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>7 rounds in 2015
>ergonomics from 100+ years ago literally holding a metal 2x4
>finicky needs constant cleaning and has ammo preference
>hueg
>heavy
Yet I still want one, the fuck is wrong with me /k/?
8 rounds, magic springs son.
>>28375671
Nothing. The heart wants what the heart wants, /k/ommando.
>>28375671
>muh 7 rounds
Totally legitimate complaint I agree.
>ergonomics
I totally disagree, 1911s feel better than anything to me.
>finicky
legit complaint
>hueg
legit complaint if carrying concealed
>heavy
actually a good thing
Or you can go full retard Para-Ordinance and get 14 rounds.
If you rack discriprine
WTF brand is that 1911? It looks like a fucking mushroom...
>>28375769
This except finicky.
Used to think this was an issue with the design, but seeing numerous ones that function flawlessly regardless of what ammo you put through it makes me question this.
>7 rounds
agreed
>ergos from 100 years ago
1911s feel great in the hand
>finicky
How so?
>Constant cleaning
Define constant
>ammo preference
never had this problem
>huge
So?
>heavy
thats not a bad thing
>>28375671
>heavy
You got pussy arms?
>>28375791
Nighthawk custom (I think?) with last years stale meme on the slide
>>28375671
Not everything has to be HURR WUTS MOST CAWMBUTT AFFECTAVE PEESTOL.
How do people not know this?
>>28375671
because Glock shitposters are just that, shitposters
the 1911 is still top 3 in handguns to this day.
>>28375671
1911's are like old muscle cars.
Even though they are outperformed by modern shit they still have something about them that is almost genetically engraved in us that negates the cons
They're comfy and easy to shoot.
>5 rounds in 2015
>ergonomics from 100+ years ago literally holding a wooden 2x4
>needs constant cleaning
>hueg
>heavy
Yet I still want one, the fuck is wrong with me /lgbt/?
>>28376205
You obviously know nothing about 1911s or muscle cars.
>>28376245
Why would you want a Nugget anymore? They're almost as expensive as Yugo Mausers.
>>28376205
>1911's are like old muscle cars.
God analogyfags are so fucking autistic. Can you hold an argument without having to pull some terrible noirism out of your ass?
>>28376278
Why would you want a nugget if it was free?
>>28375671
the ergos have actually changed a lot in 100 years mostly in the backstrap
all the grip safety's have beavertails the thumb safety have larger levers and the mainspring shape has changed
>>28376290
Being an asshole on the internet is sorta like shitting on the toilet seat at a Walmart
Yeah you did it, but only one proud of it is you
>ergonomics from 100+ years ago literally holding a metal 2x4
Feels fucking great. Your hands must be crippled.
>hueg
Not any bigger than other full size.
>>28375770
I second this
the only thing that's ever really been a detriment to 1911 45 acp goodness has been magazine capacity.
>>28375671
I have no complaints with the 1911
obv it isn't going to be as good as a modern handgun
Why do you buy milsurps and revolvers? The cool factor and we find it interesting.
>>28375770
>>28375770
Why choose 8 when you can get 14? Are you just stupid or a 70 year old guy who is still trying to convince himself that doublestack is a fad?
>>28375671
>7 rounds in 2015
8 round mags, 10 round extended mags, or you can get a double stack for 14.
>ergonomics from 100+ years ago literally holding a metal 2x4
Which are still really good and what a lot of guns are still based on.
>finicky needs constant cleaning and has ammo preference
Either get a cheapo RIA or a custom gun. The're built the way a 1911 should be and will be much more reliable than your big brand assembly line 1911 like SIG, Kimber, etc.
>hueg
Yeah, so? Don't conceal it.
>heavy
Makes shooting dat .45 so smooth and comfortable.
You also forgot to mention dat single action trigger.
>7 rounds
So? .45 Super is identical to 10mm, and the 1911s grip is legendary.
If it bothers you that much, get a double stack.
>7 rounds
>so bla bla bla muh 45
People who knows nothing about firearms commenting on the impracticality of 7 slow rounds. A Glock 19 is 100% better than a fucking $3000 1911 in every conceivable way.
>heavy
God the new generation is a bunch of pussies.
Pampered by your lightweight polymer pistols.
Kids riding around on those hover board seaway abortions.
If this trend continues the human race is going to be fragile as fuck.
>>28379208
Are you trying to be retarded?
You do realize your average shootout is less than 3 shots right?
>>28379208
My bad not you
>>28378337
You
I should really stop drunkposting
>>28375855
Agreed. I've literally never had an issue with my Springfield. Clean it maybe once per year.
The 1911 isn't really a terrible design and if there were reliable models going for around $300 new then they'd be pretty great. Unfortunately that's not the case, they're horrendously overpriced because of demand and image. There is no reason to pay over $1000+ for $300 worth of performance - you wouldn't pay one or two thousand dollars for a Makarov, an SKS or Mauser or Mosin Nagant, so why pay that for a 1911?
>>28375671
You guys are dumb. Its not about the amount of ammo, or the weight of the firearms. Its about looks and heritage for the 1911.
>>28375671
Literally nothing wrong with you. I carry a Glock most of the time but some days, I really need that steel frame love with that fuddyfive.
On a reliability note I had all sorts of problems with cheap ammo until I started using WC mags.
The most I have put through it in one day was 250 with out cleaning and I did not have problems. So not a great test, but before switch mags I was a jam fest.
>>28375671
you know glock has been out since the mid 80s and done even less to their design, but people still eat them up
It works, it works very nicely and what it doesn't excel at is still pretty decent
its old, some of its features are outdated and there are things that are way more advanced, but at the same time there are plenty of new things that have exactly what it has so don't complain
>>28376365
Top kek
>>28380581
What kind of flashlight is that?
>>28381121
Fuck I just noticed the "surefire" on it, my bad
I wish the tokarev conversion barrels would fit Para 1911s.
I want a 18 round tokarev shooting pistol.
>>28381121
>Surefire written in big letters
GEEE I DON'T KNOW MAN...
>>28381157
I heard they don't work well anyway. I don't want to buy a .38 super 1911 spend all that cash just to have a Soviet shooting jammomatic
>>28378337
>Have to pull trigger to take down pistol
>Safety that prevents the gun from firing unless the trigger is being pulled
>Literally the ergonomics of a brick
>>28376278
>80€-90€ for a shiny nugget
>300-500 for Mauser
>>28381441
>Have to pull trigger to take down pistol
Okay, so? Are you too stupid to clear the gun before doing maintenance on it?
>Safety that prevents the gun from firing unless the trigger is being pulled
Great. What's the problem again?
>Literally the ergonomics of a brick
Literally not but it could be better.
>>28381414
If I drop the cash on a Para 1911. I would definitely spend money on fixing the other issues.
>>28381535
>Are you too stupid to clear the gun before doing maintenance on it?
We just had a thread yesterday about a guy's father doing it. It happens all the fucking time. It's a horrible design decision.
>Great. What's the problem again?
Allow me to rephrase: The safety prevents the gun from firing unless something would cause it to fire.
>>28376245
The bolt's the only thing that needs to be cleaned a lot and it slides right out and is super easy to do.
>>28376278
Like fuck they are.
>>28381616
>too stupid to check the fucking chamber before tinkering with the gun
>blame the gun when it goes off
Hilarious.
>>28381535
You glockfags are just going to have to accept that some people don't like Glocks.
I have kids and I don't like their lack of external safeties. Notice how I said I DON'T LIKE, not "I am incapable of doing anything with it or making it work in any way whatsoever."
I also like the trigger in 1911s a lot more. Like exponentially more.
I also hate the Glock controls. Mag release, slide release, and slide lock. I hate the design of literally every part on the gun.
Sure they are reliable. Are they infallible? No. They will break. They need parts replacements like 1911s, most Glock owners are just lazy fucks who won't bother. People also ND with Glocks a lot more. I had an officer once tell me about a supervisor he had who was putting his duty Glock back together after cleaning and had a slamfire when he chambered a round because he never cleaned the striker channel and the firing pin just got caught somehow with all the gunk in the channel. Also the Glock kaboom.
Glocks break and need maintenance just as much as any other pistol. If you're super duper ninja tactical need 77 rounds in your magazine hail of gunfire at 1,000 yards can fire 22 million rounds without cleaning then first, I would ask what the fuck you're doing. Literally no one on the planet earth needs that. If you want it, knock yourself out but don't act like not having that will get you killed in a gunfight.
Glocks feel like absolute ass. They are zero fun to shoot. I will shoot my Glock and come away with a scowl because I hate every single aspect of shooting it. I just don't like them. You tactifags are just going to accept that not all of us like your HSLD TACTICAL OPERATOR NEW NAVY SEAL PISTOL.
>>28381773
>you don't need those high capacity baby killer clips, bro
Carry a 1911 all you want. Fuck, carry a Borchardt if you want if you have the dough and like it. There is a lot to be said about stock Glock triggers and how subjectively shit the ergonomics are but don't fucking argue that they carry too many rounds or are too reliable.
>>28381732
It's just a horrible design decision. You should not pull the trigger to do anything other than fire the gun.
>>28376278
They're actually really fun to shoot though, all memes aside
>>28375671
That's the faggiest 1911 I've seen
>>28381900
>carry too many rounds or are too reliable
I am most certainly not arguing that. It seems like you just read the last two lines of my post (which admittedly is a fucking novel, I know).
Capacity is the only legitimate complaint against 1911s, in the year of our Lord 2015, that is not completely subjective.
This isn't the 1980s. Reliability isn't an issue anymore.
Weight is a subjective complaint. "Muh it pulls my pants down." Lots of people carry 1911s just fine every day and they did it for years.
I'm saying for those who want a slimmer, more ergonomic and shootable gun, the capacity issue is a compromise.
Capacity is the only legitimate OBJECTIVE complaint against 1911s now, today with modern technology. All I'm saying is I counter that by stating that I'm not getting into extended firefights and shooting 20+ round magazines and doing ninja flips. You can WANT that capacity all you want, just don't try to push it on me like I NEED it. Because I just fucking don't. It is a want, not a need.
>>28378337
Da fuck? Who the hell pays more than 1,500.00 for a hand gun?
>>28383060
Don't forge a manual of arms the length of the torah.
>>28375671
Why don't they just make a newer better version?
>>28383236
Oh yeah:
>remember to flip the safety off
Fuck that was hard.
>>28383060
I don't believe your pic, she really isn't that pretty. Weird face, stupid hair, bucktooth smile. Could just be the pic though.
>"Muh it pulls my pants down."
That's really a belt and holster problem, not a pistol problem.
>>28383090
Considering most Les Baers I see these days have a SN more than an order of magnitude above mine, several tens of thousands of people.
>>28383060
>phd in dicksucking
>>28383653
Idk she has pretty eyes. I wouldn't mind a ride.
Yeah that's why I said people have been doing it for years without problems. No more $5 Walmart belt and Uncle Mike's holster. People spend good money on heavy duty and good quality holsters and belts on Glocks too though so it's really an invalid complaint.
That's why I say capacity is the only real objective complaint about 1911s. Everything else is what you like or prefer.
>>28375671
>never touched a 1911 the post
>7 rounds
10 rnd mags exist plus 1911s can be double stack or come in different calibres
>ergonomics suck
It's a 45* angle and its single stack you're full of shit
>finicky
Maybe I've never had a problem but keep in mind the original design was for ball ammo
>huge
Thinner than any glock,single stack and comes in different lengths. Again you're full of shit
>heavy
No shit it's steel
I carry a 1911 that ive beaten and abused constantly with no problems
>>28375671
Why does literally EVERY faggot on here act like every single weapon you own needs to be some tacticool mall ninja operator bullshit?
Its entireley fine to buy a gun for no other reason than because you want one.
>>28381445
Nope they're almost equal in price now
>>28385437
I think it all depends on what you're looking for. Are there cheaper, somewhat more reliable guns with twice the capacity out there? Sure. I probably wouldn't carry one on the daily. That said, there's a reason so many people buy and shoot them. The god-tier accuracy, amazing fit & finish and muh historical value are very attractive to some people, and goddamn do they feel good to shoot. A nice custom job with a crisp trigger is hard to argue with as a range queen.
The reliability argument is what I take issue with. Originally, the 1911 was designed and manufactured with much looser tolerances than what they are today, and while tightening them up may make them more accurate, the reliability suffers, just like it would with any other gun.
In short, most of the points OP raised are valid when you're looking at it from a practical standpoint as a combat handgun. These days, though, they tend not to be used in that capacity.
>>28387342
Plus guys go "imma bubba up a range queen 1911" and buy seperate high quality parts (trigger groups, hammers, barrels etc etc)
Then wonder why thier amalgamation of high end parts is unreliable.
Probably because you fucked with it so much.
Also, you aint gonna buy a 1911 and run crazy ass hot loads or exotic ammo through it.
Stock model, standard ammo, it wont fail you.
>>28375671
>finicky
I've never heard a coherent argument about why the design is finicky.
Some have said it's because it "requires hand fitting" and "tight tolerances"
But that's the exact opposite of what the 1911 was originally designed to be.
The 1911 as a military sidearm was 100% parts interchangeable and had generous clearances between parts.
Any deviations from that formula are market induced, and not a fault of the design.
>>28387394
>take good design
>fuck with it
>blame ensuing malfunctions and negative outcomes on original design
I see this in SO many cases, not just the 1911. Then, here I am, firing my 10,000th round through the milspec 1911 ive had since before the internet existed going "where the fuck did this 1911's are unreliable meme come from"
Only time mines been unreliable is when I run wierd handloads through it.
>>28375770
C'mon step it up
>>28381282
But what specific model?
SUrefire's website doesn't turn up shit.
>>28387394
>>28387560
But not all the fancy schmancy 1911s are unreliable either. Plenty of people use 1911s with non mil-spec parts (extended beavertails and safeties, shit like that) for 10s of thousands of rounds. Matt Graham comes to mind (he uses a Nighthawk GRP Recon) and Chris Costa even uses a 9mm 1911 which are supposedly jam-o-matics with apparent success. Matt Graham has 10k+ rounds through his Nighthawk too through many, many classes.
Also look at aregularguy's 10k round DW Specialist and this Colt Rail Gun 4,000 round spree: http://looserounds.com/2012/07/30/colt-rail-gun-4000-round-test/
It doesn't have to be muh original mil spec john browning to be reliable either.
I love 1911s but mag design sucked back in the days. Yes I can agree with some of OP's points however with WC and CM mags, I see less problems with 1911 than I do with Glocks. That being said I only shot 1k rounds on this thing, I've shot less than that on my G19(G19 is about 300 rounds in) and I've had:
-brass to face
-double feed
-failure to lock back(probably my fault, however my thumb wasn't anywhere near the slide release)
>>28375671
First shot speed and accuracy is king.
The 1911 has the best, undisputed best, trigger of any semiautomatic pistol suitable for self defense.
Capacity and weight are irrelevant for civilian carriers.
>>28375671
>Compaining about 1911 ergos
Nigger they're some of the best around, what are you talking about?
>hueg
For you
>Heavy
Lift more faggot
>>28389693
Debatably so even for military usage depending on user dexterity
>>28381282
>Being an asshole ten minutes after he immediately recognized his mistake
Man I bet you're fun at parties
>>28387342
My 1911 has pretty tight tolerances (no GI slop), and it still runs fine. The design has evolved over the years, it didn't just get fancier
> 1911 thread
Oh cool. I received a series 80 Government as a very generous gift. Anything I should know besides the giver having too much money?
Only been to range with it once so far, great time.
>>28389881
I know that 1911 snobs scoff at he safety design in the series 80 because it's a bit harder to take out and install an aftermarket one. Other than that, they're gucci
>>28375671
You seem to forget
>sexy
>fucking based trigger
>Muh history
That's about it, and I want one too.
>>28389908
Im not planning to do any aftermarket or bubba shit to it, so fine on that count. Thanks.
>>28389930
Jim get back in the chat and invite me
I get why people like 1911's I really do. They have a classic feel about them and shoot like a dream. However I get pissed when the Marines still use them in limited numbers. Like the troops aren't already loaded down by enough gear then you issue them a brick of a handgun with no round capacity and that needs more maintenance than a more conventional design. On top of that is a fuckton more expensive even at the military cost.
>>28375671
>7 rounds
One bullet for each deadly sin 1205
>>28375671
>7 rounds in 2015
7 who? 14+1 fucker
>>28387342
>Originally, the 1911 was designed and manufactured with much looser tolerances than what they are today
False. First, the word you're looking for is "clearances" (the amount of space between two parts) not "tolerances" (the allowable deviation in specs between two of the same part) and second, when those old guns were new they were no more rattly than a new Colt
>and while tightening them up may make them more accurate
Also false for anything short of a top-end competition gun. Accuracy comes from a high quality barrel and precision comes almost entirely from barrel-slide-bushing fit. You can tighten the gun up all you want and accuracy/precision won't noticeably change if the barrel is non-match grade. Even on match guns, slide-frame fit is almost worthless, amounting to a difference of 1/4" at most at 50 yards
>the reliability suffers, just like it would with any other gun.
False again. Tight clearances do not make a gun inherently less reliable or more susceptible to dirt/grime. Case-in-point, classic SIGs and HKs have very tight clearances and are both renowned for their reliability. The reliability issues with tighter production 1911s come from bad re-engineering where they tighten the clearances during lock up without adjusting the geometry of moving parts OR from tightening the clearances and re-engineering the geometry without sufficiently tightening the factory's manufacturing tolerances. Both of which cause the parts to move in ways that interfere with the movements of other parts.
>>28389721
Did you not read my post Elliott Rodgers???
>>28390325
> para
>>28390599
> accuracy comes from a high quality barrel and precision comes... match grade barrel
What's it like being a wrong faggot??
Barrel to slide fit only affects reliability. The only place they interface is the locking lugs.
Barrel bushing fit IS important.
"Match grade barrel" is a marketing buzz word. It means literally nothing.
The MOST important factor with regards to accuracy is the LOWER lugs on the barrel.
Also, you're a faggot.
>>28375671
>hueg
>heavy
Compared to what other full-size pistol with a 5" barrel?
Some of you out yourselves too fast for being no guns sperg lords who do nothing but make up shitty troll treads because some other anon did it and you need attention too.
If you like the gun, get the gun OP you absurd faggot. God knows you didn't have to make a thread about it on a Latvian hat-weaving DIY board.
>>28391005
If you're just going to be a know-nothing twat then don't respond. Ignorant people might take what you say as fact.
>>28390599
>and second, when those old guns were new they were no more rattly than a new Colt
You are making yourself look retarded. New Colts do rattle.
They're actually some of the more rattly 1911s out there.
>and while tightening them up may make them more accurate
Also false for anything short of a top-end competition gun. Accuracy comes from a high quality barrel and precision comes almost entirely from barrel-slide-bushing fit.
Tightening barrel/bushing fit makes the gun tighter.
>You can tighten the gun up all you want and accuracy/precision won't noticeably change if the barrel is non-match grade.
You're saying this like it's contrary to what was said.
>Even on match guns, slide-frame fit is almost worthless, amounting to a difference of 1/4" at most at 50 yards
It's generally more than that, but I assume you're exaggerating.
>the reliability suffers, just like it would with any other gun.
False again. Tight clearances do not make a gun inherently less reliable or more susceptible to dirt/grime.
Yes it does.
>Case-in-point, classic SIGs and HKs have very tight clearances and are both renowned for their reliability.
Not really.
Classic Sigs aren't very reliable at all.
H&Ks are neither particularly accurate nor tight.
>The reliability issues with tighter production 1911s come from bad re-engineering where they tighten the clearances during lock up without adjusting the geometry of moving parts OR from tightening the clearances and re-engineering the geometry without sufficiently tightening the factory's manufacturing tolerances. Both of which cause the parts to move in ways that interfere with the movements of other parts.
And this is the point where you showed you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>28391058
> gets BTFO
> responds with "nuh uh!!!"
You are wrong.
It's plain and simple. Slide to barrel fit means fuck all for accuracy.
The MOST important thing in accuracy is the LOWER lugs.
>carrying
>someone moves in to hug you
>>28391058
> makes wall of text post about something he doesn't own or actually know about
> neglects to mention the most important fit for accuracy on a custom pistol
How does it feel to be so wrong and dumb and gay??
Is it like the feeling you get when you try to give someone a fist bump but they leave you hanging???
>>28391255
I always just press my elbow against my gun, leave my hand pressed against my lower abdomen / spare mag or put it on their hip if female. Then it's justa one arm hug
>>28391223
I'm not the guy you replied to, and I'm not saying you're wrong.
>Slide to barrel fit means fuck all for accuracy.
But in my opinion, that's a bit of an over exaggeration.
How your barrel/bushing/slide interface with each other does matter, it's just not of supreme importance.
>>28391294
So there's TWO faggots in this thread that juuuuust so happened to not know how important lower lugs are?
I'm sure you're not a no guns faggot pretending to be an expert or anything.
You probably just forgot to mention it before, right??
>>28391324
I have no idea what you're talking about.
That post was the first time I've said anything to you.
>>28387944
>No, Mr Officer, this is just a walking cane with a sick handle.
>>28389693
What about CZs or VP9?
>>28391257
>I work for Minute Clinic, we bitch about how there are never ads/commercials to marketing
>see this
>mfw
>>28390957
My Canadian para would like a word with you
>>28390957
>Not owning a Les Baer on a para frame
Actually, I don't blame you, double stack 1911's are pretty thick in the grip.
Just picked this up. Feels good.
I wanted one until I felt my buddy's at the range one day. I just don't like the manual of arms. I prefer to carry pistols that let me carry half cocked or in DA with the safety off over cocked and locked anyway.
>>28391535
About the same as a Glock or FNP, actually. The shape is a bit different, but it's not that bad if you're not comparing it to a single stack 1911.
>>28391535
the most important parts of the gun are in the frame
I only really like GI 1911s, or nickel/stainless ones. I'd love to get a stainless long slide like the AMT from terminator, but I hear that they had a few problems.
>>28396398
Go with a Springfield Loaded, they have a much better track record.
