Czech M10
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Are these masks safe to use? How long do the filters last once out of the package?
Don't know and would not recommend risking it. If you're willing to spend thousands of dollars on your AR or whatever, it's optics and all tacticool shit you've bought incase of SHTF but aren't willing to buy a brand new CBRN -rated masks with extra filters for yourself and your family you are a moron who deserves to die coughing blood due to mustard gas..
If it's VX masks don't protect shit since that stuff can be absorbed through skin..
>>28368128
I'm worrying about tear gas, and possibly mustard since ISIS has mustard.
>bump
>>28368150
>I'm worrying about tear gas
No worries unless you're considering rioting for sum goodboy who dindu nuffin'
>and possibly mustard since ISIS has mustard.
And they're getting it in to US how?
>>28368192
Just in case brother.
Will the mask be safe to use?
>>28368197
For tear gas probably. Mustard don't know and wouldn't count on it.
>>28368069
I think if you get new filters you should be fine in terms of filter protection. I've got one and would absolutely not recommend it.
The filters are incredibly hard to put in on a normal day, I wouldn't even be able to manage if there's crap going on around me.
They are very front heavy and that makes getting a proper seal somewhat difficult if you're going to be running around and not to mention because of the filter design you can't aim a rifle with the mask on.
For me atleast the eye holes are in the perfect position, but that means nothing because I can barely see through them, even on NIB unissued M10's the rubber seems to deteriorate and get rubber crumbs and dust on the eye glass making it almost impossible to see details up close (no matter cleaning, I have tried before and within a few hours they were fogged up again)
And I believe that the filters have asbestos but I'm not 100% on that, so don't take my word for it.
All in all I would NOT recommend this mask, get a cheap Israeli civi mask with 40mm filters if you want to spend $15 on a mask and avoid this at all costs.
Apparently the M10, even with expired fiilters are popular for metal workers because it protects against dangerous gasses, is light and offers good vision.
>>28368237
It has asbestos?
That is what I'm worried about
>>28368262
The filters could if they are old enough.
>>28368265
How do I tell if they do?
>>28368262
They could if they're old, 70's 80's and maybe 90's filters. Which is why anon said to get new filters, same with other anon: >>28368265
>>28368274
Unless you're already an expert? You don't. Just be safe and buy new ones.
>>28368069
It's based on a US design which proved faulty and vulnerable to blister agents, which is basically all it was really meant for.
Get a Russian PMK - probably the best option for a poorfag right now..
Well... I already bought the stupid things...
I was told before that they were awesome...
>>28368237
>And I believe that the filters have asbestos but I'm not 100% on that, so don't take my word for it.
Older filters do.
Get a modern Russian design for cheap and safe filters.
To make the filters last longer, clean out a large ammo can, oil wrap them and seal the can, ensuring you put a tiny bit of oil on the ammo can seal.
>>28368274
There's no way to tell unless you can find a batch number and people have cut open their filters of the same batch and found no asbestos.
Usually, filters made after the 90's will have no asbestos.
>>28368289
Well, it looks cool, so maybe a halloween costume?
>>28368289
Well then we had another prizeless lifelesson right here. Never believe the sales pitches..
>>28368289
They're unlikely to have asbestos
They're a pain in the arse to replace the filters
You might get a really old one and the rubber is cracked
But it's better than nothing
I bought 3 new in their plastic seal.
I need to know if my family will get sick if we wear these.
>>28368323
You won't get sick but they might not work for shit if you come across a blister agent.
If you need cheap masks:
Israeli M15
Russian PMK (later models allow for the can to be used ambidextrously, allowing cheeki breeki cheek welds for right and left handers)
British S10
>>28368338
What is a blister agent?
http://willowhavenoutdoor.com/featured-wilderness-survival-blog-entries/8-things-you-should-know-before-buying-a-gas-mask/
I read that awhile ago and I remember that it helped me, I don't recall if it says anything about the types of filters or gas masks to buy, but it might help you.
Also something that I learned from research done after buying an M10 myself, go with either modern Israeli or Russian civilian masks if you're on a tight budget, if not get NBC rated civilian masks for about $300 a piece last time I checked which would be your best bet if you have the funds.
>>28368354
Basically Mustard gases.
But generally anything that is going to fail because of blister agents will fail due to chlorine gas (possible during the habbeding) and CR gas (makes conventional tear gas look like a little bitch).
Trust me, you do not want to experience what CR gas is like.
>>28368338
US just adopted a new mask. Go to surpluses and pawn shops outside your nearest base. I picked up an excellent M40, like new for $25
>>28368407
>US just adopted a new mask. Go to surpluses and pawn shops outside your nearest base. I picked up an excellent M40, like new for $25
M40 suffers from the same issues as the M10; you need the second skin for it to be effective against blister agents.
The M40 would do better than the M10 in a riot situation, but if someone rolled out CR gas you might as well just give up.
>>28368338
It says s-17/72...
>>28368279
I think mine is a 1972...
>bump
Pretty much any chem agent needs full MOPP gear and a proper decon protocol to work, so buy all that.
Just buy new respirators if you're worried, make sure they work with NATO filters
>>28368873
Where do I get new filters or respirators?
>>28368873
NATO filters or new Russian filters.
They're both 40mm, but if you're using Russian in NATO equipment, be sure to use some grease to ensure a good seal, as the Russian ones have a slightly different thread pattern IIRC.
>>28368069
I have one but only got it cus it looks cool.
It would probably be fine but get a real gas mask if you want 100% protection.
>>28368883
3M, Avon, take your pick, many companies make respirators, just pick one that fits the NATO standard.
>>28369005
Pull the plug! the goyim know! the goyim know!
So... are these safe out of the box?
>bump
>>28369005
>>>/pol/
>>28368308
I bought 3, all sealed up, perfect and new
They are shit, don't bother
buy an M40 or a C10 mask
>>28369171
M40 melts and needs a doily.
S10 is a good option.
>>28368069
Good rule, if its not a standard thread 40mm filter, discard it.
Getting fresh filters for it might prove difficult, and if i recall those ones are a pain in the ass to change the filters in anyway.
A standard civilian respirator and some Swiss or Israeli surplus filters goes a long way in terms of protection, and is reasonably cheap.
No need to worry about asbestos breaking down in old filters either.
>>28369325
The ammonia thing is just a meme, it takes an extreme amount to actually melt the 1/4 thick rubber straps that connect to the head harness. Also almost every M40 has one of the thicker black rubber shields specifically for this purpose. It doesn't "need" a doff hood, it's just a nice addition
>>28369356
It's not ammonia that does it, it's chlorine gas, blister agents and CR gas (ie. everything that will wreck your shit and you may encounter in either a riot or HABBEDING).
Ammonia is just unfliterable with standard filters.
When I used to do death cleans we used sealed rebreather systems, because they were a fuck load cheaper than SCBA and prevented the ammonia from wrecking us.
>>28368069
Kinda related i have one of those construction respirators with the pink filters. It only covers my mouth and nose what would this pretect me from? or should i fork over the money for a real gas mask?
>>28368197
>for tear gas
Sure
>For mustard/ other vessicants
Not really. The mask would work but you would need a chemical suit. Mustard gas attacks skin primarily,
>>28368069
Depends.
If you have shekels
M50,3M any high level proper gas mask
Poor Fag
Hope you get some good ass milsurp.
>>28369384
SCBA can be bought pretty cheap used and the tanks are easy to fill. It's pretty much just a 40mm adapter on a regular SCBA array, you could make one yourself if you had the adapter
Rebreathers are expensive as fuck to get as a cvilian
what about a britsh gas mask from 1943
>>28369424
no....
>>28369432
it was fresh outa surplus never been used
>>28369422
>Rebreathers are expensive as fuck to get as a cvilian
$200 for the system and then pennies on the dollar for the elements.
Another crew was using old Soviet shit and they bought their systems for about $30 a piece and had the elements refurbed at the same place we did.
They looked uncomfortable compared to the ones we had, but he never had anyone come down with ammonia poisoning.
>>28369424
Asbestos, probably disintegrated into dust already.
Do not use, in fact do not even open the filter if it is still sealed.
Very unlikely to protect you from anything.
>>28369451
uhhhh shit man
i should be fine i only used the filter for 1 sec right guys
>>28369463
please tell me i will be fine i really dont know
>>28369463
It is very unlikely to cause any problems, just seal the filter in a plastic bag or something to avoid it leaking dust.
And wash the mask out with soapy water.
>>28369463
Yeah, just put that shit in a plastic bag, and call a professional to dispose of it.
>>28369481
>>28369463
>>28369451
CLOSE THE FILTER NOW.
WRAP IT UP IN CLING FOIL.
GET OUT OF THE ROOM YOU USED IT IN.
GO SEE A DOCTOR.
>>28369486
what if i keep the filter in the original pouch and not touch it
>>28369498
No, this is not a game, you will get cancer if you don't get rid of it.
>>28369503
uh shit well um i keep it in my room and i have had it for a year now
>>28369489
Like a doctor can do shit about it now, often takes at least 15-20 years before symptoms show.
And it is extremely unlikely he will have any bad effects from a brief exposure, if there even was any.
>>28369509
Take pics, but wear disposable gloves while doing so.
>>28369520
what if i lost the filter in my room
>>28369509
Put the filter in a plastic bag (or the whole mask if it is attached) and seal it.
Simple as that, limit the risk of more exposure.
Also was the filter opened during that year or sealed from the factory?
If it was sealed you have nothing to worry about.
>>28369532
then your room is probably a superfund site.
>>28369550
opened
>>28369509
Has it been open for a year?
If so, you're well and truly fucked, everyone in your house may be fucked.
>>28369516
>Like a doctor can do shit about it now, often takes at least 15-20 years before symptoms show.
>And it is extremely unlikely he will have any bad effects from a brief exposure, if there even was any.
Lots of old Asbestos workers in my area.
You can get it from 5 minutes exposure, or you can go decades with no issue.
The longer you're exposed to it, the greater your chances are.
A doctor can point him to specialists who can screen for asbestos exposure, who can then put him on a monitoring program.
>>28369559
GET OUT OF YOUR ROOM NOW YOU DUMB SHIT.
Tell your mother you've just contaminated the house with asbestos.
>>28369559
Still unlikely to have caused any major contamination unless it is so decayed that dust is just spilling out of it.
But you might want to mention it to your doctor if you start having trouble breathing 10-15 years from now.
>>28369587
it was open when i got it
i bought it from a guy at a trade show
>>28369605
Youre going to die
>>28369616
the trade show guy cant just sell cancer risks right? im in canada for petes sake
>>28369616
We are all going to die, so in fact you are correct.
>>28369635
you know what i accept my fate i now have a expiry date guess i should live to the fullest and chad up
>>28369605
So it's safe to say that you've jostled the fuck out of, breathed directly through it and generally ensured that you are as contaminated as can be?
Seal it as best you can, dispose of it, dispose of anything that had prolonged contact with it.
Clean everything else that was in the general vicinity of it and aerate the fuck out of wherever it was stored.
Go see a doctor, they'll refer you to a screening specialist who will do routine checks on you every few years.
>>28369635
1. He probably had no idea, especially seeing as how it was already opened and thus unusable.
2. These guys just run on the basis that you'll have no fucking luck finding them - people sell whatever the fuck they want at gun shows/trade shows because they know there's basically no repercussions. If you buy something online or in store you know exactly where to go/who to talk to about any grievances.
>>28369635
in all seriousness, find it, put it in a ziplock bag, you'll probably be ok. wipe the area underneath it with wet paper towels, put them in ziplock bags and throw them away.
>>28369673
>2. These guys just run on the basis that you'll have no fucking luck finding them - people sell whatever the fuck they want at gun shows/trade shows because they know there's basically no repercussions. If you buy something online or in store you know exactly where to go/who to talk to about any grievances.
that's not how it works, they sell antiques, they don't know everything about them and they assume you know what you're doing if you buy obviously dangerous shit like a fluoroscope.
that's the price of being treated like a grownup. move to california or england if the government knows what's best for you.
>>28369673
>2. These guys just run on the basis that you'll have no fucking luck finding them - people sell whatever the fuck they want at gun shows/trade shows because they know there's basically no repercussions. If you buy something online or in store you know exactly where to go/who to talk to about any grievances.
this fucking ass wipe goes to the gun show every year and probably has fucking given every fucking person who has bought his old surplus lung cancer and 50 other illnesses and is fucking rich holy fuck i hate that fucking guy now
>>28369166
They could be old-new
i.e. It's been in some warehouse in the Czech Republic for the last 30 years and they're now being sold
>>28369713
You completely misunderstood what I fucking said.
There is no problem with people selling their shit, regulation on private sales is a blight, but be warned that people wanting to offload crappy or defective merchandise will do it in private setting where you don't know their main place of business or method of contact.
>this fucking ass wipe goes to the gun show every year and probably has fucking given every fucking person who has bought his old surplus lung cancer and 50 other illnesses and is fucking rich holy fuck i hate that fucking guy now
He probably knew the filter was a used/inoperable one because that's pretty plain to see without a filter cap, but chances are he didn't think about what old filters used to have in them.
If you buy filters, buy new ones - new issue Russian filters can be had for about $6 each if you buy in bulk.
>>28369744
off topic this is now a thread about how fucked this one guy is
>>28369390
Just get multigas cartridges for your mask, that will give you as much protection as milsurp
>>28369390
Absolutely no eye protection.
Even tear gas would fuck you up.
Buy:
PMK $40
M15 $30
S10 $40
PMK is easily the most functional, especially for shooters.
S10 is NATO compatible and good for right handers.
M15 is NATO compatible and works well with most bongs.
>>28368262
I remember this /k/ thread made by someone who found a stash of gas masks and filters in the basement of an old soviet era school.
Turned out that type of filter contained asbestos and anon posted pics wearing one of the masks.
>>28369834
Apparently if the paper that has covered the asbestos isn't damaged, very little to no damage is done.
If the paper is damaged, you're done for
>>28369815
Or get an M10 like me for $9.99
>>28369869
And then fall over dead 20 years after le habbening because of lung cancer
>>28369869
M10 melts.
It looks neat, but melting/disintegrating is not a great feature.
>>28369874
No dude... They are fine
>>28369857
Iet's hope he lucked out then.
Scary.
>>28369857
>Apparently if the paper that has covered the asbestos isn't damaged, very little to no damage is done.
Problem being that just dropping that fucker once may damage it and then it's toxic.
>>28369876
Not true
Just go with the Israeli ones
>>28369941
The rubber that the M10 is made of has a habit of disintegrating if not stored correctly and will actually start to melt if it comes into contact with CR gas, Chlorine gas or blister agents.
>>28369978
Oh really? Why are the Czechs still using them then?
>>28369983
The Czechs are using modernized versions with an improved rubber compound.
Unless you're buying a newly manufactured gas mask ($10 guarantees it's surplus), it will be susceptible to melting and disintegrating.
>>28368262
>>28368279
>>28368265
FUCKING STOP SPREADING THIS SHIT HOLY FUCK
Every god damn gas mask thread with this stupid shit. With the exception of possibly some soviet "coffee can" style filters no one has had asbestos in their filters since the 50's.
Saying that there was asbestos in filters in the fucking 90's is retarded. Unless you are literally collecting antique filters which are 100 percent useless to filter anything btw there is no chance they will have asbestos.
>>28370018
Eh... I can always buy something else
>bump
>>28368069
Buy an FM12 anon
Get the anti-Flash lenses too if you want to be tacticool
>>28369060
>>28368248
Can vouch for this, I've used an M10 for metalworking, powdercoating, chemical spraying, and a half dozen other situations where you don't want to breathe crazy shit in, and an M10 has worked perfectly.
>>28368197
You'll need something to cover all exposed skin to fight against mustard gas.
Hood for the mask
Gloves
for your body rain pants and parka would work for awhile.
Just buy a surplus MOPP suit. You can get them new in the bag for $30-40.
>>28370053
Some countries did not ban the use of asbestos until the late 90s.
But in general no filters made in the civilized world after 1970s should contain asbestos, the ones to look out for are the ones that share filters with older designs that can get mixed up in storage or surplus sales.
These ones are confirmed to contain asbestos:
(Most from the 60s and older)
US M5 Assault
US MI (1919-1930's)
US MIA1 (1930's-1944)
US M1A2 Noncombatant
US Navy Mark IV
US M3 Diaphragm
East German SchMS Filter (EO-16)
Russian GP-4 Filter (ГП-4У)
Russian PRWU Filter (EO-16)
Russian SChM41M (EO-16, T-5)
Russian SchR-2 (EO-16)
US M2 (1939-1939)
US M2A1 (1939-1945)
US M2A2 (1940's-1945)
US M3 Lightweight (1943-1952)
US M3A1 Lightweight (1944-1952)
US M4 Lightweight(1944-1952)
US M4A1 Lightweight (1945-1952)
US M5 Lightweight Assault (1943-1949)
US M8 Lightweight Snout (1945-1952)
US E48 Lightweight Prototype (1949-1949)
US Army MI-1-5 Optical Gas Mask (1930's-1944)
US Navy Diaphragm Optical Gas Mask Mark I Prototype (1920's-1930's)
US Navy Diaphragm Optical Gas Mask Mark I (1930's- 1940's?)
US Army/Navy Diaphragm Gas Mask Mark III (1930's-early 1940's)
US Navy Diaphragm Gas Mask Mark III (1930's-1940's)
US Navy Diaphragm Gas Mask Mark IV (1940's-1957?)
US M2-10-6 Lightweight Optical Gas Mask (1940's-1952)
US M7 Headwound Gas Mask (mid 1940's-1950's?)
US M13 Headwound Gas Mask (1952?-???)
GP-6/PMG-2 Issued with an EO-16 "Coffee can" filter.
Standard GP-5 (ГП-5) Canister made after 1975 should be safe. (If you want to trust a Soviet filter way past its use by date that is...)
Any filters without clear date marks should be avoided.
>>28368197
Mustard gas is a blister agent so you're going to need an NBC hood.
>>28368237
>>28369834
Oh the horror!
Asbestos is like cigarette smoking, you idiots. It's not a fucking neurotoxin that kills you instantly.
>>28368192
>And they're getting it in to US how?
Probably across the border like many other terror supplies
>>28368069
Long enough to give you cancer from all the asbestos chromium and other toxic shit in them.
Get an industrial scba or respirator from 3m, Honeywell or the like if you want to not inhale toxic shit.
https://www.osha.gov/dts/shib/respiratory_protection.pdf
This is a handy chart for buying filters and their rating/protection levels.
If you want your mask to be as versatile and cost-effective as possible I recommend getting a US or Israeli mask compatible with STANAG (NATO 40mm) threaded filters, which are widely available and cheap, manufactured by Scott/3M to this day. The Soviet and Russian masks are not compatible with these. As such your filter selection will be limited, protection will be limited, and your filters will be more expensive and less reliable.
If you just want to look cool and have a bit of extra safety in the event of an NBC attack, then by all means get a Soviet mask. The PMK series are reliable and good for shooting
>>28369446
This is the first I've heard of surplus soviet rebreathers. Anyone have any info on these?
>>28375937
Soviets made quite a few different models.
The ones I have use a chemical cartridge to scrub CO2 and produce O2. Supposed to give 180 minutes of air or 90 of strenuous activity.
Got mine for free since we were throwing them out.
>>28375958
Neat. Are the cartridges hard to come by? Ever try using it yourself?
>>28376031
I've worn it but never used it. The cartridges I have expired in the '90s newer ones can be found for about $40.
http://gasmaskandrespirator.wikia.com/wiki/IP-4M_Rebreather
We threw out about 5k of these and another 10k or so GP6
>>28376071
Are you in a former comblock country? Why did you throw them out?
>>28376122
I did work at a gasplant in a former soviet country.
We threw them out because they were mostly expired and had been replaced with western SCBA. The longer we were in country the more safety changes we managed to get through to bring them in line with western countries.
>>28376174
How can you tell whether the cartridge is expired or not? And the masks themselves expire as well?
>>28376328
Date codes on filters and the usual cracking and such on the masks. Everything still had the original papers as well so it was easy to check dates made.
>>28376345
Thanks for the info. Since you seem knowledgable, are there any other surplus rebreathers on the market? I wasn't even aware militaries used them, always assumed it was only gas masks.
>>28369532
leave your house now, RIGHT NOW.
once outside, burn it down.
never return.
>>28376377
>I wasn't even aware militaries used them, always assumed it was only gas masks.
Military uses everything and anything you can imagine for some specialized purposes.
Rebreathers surplus or non are expensive as hell on the civilian markets. Divers those fucking sunday divers drive prices up..
Surplus rebreathers haven't flooded the markets since well military still uses them. Why militaries get them so cheap? Well no taxes and they buy them one huge batch at a time.
So why do so many old filter have asbestos in them anyways?
>>28377020
Read my post again.
>>28377029
Woah I was way off
Luckily your question is still answered in the post I linked. The chart has some nice asbestos facts on it
>>28368069
they are berry goot
>>28368407
When did this happen?
