How did 600+ US soldiers get KTFO by a five-headed warrior chief named "Little Turtle"? What kind of weaponry was being fielded on both sides?
>>28360375
>1791.
>American Army.
There's your problem
>>28360406
I read somewhere that as a proportion of all American armed forces, the Battle of the Wabash was by far the most devastating in terms of the percentage of US troops taken out of action in a single engagement. Back then, those 623 guys were a large portion of the entire military.
>>28360440
What I'm trying to say is early USA disbanded the professional army they built during their revolution. Because Standing Armies apparently are LE EBIL TYRANNICAL TOOL OF KINGZ.
Guess what happened when you send just random militia cunts with guns against warriors.
Knowing nothing about the actual battle, they probably had plenty of muskets and maybe even a few cannons. French and British gave them a lot of shit to fight their respective enemies with in the years prior.
The native Americans weren't savages, dude. They built pyramids, had philosophy, science, math, etc....
They figured it out. The good life is literally hunting, fishing, eating, sleeping, fucking.
>>28360563
Well yeah, this is /k/, I think we have a decent amount of respect for the capabilities of the oldschool Indian warriors. But 600 in a single engagement is several hundred more than the next-deadliest US-native clashes (for US soldiers).
>>28360590
Literally everyone BTFO America in its early days...
If Japan dropped everything it was doing and focused on us during WW2, they would have taken America to the Rocky Mountains.
We aren't nearly as strong as you think we are.
read The Frontiersman.
the army was supposed to have 750 elite regulars and 2000 militia, but nobody had any faith in the general. so he issued a draft. about a month into the campaign (after serious missteps and errors), his ressuply caravan hadnt showed up, so he went ahead anyway, without enough food or ammunition.
he camped about 300 yards from hundreds of British supplied, pissed off indians. then his militia deserted in the middle of the night. then instead of fortifying his position, he sent his commandos to find the deserters and supply train.
then the indians fucked his shit up.
>>28360375
Beats me. My 10th great-grandfather, Captain John Underhill, slaughtered thousands of the vermin with only a few dozen men under his command.
Then one of his children married one, so I'm like 1% native. :^)
>>28360613
>>28360613
To the Rockys? I figure they'd run out of gas at the coast of Cali and get artyd into nothingness.
>>28360613
I am amazed that people this stupid don't electrocute themselves while using computers.
>>28360613
Put down the crack pipe.
>>28360563
>The native Americans weren't savages, dude. They built pyramids, had philosophy, science, math, etc....
WE
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>>28363075
Topkek
>>28360613
Japan didn't want to touch mainland US. That famous quote "there will be a gun behind every blade of grass" comes directly from the japanese.
>>28363107
Even if you don't factor that in the Japanese wouldn't have been able to sustain any sort of military forces across the entire Pacific Ocean from their home islands. Hawaii would have been a huge challenge for them, let alone fucking Sacramento
>>28363055
Given their logistics capabilities, they would have run out of gas somewhere shy of Hawaii. Pearl Harbor was just about the outer limit of their ability.
>>28363107
Yamamoto never actually said that.
Japan absolutely never hoped to invade the US, but the "gun behind every blade of grass" quote is apocryphal.
>>28364299
Funny story true story, some of the captains of the fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor wanted to launch a third wave of bombers, to focus on fuel dumps and refineries.
But that idea got shitcanned because sticking around any longer would've meant they wouldn't have had enough fuel to get back with the whole fleet. They would've had to take the fuel off escorts and auxiliaries and scuttle them, just so the carriers could make it back.
>>28364385
That doesn't make sense. But I'm not doubting you, if anything I'm going to follow up with asking why couldn't they radio home and have fuel tankers meet them halfway? Am I just ignorant of the sheer magnitude of fuel/distance or would it make them too vulnerable?
>>28364407
Well running out of fuel wasnt the only worry. They were also worried the US carriers would show up and murder them, especially since they didn't have the fuel left for a protracted battle.
I imagine that's also partly why they didn't send a follow up fleet of tankers.
Say you go with the tanker plan. Now because you've done your 3rd wave, and bring all the escorts and auxiliaries, if those tankers get sunk on the way, your fleet's stuck outta fuel halfway between Hawaii and Japan.
>>28364448
>halfway between Hawaii and Japan
(New anon has entered the game.)
Feel free to call me retarded, but didn't they have island bases a lot closer they could fall back to, they invaded Guam around the same time and -IIRC- they already established Truk as an important supply base.
>>28360613
>>28363055
>>28363075
Real talk though. Not trolling, just trying to further my knowledge of history here.
Would it really be that far-fetched to imagine a naval domination for the Japanese, if they actually bothered to encrypt their communications and did not rely on false intel? As in, if they used their navy to their full potential? As far as I understand it, 99% of all the Japanese defeats stemmed directly from issues relating to them gathering false intel and the Allies cracking their communications easily.
I honestly believe if they did a competent zergrush early on, they could have prevented the US from building up their navy further and denied the US the access to the Pacific.
i love how a revolutionary war thread turned into a fucking wwii whatif thread. holy fuck /k/, never change
>>28363101
niceme.me
