xw
>>28385059
yeah in the 60s
>>28386598
And 50s
They actually tried to make a new version based on picrelated, but ended up with so little left of the original plane, they said fuck it and made a whole new one altogeter (MiG-23).
>>28388589
No, that thing you have pictured was just a testbed for the Tu-144's wing planform.
>>28380754
It feels like someone just typed Bangladesh Air Force over the MiG-21 image.
>>28382520
The thought that MiG-21bis aircraft, which only had an alcohol cooled radar and oscilloscope for avionics, now has the ability to potentially use Paveways through the use of a fucking Lightening pod seriously triggers me.
>>28389387
>holy shit this plane can drop a bomb guided by a big glorified laser pointer
nigga paveways are old news
>>28389300
>No, that thing you have pictured was just a testbed for the Tu-144's wing planform.
I never said otherwise. Picrelated is what they ended up with. All that were left of the original MiG-21 were vertical stabilizer and some parts of tail section, everything else was made from scratch. This made little sense, so they dropped it and went with the variable wing geometry that was the hottest shit back then.
>>28390003
The real driving idea behind the MiG-23 was shorter takeoff and landing rolls. They looked at two concepts for it, one with swing-wings (the ultimate production version) and one with lift-jets.
Never seen your pic before. Any designation or sources for it?
>>28389946
Nigger the point is that they would have literally had to replace everything in the cockpit. Everything. You think the the original MiG-21bis had CCRP? Twat.
>>28390296
>Nigger the point is that they would have literally had to replace everything in the cockpit. Everything. You think the the original MiG-21bis had CCRP?
You think the original A-10 had a CCIP on the HUD? Fuck you, twatmist.
>>28380651
Reminds me of the old BAE Lightning
>>28390340
Dude, that's the fucking point. They had to rip the avionics out of every jet and change it in a massively expensive project for limited gain. The point being that it would probably have been easier and more worthwhile to invest in another aircraft than use the same old airframes.
why do you guys talk about jets so fucking much. I feel like aircraft needs their own board if they dont already.
>>28382565
So, you are part of the "if it looks fast than it is" crowd .
>>28390340
The pic in this post
>>28390408
Shows a MiG-21biscockpit. It wasn't seamless to turn it into this.
>>28390408
>Dude, that's the fucking point. They had to rip the avionics out of every jet and change it in a massively expensive project for limited gain. The point being that it would probably have been easier and more worthwhile to invest in another aircraft than use the same old airframes.
This argument is fucking retarded becuase almost every fucking airframe in every service has served through multiple massive avionic upgrades. You have any fucking clue how long the F-15 has been service? Or how long it's planned to STAY in service?
The real issue is that the plane is a pile of fucking shit, and for reasons that have fuck-all to do with avionics. There's no ROOM to put in half the modern avionics they'd like to. If the airframe still had potential, maybe, but the Fishbed is a pile of shit and always WAS a pile of shit. THAT'S the fucking problem; new avionics is just polishing the turd.
>>28390433
I Gotta agree with this. Modern aerodynamics call for highly unstable wings so that the plane is very manoeuvrable. Easier to start with a new plane.
>>28390433
Again, THAT'S. THE. FUCKING. POINT. They had the money to do this shit to a MiG-21. I am trying to say that to do these kinds mom modifications is pointless. Using the F-15 as an example is moot because it is a massively capable jet fighter that performs multiple roles and is still world class. The mig on the he other hand was obsolete in the 70's. If you weren't so fucking thick you would realise that that is what I am trying to say. You fucking stupid cunt.
>>28390519
>I used a primitive capability upgrade as alleged proof of a massive avionics upgrade
>so you're a fucking stupid cunt
shur bru w/e
>>28380651
There is absolutely no reason to modernize the Mig-21.
>>28390397
preggers mig 21
no but british designs look so arkward
>>28390753
You know I never thought People this stupid existed but you are acting like the capability to do these things and the changes required to use them are simply bolt on. Also going from a simple AtA radar to PGM capability is massive for such a simple and obsolete fighter
>>28390810
>i'm putting words in your mouth because I implied 80s era avionics are as hard and costly to install as 20XX era avionics
shur bru
sorry I meant "twat"
>>28390864
Actually that pod and the associated avionics required to use it properly are 20xx. If you knew about the lightening pod you would know that. You are continuing to be a twat by comparing it in the same light as a legacy system like Pave TACK or Pave KNIFE. Twat.
>>28390262
>The real driving idea behind the MiG-23 was shorter takeoff and landing rolls.
That has a lot to do with takeoff/landing speeds and I remember reading somewhere that the new wing on MiG-21I reduced that quite drastically. Though I kinda agree that variable wing geometry was a better choice at the time.
>Never seen your pic before. Any designation or sources for it?
Picture looks like a scan from some book. I got it here: http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/mig/21/lsh/mig21lsh.htm
The plane was designated as "27-11". It was never built, only blueprints and scale models were made. Doesn't seem like there's much more information about it anywhere.
>>28390764
Because the radar that uses 98% alcohol to cool itself (insert random drunk ass ruskies joke) is just perfect. Gets you about 30minutes of pure runtime. Also has to heat up before you can use it. Last but not least, it can only look below the aircraft, not above.
Taking it apart and rebuild it into a f-16.
>>28380651
Does the MiG-21 have the ability to use air-to-air missiles or is it limited to guns?
