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It's pretty much inevitable that Canada is going to be invaded for its resources at some point.
How could Canada survive a war against the United States? Or China or Russia if the US is taken out of the game somehow?
>I want a realistic answer, but with removing x key factors from reality
>>28343509
Are you mental? He asked for multiple playouts. Not to discard reality. Stop being so stupid.
I'm not armchair general enough to answer your question OP.
Demon Road
Canada could be peacefully occupied and probably would surrender their sovereignty in exchange for fair treatment. That is what they get for having a bunch of pussies in their government, and no military.
>>28343490
The most likely scenario of a Canada takeover is something like what happened in hawaii or california. Infiltrate for economic reasons and then ask to be annexed by the USA.
Militarily Canada would have no hope in a war against any major power, but would do better against Russia or China due to geography making full scale invasion impractical. Now, against the states they're fucked on that front too because the bulk of their populace is within 100km of the USA and the american military has the best logistical capabilities of any in the world.
Isn't Canada a part of the commonwealth?
Aren't, like 2 billion people in the commonwealth?
>>28343561
Commonwealth doesn't come with a military alliance.
>>28343490
>How could Canada survive a war against the United States? Or China or Russia if the US is taken out of the game somehow?
We wouldn't. The only way we could possibly stand against them is if we had ICBMs aimed at NY, Moscow, or Beijing, but Canada is against nuclear proliferation so in the case of a conventional invasion, we're fucked.
keep your niggers away from my sudbury america
we have enough retarded natives here already
>>28346222
Commonwealth doesn't come with anything.
What does it even do?
The organization will probably collapse before the turn of the century.
>>28343490
Nope y'all fucked. Hey being an American state will at least mean you can have funs after you peacefully surrender.
>>28343490
>How could Canada survive a war against the United States?
They go full Finland and access earth's developer console, kill the shit out of the opposing military, then sacrifice some land so the larger power will give up and go home.
It's not realistic, but neither was Finland in the winter war.
>>28347065
It's just a pointless bureaucratic exercise and waste of money (though thankfully delegates only meet like once a year and it does't cost too much), and it does effectively nothing. The most notable achievement is the organization of the Commonwealth Games.
>>28343526
A lot of us wouldn't actually mind too much. And you're right. Our military is close to nonexistent. In a decade or so Trudeau might even try to demilitarize us.
Just annex us already.
>>28347386
We'll try
~Russia
>>28347386
No we can't afford a 2nd California bigger then the continental USA.
We need to work on beefing our natural population first so we aren't as reliant on immigrants.
Then once we stabilize our demographics to better then 1950 status *cough* 90%ish white with 4-5% population growth *cough* then we can begin populating a lot of Canada's underutilized territory.
>>28347386
that would help my ocd about Alaska not being connected to the US mainland.
>>28347399
Spasibo
>>28347491
Well then Trump is our only hope
>>28347399
Russia be careful.
We might 'buy' more of your territory courtesy of our merchant friends.
Just like your former friend Ukraine, who is now a shill for us.
>>28347528
Hawaii must be fun then huh
>>28347535
RUSSIA STRONK
>>28347562
Really, the only way I see us getting Canada (or even just Alaska) is the Western world collapsing magically (without fucking us over at the same time), and us going with satellite states again.
>>28343490
You can't, all syrupy dissidents will surrender of face execution. Can't let China keep our oil.
>>28343490
Canada is already being invaded by muslims for its 'resources' you nitwit.
>>28347564
It's not as bad as the Alaska gap(Canada) for some reason. It's really its own thing to me, but it would just feel so right if Canada was actually part of the United States.
>>28343490
you dont understand
it doesnt work this way
nobody will ever penetrate Americas Top
America might try to maneuver into the position of being a PowerBottom and thus attain the natural resources without the use of force however
other than that, nobody has a right to touch Americas Top.
>>28347584
Huh.
Oh I was referring to when Russia sold us Americans Alaska. Back when we liked each other.
Russia would be a great addition to The United States, President Putin would literally unfuck us both and we would litterally annex Crimea style all of Eurasia and the Americas.
>tfw no Russo-European-American alliance removing ayy lmao kebabs from our Solar colonies.
>>28347600
25000 immigrants. Yeah, that's a real big invasion for the second largest nation on earth.
Man, Canada looks so comfy
t. Finland
>>28348048
>Land area equates to population numbers because I'm a retard!
>>28347684
You fucking Americans are so entitled despite the fact you haven't won a military campaign in over 50 years. I can't wait until China comes in to collect.
>>28348066
This, seperated from Russia by large body of water.
>>28348084
35 million people in Canada. We have room to spare.
>>28348085
But China coming to collect will just lead to annexing Canada.
>>28348085
.50 cents have been deposited into your account
>>28348108
You'd have no chance to occupy our territory, we're too vast. Guerilla warfare would be a certainty which would exhaust your already exhausted resources. If you couldn't beat an army in the poorest nation on earth (Afghanistan) which is an 8th the size of Canada, how do you expect to beat a military which invests completely in the individual quality of its soldiers? The Canadian military is no joke despite the good old amerifat opinion that having 'smarter bombs' is gonna win a serious conflict.
>>28348175
Quebec plz.
>>28348198
Nova Scotia actually.
>>28348085
Collect what? The seven percent of our foreign debt that they hold?
>>28348175
The people in Canada do not have a long history/tradition of warfare
Almost all of our population is concentrated into a few easily controlled areas anyways.
A third of the country is foreigners/indians who wouldn't put up a fight.
>>28348175
Honestly, and no disrespect to our bros to the South, but invading Canada would fucking suck for all involved. There are many, myself included, who would take up arms. Subduing an enemy consisting of uneducated, dirt farmers proved very difficult. Now imagine a geurilla force that is almost completely ethnically and liguistically identical to the soldiers serving in your army. Compound that with very harsh winters that we're used to, and vast swaths of forests to be patrolled. Like I said, not fun.
>>28348221
Americans are indebted to China at 1.2 trillion, which is larger than domestic debt. They own you.
>>28348175
Hey dipshit.
We never sent millions of colonists to Afghanistan to utterly take it over and turn it into American clay.
We've done that successfully with ALL of our neighbors (yes even you brit loyalists who were kicked up there in the first place)
Don't believe us, ask the mexicans, spanish, french, cubans, british, and whatever's left of the Indians.
And since the ONLY TWO reasons y'all fought us off in 1812 and other smaller invasions admittedly were Canadian gun owners and the British Empire are now GONE, there's nothing stopping us now. Blame yourselves for letting liberals and dudeweed take over and already weaken your nation with barely integrated and even more liberal minorities.
>>28348262
>1.2 trillion
>larger than our domestic debt
Look at this retard, look at him and laugh.
>>28343543
>Now, against the states they're fucked on that front too because the bulk of their populace is within 100km of the USA
And that's not a huge threat to the US?
>>28348240
Yes we do. We served in both world wars long before your lazy asses got involved, as well as a vast number of micro conflicts such as Bosnia and what have you. Canada has possessed as reputable and competent military such its inception. Anyone who believes otherwise went through American public school.
>>28348265
You're claiming that because of the civil war you have the strength to take us over. Who's the real dipshit?
>>28343561
75% of those 2 billion are Indians who wouldn't give a shit
>>28348330
>You're claiming that because of the civil war you have the strength to take us over. Who's the real dipshit?
Apparently you since you can't read.
You have an insufficient sized military compared to the largest, most warmongering military on the planet, you already operate under partial American control and your core territories are within striking range of major American military bases and airbases.
And you've almost disarmed your rural populations with your asinine gun control and your liberal populations are bonafide pushovers already weakened by a socialist, centralized government which would be easy to decapitate.
And don't give us that crap about the first nation indians putting up a fight neither. We Americans are really good at killing indians and then making them rich, in that order.
>>28348487
For the "most warmongering military" you sure haven't won any conflicts in awhile. I still laugh when I remember Bush saying "we won" after the siege of Baghdad. Disarmed rural population? We on average have a gun in every household so where the hell did you get that one? Our socialist government takes care of our citizens and you believe that's a weakness? Have fun with your dysfunctional, mentally ill population running around shooting each other. Also, please cite this apparent partial control America has over us, because I'm calling total bullshit.
Since I live kinda close to Canada, well for me cause I'd get to shoot the runners
>>28348577
It's funny because you cannot name a war in the last century Burgers have lost militarily, even things like Vietnam happened after a peace treaty was signed and they left.
>>28348577
New to this thread
Come on, really. The US would steam roll Canada, nothing personal, I think Canada is awesome and we'll realistically never go to war with each other. The US simply just has better, more capable, and substantially larger military. I mean the national guard from 4 or 5 of our larger states is as large as the entire active canadian armed forces.
>>28348652
>considers Vietnam an American victory
I am now 100% sure you're just baiting. And probably also a Republican.
>>28348683
Your lack of refutation is telling.
>>28348577
>I still laugh when I remember Bush saying "we won" after the siege of Baghdad.
He said 'mission accomplished' on an aircraft carrier that just returned from its station. That got mangled by the libtard media.
Not defending Shrub. Just insisting on having an institutional memory longer than last month. Also, 80% of your GDP is dependent on selling us raw materials and 905+ of your population lives within a couple hundred miles of the border for easy shopping access. Economically and demographically, you are nothing more than an appendage. Sorry.
>>28347213
>the Finnish fighting spirit
>alive in syrupland
yeah, nah. And the US army isn't nearly as incompetent as the soviets at that time
>>28348710
>mission accomplished
Wasn't that also not even his idea?
>>28348665
The thing is, there would be no reason to, our relationship is mutually beneficial.
It would only happen if Canada decided it wanted to be part of a North American Union.
>>28348652
Vietnam was a loss, accept it.
Iraq
Afghanistan
Bay of pigs.
There you go.
>>28348665
Implying average Canadians wouldn't take up arms. America is crippled as a nation. There society is disjointed and also would not support an invasion of Canada. It would be like the hippies against the Vietnam war. Alternatively, Canada is our home, we would die before those fat, poorly trained retards could take our nation.
>>28348710
Our resources can sustain us. The moment we cut off water to America, your country starves. America's no more than a tumour, sorry.
>>28348755
Lol. Not even that guy but seriously? Water dependency? You must be a fucking physicist to use that logic pal.
>>28343490
>US
>out of the game
this is what canacucks actually think
If US loses, everyone loses
its that simple
>>28348768
Canada's just been trying to compete with Australia for the shitposting crown lately. In this case it's not really working because Aussies don't usually come off as incredibly butthurt.
>>28348768
Look at the major agricultural crops that depend on imported water. Your system is artificial by nature and requires these kinds of resources. Canada would get along just fine without America, it'd just be less comfortable.
>>28348755
you can't eat water, you drink it, so how could we starve?
also we have electrolytes, so eff youze syrup suckers.
>>28348734
>Implying average Canadians wouldn't take up arms.
aren't average Canadians nogunz liberal faggots?
>>28348665
This guy is correct
dude, if we (us) go to war on canada I will go full retard with anti us action. Canada is bro tier and I enact the laws of bro-code to justify my actions.
bro-code > gods law > mans law
>>28348734
I think you under estimate the US, I mean under the right circumstances americans can and will put aside social issues to focus on fighting a common enemy. I mean look how united the country was after 9/11, everyone wanted blood, even the hippies for briefly haha. Anyway, US isn't on the verge of collapse, this country is going to keep chugging for a looong time for good or ill.
>>28348791
Look up the Colorado river pal. You're talking to a farmer in the southwest aka America's agricultural center.
>>28348801
You really know nothing about Canadian firearms laws.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1354803/fact-checking-michael-moore-does-canada-have-more-guns-per-capita-than-the-us/
I have four guns in my household.
>>28348817
I think you guys over estimate yourselves, it's been a staple of Americanism forever.
>>28348819
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-colorado-river-runs-dry-61427169/?no-ist
>>28348734
>implying we lost the IRQ/AFG war
Ya, those countries are not decimated. "but we didn't achieve x goal" - who fucking cares, they are unrecognizable compared to 15 years ago.
>America is crippled
lolok, we have 10 years of vets with combat experience on lay away.
>society is disjointed
ya, because that effects the military arm of america in any way. They pretty much do what they want with few considerations.
>fat, poorly trained retards
This is where I assume you are a troll
lets pretend for a second we do have a fat poorly trained military. We outnumber you so greatly we can literally drown your military in bodies.
all this being said see >>28348804. I love Canada, but lets not be delusional.
>>28348827
I own six guns, but there are still shit loads of people in both of our countries who don't own/have never used a gun and think they're evil
>>28348791
The key flaw there is you're assuming you could hold that resource for any meaningful length of time. The US would completely cripple or capture almost all your strategic resources and infrastructure in the opening weeks or evens days of any armed conflict. The canadian air force would get swept the skies in a few days, then we'd literally the figuratively rain on your parade.
>>28348734
No one is claiming Vietnam wasn't a loss, you simply refuse to acknowledge what happened.
Iraq2 and Afghanistan are victories, it's hilarious you even try to argue this.
>Bay of pigs
>American military
You might want to take your own advice about accepting it.
>>28348854
You were speaking of a present day water dependency. All you've shown me is a future reason to take syrup land.
>>28348896
There is no water dependency, all water exports from Canada into the US is currently small scale in the form of bottled water.
>>28348861
Who cares we didn't win? Wut?
10 years of homeless vets with untreated PTSD?
You need societal support and resources (people) to meaningfully continue a conflict.
>>28348866
We have plentiful resources stretched far and wide across our nation, it's inconceivable that America could hold these areas without stretching its military to the point of ineffectiveness. You need to hold territory to win a war. We have too much territory. Shock and awe tactics will not get you Canada.
>>28348921
>"Bottled water."
>>28343561
just because you heard the term Commonwealth in fallout four doesn't mean that everyone in the real thing packs a laser musket or whatever its called, its not a military alliance.
>>28348929
>"greentext quote."
>>28348921
The same logic applies to Canada then, Canada wouldn't have the manpower for to adequately defend its own resources. The ones that wouldn't nbr captured would simply be bombed, and rebuilt later down the road once the conflict was over.
>>28348291
No, the US populace is much larger, much wider spread, and much better armed.
Also, Canadians would likely not invade the US, as that's a logistical nightmare.
>>28348971
All we'd have to do is continue to pick off your armed forces until your collective nation decides the conflict is futile.
>>28348982
His point is that our population distribution makes it difficult for you to waltz over the border.
>>28348971
Wrong post m8?
>>28348998
Dude come the fuck off it. I'm Canadian but your just making us look like retards. Canada wouldn't, and couldn't, beat the United states. We couldn't bother them without reducing our standard of living to below third world, which our people aren't willing to.
>gee, lets ignore global economics and pretend that major countries that have been trade partners and military allies forever will have a large scale military conflict over things that they're currently both mutually benefiting off of.
>>28349017
We don't have to beat them. We just have to keep them out. I'm ashamed you'd submit to America if they decided they fucked up their country enough to attack their neighbour and try and rob us of our resources.
this whole thread sounds like two drunken brothers arguing about who'd win in a fight
>>28343490
> the current year
> doing something so barbaric
cmon guys its almost the next current year.
Sure they can try, again.
>>28349059
lol
>>28349002
Yup, my bad.
>>28348998
wishful thinking. If we ever invaded canada I can only assume the end goal would be the annexation of canada, which would not be stopped by lone snipers and guerrilla fighters. Now realistically if the US was to annex canada I could see the whole thing going down without any bloodshed, it probably a north american union type thing which would get passed after some sort event or some major catalyst that would make the populations of both countries support it.
>>28349017
>>28349054
Jesus Christ, most Americans that want to go to Canada just want weed or pharmaceuticals...
Yea the American military probably has updated plans for the invasion of Canada, but that's ~probably nothing to worry about.. I'd bet money they have plans to invade Antarctica, too. Just in case.
>>28348341
THIS
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>>28349058
>this
>>28349071
Why do Canadians always try to take credit for that?
>>28349054
Your a fucking idiot if you think we could keep them out.
I'm not making any more posts, but hyper nationalist retards like you you who shit on the states for no reason are retarded.
We're allies, always will be, have no reason to dislike each other, but if we did go to war canada would get fucked.
>>28343490
>America
>Invading for resources it already gets
>>28349071
The Brits burned the Whitehouse and beat back a couple American attacks so that means modern Canada can fight.
We weren't even a nation when this happened
>>28349089
"Without any bloodshed"
Most Canadians are not the pushovers you make us out to be, just look at any instance of someone trying to take away someone else's homeland. We don't want your fucked up, capitalist, racist doctrine. And I'm not talking about lone fighters, I'm talking about a population volunteering to fight, receiving high quality training and equipment, and hitting American forces hard.
>>28349116
Your statement gives me reason enough to shit on your country.
>>28349152
Is your name Todd? Because you talk like a retarded Canadian guy named Todd.
>>28349152
Sounds like your maple trees are all tapped out 'eh?
>>28349177
Who dat?
>>28349207
I'm just mad cause America annexed Timmy's.
>>28349152
You wouldn't hit anything hard, you'd destroyed en masse by our air power. I gotta admit, I admire your resolve, but its getting a bit comical at this point.
>>28349251
Because air strikes defeated the Taliban.
>>28349207
I think at this point he's just trolling us, probably not even canadian.
>>28349278
I really do believe America couldn't take Canada.
>>28349058
That's because this is literally what it is.
>>28349265
Two very different conflicts, the canadians are a bunch of religion zealots waiting to die for allah. And even still, i mean we kill what 20 or 30 of them for every american solider killed, it wouldn't be sustainable. Not to mention half of those fighters are coming in from other countries and are not even from aghanistan, canada wouldnt have foreign fighter pouring into its country willing to take up arms and fight a jihad lol. Even if foreigners wanted to come fight they have to reach canada first, kinda hard to do with the US controlling your air space and the oceans.
>>28349328
aren't**
>>28349152
>We don't want your fucked up, capitalist, racist doctrine
I bet you voted for le weed man, didn't you, lad?
>>28349177
No that's Scott, he's a dick.
>>28348577
You don't really want an American Vietnam style 'loss' either.
That would entail about a third of your population dead and half your country's entire territory burned to the ground. Oh and you eventually sucking our dick to have us put factories and mcdonalds in your country to 'rebuild'.
>>28349054
>keep them out with guerilla warfare.
That's not how it works, and normally said warfare only works if you aren't next to one the world's largest and porous borders.
Americans would literally colonize and outbreed Canadians who would be in reeducation camps to be turned into Americans. Which is a lot easier since they barely HAVE a culture to erase and no racial identity.
>>28349328
We don't need foreign fighters to hold on to our nation. You want to talk about unsustainable? How about occupying the second largest country on earth?
>>28349384
Of course he did. After all, it is the present year.
>>28349420
Still waiting for that citation.
>>28349460
Implying the average American solider or citizen would approve of a holocaust.
>>28349473
IT'S 2015!
>>28343490
it would likely be a non north american nation
mainly because there'd be no reason for canada to ever not openly trade with the usa. The USA really wouldn't be well served by invading one of the largest sovereign states in the world that it maintains extremely close political and economical ties to. The cost to reward ratio of extracting resources from a nation that half of the year is a frozen shithole ( and the only time of year most of the nations untapped resources are accessible by land) and in the summer most of the rich areas are fucking swamp or flooding, while also repressing a moderate population that likely would be sporadically resistant enough to drain the morale of occupying soldiers (remember having to gun down white anglos is much harder to swallow than hadjis), and also the little mentioned proximity to american soil and the massive un-walled border would mean the canadian resistance is as likely to conduct terror attacks south of the border as well as within it's own
Any foreign invader would likely face combined american and canadian military forces, and failing that a usa backed insurgency of moderate effectiveness canada doesn't have a rich history of violent resistance but it's never been in a situation where that's needed to happen, but as a nation canada seems to do pretty good when it comes to war when the time comes so who knows.
>>28349473
Nice out of context quote, I hope you realize this was a response to a proposed right wing snitch hotline designed to bolster racism in Canada by the conservatives.
>>28348734
>we would die before those fat, poorly trained retards could take our nation.
RIP then, enjoy your final moments being a view of Toronto burning.
>>28349524
Implying Canadians give a fuck about Toronto.
>>28349495
>Civilian deaths caused by both sides amounted to a significant percentage of total deaths, perhaps from 30 to nearly 50 percent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties
Sources on the bottom
Also:
>approve of a holocaust.
Funny cause I don't see no indians around here.
>>28349524
>RIP
Rest in Poutin
>>28349549
Citation on this so called control America has over Canada.
As far as Vietnam goes:
YOU LOST THE WAR. VIETNAM IS INDEPENDENT OF YOU
>>28349542
Vancouver, Montreal, Quebec, Ottawa, whatever. That's not the point.
>>28349549
So your education is so bad the American people would exterminate First Nations people all over again? Way to learn from history.
>>28349613
Why the fuck would we want Vietnam dependent on us?
>>28349624
Implying that control over cities wins the conflict. "The American people have captured Baghdad"
(applause ensues)
>>28349649
You wanted control over Vietnam, they sent you packing.
>>28349613
Nigga its called NORAD.
And I know America 'lost' I'm just telling you the price you'd have to pay. Hope you enjoy your Agent Orange and half your family dead while working in an American's sweatshop. All for some bragging rights about how you 'won' and only killed maybe 50k americans tops, while losing a million soldiers and half your civilians dead.
I'm sure those bragging rights and the tens of millions of American families living in a 'disputed zone' was sure worth it too ;^)
Your rage is hilarious. Please, I hope we LOSE that way.
And the best part is, whenever our liberals run from war or espose antiwar pacifist shit....they run TO Canada.
2 birds 1 stone. Hehehe
>>28349634
You gave them a fucking huge ass territory.
Fuck them snow injuns.
>>28349675
I believe the objective was to stop communism, not take over Vietnam, but you are right we didn't complete our objective.
>>28349466
So we control every single city and town along with 95% of the population and drive a small minority who take up arms into the wilderness were they're either bombed/raided by our SOF units into submission, or you slowly succumb the elements. The war would for all intents and purposes be over before the resistance got off the ground, not there wouldn't be a resistance, it's just the bulk of our military objectives would be achieved in the opening weeks of the war.
>>28349702
Well done. You left a mess for no good reason and your people recognize that your neighbour is more sane. "Another American victory"
>Majority of population close to US border
>Population increasingly leftist self-deconstructionists
>Gun culture basically nonexistent for the vast majority
>Navy rusting in port, can't even patrol it's own borders
>Air force the size of a carrier air wing consisting of aging Hornets
>Entire Canadian armed forces smaller than the National Guard
Canadians actually think they'd stop an American invasion? Fucking hell.
>W-We'd go innawoods!1!1
Sure thing, bud.
>>28349702
>And the best part is, whenever our liberals run from war or espose antiwar pacifist shit....they run TO Canada.
>2 birds 1 stone. Hehehe
Someone have that Chinese nuking America comic? How apt.
>>28349742
>And I know America 'lost' I'm just telling you the price you'd have to pay. Hope you enjoy your Agent Orange and half your family dead while working in an American's sweatshop. All for some bragging rights about how you 'won' and only killed maybe 50k americans tops, while losing a million soldiers and half your civilians dead.
We don't think the Viets are more sane, this is how we view them and what their reality is. Hell, I have shitty t shirts made in vietnam right now.
>>28348066
Love you too.
t. Canada
>>28349675
That is a weird way to say North Vietnam surrendered by signing the Paris Peace Accord.
>>28349740
"The bulk of our military objectives would be achieved in the opening weeks of the war." Sounds like literally every failed attempt at an American campaign in recent memory.
>>28349813
Your country would pay the price for such an attack. You don't think Canada has allies?
>>28349827
They maintained their sovereignty, sounds like a victory to me.
>>28349873
America?
>>28349774
As if the military wouldn't grow exponentially as average citizens sign up. It's like you don't know how war works.
>>28349106
>Why do Canadians always take credit for doing what they did?
gee i wonder...
>>28349657
The US doesn't need to win the fucking hearts and minds of your people, or even "win" the conflict. All they have to do is keep you occupied. Your resources would be stripped from your land by corporations and military units that have a long, successful career of doing so over much longer distances from home with far less access to resources. Your people would be forced into oppression if they didn't cooperate. They would probably be put into internment camps like the Japanese during WWII.
What you somehow fail to understand is that if the US is desperate enough for resources to invade their closest ally, you're fucked. We wouldn't give a fuck about you or your people, we would be selfish and strip your land bare.
You, personally, might not lose. You might even pop a few GI's with your durr rifle from up in the hills. But while you're innawoods, your country's military would be destroyed, your fellow citizens would be killed and oppressed, and your land completely reaped and harvested.
And there's nothing you could do about it.
>>28349902
Britain, France, Germany, Japan, etc.
>>28349945
>British troops from Europe are Canadians
okay
Oh, it's this thread again.
Might as well restate the consensus that's been reached the last several times we've had this thread.
Against China or Russia, the Canadian Forces do a good job of holding them off until America enters the fight and destroys the invasion force.
Against the US, Canada falls quickly and easily. But, this is then followed by a really brutal insurgency. Particularly notable is the fact that the US mainland is vulnerable to attack by Canadian insurgents.
>>28349873
None that would be willing to go toe-to-toe with the strongest military on Earth. What are they going to do, invade us? What ally of Canada has that kind of force projection besides the US?
>>28349916
>Canadian nationalism
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes, Hong is going to die for the maple leaf.
>>28349953
And how exactly do you think the rest of the world will react to that? At the very least it's economic suicide for the US.
>>28349958
>NATO
>JSDF
I mean, they could definitely try soft power.
>>28349953
Sure thing bud, it'd be a walk in the park. You're military resources would be spread so thin that the most likely conclusion would be a withdrawal of all troops after x number of years of graveyards growing and moral slipping. Your nation would literally explode with terror attacks and public sentiment would turn horrendous as more and more young men are sent to their deaths fighting a burning nationalism inspired by a selfish and evil attempt at robbing the freedom from a formerly peaceful country.
>>28350028
>Taiwan/Hong Kong land grab
>Baltics and eastern Europe land grab
More like an economic boon. If events every got that bad the rest of the worlds would be in the shitter too.
>>28350026
He would. This country is actually worth dying for.
>>28350008
Strongest. My. Ass. Maybe you have lots of gear, but you don't even teach marksmanship to your average trooper. Your discipline is a joke, and your average recruit is some white trash inbred who doesn't know his arsehole from a gopher hole.
tfw Im a mentally traumatized refugee from a 90s warzone who now lives a quiet life in rural Canada.
Is like a second youth!
>>28350243
Who's stronger?
>>28350076
> You're military resources would be spread so thin that the most likely conclusion would be a withdrawal of all troops after x number of years of graveyards growing and moral slipping.
Not sure why our military resources would be stretched thin. We're not occupying every square mile of your country, and we're basically doing it in our back yard. I'm imagining all we'd do is police (or even destroy/raze) your largest cities and protect our refineries/industrial complexes. In the meantime, the US is milking Canada of it's natural resources in incredibly efficient and horribly unsustainable ways, so that if we have to pull out x years down the road we would be sustained and our mission complete.
>Your nation would literally explode with terror attacks and public sentiment would turn horrendous as more and more young men are sent to their deaths fighting a burning nationalism inspired by blah blah blah
Hardly. Like I said before, if we're invading Canada in the first place, it's out of necessity. The only alternative to not invading Canada is our country collapsing and many, many more people dying than this conflict would produce. It's an easy choice. We will always choose our own survival over yours, and we will always choose our own survival over a "moral code" that you expect us to uphold for some reason.
I don't know what else to tell you. Many of your people would die. You would probably put up an admirable, yet negligible resistance. We're not trying to own the bank, we're just trying to take the goods from the vault and get the fuck out. You won't chase us back into the US.
We don't want your country. We don't want your government. We don't want your people. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that. Any resistance movement would have to get it's inspiration not from "freeing Canada" or "repelling the invasion", but rather "keeping our rocks and oil". It's much less rousing.
>>28349071
>"Less than a day after the attack began, a sudden, very heavy thunderstorm - possibly a hurricane - put out the fires. It also spun off a tornado that passed through the center of the capital, setting down on Constitution Avenue and lifting two cannons before dropping them several yards away, killing British troops and American civilians alike. The storm spooked the British and forced them to return to their ships, many of which were badly damaged. The occupation of Washington lasted only about 26 hours. Following the "Storm that saved Washington", as it soon after came to be called, the Americans were able to regain control of Washington and move the United States capital back from Brookeville, Maryland to its pre-war location.[3]"
lmao even god hated the redcoats
>>28350243
see
>>28350290
and proceed to not have any correct answers
>>28350304
Filthy lobsterbacks
>>28349897
Japan and Germany are still sovereign nations as well, whats your point?
>>28349969
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Canada#Canada_under_British_rule_.281763.E2.80.931867.29
>war of 1812
yes actually present day canada was under the rule of britain at the time..
so yes indeed:
>British troops from Europe are Canadians
good job getting something right for change
>>28350298
Even occupying the essential areas demands too much manpower, the terror attacks would be very real considering the ease of access through the large border and the resistance of a proud nation of 35 million people is nothing to be scoffed at. Your country can't even stop a tiny insurgency consisting of uneducated goat headers armed with Enfields. What are you gonna do, truck oil and water over the border for a while and go "war's done!"? Don't make me laugh.
>>28350028
What's the alternative? Death by resource starvation? I think we'd get over the Dow Jones dropping a few places.
>>28350352
They didn't suffer years of occupation following the war such as east and west Germany. America was booted out, Vietnam belonged to Vietnam.
>>28350356
Where does it say the guys that burned Washington were from Canada, and not Europe?
>>28350324
Solider to solider, Canada wins. Just look at the training records out of Gauge town, the American soldiers always lose in these scenarios.
>stroll into Toronto
>stroll into Vancouver
>phone every outpost and tell them if they cooperate you wont throw a missile at them
>???
>invasion successful
>>28350375
Think of it this way: If we, as Americans, fail in this endeavor, our way of life, country, and homes are all but forfeit. We would stream across the border in the millions if we had to. Whatever it takes. Sure, bomb your own cities, bomb the cities that will die anyways if we don't take your resources, why the fuck would we care? Remember the scenario here.
Also
>a proud nation of 35 million people is nothing to be scoffed at.
It kind of is, in the grand scheme of things. That's about a tenth of our population. I'd also say fairly confidently that Canadian citizens are less likely to go straight up Red Dawn than American citizens. We could muster a pretty large militia to invade your country for our country's survival.
>>28350434
But it's not soldier to soldier. That's what I'm saying. It's ship to ship, missile to missile, tank to tank, planes to planes, economy to economy.
Canada would be fucked. I don't care if their 250 sec ops guys are better than 250 Navy SEALS, they won't be better than 10x their own number.
>>28350431
> were from Canada, and not Europe?
theres no difference!
canadians were europeans at the time. those europeans settled in the colonies and the colony eventually declared independence
you really are a special kind of retard for needing someone to spell it out this plainly
>>28343490
Canada is like winter war era Finland x10. More area, more people, more soldiers, more money.
Murrika could do it, but resources locked into dirt in some remote place does not translate into money. Some shitty bowl full of a trillion barrels of oil in oilsands in the wilderness is worth less than a 5mw solar power plant.
Too much energy to extract the energy there. Might as well go invade fucking Jupiter for that atmospheric methane to sell on earth for fucking heating oil for those Canada occupation soldiers while you're at it.
>>28350403
>signing a peace treaty so that your cities will stop being bombed means you booted out your adversary
Your logic is quite peculiar.
>>28349071
>>28349071
>>28350730
>British fleet burn down Washington, a strategically unimportant city.
>Move North to port of Baltimore, an actual strategic objective.
>Get BTFO so hard that it becomes the basis for the American national anthem.
Oh say can you see Canada.
>>28350403
The US willingly left after the NORTH surrendered to AMERICA. Both sides saw that best case scenario, many Americans would die and Vietnam would be reduced to rubble. Years after we left, the soviet-backed Communist forces broke the treaty, re-invaded the South, and crushed them because we gave them NO HELP. Do you have some grudge against the US because it's more powerful than your country, or something? Stop writing history as you see fit.
>>28350574
British troops from the British isles that in no way had any support from Canadian residents are now Canadian.
Anon, you're trying too hard to take credit for your military failure.
>>28350574
That is an incredible feat of mental gymnastics you performed, to say nothing of how you managed to completely ignore reality.
>>28348330
Canada got into the world wars before the USA because they were sucking the king's dick while americans were their own political entity not slaved to european politics.
>>28348577
One gun per house? Fool, the USA has more than one gun per person, plus a military that is funded better than the next 20 or so combined. You snow-faggots don't even have nukes and there's nine burgerstani mofos with war boners for every one syrup monarchist out there. There are less Canadians than Californians. Hell the bear flag republic national guard by itself probably is as big and equipped as all Canuk military.
>>28348734
Vietnam was a political loss not a military one. That's why north vietnam waited until the US pulled out before taking the south.
Iraq and Afghanistan were laughably one sided. USA went in and murdered a fuckton of people then dicked about.
Bay of pigs was a CIA backed paramilitary invasion of Cuba. It wasn't even the USA fighting.
>>28348755
How would Canada cut off water to the states? more of the great lakes basin is USA territory than Canadian. The USA also already has laws to protect them from being drained for the thirstier parts of the country. The water being diverted out west is already coming from sources within the western USA.
>>28349071
the earliest one can seriously claim Canada became its own country is in 1867, over 50 years after the burning of the white house. It wasn't until 1840 that Canada had a single government and they weren't fully self-ruling (ignoring the monarchy parts that remain to this day) until 1982.
>>28349897
The goal of the vietnam war wasn't to remove North Vietnamese sovereignty it was to protect that of South Vietnam. South Vietnam still existed when the peace was negotiated in 1973 and the US pulled out. In 1975 North Vietnam broke the accords and invaded South Vietnam. The USA at that point said "fuck it" and didn't get involved since the domino theory was BS anyway and china was starting to open
The US would never invade Canada, it's a part of the great unspoken union of all of England's colonies.
>>28348085
>What is the Lebanon Crisis
>What is the Simba Rebellion
>What is the Dominican Civil War
>What is Shaba II
>What is the Lebanese Civil War
>What is the Invasion of Grenada
>What is the Tanker War
>What is the Invasion of Panama
>What is the Somali Civil War
>What is the Intervention in Haiti
>What is the Bosnian War
>What is the Kosovo War
>What is the 1st Gulf War
>What is the invasion phase of the 2nd Gulf War
>>28350998
The US never needs too, since the US has access to everything in Canada anyways with closely connected commerical enterprises, trade agreements and all that.
The markets control the world, but, the potential for invasion is in some awful dystopian future where that all breaks down, I guess is the premise here.
>>28348291
Not really because those areas where the bulk of Canadians live aren't significantly more population dense than the areas they border. We're talking a nation of 35 million (2nd largest in the world by area) vs 315 million (3rd or 4th largest by area depending on how you count. USA and China are almost the same size so it depends on how you count disputed chinese border areas and US territories)
>>28348262
I am floored by how little you comprehend geopolitics and international economics.
>>28350100
>go to war and die fighting largest military in the world or fly back to china with all my money
>>28351444
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Royal_Canadian_Air_Force
If America came at Canada I wouldn't be surpised if Russians came to our aid. If not with troops then with weaponry.
I can't really think of a better place for them to get footing for a proxy war.
I can see why people don't like Assad, but you aren't going to get shit on for assisting Canadians.
People scoff at le innawoods maymay but if it came down to it I think Canadians would galvanize and build forest based rebel camps.
I'm Canadian so I get why people think the natives would be worthless. Particularly against Americans I think they would rise up and protect their welfare checks with the other Canadians.
>>28348262
>less than 10% of the total domestic debt
>"They own you."
O i am laffin
>>28351541
>if it came down to it I think Canadians would galvanize and build forest based rebel camps
You elected Dudeweed, your country has been emasculated.
>>28351612
And you elected obamaniqua and are going to elect shillary no funs.
What does that say about the American men who would actually do something in that situation.
>>28347716
>>tfw no Russo-European-American alliance removing ayy lmao kebabs from our Solar colonies.
We're getting close to a real-life "Kebab-Removal Coalition" if ISIS keeps its shit up.
I can't wait for our President to chill with Putin, drinking the best vodka and having the best, most beautiful Franco-Czech traps give them a lap dance to remember as they laugh watching the nuclear crater that is the Middle East.
>>28350846
>>28350864
retard k alternative viewpoint:
>other british came here to present day canada
>they fought for the colony against america
>but they did not stay they left afterwards
>so they werent the ancestors of present day canadians
>they never slept with the colonists
>they did not settle down with the colonists
>see the colonists were OTHER people
>they were around *i guess*
>but they wernt involved
>being british colonists means they were at war with americans
>but they didnt fight
>no during the war they just did other stuff, but no fighting
thats some swell reasoning you possess there
must be that fine american education everyone is always so envious of
>>28347386
Traitorous, defeatist cuckolds like you who want us to be conquered are literally the fucking worst.
>>28351653
>And you elected obamaniqua and are going to elect shillary no funs.
Obama got elected because magic negro drew out people who don't normally vote and his opponent was a crazy old warhawk. Trump is going to be our next president, its amazing watching the liberal media shitting itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKZYUF-QkUM
>>28349071
You know we burned down Toronto (York) first right?
Kek stupid Canucks.
>>28351771
Only time will tell
>>28351771
Obama won because he was a moderate who's opponent would of placed a bat shit retarded women one heart beat away from the highest office of the land.
Clinton will most likely win because she's a cold calculating moderate who doesn't say literally retarded shit.
If the right had more non retarded moderate candidates then it would be a whole another story.
Maybe 400 years from now when all the transuranics have been used up...
Canada will be the next Saudi Arabia.
Read up on the "Franklin Expedition". While it's partially about the incredible history of this ill-fated expedition, it's more about planting the Canadian flag WAY out there before we wake up and find a Chinese Ice Station Zebra on Beechy Island, eh?
Its funny to keep reading "we would do this" and "we would do that" but what the fuck would YOU actually do? You're a civilian, a veteran maybe but YOU wouldn't have a part in invading Canada. Those who are defending Canada are saying "we" because its them who would raise up arms in an invasion. I like them, because when you think about it real hard, you get that empty feeling in your stomach and say to yourself " it could happed, and if it does I am willing to stand and fight for my country" even in the context of an online argument, a small spark ignites passion and pride in your country.
>>28349634
Nice non rebuttal shitpost.
Have fun getting your whole family raped by American death squads.
>>28350243
>but you don't even teach marksmanship to your average trooper. Your discipline is a joke, and your average recruit is some white trash inbred who doesn't know his arsehole from a gopher hole.
Post groups syrup nigger.
Lets see if you shoot as well as you bitch.
>some newguns actually thinks he can outshoot american has guns.
>inb4 he pokes holes in a target lying around.
>>28350998
This
Any former Imperial vassal or Commonwealth territory is off-limits for invasion. Anglophone countries that were former British states are deemed by international Anglican bro-code to not be fucked with.
Besides, if my country invaded the Canuckbros we would lose out on 3 very important resources: bacon, authentic maple syrup and good hockey players.
to be fair the canadian military is going through hell right now
our soldiers do not have enough ammo to be trained to shoot properly.
last years ammo budget was cut back 40%
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/02/canadian_militarys_ammunition_cutbacks_raise_questions_about_iraq_mission.html
so no the syrup niggers will not be posting groups because the syrup niggers arnt currently shooting groups.
thanks DUDE
>>28351915
Go fuck yourself. That shit they call bacon isn't bacon. It is ham.
>>28351700
The British Fleet which burned down Washington had no British Canadian colonials aboard, therefore, the Canadians did not burn down Washington. The British fleet did.
>>28351915
>bacon, authentic maple syrup and good hockey players.
I don't watch hockey so I can't say anything about that, but canadian bacon is a joke and we can get maple syrup from Vermont.
>>28351915
Like Grenada?
>>28351974
>implying the semi fudds that make up our military still don't manage to feed their guns despite 2 kids and a Dependapotamus waiting at home.
>>28343490
That would be stupid. They will likely be pressured by foreign groups and NGOs to sell their resources instead. It would be too costly to wage a war that you cannot support to keep going for a long period of time, not to mention where the "enemy" (in this case, Canada with its' allies, say, if Russia or China attacked) would have too many powerful allies to let it be invaded.
Plus Americans really like Canada, and would not want to ever see it invaded, same with Australia for some reason. Anecdote, but I've seen people get mad over the idea of Canada being attacked.
>>28352052
We don't talk about Grenada
>>28348099
It's not that we don't have physical space, it's that we have a social system that requires a life time of paying into to be sustainable. You fucking people are part of the fucking problem.
>>28350555
But we can sure as hell go down swingin'!
>>28352011
>>28352045
>canadian bacon
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>>28349613
The purpose of the Vietnam war was never to make Vietnam dependent on us, rather to assist the french and remove communism-bab, which we did fail in that aspect, fortunately though, communism is shit and it failed like always.
>>28349054
You legitimately sound like a confused old woman who can't let go of something. We have the most powerful military in the world due to our logistics, training, and technology (not the biggest), not to mention the fact that I, as a civilian, could waltz over to canada right now. Imagine how impossible it would be to keep an American invasion force from walking across your borders, firebombing the populace, annihilating your governmental buildings and forcing surrender. You cannot contend with the U.S. military whatsoever, Canada's military state is just sad and the sheer amount of liberals poisoning your people will keep you from ever being able to form a serious guerrilla threat due to the lack of your own weapons and the fact that the canadian people are pacified and cannot take care of themselves and rely on the government.
>>28347608
I get what you mean since Hawaii is an island, it bothers me that alaska is just attached by this thin series of archipelagos with that straight border on canada
>>28351063
I think he thinks since we haven't completely toppled a government and replaced it with an obviously american one in a while, we never win
>>28348262
I really wish you hadn't posted that. Now we'll never get all of the stupid out of the internet.
I'll tattoo the fucking American flag on my chest if it means we get your (best) carry laws. I'm tired of doing it illegally.
>>28343490
Canada is already apart of America. The Monroe act protects it.
>>28343543
So, BC being bought up the Chinese is a prelude to a Chinese client state of Cascadia? Presumably after the United States is sufficiently weakened?
>>28351675
>most beautiful Franco-Czech traps
You sure know how to ruin a good thing, fucking homo.
>>28347213
>give up some land
>more then the soviets wanted in the first place
>11% of their clay
>30% of their economy
>muh simo!
Keep sucking that faggots dick, I'm sure when he looks down at you with his half face he can kind of smile at your devotion. Maybe if he had done something besides play 360noscopez: snow edition the Finnish wouldn't have to rely on 4chan shitposters dredging up 50 year old statistics to feel militarily relevant.
>>28348734
Iraq and Afghanistan were wins. Or are claiming that Saddam is still in charge and that the Taliban is running Afghanistan? In which case, you are a retard.
>>28343490
>tfw there's a comic called We Stand on Guard that is writen by a Canuck talking about how evil Americans invade and occupy Canada (and other lands which are mentioned as asides) as well as how much better morally Canadians are.
>and they STILL lose and get the shit beat out of them
Anyone have that pic from the comic where Toronto gets blown to shit by American missile spam?
The United States would never directly invade mainland Canada, were too sneaky for that. As for a China/Russia invasion it would actually benefit the US pretty well. If the chinise or Russians invaded Canada then the U.S. Would come to Canada's aid and look like a hero for defending its neighbor, then we would be like"hey Canada were just gonna leave our military here in your territory since it seems you can't defend yourself, oh by the way we're taking some of that oil at a discount (or free) for helping you guys" I mean hell we could just annex the whole country at that point, the general populace would know no better and there would be no gurilla warfare. Damn it might even be smart for the US to trick Russia or China to invade Canada just for that purpose
>>28343490
You know, Clive Cussler actually wrote a book on this idea. It was called Night Probe
Basically back when Canada was still a rightful colony of Britain, America and Britain worked out a deal, We'd get Canada in exchange for some funds. But the paperwork signed by the brits was lost after we paid and to save face the US president said it was for war efforts during WW1.
Later, when the US is facing an energy crisis and they find a lot of oil in Canada they embark on finding the other copy of the treaty that went missing when a bridge collapsed under a train and it landed in the hudson river.
Pretty good book and I'd suggest you find it.
>>28349521
this doesn't make him sound any better. it just makes you sound like a tinfoiler and a partisan hack
>>28349128
literally this
>hurr we won the war at an immense cost
>spend slightly less money to strip natural resources
would it even be worth it? The only reason to invade is if Canada stopped exporting, would that even happen?
>>28343490
>its pretty much inevitable that canada is going to be invaded for its resouces
you know trade exists right?
>>28352045
back bacon isnt bacon, and is only called canadian bacon by noncanadians
>>28359757
Found it.
