This just got announced today, and gee whiz, its another poly striker pistol.
Great, no, that's perfect. I'm GLAD we have more thoughtless service pistols that don't excel in anyway over the competition.
When did companies stop being creative and quit pushing the boundaries of gun design?
>>28356667
They dropped support for .40 S&W so that's a significant advancement.
>>28356722
Oh fuck off memester
>>28356667
Cocking wings when?
>>28356667
>Whole bevy of about to come out bullpups are due for some updates or releases at SHOT in less than a month
>Multiple companies releasing .300wm/.338lapua ARs
>Militaries starting to transition from 1913 to mlok
Looks like rifles are innovating. Handguns are boring, unless they look this sweet
>>28356722
I laughed probably harder than I should have.
I hate the .40 with a passion though, seriously.
>>28356737
>Facts is memes cause I say so guize
.40 is dying, this is an objective fact, in 15 years it will be shelved with .357 Sig and 10mm auto, useless cartridges with small but disproportionately obnoxious fan bases
>>28356820
>bullpups
Nothing new
>caliber changes
Ohwowitsnothing.tiff
>Military trasnistions to memelok
mfw
>>28356845
>mil and leo contracts stop buying 40 and 357SIG
>tfw literally never an ammo shortage for the forseeable future because it's an "obscure" caliber
Being futureproof is fuckin rad.
>>28356667
its the norm. before that everyone was big into DA/SA and their variants
before that it was revolvers. Im bored as fuck with them too but Im not surprised either
>>28356850
Then please tell me, when did the firearms industry innovate?
Because after the low hanging fruit was picked, aint shit been really new in over 50 years.
>>28356722
Gun owners don't want new shit, that's the real problem.
Even the Army tried to replace the Beretta, said they want fuddy5 back and, lo and behold after getting a bunch of nice replacements "naw fuck it, sticking with the piece of shit we got kthnx"
>>28356874
Development of new weapons, such as the akm platform of rifles, the development of the M1 carbine, the m1a, the m16, the armalite 10, for starters.
So yeah, no shit there hasnt been anything new in 50+ years. That's the point im getting at. How many AR's can you buy before you just get tired of owning the same shit, over and over again?
New gun development will be in alternative propellants
Mark my words, we will regularly see non-gunpowder firearms by 2035
>>28356921
I'll be sure to come back to /k/* in 20 years just to call you a faggot
*/k/ which is now regulated by the Brady group and Hillary Clinton's 'one shell and you're out' gun control legislation.
>>28356667
Because how handguns were going to be designed until there is a radical shift in ammunition was decided a hundred years ago with the hi-power, 1911 and pocket hammer-less pistols. All anyone did after that was rearrange some bits and remove the manual safeties that browning never wanted anyway. Sure we have polymer and yes that was an advancement but until red dots become cheap enough to use as stock sights on pistols or smart bullets are developed, all we can really do is tweak the ergos and find more ways to squeeze in more rounds.
>>28356874
I see you bitching with a trip like you have anything useful to contribute yet I see no ideas from you.
>>28356930
We had the FiveSeven attempt to push for a small rifle bullet in a handgun nobody really bit off and it's considered a meme gun
>>28356930
oh but yeah rifles no one has really figured out the perfect design yet, but thats more because rifles have to do more different things than a service pistol which has pretty much one job.
>>28356942
I could be wrong but I thought the FiveseveN was intended as a sidearm for personal using the P90. By the way someone convince me not to buy a ps90 .
OP, firearms production with current technology has more or less plateaued. There's not going to be some huge revolutionary gun until a paradigm shift happens. Even then, it probably won't be the gun but munition that changes. We could be looking at smart munitions, caseless ammo, or something nobody has even thought of yet.
I could honestly see the US military still using an M16 derivative in 50 years. It realibily send bullets down range in sufficient numbers while being reliable and easy to maintain. Will it still be chambered in 5.56? There's a good possibility to won't be, but we'll have to wait and see.
>>28356942
Yeah the 5&7 was a neat idea but its only really useful for defeating soft armor that nobody uses except cops, and its not so great for putting down unarmored opponents. I mean it will do it but sending a boatload of 9mm hollowpoints or some .45 will do the job quicker.
>>28356722
I like .40
>>28356970
A carbine length AR does the same job better for less money
>>28356931
He's too busy shitposting in /arg/ to see that his toys are all dressed up antiques, like a mosin wearing mlok rails.
Sad really.
>>28356942
I guess thats kinda the idea behind the FiveseveN though so I guess i should shut the fuck up and plow more snow
>>28356970
>By the way someone convince me not to buy a ps90
You shouldn't buy a PS90 because I don't want more people scooping up 5.7x28 that is now cheaper to shoot than 5.56.
>>28356984
Of course you do, it's slow and weak just like your choice in automobiles :^)
>>28356986
>somebody is shitposting with my AR
Neat.
>>28356985
I agree but I have shit that does the job of ar's. I do plan on scooping a bcm though too probably before Id get a ps90 but I kinda want a ps90 becuase all that dakka in such a small package.
>>28356931
Thats just it.
There is nothing to contribute because there is nothing really new. Why come up with a new way of firing a bullet? What we have now is reliable, accurate, and inexpensive to produce. Where could we improve?
>>28356977
maybe they'll just use integrally supressed m4 carbines in .300blk, if they could figure a way to keep it from getting filthy so fast that would be a slick little general issue weapon.
>>28357006
Thing looks wicked. Thumbs up.
>>28357044
Thanks, anon.
>>28356845
.40 is a perfectly good round. It is a compromise between 9mm and .45. Why does this make you mad?
>>28357044
Thing looks like a largely unused safe queen.
We will return to bolt actions with huge bullets for instant killing power over lots of bullets that tickle enemies (like 5.56, literally a .22 caliber round).
10x80mm here I cum
>>28356982
>>28356970
5-7 was intended for the P90 as it used the same ammo, yes. The problem was the ammo was too expensive to give it an edge on 9mm or even 40/45 and the best ammo was banned for personal use I believe (not sure on that one)
People complained about the price mostly, and that is where a large part of lack of innovation in the gun world comes from. Making someone 'more dead' than the cost of a 9mm HP would is a tough sell.
>>28356871
Top bad you still have to deal with using a shitty short and weak clown caliber.
>>28357078
yeah the "more deadlier stuff" was just the ap stuff which yeah is great against body armor but doesn't necessarily create more traumatic wounds.
>>28357062
>The lower capacity of a .45
>The wound channels of a 9mm
Compromises arent always good.
>>28356999
I'd like to argue the point, but 3 repeating digits in a row do not lie.
>>28357063
>yfw I built that rifle during Black Friday of this year
>yfw I took that picture the day I assembled it
I don't own safe queens. All of my guns get used.
Anyways, adding to what I said here >>28356977, I should note that I don't think caseless ammo will ever take off. There are too many issues with it, and the cons outweigh the pros. Heat is the biggest one.
Honestly though, if anybody all could figure out what the next big thing in firearms would be, they'd be fucking rich.
>>28357101
>I don't own safe queens
Judging by the fact that the finishes on them are perfect and you seem more intrested in taking pictures than shooting I would say you do.
Remember, your black rifle or wonder 9 is a safe queen if the cost of ammo fired out of it hasn't exceeded the cost of the gun itself.
>>28357087
>implying pistols have any negligible difference in wounding capabilities between the top 5 most common choices in mil/leo applications
When the 4 year ammo panic sets in, I'll still have something to shoot with while you 9mm and 45 fags stand around crying that you can't find any Remington whitebox to practice with anymore.
>>28357101
AR15 accessories and attachments seen to be big short term moneymakers right now.
>>28357097
>faggot tripfag thinks his personal gay ass preferences matter and anybody reads his posts
lol
>>28357122
>yfw I also got a DSLR camera as a gift right before Black Friday and wanted to test it out on something I like
You've got quite the chip on your shoulder. There's nothing I can say that will ever convince you how often I shoot, nor do I care. I don't even know why I offered my initial explanation of why my new AR was so spotless.
Call them safe queens if it makes you feel better about yourself. It makes no difference to me.
>>28357156
This isn't /v/, anon. That tripfag is also from /o/ and he just doesn't take off his trip.
There hasnt been a new handgun design in 100 years. And nothing of mention riflewise since Stoner. Basically until our lord and savior John Moses Browning gets reincarnated we are just getting rehashes of his 100 year old designs. Name a successful modern handgun that isnt a basic JMB design. Until we get a Browning like genius we are getting slight changes to old shit.
>>28357137
Yeah, but I'm talking about the next major advancement in firearms. Like the revolver, or lever action, or using gas to cycle the action. It's difficult to predict what the next big innovation will be, because up until now it was more or less us figuring out how to send more bullets down range more accurately with a lighter weight rifle. We've more or less reached a peak in that regard. The projectile that's being fired seems like one of the last things that can truly be improved by a significant degree. Oh, and ballistic computers integrated into optics.
I know smart bullets are a thing in some larger calibers (at least concepts), but imagine smart bullets in something like a 5.56 rifle.
>>28357190
That's a good point.
>>28357156
You read my post. That's how I gain my power level. Thank you for reading.
>>28357127
>implying
>>28357199
The problem is that advancement is being held back by restrictions on FA weapons, I still believe the zero recoil concept stoner was going for is the next step.
How can we have true handgun innovation when the law says all handguns must adhere to certain appearance standards?
There just isn't that more interesting you can do with pistols.
It's like the combustion engine, the only thing left is to refine current tech until something like laser pistols get invented.
>>28356667
Is there ANY improvements over the SR9 with this gun? Seems like it's the exact same gun with altered aesthetics
>>28357096
It is more like:
>similar capacity to 9mm
>similar wound channel to .45
>>28357422
>There just isn't that more interesting you can do with pistols.
There is, look at MRDSes. Most people dont use them because they're poorfags. As they become more popular the prices will drop due to the economies of scale.
>>28357303
>>28357386
These.
>>28357278
>reloading components never go out of stock during a panic
>>28357577
>not having 40mm ammo cans full of powder and primers
>not having 30mm ammo cans full of bullets and brass
>>28357465
People don't use them on handguns largely because they're tits on a bull.
>>28357655
>30mm
30 cal. I wish I had 30mm cans full of both.
>>28357657
>poorfag
>the post
>>28357695
I own one and funny enough I don't have it on my handgun because it's fucking useless. Nice try though.
>>28356871
>future proof
>no demand =/= more supply
>>28357739
>seriously i'm not a poorfag
>i'm so rich that I dont even have a camera
The problem is expense too. People, as in not people like us, but your average "i want a pistol for 'defense' and I'll shoot it once then leave it to rot in a drawer' are not going to spend a lot of money. These are the types who are going to walk out of a gun store with a Glock 17 because its a brand they recognize and its not as expensive as their grandpa's 1911.
So why innovate when Glock figured out the basic formula?
>>28356667
>Has new gun development gone stagnant?
Yep. Aside from minor tweaks there's not much else that can happen. Unless a new kind of ammunition comes along (small sabots, fuckin' lazers, ect.) gun design can only be polished and not innovated.
>>28356871
>not realizing that more obscure calibers cost more to shoot
Have fun not being able to shoot as much.
>>28356845
I remember when they said that about 9mm in the late 90's.
>>28357655
>implying that it's doing you any good sitting in cans
Granted, if I wasn't so lazy, I'd already have a reloading bench by now. Fuck the cold weather.
>>28357966
>not realizing obscure calibers dont get bought up by poorfags.
>being able to shoot expensive ammunition is somehow worse than not being able to shoot at all
>>28357864
>no demand
>357SIG is totally not in use by Federal Alphabet agencies guise, there wont be ANY overflow into the civilian market
>implying I can't neck down a 40 cartridge and jam a .38 projectile in it.
WEW LADS
>>28358094
>>implying that it's doing you any good sitting in cans
Its a stockpile. The entire purpose of it is to sit around so I dont run out of shit the next time a panic happens.
>>28356667
FUCK POLYMER
BUILD ME A REAL GUN OUT OF COLD HARD STEEL U FAGENTS
>>28356722
Quite possibly the most advancement since polymer framed pistols.
>>28356776
>cocking wings
oh good Lord...
>>28356667
Yep. As most recently proven by Beretta.
>US military asks for new pistol
>Makes same old pistol, but in plastic
>calls it a new gun
There hasn't been anything revolutionary in quite some time.
>>28356667
Guns have always advanced very slowly with occasional game changing leaps. The LSAT program is something all new, other than that there have still been minor improvements recently such as nitrided barrels that are more durable than chrome lined ones without the accuracy issues of chrome lined barrels, interchangeable grips (backstraps and sometimes side panels) on polymer frame pistols, Sig's P250/P320 interchangeable frames that allow you to dick around without having to worry about ruining a couple hundred dollar frame, smaller red dot sights that can be mounted on pistols, and improvements in computer aided design that have allowed designers to shave pounds off some existing gun designs. It's the same as it ever was.
>>28358094
>being able to shoot expensive ammunition is somehow worse than not being able to shoot at all
Only caliber I've ever had a problem shooting was .22lr, never had much of a problem finding ammo or reloading components (other than finding the same powder so that I don't need to adjust anything) for anything that I shoot.
>>28356667
looks like a shitty umarex airgun.
>>28358333
This
>>28356845
>and 10mm auto
You take that back you motherfucker, you can fuck off and take your tiny hands with you.
The only section of the firearms industry still seeing massive improvements are shotguns led by the Europeans while the Yankees keep producing outdated shit from the 1950s-1960s.
Of course /k/ doesn't do anything but play pretend mall-ninja and does not have the money to afford a Benelli Ethos or a Beretta SP10 so this isn't mentioned that often.
>>28357159
Clearly you do care if you keep posting. Enjoy your safe queens faggot.
>>28358094
>>implying I can't neck down a 40 cartridge and jam a .38 projectile in it.
>implying you know shit
A .357 sig is a different case than a .40sw and is not just a necked down .40sw. Also it is higher pressure as well.
If you feel like blowing yourself up like the retard you are go ahead.
>>28356667
They didn't stop.
See: Boberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TSva89jbNM
I met the guy at a gun show once. Said he was selling the rights to a big name manufacturer cause they have more production capacity.
The failures on them can be pretty catastrophic though.
Handguns are completely stagnant because they're all Glock clones now.
You can get mad and slam your 1911s and slav shit on the ground all you want, but the Glock polymer frame is still the current best pistol design
Rifles, shotguns, and ammo are still advancing rapidly outside the consumer and civilian market
>>28356667
Regulations make it hard to get into the business.
I actually have a design I've patented and have tried selling it to companies, but nobody wants to bite.
And this is a design that I feel would have a market and could be profitable with a street price of $300-400
I'd love to make them myself but too much regulations involved.
>>28361661
Not to mention the tilt locking barrel design from John Browning is genius and there is little reason to change it, although the rotating barrel in the PX4 Storm is interesting
So the new Ruger is a shitty rip off of the VP9, which is a shitty rip off of the Glock 17
Non Glock fags on suicide watch
>>28356722
God bless them.
>>28357455
>Fudds still believe this
>>28361712
And the Glock is a copy of the VP-70, so what's your point?
>>28359821
>improvements are shotguns led by the Europeans while the Yankees keep producing outdated shit from the 1950s-1960s.
>Posts about the Ethos that uses tech from 1967
>Game changing at all
Whatever tardy.
Just because you want a $2k Benelli, doesn't make it any kind of advancement.
>>28356667
Its never been about innovation.
Companies are out to make money and if striker fired polymer guns make money, they'll keep them coming. The only innovation we've had was caused by people wanting money for coming up with new space guns so until the market is 100% saturated dont expect much.
>>28361766
>Glock is a copy of the VP70
>Hemmoroids and Kock fanbois this delusional
>>28361712
>So the new Ruger is a shitty rip off of the VP9
except it was built to pass military trials, so it can probably get wet without failing
>>28356722
Ah "they", good to know that ambiguous entity is worried about such things. .32 short is still in production for fucks sake
>>28361903
They as in Ruger, who makes the new pistol that OP posted a picture of. They are just making it in 9mm and .45 ACP
>>28361795
>oh no, someone called out my glock perfection as not being original after I said the same thing about every polymer pistol that's come out after glock *deep breath* I am going to call him names to keep from cryinnnggggg.
>>28356667
>'mericglock with a good trigger
>bonus: no safety bullshit
I like it
