Is the age of military surplus over?
It used to be that you could walk into a gunshop, and see a wall of surplus rifles, all under $300.
Now, a nugget will cost you $200, a k98 is $600, K31's are gone. The SKS costs as much as a low budget AR, and the TT Tokerov is on the same level as a hi point.
Hell, the most widely available suplus gun is the M&P 40.
Is this the end, /k/?
>>28360635
Unless another major super power manufactures a fuck ton of semi and bolt actions then collapses in glorious eastern bloc fashion, then yes, yes it's over.
Pretty much.
Russian and Chinese shit is banned pretty much forever.
Everyone else is so anti gun that they would rather spend money turning firearms into rebar than make money selling them to Americans. Even Hawaii is destroying old police guns rather than sell them.
Get what you want to have now. Before it all goes over $500 and just starts climbing.
>Is the age of military surplus over?
well, cheap milsurp, yeah.
Also what K98 is $600? Russian Captures are going for that much recently, but a matching K98 will set you back at least $1000, and that would be a deal.
Thank god. Maybe you will stop fucking jerking off about guns you're not really into history wise and only because of the price point.
Mosins are shit and were always.
>mfw retards actually pay ridiculous prices like $400 for a mosin or $700 for a mauser
>>28360658
our only hope is China collapsing and imports getting unbanned.
What are the odds of M9 surplus hitting the US market?
>>28360687
This, lads.
>>28360715
not very.
Republicans had to sneak some 80 year old 1911s into CMP on a must pass bill.
>>28360635
Yes. Well, for cheap milsurp it is.
Only thing I've been able to find (at least locally) have been cosmoline drenched Chinese Type 53's. I paid $130 a piece for the two I ended up with. The store owners told me that they were the last ones they had from a Century Arms shipment in 2013/
>>28360832
He's right though (mostly). Leave milsurp to collectors.
Yeah basically we're fucked.
>>28360635
if the government stops being faggots and unbans full auto then we should have plenty of surplus
I really want the Republican resident in 2017 to lift the sanctions and bans on Russia. I will drive straight to Canada and import some SVT40s.
I could do it now. It would be such a simple thing to smuggle a couple across the border.
>>28360869
just imagine all the uncucked FALs we'd have...
>>28360635
Honestly, I think the supply WILL open back up, eventually.
I think there are people, and I could be wrong, but I think there are people who bought many mosins or whichever rifle when they were cheap for the HAPPENING and these people have like thirty nuggets in their basement.
As the price of nuggets goes up, private sellers will liquidate their rifles and the price will go down until it stabilizes somewhere below current market prices.
>>28360687
>History is dumb and I'm better than you because I jerk off to my AR
>>28360680
>tfw bought an all matching non import marked K98 2 years ago for $325 at an auction
>>28360687
High quality b8
As soon as trump gets elected and realizes there is business to be done importing cheap old weaponry, poof there goes arms restrictions
>>28360815
Same, $140 each for my two.
>>28360815
all the chink nuggets I have seen have had horrible wood. Looks like they were made from pine and soaked in water before being bashed.
>>28360934
you're going to have fewer people bubba'ing their milsurp when they aren't just buying milsurp because it's all they can afford at the time. If you appreciate the historic value of military surplus firearms, that's a good thing. Those people will buy Savage Axis rifles instead of trying to make old rifles into modern hunting rifles.
>>28360635
There's a bunch of m1 garands and carbines in SK, obama just stopped them from coming in. If we get a proguns president then we may get them.
>>28360635
>Is this the end, /k/?
I wouldn't call it the end, but it's not going to be as great as it was even 5 years ago ever again.
The sooner you buy stuff the better, because it's at a point where it'll constantly go up over time. Whatever you buy today, will be worth a fair amount more in another 5 years.
>>28361048
you make a good point. though they aren'y my guns. i shake my head at shitty bubba guns but I dont do it to my own.
>>28360925
>As the price of nuggets goes up, private sellers will liquidate their rifles and the price will go down until it stabilizes somewhere below current market prices.
I'm not sure I'm following this logic mate.
>>28360849
A shit trip with shit opinions
What a surprise
>>28362708
Ok chief.
>>28360715
Even if they do go to the CMP, they're gonna wait ~30 years after being retired in some armory somewhere. Just like the 1911s.
>>28362677
Not him but it's basic supply and demand m8. Let's say you have 4 nuggets you got for cheap back when supply was high a few years ago - flash forward to 2016 and you might be tempted to sell some (or all) of them for twice the original price.
This naturally happens on a large scale and BOOM prices drop somewhat on the market.
>>28360659
That bullshit the police in hawaii pulled is stupid, but I'm not suprised, these island niggers are so anti-gun it's unamerican. They would rather destroy a quarter of a million dollars in pistols than sell them. I can't wait to get off these shitty islands, fuck hawaii.
>>28360849
I have something like 15 surplus firearms but my career is in medicine. does that make me a collector? who knows. regardless your statement is dumb and open ended.
>>28360899
soon, brother.
/k/'s only chance is move to poor African country and stage an armed coup against the government and replace it with a communist government that puts as much effort into arming itself as possible just so it can collapse in 3 or 4 years and have the arms imported into USA.
Better get to it /k/.
>>28362805
Yes, it does. That makes you a collector. Not some fly-by- nighr Bubba who bought it because he wanted a cheap hunting rifle or to practice his gunsmith in skills.
>>28362800
Hawaii would be nice if there was no hawaiians.
>>28360635
For rifles, it may be the beginning of the end. For general surplus and equipment, the party won't be stopping for years to come.
>>28360658
What we need is to set up a communist nation, produce mountains of equipment, and then collapse after 5 years. That way, the milsurp market will never die.
>>28362677
Let's say I'm billy Bob prepper and I literally bought twenty rifles. Well, lottery tickets and shit beer doesn't buy itself and I see I can get three times what I paid for my rifles. I figure I can sell a few and still have enough to hold of the Hillary bots.
So I go to sell my nuggets, as I do this I reintroduce supply to the market and that drives price down. I don't think this will happen tomorrow, but a decade, two decades from now I think a lot of "crazy grandpa" arsenals are going to get liquidated and flood the second hand market with surplus again.
>>28361040
That's how you know its authentic poorfag ;)
>>28360635
hopefully not. im only 19 and i dont even have some of the staples in a milsurp collection. no krag, no 1903, no 1917, no type 99. i need more time.
>>28362862
"Warrior culture" my ass. Hawaiians are such elitist cunts.
>>28360635
Guys, what about the Norks? They got AKs, Bizons, weird ass LMGs, and other commie knock offs.
>>28363464
Korean War II not soon enough.
>>28363286
I think in a decade, two decades from now firearms will be illegal.
It's been over since 2005 man.
miss the days I used to wait for the weekly Big 5 ads and look for the nuggets to go on sale for $89... wasn't even that long ago either.
>>28363611
pic related
>m39 nuggets used to sell for $150
>tfw looking at forum posts made 10 years ago complaining how they're getting too expensive
>>28360849
>you shouldn't be allowed to collect if you're poor
Wow! A trip that's a faggot! Unbelievable!
>>28360680
I recently got a mostly-matching german k98 for 470$ pic related.
I think there's so much shit we don't know about out there. I.e. Vz58s. Granted they were mediocre quality builds, but they went for 400 bucks and no one really knew about them prior. I'd say there's a few gems out there waiting to be had, but we're never going to have quite as awesome ww2surplus unless the embargoes are lifted.
Maybe WW3 will bring us cool stuff
Any good sites besides gunbroker to buy surplus guns at?
Looking for Lee Enfields specifically.
>>28364864
That's probably your best bet other than gunshows/armslist.
>>28364864
Gunbroker is kind of shit for it unless you have a really good deal no one else jumps on by chance. A better one would probably be your local Armslist, Backpage or maybe Facebook group.
Either way you need to constantly search and look for a while before you find what you want at the price point you want.
>>28364669
Thats a very good deal... Where did you find it?
>>28364928
A pawn shop in my area.
>>28360635
North Korea's collapse is our only hope for more slav guns, while South Korea for Garands.
>>28364997
If China or Russia are ever able to import more slav/chinkshit then I'm guessing there'll be a resurgence in cheap milsurp.
>>28364997
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I heard a ton of surplus is currently getting chopped up over in Europe, is there any proof of this?
>>28365016
Slavshit prices are rising in Canada to the point where it would probably equalize at one point in the medium-ish future.
>>28365041
there are many that are getting chopped up to be deac guns for bongcucks to post on facebook but while every gun that is silenced is a tragedy it's not much in the grand scheme of things.
>>28364928
Nice... I'll have to go scope out the pawnshops in my area
>>28365041
I think it was a museums collection of ww weapons. They were "untraceable" and they didnt want the terrorists to get them. Not even joking.
>>28365060
It was proposed but shot down as completely fucking retarded, if I recall correctly.
>>28360973
> Implying trump will get elected
Good one, anon
>>28365067
Well if they do decide to go for the museums, I hope the curators will do the right thing and ship all their guns to the U.S.
>>28362030
Reminder they were fucking garbage anyway because lol jungle warehouse.
>>28365335
Cheap garbage is better than nothing.
>>28365335
They saw heavy service, m8. A rebarrel and restocking will probably be gtg, provided Century doesn't get their hands on them. Though apparently they took a couple mil in loans for guns that never came so there is a good chance the company that rebuilds them does it right.
>>28360849
Does my C&R not mean I'm a collector?
>>28360635
Like why are niggers, niggers?
>>28365335
As long as they shoot well I don't care how they look. I've heard there's 700k M1 Carbines in South Korea, at least some of them should be in shootable condition.
>>28363361
I'm with you, 19, only got a mosin, enfield and sks...
>>28360687
>$400 for a Mosin
Man, if only they were that cheap! These things are 'spensive as fuck.
>>28365843
awwwww that small one its so cute!!
In terms of completed guns, the mosins and sks's are likely the last boat. In the late 50s and 60s and trailing off through the 70s and maybe early 80s, western milsurp was dirt cheap due to everyone dumping all their WWI and WWII bolt actions which were now obsoleted by 7.62 real FN NATO. The gun market was a lot smaller back then, and the idea of military collecting, like military reenacting wasn't really too much of a thing like it is today.
Things began to pick up, imo, with the 90s. Before then, most people into guns were just fudds firing their 5 rounds a year at the range to sight in their deer rifle for the season. It was slowing down but theres still shit coming in from france or the us garands finally coming on, but also the milsurp collector market was small, and people didn't want rifles in oddball calibers that aren't in their lgs.
In the 90s-early 2000s, there was a renewed interest in WWII in media. Movies like Saving Private Ryan, then games like MoH. It really sparked a lot more interest in historic guns, and the internet made FFL03's and gun histories accessible to everyone. Don't forget, before the internet, you just went to your local fudd store or gun show and bought whatever, and you know what JoeBob told ya. Looking up info was hard, and FFL03s weren't a well known thing like today. With the internet today and two generations that grew up on vidya, anyone can watch ian videos and go on aim and buy whatever and ppu ammo to match, so the demand has really grown and the market is way more accessible.
But the guns outside commieland dried up way back when. We get a huge surge of commieguns due to the wall coming down, but other than kits due to lolalwaysanmg assalt wepin import b& atf shenanigans, I don't expect too much. There still are a few oddball caches here and there, the south korean garands or the ukrainian/RC g43s. But the market is more demanding than it used to be, and the supply can't keep up.
Last I heard Worst korea is looking to sell almost half a million of their ww2/korean war-era guns. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Garand, M1A and 1911 to boot
>>28365915
Right now I think it's mostly former USSR states selling their surplus to make room for new stock and get revenue. Russia still has stockpiles of old WW2/Cold War era gear, if they are ever in need of quick cash I think we may find another glut of cheap surplus.
>>28365843
Hey NC keep your eye on grand prix motorsports in Denver. They get really strange surplus on consignment frequently. I picked up a M38 for $120 a month ago
>>28365915
>>28365915
Ctd:
But think about it: What countries can you think of that haven't already dumped their pre-battle rifle era gear into the US already? Pretty much every european, south /north american country is accounted for up until FALs/AKs depending on where from. More developed countries outside that too (israel, egypt, india, etc). Africa can't be counted on since they just recycle and reuse, and I imagine poor countries, like say, laos, sri lanka, or the *stans outside that will just use their old shit until it is no better than scrap wood, just like the thai and nepalese imports have proven. Then you have to account for places like a-stan and the majority of the middle east that may have had surplus but that scattered due to revolution/civil discontent/partisan war in the meantime. Another thing is, these poorer countries could have also been lend/leased rifles from a major power who recollected them when they didn't want them anymore, kind of like the korean rifles, we did the same thing with greece, denmark, etc.
So idk, I can see a bunch of odds and ends possibly coming out of forgotten warehouses in eastern europe for a while, and maybe places like saudi or jordan for ME, lithuania/ireland/lichenstein for EU, and Malaysia/New Guinea/Bangladesh or something for Asia or something, but I doubt it, and you can already find most of the rifles of "Bolt action military rifles of the world" in the US.
So why am I talking about just bolt actions/first gen semi autos? Well, FALs and stuff are second line still, so they'll still sit around for decades yet, but most of those US made clones already exist for. It still happens though, like the current batch of swiss pe57 kits and the VZ58 kits. Who knows, maybe the brits will dump the l85 and the germans the g36 for ARs once they realize their shit sucks and sell kits, but in current politics, they'll most likely get melted desu.
>>28366043
Most of that shit they can't sell us anymore though. Thanks Clinton. I'm still waiting on their G43s and who knows if theres RC M95s or other lesser axis power gear, but I imagine they would have melted that shit since a lot of different rifles will fuck with logistics.
>>28366065
I'm not so sure about them melting it. I've heard of Berdan II rifles still making their way into the states from Russia. I figure in their current state it's easier to build more storage than to scrap guns.
>>28365151
>implying bernie "lolwhatisbudget" sanders or shillery "kill em after bill drills em" clinton will get elected
>>28360635
Yes
This is now the golden age of homemade weaponry
>>28365915
Woah, what the fuck? We're getting in Gewehr 43s again?! I thought they were gone completely by the early 2000's.
>>28360635
it's done, sub surplus $100 rifle days are over for good
>>28363634
yeah, miss that too. that was only like 2010 2011ish when they stopped that
>>28362815
Assuming we could actually get the arms imported and for sale id be down for that
So long as we produce lots of gpmg's and 10's of millions of rounds of ammunition
>>28366139
lots of g43s in russia, svt-40s, etc. but since clintons russian import faggotry that obama has added to, we cant get that shit in america. canada can easily buy semi surplus like svt40s for like $200
>>28366200
>10's of millions of rounds of ammunition
You got to make sure that ammo is put into cans, too. It just ain't commie ammo if it's not encased in metal.
>>28360880
I can get a sks at canadian tire for 170 is that good?
>>28366243
yes, considering they r 400$ in burgerland, also considering that syrupbucks are only worth .70¢ in america so technically 170syrups is even cheaper in american money
You will all now understand the pain of being an Arisaka collector. Except it doesn't cost $3 a round to fire jap 7.7 for you.
>>28366306
You can still find $200-250 Arisakas. Also, doesn't Prvi make 7.7 jap?
>>28366235
Yes
We build .338 UM gpmg's and tons of .338 ammo the exposed Hardened steel penetrator kind
We could design a rocket launcher that uses rdx boosters to propel 3d printed rockets
What I really want are those cylindrical mags that Best Korea uses.
>>28366324
Helical mags
>>28366335
Thanks for the correction m8, 6am here and haven't slept.
>>28364842
Nice sticks and stones to bash your neighbors head in for the last can of meat
>>28366315
Those arisakas are generally last ditch or sported. A couple places make 7.7 but it's constantly out of stock.
An arisaka is the best home defense weapon because you get to bayonette home invaders for the emperor due to the guns firing honor instead of bullets.
>>28363694
If you're poor you should probably worry about not being poor rather than a hobby. But even if you disregard that (as the poor often do) you would still be a COLLECTOR dipshit.
>>28366517
>the only reason to own surplus is if you're a collector
You're a special kind of stupid. Ever think some people just want a quality firearm for an affordable price? Why do you think target shooting and hunting should be relegated to modern rifles while milsurp should be only for hanging on a wall and jacking off to your collection?
>>28366585
If you want "a quality firearm at a affordable price" buy a Savage, or a Howa, or a Ruger in a common caliber. Not only will you save money but you'll out perform 99.99% of all milsurp firearms ever made.
>>28366612
Or I could keep buying surplus rifles and tell retards like you to go fuck themselves ;^)
>>28366620
Ok buddy.
>>28366612
>implying bargain bin hunting rifles compare to any German made Mauser
You need to start getting into the $5-600 tier for that.
Where are all the milsurps in Europe?
Seriously. As a Swiss citizen I can only find old Swiss rifles, everything else is rare as fuck.
Portugal and Spain had Mausers as service rifles, where are they? Where are the semi auto FALs used by the UK and Austria?
Where are the shit ton of Lee Enfields?
Everything is gone, and I don't know where.
>>28366661
Ex-yugo countries probably.
The old L1A1s are probably sitting in the Royal Armory collecting dust. A lot of WW1 era British rifles would have been handed in because of the 1938 firearms act. Not sure about the WW2 rifles, private sales to Americans maybe? Probably quite a few still in the possession of gun clubs.
>>28366661
Part of it went to the US decades ago, everything else has been deactivated/destroyed by anti-gun governments.
>>28366661
The good old USA took them all. If you're not careful, that's what will happen to your guns as well. K31s here are already thrice the price of those in Switzerland and more beat up, too.
>>28366684
>tfw they'd rather destroy them than sell them
They want to get rid of their guns, right? We'll pay them for the privilege of removing their guns.
Yes it's dead. Governments no longer trust civilians with the small arms in common use by their militaries.
>>28360687
Every new feature is going to be treated as scary and is going to be subject to ban. From here into eternity. It's already stopped surplus weapons as a thing. That's not winning for you.
>>28366118
Bernie is from Vermont, and sides with gun owners, but agrees with background checks.
He just wants to stop giving GE welfare to the tune of $400m a year so that we can give poor dumb southerners like you health insurance so you can get your teeth fixed.
>>28366640
>$5-600
>not bargain bin
Sorry about you're poor. My Italian over/under dove gun goes for $15k.
>>28362723
You realize people who trip on an anonymous board actually have autism, right?
Also don't you have a hi point to go save up for? Leave the expensive historical stuff to the adults.
>>28366908
cool story?
My car / house / x goes for y.
Bragging is all the rage these days with newfags
>>28366895
Jesus you're retarded. Countrywide free healthcare is going to be in the tens trillions of dollars. Even DOUBLING the taxes on the top 5% of earners would only bring in 100-200 billion. And that's IF they decide to be cucks and keep their money in country. Meanwhile that "400m GM welfare" equates to like $3 per fucking taxpayer. That's fucking nothing compared to "muh free healthcare and college and weed and gays"
You fucking people need to study finance before you try to speak about it, Christ.
>>28360815
Picked mine up in 2009 at my lgs for $80 bucks
Mfw I got it pretty cheap
>>28366661
I think it's all been run into the ground or else is jealously horded by shooters and collectors. Little new is put on the market because powers that be would rather it was never found, destroyed or just not put into the hands of Europeen citizens.
I don't know how it is there but in the UK a lot of our surplus is ratty as fuck because it's been owned and shot non-stop since it was first sold off from service. Once one ancient owner dies another buys it and the cycle repeats itself. Now you have to look for recently imported stuff, stuff that's been rebarreled and looked after, or the rare rifle that hasn't seen 50 years of continuous club shooting and has been looked after by interested owners.
The US gets the lion's share, I expect a lot of the rest ends up scrapped.
>>28366917
Whatever you say boss.
>>28364864
Try Simpsons Ltd. They are a great outfit. The stuff they have is usually a little pricey, but they are more geared toward collectors.
>Want a cheap gun
>Heard the praise of glorious cheap moist nugget for years
>Finally get finances
>Guns are getting more expensive
>Slowly climbing out of my financial reach
Fuckin gay earth. I just wanted a cheap milsurp rifle for hunting next year but now even the shittiest of ones will set me back 200 dollars.
>>28367226
Or you could just pay 300$ for a new production hunting rifle not taking a chance on a shit mosin that cant hit the side of a barn
>>28367246
At this rate i don't think i'll even be able to afford a barn target practice shooting mosin.
Almost makes me want to give up on guns in general because i don't know if i can even set aside a sizable sum of money each paycheck.
>>28367226
on the bright side ar prices keep coming down
>>28366306
You're an Arisaka collector and you don't reload?? Rounds would cost you like 40 cents a trigger pull provided you have brass.
>>28367272
Its unfortunate but shooting is not a cheap hobby. I have spent enough money to buy a nice car with on guns. It sucks.
>>28367272
Get a pistol carbine. They're usually less expensive than a full sized rifle and the rounds cost much less than rifle rounds.
>>28360635
With current gun imports being so strict yeah its over. In addition, most military firearms are select fire, so they wouldnt be able to be brought into the states without being rebuilt, and that in coordination with 922r means it would cost a lot of money to get modern surplus guns available for sale in the US civilian market.
In a way, yes and no.
We aren't bringing are guns back anymore. Back in the day, guns weren't as modular or updatable as they are now, so there were a lot more varied guns for different purposes. We've had the m16/AR platform since like the 60's, because we can continue to update the design with small features to allow specialization. Now, we have a bunch of the same guns in circulation of the military and there wont be a need to get a new rifle for a while. Once that happens, ARs will be essentially worthless due to the sheer amount on the market and surplus will flow free again.
>>28360899
>>28363541
easy there Billy Bob
>>28368746
Once a machine gun always a machine gun. I'm guessing AR15 parts kits will be made extremely affordable once countries start dumping their surplus. Can't wait for cheap M16a1 parts kits.
Never going to buy 8mm by the barrel
surplus pistols are still a possibility. I hope
>tfw no massive surplus MK23s
>>28369157
Even if the MK23s were surplussed in the future, they'd be auction only
the mil only bought about 2000 of them back in the 90's
>>28369157
>implying Western governments will ever allowed MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS to be sold off or dumped on the domestic or other first world allied markets ever again.
It's over, /k/omrade.
Go look up the old magazine adds from the 50s and before when they were selling 98ks and Enfields for like $10, and be depressed.
>We'll NEVER lift the russian import ban and get thousands of crates of SVT 40s
>>28366139
From my understanding theres a bunch of RC G43s but when the usual importers went to go check them out, they were asking way too much for them and it would have been unprofitable to buy them currently.
>>28366908
>this is how big my dick is!
>>28369269
Don't say that anon! Trump is a smart business man who will see the profit of bringing in funs by the freighter.
>>28369358
He's also a hardcore protectionist so he would easily be swayed to the same bullshit in the name of protecting American companies.
>>28369460
simple solution to this
1. import rifles
2. sell through american company like buds or classic or whoever
taxable profits
>>28369460
Trump is bragging about how he'll be besties with Putin. Kalashnikov Concern is suffering without US civilian sales, despite what the slavaboos are saying. Best case scenario is Putin asks for the executive order from Obama to be overturned with a bunch of addons like lifting the SVD ban and allowing semi auto "historical" weapons.
>>28369303
Correct. Same with the Russian 1895s. They want (if I recall correctly) $2000 per rifle (1895s that is) and something like $1750 for the G43s.
>>28369546
They have 1895's? Oh fuck!
>>28365335
lol nigga they were gonna come in as parts guns and receivers for the CMP they weren't gonna just sell those pieces of shit caked in cosmoline like that
>>28369686
You didn't know that? They received something on the order of 300,000. Now quite a few were sent to Spain during their civil war, and others to Finland, but at least half (and some estimate upwards of 225,000) are sitting in storage. The Russians just want too much.
Though if the Ruble weakens or oil takes another big hit (or both) they might be willing to budge on the price.
>>28369976
I just didnt know that they had that many still in storage. I thought they all got disappeared to various war torn counties over the years
While milsurp may be done, there are still some interesting things for folks who want inexpensive historical pieces. For example, classic hunting rifles. They've got good wood, iron sights, and many use the same actions (Mauser) as the old milsurp. Better yet, most are in common calibers.
Also, milsurp may become like the cowboy and civil war era guns- companies like Pedersoli will start making modern replicas. You'll lose the historical value, but you'll gain a brand new rifle, maybe even in a modern easy to find caliber. It'd be nice to shoot something like a 1895 Lee Navy in .223 or a new Krag in .308.
That would leave the historical pieces to the collectors, but still allow people to shoot and enjoy the basic designs.
>>28366895
> and sides with gun owners,
The second amendment wasn't meant for hunting.
>>28366661
Destroyed.
>>28360658
Eh, heh....I love these threads that are solved by the first response. Let's me know Jesus really IS taking the wheel.
/thread
>>28366895
Please look into the man's voting record. Seriously. He has supported every "assault weapons" ban that has come up since he was elected.
>>28370107
Companies can make black powder firearms cheaply because the materials don't need to handle the higher pressures of smokeless powder.
>>28372662
Most older milsurp are over designed to work with poor steel quality, pistols might get a bit on the expensive side but back then a pound or so to prevent KB was considered better than spending more an refined metals that would wear out tooling faster.
>>28372662
They make smokeless repros as well.
