I get major anxiety when flying due to how little control I have.
Totally defenceless, unarmed, trapped, claustrophobic, trusting two guys you can't even see with your life. It's just all terrible.
What's the best protocol if you are involved in a hijacking?
What if the plane makes a steep uncontrolled decent in a possible pilot suicide (Germanwings flight 9525)?
Where's the best place to sit?
I'd feel much better if they let law abiding citizens carry on planes.
Sit by an emergency door and bring a parachute in your carry on luggage.
/thread
>>28349218
This won't do you any good if the cabin is pressurized, you will never get the e-hatch open.
>>28349167
shoes, fists and hope man.
>>28349167
A simple way to solve this is to not a paranoid faggot OP.
It is probably 10 times more likely that you will be assaulted on the airport than in the actual plane. Also the poorest and most crazy dindus cant afford a plane ticet anyway.
>>28349167
learn to be an adult and accept you can't control everything in your life
>>28349167
If hijacking: Hope you're in the US, because those hijackers are going to get beaten to death.
Other: Pray to Allah and die
>>28349167
Me, be on flight from NYC to Johannesburg
6 hours in, some Indian starts acting up, gives the flight attendants in the galley a load of shit. Gets loud
Me, take badge out of pocket and show it to flight crew
Me, show badge to the Indian, tell him to sit down and shut up. Cite non-existent US and FAA code that give me jurisdiction until we're over another sovereign territory
Tell the flight crew to get the passenger restraint kit and notify the pilot
Tell indian he's going to be detained and confined until we land in West Africa where he'll be turned over to the Senegal Police
Ask him if sitting and down and shutting up is better than third world prison and his vacation ended.
Indian sits down and shuts up doesn't say another word
Me and family get moved to first class for the remaining 9 hours of the flight.
>>28349287
Belt buckles do a real number on a skull.
>>28349360
SAO what do you do for a living besides shitpost here?
>>28349387
I am a PA state LEO and I'm working on a Ph.D. in shitposting.
>>28349405
You should form 6 a LM4 kit and use a cnc warrior receiver to build yourself something sweet.
http://indestructibleumbrella.com/blogs/videos Indestructible or unbreakable umbrella
http://unbreakableumbrella.com
>>28349167
>trusting two guys you can't even see with your life
On a modern airliner, you're trussting three pairs of computers, each pair made by a different manufactuer and running idendependantly written software to prevent more than one pair having the same error, which work on a "vote council" system with your life. The pilot and captain are just there to make you feel better about the whole thing, but as more than 95% of all air accidents are caused by the pink squishy thing between the yoke and the seat, it's generally best to let the computer drive.
>>28349167
>What's the best protocol if you are involved in a hijacking?
Given the statistical chance of that happening to you, it would be more prudent to plan what to do if you get struck by lightning on the way to cash in your winning lotto ticket.>>28349167
>What if the plane makes a steep uncontrolled decent in a possible pilot suicide (Germanwings flight 9525)?
If the pilot points the plane at the ground it's not an uncontrolled descent. Going with statistical odds again, you'd be better off planning what to do in case you get attacked by a lion that escaped from the zoo.
>Where's the best place to sit?
Next to the emergency exit. Possibly at the back, as it's fairly uncommon for a plane to reverse in to a mountain.
>I'd feel much better if they let law abiding citizens carry on planes.
You can ignore the fact that you can't shoot your way out of a multiple catastrophic system failiure or a mid air collision. You can ignore the fact that a law abiding citizen is a criminal who hasn't been caught yet. You can ignore the fact that a law abiding eighty year old could have her weapon taken from her by a younger, criminally mided person. However, you can't ignore the damage caused by a terrorist goading someone in to shooting them at 30,000' and the ensuing explosive decompression - just to clarify, that's when the aircraft bursts just like a balloon that's been poked with a needle.
>>28349461
>tfw dragon dildo pilots
>>28349427
I would like to import some Vektor handguns from South Africa. From what I understand, the Z88 has been ATF approved but was sold in very limited numbers here.
>>28349493
Id rather someone import LM4 kits, I mean shit you could do an R5 build with a simple pinned hider.
>>28349461
>Possibly at the back, as it's fairly uncommon for a plane to reverse in to a mountain.
My sides has reached maximum altitude
>>28349493
>>28349493
Speaking of which, what are the export laws in ZA? I dont expect exact lines but is it permissive or germany tier?
>>28349514
I did some shooting with the South African Police Services on one of the trips. I burnt through about 1500 rounds in the R1 and R5.
https://youtu.be/MgRwSCyxryk
>>28349536
Yeah ive seen those, bet that was a lot of fun.
>>28349525
From the bit of digging I've done it's not a problem. South Africans regularly travel to Zimbabwe, Namibia, and some other south african countries. Competitive shooting there is hot.
>>28349555
Absolutely awesome. All it cost me was some patches and hats from my department. So, about $35 in stuff. One of the guys was a coin collector, so I took him one of those 50 state sets in a coin book. He freaked out.
>>28349405
thinking about joining the PA state police
any advice?
>>28349167
>How can I protect myself on a plane?
By crashing the plane with no survivors!
>>28349167
Become a federal leo so you can skip tsa and fly armed.
>>28349629
Good luck. 5000 people take the test, 100 get hired. Then if you do get hired, you'll end up working in Sullivan or Forest County hoping to hell that you catching someone running the one red light in town.
Spend the money, get act 120 certified. You easily get a part time job and it's much easier to get hired full time if you have 120. No one wants to hire you and pay you for 7 months while you're in the academy.
The total cost of the 120 program is like $5k. If it's what you want to do, get the 120.
>>28349667
Locals can fly armed too, You don't skip the TSA, there a whole different process for getting on the place and it involves a bunch of paper.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/law-enforcement
With seats being 19" wide, it sucks to carry and fly - you have to carry on body.
>>28349461
Pilot here, you can go to hell.
I agree with most of what you said, but you can still go to hell. The Captain and FO are the brains of every flight you take. When your flight encounters a tricky situation or something malfunctions on that computer with wings, those pink squishy things are the only thing standing in between you and a catastrophe.
>hurr durr planes can fly and land themselves
I'm gonna stop you right there. That's now how shit works.
>>28349167
Judo/ BJJ/ MMA.
A trained, athletic person can horribly dismantle another human being in a confined space about as well as an armed person.
>>28349772
I was about to basically say what you said. As long as your pilots aren't French (read: Air France 447 ) you should probably trust them.
>>28349705
Thanks for the reply.
I'll be finishing my B.S. next year and have always planned on going into law enforcement. I have 3 years in the NG and had hoped to be a better candidate for the academy.
I hadn't previously considered putting myself through act 120, but it's certainly something I'll look into more now.
>>28349731
I wasnt aware locals were allowed to do it too. I fly armed all the time and we just fill out some sheet at tsa and skip the checkpoint. The only restrictions are that we cant drink alcohol and we have to board first.
>>28349772
*not
Fuckin iPhone
>>28349772
Another pilot fag here.
>fly
Any math nerd can sit in a Cessna and adjust the autopilot dials to fly. Should have said takeoff and land. And if Airbus keeps it up, landings should become very simple soon.
>>28349360
youre full of shit
>>28349167
You're a sad, sad little man if you're too frightened to sit for a few minutes w/o a firearm.
>>28349867
Graduate your degree program and then get right into an act 120 program. What part of the state are you in? In the west, IUP has a good program, central had the HACC program, and in the east there a like half a dozen options.
>>28349167
>defenceless
If only literacy were a requirement...
>>28349872
It's common for extraditions. Nothing relaxes passengers like seeing a dude in shackles boarding the plane.
>>28349884
Wanna know how I know youre not a pilot?
>>28349360
That faggy youtube link is spam
>>28349918
>shit that didn't actually happen...
>>28349461
>However, you can't ignore the damage caused by a terrorist goading someone in to shooting them at 30,000' and the ensuing explosive decompression
>Hi, I am the retard who believes that the literal one square inch vent produced by a 9mm going through the fuselage will suck the entire passenger list out the window, because I have zero fucking idea of the forces actually involved.
This is you. Jesus I hope no one tells you about the vents that open in the fuselage during flight to manage pressure, you might get sucked through the floor.
To defend yourself on a plane you'll need some sort of explosive.
>>28349461
its also called pilot error when the pilots don't recognize if/ how the computers fail... other than manufacturer defect (which would be something structural failing) its always going to be classified as pilot error.
get fucked dumbass.
>>28349992
That link is relevant to our talk of the R5 rifle. Have you ever shot one of those?
>>28349983
Its funny to see people's reaction when putting a guy in a prisoner's uniform in a plane and then leaving.
>>28349884
There are restrictions on everything, including auto land procedures. My point is that the pilot is the director of everything going on with the aircraft, and does a lot more than just sit around.
>>28349990
Not him but yes I do
>>28349949
Currently at PSU but hoping to move back to the lehigh valley area after graduation
>>28350085
Allentown pd has an academy.
>>28349461
>95% of all air accidents are caused by the pink squishy thing between the yoke and the seat
I didn't know the dick does all the flying.
>>28349461
good luck getting an airplane to autoland with 30 kts crosswind, every day pilots do shit to keep you peasants from getting killed, you just never hear about it because its part of the job, and most pilots aren't over dramatic pussies.
>>28349772
>The Captain and FO are the brains of every flight you take
Also the thing that fucks up the most and kills the most people, just try not to pull an Air France flight 447 please. I'll be over here looking forward to the day when the pink squishy screw-ups are out of the cockpit.
>>28350163
>pink squishy
pls whats that
>>28350170
people
>>28349461
>pretends to be expert on planes
>thinks explosive decompression is real
>>28350163
using an airbus accident to support your argument for non-piloted planes is irony.
>>28350224
Well, it was the FO's fault. Air France might want to train pilots on what to do when the aircraft keeps telling you it's stalling. At least tell them a but more than "pull back to go up, opposite for down."
>>28350163
Humans make errors, machines fail. That's unfortunately the reality of it. I challenge you to find a safe form of transportation.
>>28350215
It is real. Cabin decompression that happens in <2 seconds. Greater than 2 seconds is considered "rapid decompression". Also, look up "time of useful consciousness", and therein lies the real danger of decompression.
>>28350299
>Air France flight 447
"One factor may be that since the A330 does not normally accept control inputs that would cause a stall, the pilots were unaware that a stall could happen when the aircraft switched to an alternate mode due to failure of the airspeed indication."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/aviation/crashes/what-really-happened-aboard-air-france-447-6611877
>>28349772
>This pilot asshurt
How does it feel knowing you will be made redundant in 10 years when flight is full automated?
>>28350313
It's not as bad though as people make it out to be. See - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243
>>28350313
machines fail far less often than humans make errors, all forms of transportation can be made safer by removing humans from the control loop
>>28350415
yes the pilots were unaware how their fucking plane worked and crashed a working aircraft into the ocean, we know
>>28350419
i will not fly in an airplane without a pilot. if.. when something fails, youre fucked
>>28350457
read please.
the aircraft was displaying false airspeed information, if the airplane were fully automated it would have made the same mistakes.
>>28350457
pilots fail far less often than machines.
youre just a faggot that watches too much tv and plays too many video games.
possibly butthurt because chicks go crazy for pilots. either way, go fuck yourself.
>>28350459
why wouldn't you fly on a plane that is made 68% safer?(according to causes of airline accidents in the 2000's, disregarding sabotage)
If something fails, it's safer for it to failover to another system rather than have a person there to fuck it up.
>>28350459
Computers, machines, can have redundancies. If the flight navigation computer crashes, another boots up and replaces it. If main hydraulic pump fails, there is like 3-4 others.
How about when one psychotic German copilot bludgeons his pilot and deliberately crashes into the alps?
A properly written computer program doesn't go insane and even if it does, it'll realize it's insane and transfer control.
Only humans kill other humans. Software can be shitty but it hardly ever kills anyone.
>>28349705
>>28349360
hey its roger writing from my HP chromebook (intel inside).
first of all let me just say it sounds like you were probably in the army so thank you for your service. and also for being a law enforcement officer let me just be very clear i support you and likely appreciate your more than you can imagine. thank you. my car is literally covered in those yellow ribbon magnets, seriously, i have like 40.
i read your post about stopping that indian (typical) criminal on the plane and had just one thought: "this guy is HARDCORE (/allcaps)." i mean you took that plane over and they upgraded you to first class, literally just dripping out of their pussies but they couldn't do anything because obviously your wife was the hottest woman on the plane. dont even get me started on how much you make her *cum* probably i assume.
anyway i was not surprised when you identified yourself as a state trooper from one of the coolest states pennsylvania. i mean i did the math and you are the best out of every 500 people that applied because only 100 out of 5000 that apply get in which is a real statistic that is not disprovable by a search using yahoo google excite (you get the idea). and those were probably all badasses but not like you, i doubt they can say HOO AH with any authority. anyway i just wanted to thank you for your service and tell you that if i ever fly i will buy you a ticket to be next to me and "hold it down" as "they" say and also we can sing along to the excellent song "drunk on a plane". thank you for your service. thanks
>>28350518
if you have a computer fail, its still the responsibility of the pilot to recognize and fix it, thats why its still considered pilot error, and why your statistics don't support your claim.
>>28350508
>pilots fail far less often than machines
Explain the 58 fatal crashes in the 2000's caused by human error vs the 37 caused by other (including weather). Pilots are the weakest link on an aircraft, germanwings 9525 is a pretty good example. At this point you're saying flight safety statistics are wrong and you're right because...?
>>28350546
That there was some really funny shit. Solid funny shit!
>still the responsibility of the pilot
Exactly, how many lives are lost because the pilot doesn't know his shit or panics?
>>28350419
Lol ok
>>28350448
It isn't always, but it can be disastrous
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522
>>28350518
I'd never get on a plane without a pilot.
>>28350457
Machines lack the ability to adjust for a situation it isn't programmed to handle
>>28350531
the german guy would not have been allowed to fly for a US carrier given his history.
shitty argument, all machines fail always.
>>28350591
>I'd never get on a plane without a pilot
ok grandpa
>>28350613
Sure the sheet-metal pile of shit the pilot flies is reliable but the pilot even less so.
A machine can control a machine better than a person can, if performance and reliability matter most importantly, it's dumb to put a human in charge of a machine carrying 300 other humans in a fucking missile 11 kilometers in the air.
All the icbms are perfectly accurate and reliable and they needed to be and they are guided by analogue computers.
people who aren't pilots or don't know what emergency situations are like will advocate for automation
there are too many ways for data to be misrepresented and automated systems to fail to make them the primary means of air travel
>>28350588
>doesn't know his shit or panics
almost every avoidable crash is due to this
but this doesn't mean an automated system would succeed in the same instance
take away a computers ability to measure airspeed or attitude and see how well it copes
you could make an argument to having a computer do the flying and have it do a safe return to an airport's airspace and then have a qualified pilot make an emergency landing via remote control
(but this introduces all sorts of security problems)
how about we automate 18-wheeler deliveries first and then tackle the whole aircraft thing next
>>28350591
Huh. Never noticed that one, thanks
>>28349731
Did you read your own link? Locals can't carry just for the shit of it. They are required to have a specific need to have it with them on the flight, like they are transporting a prisoner.
>>28350546
Oh,PSP is just one of a half dozen statewide LE agencies in PA.
>>28350692
ICBM's only need to be guided for a few minutes
and only ever fly for ~45minutes -ONCE-
also ballistic is the key word in that acronym
if you asked that same system to guide something reliably for thousands of hours and make safe landings every time it would take quite a bit more than some "analogue computers"
>>28350734
I did read my own link and where did I say locals can carry for the shit of it?
Don't be an angry little man.
>>28350570
im saying that youre misinterpreting statistics.
the germanwings accident is a terrible example because its a completely isolated issue.
just don't fly on any airline but one from the US, foreign carriers make shit pilots.
>>28350761
Just saying. Those guidance systems are ultra reliable, very accurate, designed against tremendous violence of 'ballistic' conditions and were perfected in the fuckin 1960's. I don't mean to suggest ICBM guidance computers should pilot 747s, that'd be pretty hilarious, but no.
Oh, shitty computers are no good to fly some shit Airbus from Detriot to fuckin Buffalo, but it's okay to defend the entire nation and the free world with computers designed in the 60's.
It's silly to think a modern computer would do a worse job of shuttling around a gutless passenger plane than some sleep deprived Xanax-popping baby-boomer pilot who uses nothing but the auto-pilot anyways.
Just let the auto-pilot fly the plane.
>>28350734
Don't blame other people for your assumptions and creative imagination when reading.
>>28350845
computers can only respond to things they're programmed to respond to. This is the reason why you need a human. Preferably a competent and well trained human.
>>28350845
>Just let the auto-pilot fly the plane.
thats just the thing, the auto-pilot can fly the plane just fine
remarkably so
but get some ice buildup or some prolonged turbulence or maybe a small leak in a vacuum line and the autopilot fails
but it's not like it just automatically nose-dives the aircraft
it just gets a little "off" in one way or another
the problem comes from this imprecise error that grows under unknowable circumstances
a pilot with the most basic training can identify and counteract these problems
>>28349264
Take a breath, let it out, and then repeat your post back to yourself out loud. Then take another breath. Keep holding it. Don't stop holding it. Just stop breathing. Do us all a favor.
why are people so eager to automate aircraft when we haven't figured out cars or even goddamn trains yet?
how about we auto-freight-trains perfected, then maybe taxi cabs in cities
then maybe greyhound buses
then the 747's and airbus's
>>28350531
>cherry picking: the post
>>28350845
>just let autopilot fly the plane
Just like the ICBM program, they have humans to check for system issues and anomalies, and for controlling the operation of said machines. The computers physically control and monitor parameters of the machines, but the pilot/operator controls the computers and what they do. These systems aren't fail safe, but having both a human and a computer working together makes for a pretty damn good operation.
>>28350969
>>28350967
Today's auto pilots are designed to work 'with' a human pilot so obviously they don't function that great in unusual circumstances without them.
It's not that huge of a leap to staple some extra sensors to the plane, a more extensively programmed computer and an option for remote piloting if the plane is totally fucked.
People already rely on computers for their lives if they realize it or not. A well programmed computer flying a plane cannot possibly fuck up as badly as human pilots traditionally do.
>>28350018
It will NOT suck the entire passanger compartment outside out, however, it will be 100% likely to do such damage to the structural integrity that the plane will be unable to fly anymore, making those that are not thrown outside, and are able to have some way to breath until they die, a slow death caused by crashing into the terrain
>What's the best protocol if you are involved in a hijacking?
Stand still and wait for a miracle unless you know wtf you're doing. You're asking so you don't. Wait for a miracle.
>What if the plane makes a steep uncontrolled decent in a possible pilot suicide (Germanwings flight 9525)?
You're lucky because there's a good chance you won't feel a thing when it hits the ground.
>Where's the best place to sit?
There's no general rule. Depends on what kind of accident you're in. In general, structure right after or right before the wings is stronger, but you risk burning alive once the fuel burns up. (happened in more than one case, can't google now as I'm in a hurry, but there was a crash landing and most deaths were from intoxication and fire from the ruptured wing tanks.)
>>28350018
Also fun fact: in an event of a complete loss of oxygen at height, you have about one minute of coherent thinking before your brain cuts the light out. You'll be awake for more than that, but not making conscious decisions.
This is why safety procedures always stress to FIRST get the mask for yourself, then for your kids. You don't realize it, when you're out of oxygen and you realize its too late, you're already gone.
>>28351083
A&P here. None of that is true. It will cause a problem, most likely a minor one. The way cabins are pressurized is by bleeding air off of the engines and pumping it into the cabin. There are vents behind the cabin that allow air to exit. This also establishes constant airflow through the cabin. If the cabin was leaking pressure, the vents would simply allow less air to exit, until pressure was where it should be. If the cabin altitude gets above a set limit, the oxygen masks drop and everybody breathes from those.
>>28351050
>"A well programmed computer flying a plane cannot possibly fuck up as badly as human pilots traditionally do."
at this point all i can say is that you simply don't know enough about aviation to make this claim,
>>28351238
Sure buddy! Screw most of the science experiments out there! You must be right!
>>28349461
>Next to the emergency exit. Possibly at the back, as it's fairly uncommon for a plane to reverse in to a mountain.
If your plane hits a mountain you're dead.
If your plane attempts an emergency landing, the rear of the plane is the perfect candidate for breaking up on impact, or pooling with fuel and becoming a nice cozy oven, or asphyxiation chamber due to the smoke.
I'd go for fore the wings, it's still a shit chance in hell, but at least I won't die in a fire.
>>28351282
He is right. There have been accidents with entire sections of the fuselage ripped off where the plane safely landed.
Yes some people have been ripped off by the quick change in pressure, but it's a temporary setback and one that gets fixed by the pilots quickly losing altitude. (If they don't, the plane breaks up in flight if it has sustained enough damage, soooo... you're dead.)
About oxygen, each mask has a small reserve. They're there exactly to let the pilots descend to a safe altitude without starving everyone in the back.
>>28351325
I am not talking about having a small hole in the fuselage. I am talking about having a 30 cm hole. The bigger the hole, the more violent and faster the decompression. Sure, he is "right" that there is a chance that a plane flying at 30k feets can have a small breach and land, but if a sandnigger goes with a small grenade or a gun and mag and shoots a few rounds into the window i wouldn't be surprised if the plane suffer a similar fate to what decompression does in a spaceship.
>>28351282
Exactly which part of my post hurt your feelings? You can look up everything I just said. Believe what you wish.
Also, as far as decompression of the cabin or a 9mm hole causing the entire plane to become impossible to fly, I actually laughed out loud. Planes have had huge sections of their cabin ripped off and still landed safely. Doors have fallen off. Windows have blown out. Seriously, spend twenty minutes on Google.
>>28351385
Nope. Like I said, you can lose a monumental amount of structure and keep flying. There was one event where an engine grenaded and severed all of the hydraulic lines, the pilots had no control over the rudder, flaps, ailerons, nothing. No gear, no anything. The only thing they could do was throttle the remaining engines up and down. They used that to bring the plane to a somewhat controlled landing, at an actual airport. Granted, a lot of people still died, but it could have been worse.
Also, you can lose a tiny amount of integrity and break up in flight. It's kind of a crap shoot.
>>28351385
>shoots a few rounds into the window
decompression, lack of oxygen
but no-one is getting sucked out a goddamn window
>grenade
most of coach would probably die and there would probably be a hole in the fuselage, this scenario is far more variable due to explosive power/cabin size/location of explosion
more than likely the aircraft would be able to land, but there is a large chance of structural damage
>decompression does in a spaceship
not really possible in a passenger aircraft
the pressure differential is far less than you are assuming
absolute MAX pressure differential is only around 8psi
>>28351083
>I am a retard that watches too many movies: The Post
This must be b8. I refuse to accept that someone this retarded exists.
>>28351385
>I am not talking about having a small hole in the fuselage. I am talking about having a 30 cm hole.
As I said, there have been cases like that. Either the plane keeps flying, some shit directly next to the hole falls out and that's that, or the damage and shock of decompression are too much for the airframe and it all breaks up.
There is no hollywood vortice thing.
>>28351505
Look into a mirror and get proven wrong
>>28349167
ITT: terrorist group agents
Pad lock + Socks = ????
>>28351177
>Also fun fact: in an event of a complete loss of oxygen at height, you have about one minute of coherent thinking before your brain cuts the light out. You'll be awake for more than that, but not making conscious decisions
What height? How is this a FACT when you have no quantitative numbers?
Watch this youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqWal_EmBg
This Pilot was only able to maintain awareness because he was a smoker. Smokers are less affected by the effects of hypoxia than non-smokers.
This was at FL320. Never fly without oxygen above FL10.
>>28352851
Fuck, I mean FL100.
>mfw never flying above 1000ft. >_>
Also, there are a SHITLOAD of pilots that browse /k/ who knew?
>>28349461
>this might not happen so never prepare yourself for it
ok
>>28349167
I still thin It'd be pretty dumb to shoot a gun in an airplane anyway, the noise would deafen you and even with a suppressor you still have the risk of breaching the hull or hitting someone else if there's several hundred people onboard.
>>28352851
Regulation is FL 125, but use sense for the altitude you live at. I live at about 6,200 feet, so 16,000 is about where noticeable (not necessarily disabling) hypoxia begins. Not that I've ever broke regulation to test it. I love the FAA.
>>28353330
I've felt the effects (mainly cyanosis) at about 15,700' in a glider
>>28352887
Eh, in Arizona I usually do XC VFR flights at 10500 or 11500 with no oxygen, never had an issue.
>>28352851
There is a good and bad to that:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9293349/
>>28350979
You don't science so good do you?
