http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/pm-modi-leaves-for-moscow-russia-offers-new-cheaper-deal-on-sukhoi-fighter-jets/
>Under the new offer, India will have to pay $3.7 billion, instead of $6 billion, for the technological know-how and three prototypes of PAK FA fighters. The proposal awaits a decision from Prime Minister Narendra Modi, when he meets Russian President Vladimir Putin for the annual India-Russia summit this week.
>But the Indian Air Force (IAF) remains opposed to the idea. A senior IAF official said, “We are not in favour of the FGFA. The PAK FA fighter is too expensive at even this rate, and we are not sure of its capabilities.”
>Russians offer the whole T-50 program at 40% off
>Indians still don't want it
How ded is the Russian aerospace industry at this point?
>Indians don't want to pay for unproven technology that barely has tech demonstrators
>Schematics did not include a designated waste disposal port for airborne pooing of the loo
>Russian guidelines of "just squat" were rejected
India wants to do everything domestically, regardless of results.
>>28332052
Who cares what the indians want?
That's not to say the pak fa is good, just that indians are a bunch of filthy corrupt dumb shits and you shouldn't take them seriously.
>>28332195
>Who cares what the indians want?
Sukhoi, since without curry nigger moni, the PAK FA is deader than Elvis.
>>28332195
>Russia has 12 on order
>India has 100+ on order
Sukhoi sure as hell do
I'm no vatnik son but you need to stop posting the same damn thread with different sources again and again
We get it,PAK FA is dead, don't beat a dead horse
the question would be what is the alternative for India?
They will not get any F-35 and China is a no-go. And it's easily a decade too soon for an own cutting edge aircraft project.
What do they want? An airforce full of Tejas?
>>28332496
Indians realize they have Sukhoi over a barrel. if they don't get what they want and don't go forward with funding then Russia is kind of stuck.
>>28332503
The US has said that it's open to the idea of selling F-35s to India. The only potential stumbling block would be tech sharing and manufacturing rights.
>>28332517
Source?
>>28332523
http://www.firstpost.com/world/us-making-a-push-to-sell-radar-evading-f-35-fighter-jets-to-india-121339.html
The US previously considered selling the F-35 to India as far back as 2011, but India's involvement in the PAK-FA complicated things. With that roadblock apparently gone, I don't see why the US wouldn't try again.
Is it true Russians are throwing shit at F-35 so that their plane does not smell as bad? F-35 is actually the best plane ever?
>>28332731
A huge amount of the anti-JSF BS that's on the web can be traced to Russia, so yes.
At this rate India should just buy the J-31 and ask France to install their Snecma M88 of the Rafale to replace the RD-93 flying smokestacks. Thrust would be about same, minus the smoke (not that India cares, though, seeing that their smog is even worse than in China)
>>28333216
>India
>buying Chinese
Kill yourself Chink
>>28332052
Not sure if its dead but totally in the shitter if the Indians won't even bite.
>>28332052
Completely fucked now.
PAK FA is the same plane as the MiG, just with internal weapons bay.
>>28333354
*Su-27
>>28332118
> Folding butt
>>28333403
>Different engines
No. It is the same engine. They merged in the canards with the wings and enlarged the intakes.
It will not have any meaningful RCS differences with the Su-35S. Which is why the RuAF themselves are purchasing more Su-35S and ignoring the PAK FA. IAF senses something wrong, and so they refuse to sign the $6 billion contract. Now Sukhoi comes back begging for $3.7 billion and it wasn't even signed.
>>28332052
Does anyone else find the INDIANS complaining about a failed aircraft program? Do they really not see the irony in that given hoow hilarious the tejas program is? I mean they even fucked up mrca
>>28333493
If anything their program probably made them realize how shit the PAK FAG must have been.
The Tejas with Y-shaped inlets probably has a better RCS than the PAK FAG.
>>28333493
It just means they can spot failed programs easier
>>28332052
>How ded is the Russian aerospace industry at this point?
With Ukraine gone and the currency and economy in the toilet, the Russian flying machine industry is utterly fucked.
>>28333493
Tejas Orders:
120
PAK FA Orders:
12
>http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/iaf-to-induct-120-home-grown-tejas-jets-instead-of-40-planned-earlier/1/495723.html
It is over Vatnik. Tejas is officially more successful than the PAK FA.
OH, and there are no rivets btw ;), it actually uses CFC for the majority of the body, and not titanium.
>>28333602
Wew no rivets. I bet it's stealthier than the T-50 and could destroy the entire Russian air force just like the F-22. Riveting technology.
>>28332118
I still want one of these. INSAS has great aesthetics
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>>28333696
>>28333602
There are no rivets on PAK-FA either.
>>28333729
There's no s-duct on the PAK-FA either.
>>28333723
underrated post
>>28333334
Their loss.
India's a giant pathetic failure of a state and of a military. And Russia knows it, hence they are exploiting them until nothing's left. The US, too, wont be able to fix India. At most, they will become a bigger Philippines. It is in their nature to be absolute failures.
>>28333729
I don't see any rivets, but let's pretend it's there. Once the T-50 enters service in 2017, there will be plenty of tears to drink.
>>28333772
No one buys Chinese. Not even Brazil would buy Chinese junk.
>>28333772
Thats what happens when you have brown shitholes with 80 average IQ's
With wildly corrupt "democracies"
>>28333743
So?
Maybe they'll use radar-absorbing materials for compressor blades.
Maybe they'll use a blocker.
You're just shitposting my friend. You're no better than Slavaboos.
>>28333799
see
>>28332052
The radar blocker is already in place.
Radar blockers only partially obscure the blades, they don't actually block them.
How are you this retarded?
>>28333773
>Once the T-50 enters service in 2017
>>28333773
>2017
>enter service
for aircraft that not even begun weapon testing
you know what i will screencap your post and post it in 2017
>>28333832
Sukhoi has been making cutting-edge aircraft for 70 years already. Testing weapons take a month at best.
Reliability is the stamp of Russian industry.
>>28333810
Radar-absorbing blades?
Who knows. My point is you're just shitposting, you have no data to back your claim (that T-50 failed in stealth department).
We'll have to wait and see.
>>28333855
>Reliability is the stamp of Russian industry.
i actually owned lada and russian tv, and washing machine
please let me laugh harder
well, see you in 2017
>>28333860
>you have no data to back your claim (that T-50 failed in stealth department).
literally the geometry of the aircraft is all we need to get a feel for it.
slavs either don't care or aren't trying to match the RCS or the F-22/F-35, because they're not that stupid so as to include straight ducts with exposed compressor blades.
and no, it doesn't have a radar blocker, or RAM on the blades, and it doesn't have an s-duct either. No shops, just unstealthy designs.
>>28333860
>Radar-absorbing blades?
>>28333869
Soviet Union=/=Russia.
In any case, some of Soviet shit was highly durable (but often very crude).
>>28333860
>You're shitposting
>Suggests RAM turbine blades
No u
>>28333891
>Soviet Union=/=Russia.
you do know that they produce lada even now ?
fuck modern lada wish it was as "good" soviet one
>>28333880
>>28333902
>>28333879
I just made a suggestion, not saying they will do that.
In any case I personally believe it won't reach F-22 level of stealth. But it will still be pretty stealthy. That's a good start I guess.
>>28333973
>not saying they will do that.
The suggestion is that its at all possible. It isn't.
>But it will still be pretty stealthy.
It won't be.
>>28332052
NO !!! Its called the Indian procurement disease they have a habit of postponing things for years, decades or sometimes it just doesn't happen.
The Indian military wants the most expensive and sophisticated toys but their domestic military industrial complex just cant provide.
The Politicians are sympathetic but budget reality gets in the way.
>>28333973
>But it will still be pretty stealthy
Odd, from everything I've seen I'd think RCS was the last thing on their list of shit to do.
>general geometry is unfriendly to maintaining low RCS
>canards (hurr they're lerxes)
>rivets
>exposed fan blades
>straight duct
>segmented canopy
>rivets everywhere
just come the fuck on, guys.
>>28333984
Blades are still invisible from many angles aren't they?
>>28334010
>rivets
For the last time, it doesn't have rivets. That was a test model for fucks sake.
Exposed fan blades and straight ducts are same shit basically.
>general geometry is unfriendly
...are you an expert of stealth technology?
Seriously, I'm fucking tired of people like you here.
Can't we discuss weapons and warfare without unnecessary bias?
>>28334048
>Blades are still invisible from many angles aren't they?
They're not from the frontal aspect, where it actually matters most.
>>28334090
So why do you think they didn't use S-duct?
Is it so complicated to pull-off?
>>28334048
s-ducts exist to do more than just make sure the fan blades aren't raping your RCS, m8.
And my point is that you don't have to be an expert in VLO tech to be able to look at a few design choices of the PAKFA and just say wat, which is why I said they either don't care or weren't trying to reduce RCS that much, because slavs believe it or not actually have some pretty bright minds and I refuse to believe they'd seriously allow this bullshit into the airframe if they actually wanted a competitive RCS.
>>28334111
I honestly do not know.
It requires a certain level of materials science, but I don't think they're incapable of that. China is producing fighters with them. They should be capable.
This is what an actual radar blocker looks like. This is also what a performance blocker looks like.
>>28332496
India has zero on order.
>ANY TIME NOW
Hindu shill, pls. Like with everything else you just want to get technology for free.
What's stopping them from getting the F-35 then? Why even bother with the Rafale?
>>28335055
The fact that they might sell the F-35 tech to the Russians if they think it'll give them some coin and good graces with Russia.
>>28335209
>implying GRU couldn't bribe an American pilot to land a F-22 in Kamchatka is they really wanted
>>28335403
It will get shot down if the pilot goes rogue
>>28335403
Bribe him with what? Pickled beets?
>US fighter pilots are so bad off they need to fuck their lives and families over for a pile of meme tier currency and a life in a third world shithole
>>28335209
that's really not stopping them
It has already been offered to India,they're the ones who weren't buying it.
Now that PAK FA has turned out to be absolute pile of dogshit and China is making headway on It's Stealth Fighters it's almost guaranteed that India will buy the F-35.
Screencap this
>>28334162
>but I don't think they're incapable of that
It requires a redesign of the basic Su-27 frame. Sukhoi has either deluded themselves into thinking the Su-27 frame is perfect, or they simple don't have the time and money for a redesign.
>>28335209
F-35 comes with limitations and strings attached.
Supposedly if you are not a member of NATO and buy the F-35, then you have to get approval from the Pentagon before using it. Rafale comes with no such strings.
Indians don't give anything to the Russians anyway, because they might give it to China who gives it to Pakistan. Israel is the one who hands over our secret tech for money.
>>28332052
The ruble lost a lot of its value in dollar terms. So the Ruskies are getting the same amount of money in their eyes.
Still, the Ruskies are going to have to make some hard choices.
>>28332709
Do we think they aren't going to copy every single thing in the airplane once they get it?
They are similar to the Chinese in that they do what is best for them in the short run.
>>28335464
>like it hasnt happened before
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_and_British_defectors_in_the_Korean_War
>>28335403
What are they going to buy with all those rubles?
or how is Russia supposed to transfer their rubles into real money?
>ruble is down against fucking everything
>>28333799
Hmm. How viable would CFC materials be in just the first row of the compressor?
Would they hold together?
>>28335598
>things that happened half a century ago are comparable to modern day society
stay retarded
>>28335598
That was back when Russia mattered and could convince some people that living there doesn't suck a hairy nutsack.
Also I don't think many corporals and PFCs fly F-22s nowadays, my vatnik friend.
>>28335605
Everything is down against the dollar. Currency fluctuations are meaningless to the real economy.
Not to say oil's crash didn't fuck all oil producers though.
>>28335523
I doubt the Indians won't copy everything and try making their own "indigenous" 5th gen.
>>28335693
>Everything is down against the dollar.
Who said anything about the dollar?
>>28335693
>Currency fluctuations are meaningless to the real economy.
Except when your economy consists of exporting fossil fuels and importing everything else with that money.
>>28335574
Reverse engineering doesn't work guaranteed 100%.
Chinks have been reverse engineering stuff since who knows and can't make a decent engine.
Indians just don't have the military complex to build a fighter 100% indigenously now
>>28335714
>hurdur, currency = economy's health
>>28335717
You realize if the countries they import from devalue as much, import costs remain the same.
>>28335824
>if the countries they import from devalue as much
Yeah, about that...
>>28335728
But it's works enough that the gain of knowledge has been worth the loss of trust from other countries.
India has reverse engineered as much as the Chinese. They just haven't done it as well.
>>28335824
>foreign exchange rates for a country that gets 16% of its GDP from a single commodity doesn't matter
> As of 2012 the oil-and-gas sector accounted for 16% of the GDP, 52% of federal budget revenues and over 70% of total exports
>>28335858
How much do they import from the Euro's?
Look at their trade balance in a year to see what the effects of the devaluation in 2014 did. Usually it gets worse at first and then gets a lot better as people switch to their country's goods and the exporters undercut foreign exports.
Look at Japan 2013-2014 for an example.
>>28333879
>literally the geometry of the aircraft is all we need to get a feel for it
But that's wrong for a long time now.
F-35 costs so much because the entire structure (both internal and external) of the plane is optimized to reduce radar signature.
The radiation absorbing elements are basically "baked" into the materials used on the plane.
The turbine blades are 3D laser sintered and hollow(ish) inside for dem weight savings.
The American taxpayer has not spent his money in vain. The amount of new solutions developed in the F-35 is huge.
T-50 fails at stealth because it's just a slightly better Su-27, made from the same old 4th generation materials.
That and Russia simply not having the tech. Or the money. Development costs increase exponentially between aircraft generations.
Indians are pissed because Russia has missed every fucking deadline and it's not even sure, if the end product will be better than a second hand F16s with upgrades.
>>28332075
>Russian guidelines of "just squat" were rejected
jej
>>28335877
It really does not. Your lack of understanding of basic economics is normal for 4chan.
>>28335883
Are you saying RAM coatings impact RCS more than geometry? kek
>>28335824
I guess that's why Russia's GDP went down 4% between the first quarter of 2015 and the 3rd quarter. Don't worry, I'm sure they made great gains in the last few months of the year though!
>>28335924
>export based economy
>exchange rates don't matter!
>You just don't know basic economics!
>>28335928
I am saying that stealth is far beyond "coatings and geometry" now.
The entire plane is literally a masterpiece of material science.
>>28335882
>How much do they import from the Euro's?
Not much anymore. What wasn't covered in sanctions got banned when Putin got butthurt about sanctions.
>as people switch to their country's goods
That's the problem. Russia doesn't produce enough of nearly everything to cover their needs, smuggling is on the rise and the few legitimate import sources left are free to price gouge. The propaganda mill is working overtime to maintain that "Russia against the world, buckle up people" mindset, but sooner or later people will get tired living off buckwheat porridge and Putin's cum. Combine that with foreign investors packing up and leaving en masse and I don't think any amount of nationalistic hype is going to save the regime in the long run.
>>28335998
>I am saying that stealth is far beyond "coatings and geometry" now.
just look at the underside of this shit>>28333773
>>28336005
It's funny that you guys keep saying Russia can't produce food. Russia has an analogue for nearly all kinds of foods and the producers will gladly take over the place imported foods by simply expanding business and hiring more people.
The reason they couldn't expand isn't because of Russia can't make food, it was because of competition. With no French cheese to compete, Russian cheese takes over.
>>28336146
>Russian cheese takes over
As do Belarussian oranges, salmon from Kazakshtan etc..
>>28336146
I'm by no means saying Russia can't produce food. But Russia, at this point, can't produce a *variety* of food in substantial volumes.
>the producers will gladly take over the place imported foods by simply expanding business and hiring more people
>expanding business and hiring more people
Yeah, because the worst economic crisis in decades, when you owe four months' worth of wages to your current employees, is simply the best time to expand your business and hire more people. Vatniks, I swear.
>>28336220
>As do Belarussian oranges, salmon from Kazakshtan etc..
Nah, these we bulldoze once a month to show how shitty Western food is.
>>28336237
>Yeah, because the worst economic crisis in decades, when you owe four months' worth of wages to your current employees, is simply the best time to expand your business and hire more people. Vatniks, I swear.
Is this what Ukrainian and Estonian media pass on TV? Not even Western media is this stupid.
>>28336259
RT reports it. Russian media)))
https://www.rt.com/business/314954-russia-factory-salaries-bricks/
>>28336146
>you stupid NATO PIGS! Don't you understand? Without all this competition, Russian companies will just expand into areas they have no experience in and take over without any problems at all! Stupid world doesn't know economics!
>>28336259
>Vatnik stage 1: Denial
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4647904.ece
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/04/22/unpaid-russian-workers-protest-putin-as-economy-continues-freefall/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2558454-russia-world-cup-2018-workers-threaten-to-sue-over-unpaid-wages
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/workers-at-russian-space-centre-go-on-hunger-strike-in-protest-of-unpaid-wages-despite-promise-from-putin
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2015/11/02/for-the-first-time-in-a-long-time-russian-wages-are-clearly-declining/
The Russians appear to be desperate for cash. I don't like thinking about what desperate people will do.
>>28336298
Bricks currency has true value to it since its clay-backed.
This will be the end of the fiat petrodollar!!
>>28336347
The dollar will fall in 2016 I swear!
Another thread by dumb americunts sucking indian dick
Godspeed usa now give ypur wife back to tyrone ;)
>>28336382
>>28336382
I'm not even murrikan but I shill for them in these threads because mad vatniks in damage control mode make my peepee feel good.
>>28336298
Russia really went overboard when they went ahead with BRICS. They knew it wasn't supposed to be literal, right?
>>28336382
There's no need to be so upset just because you got BTFO. And judging by how Russia dropped the price by 40% makes it look like its Russia sucking curry dick :)
>>28336318
>ONLY USA CAN MAKE PASTA! PASTA IS HIGH-TECH TECHNOLOGY
First man in space 1961.
Not to mention we have several Nestle factories working here. Copying them is the easy part.
>>28336298
>brick factory
People don't eat bricks yet.
>>28336319
Those people are illegal immigrants. Their salary is not controlled.
>>28336496
Says the citizen of obongos murica whose tax money goes to saud arabia to get the high tech murikan shit rekt by houtis
Also ur mom sucks tyrone dick and dont say its not true because the police sjw state will lock you up :)
>>28336500
>First man in space 1961.
that's cool
try being the first humans to walk on another celestial body
>>28333973
>But it will still be pretty stealthy
Even official Russian estimates put it on par with Eurocanards, which aren't stealthy at all at 1-0.1 square meter.
>>28336500
Good luck making chocolate bars with all the cocoa that Russia makes :3
>>28336514
>implying I'm even in the Western Hemisphere
Try again :)))))
>>28336500
>First man in space 1961.
Congratulations, one of the two things you can be proud of since the 18th century.
>Those people are illegal immigrants. Their salary is not controlled.
Oh, so all government employees in the Vladimir, Kirov and Kaluga oblasts are "illegal immigrants" now, huh?
>>28334010
Don't forget the active leading edge like on the F/A-18.
>>28336536
Sshhh, according to RT, they faked it.
>>28336514
>Also ur mom sucks tyrone dick and dont say its not true because the police sjw state will lock you up :)
Excuse me, what did you say? I couldn't hear you over the sound of me swimming in guns while you wait for your cuck card that allows you to own a fudd rifle, cuddling your blank pistol and pretending it's a real gun.
>>28335598
>All enlisted
>Mostly POWs already
Why do people even make these dumb fucking threads?
>>28333855
>Reliability is the stamp of Russian industry.
>vatnik levels higher than I've ever seen.jpg
sergei... sergei plz
there is a saying in america when discussing buying a russian consumer product. "would buy a russian pacemaker?"
>>28333855
>Testing rockets take a month at best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl12dXYcUTo
>>28336146
Russia is 90% unfarmable wasteland, they can't compete with Europe, China, and the US.
>>28336732
90% of USA and Brazil is used for farming right? Yet both are some of the largest food producers on earth.
>When the ruble is high, most people are going to buy cheap but quality imported goods rather than domestic goods. A blogger from Russia writes that Belarusian suppliers have set dollar prices for the goods his company has been regularly buying. As a result the company didn’t hesitate to opt out of Belarusian goods in favor of their domestic equivalents.
>Here’s another example: an entrepreneur built a plant that produces refrigeration and ventilation equipment. Only 50% of its capacity was being utilized. But towards the end of 2014 the demand has grown so much that they can’t even possibly satisfy it. And there are heaps of similar examples. Manufacturing in Russia now gets its chance to stay alive!
http://investazy.com/blog/337.php
>Some parts of Russia’s food sector are booming, with meat and cheese production up sharply. Miratorg and Cherkizovo, two of the country’s largest meat producers, reported higher revenues and profits for last year. Miratorg is rapidly growing the production of high-yield beef, with the help of a $425m loan from VEB, the state-run bank.
The chemicals industry has also benefited from the weak rouble, with fertiliser producers such as Acron Group and PhosAgro reporting stronger results.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dadbb344-fb1f-11e4-9aed-00144feab7de.html
>"I would be disappointed if the sanctions were cancelled and I think for Russia this is quite a healthy process honestly," he said, speaking to CNBC from SPIEF. "I see that quite a lot of production has shifted from Ukraine into Russian companies and that's worth tens of billions of dollars and also agriculture is on the rise. So, while it's somewhat painful - like moving out of your parents' home for the first time - it's necessary and it's healthy."
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/18/russia-sanctions-helping-businesses-to-thrive.html
>>28336825
>90% of USA and Brazil is used for farming right?
Most of the Central US is nothing but farmland
>Tejas
Good luck with that one, curries.
>>28334187
I fucking love the aesthetics of those things. Those angles.
>>28336825
>with the help of a $425m loan from VEB, the state-run bank.
da tovarich, the next 5 year plan is sure to be a success
>When the ruble is high, most people are going to buy cheap but quality imported goods rather than domestic goods
>rather than expensive and shitty domestic goods
ftfy
>becoming a pariah state means our inferior manufacturing gets to survive through state loans!
worked so well for North korea
>>28337562
>worked so well for North korea
They're alive and "nuclear", are they not?
Russia just needs to ask for handouts and threaten to nuke everyone else otherwise (well they only need to ask for handouts, they already got the second part down).
They've reached meme country status long ago, so it's not like it'll hurt their standing in any way.
>>28333722
Those two rifles look like the barrel would snap off if you weren't careful with it.
To each his own, but the rifle strikes me as something I would find at a dollar store if they sold guns.
>>28332052
>Indians cheaping out like usual
nothing to see here
>>28337913
>based James May
>>28337913
>cheaping out
I don't think investing millions in a 4th gen indigenous piece of shit will end up cheaper in the long run
>>28337993
their INSAS rifle says otherwise
>>28336605
Just a friendly anon helping the Vatniks work through it
>>28338109
Looks like Sukhoi have moved up to Bargaining, but the Internet Russiaboos are still on Anger
>>28338109
Vatniks sure are good at deflection and changing the subject
>>28335866
I'll believe it when I see Indian flankers competing with Russians and Chinese for the same market
>>28335494
>It requires a redesign of the basic Su-27 frame. Sukhoi has either deluded themselves into thinking the Su-27 frame is perfect, or they simple don't have the time and money for a redesign.
So the PAKFA really is Flanker equivalent of a F-15SE Silent Eagle.
Should we call it the "Silent Flanker" for accuracy?
>>28338467
Dude, the Indians managed to fuck up a Kalashnikov.
The reason why their mig-21s keep falling out of the sky, is because they used shitty Made-in-India spare parts instead of the expensive Russian ones.
>>28332052
>those inlets
>>28332052
4th gen rehash confirmed.
I hope Russian aerospace industry goes under and they have to buy Chinese in 'joint ventures' to save face.
>>28332501
what are you even talking about?
>>28332052
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>>28339558
China already signed up for SU-35 order. Guess their stealth plane isn't ready either.
>>28339155
Made in India at this point is better than made in Russia. Made in Russia engines for their SU-30s kept fucking up way before their TBO.
>>28335403
Has there ever been any USA pilot who defected to a slav country in the entire history of the world? I seem to only recall slavs defecting to the West.
>>28341848
Most of the western defectors tended to be spies who were either already double agents or were promised a lot of money by the Soviets.
>>28336146
The reason that Russian sources of goods were not chosen, over Western imports is because the Western products were viewed as delivering superior value.
Now that Russians are no longer able to choose to buy those things they had decided were better values, they must choose what is the new best-value.
So the welfare of individual Russians has gone down.
>>28336650
Anon, enjoy this. Overlaid with the Egyptian rendition of their anthem that Putin had to hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpl8KJ-zrEQ
>>28340917
>Guess their stealth plane isn't ready either.
Lmao. I guess you didn't check up on the J-20's news these past few days.
>>28339155
MiG 21s aren't supposed to be even flying right now what the fuck is wrong with them
>>28342709
They're phasing them out but that also means they'll reach a point of lowest combat strength in over a decade.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/iaf-combats-lowest-fighter-strength/102963.html
>>28341848
An Iranian Pilot defected with an F-14 once.
>>28342924
That was to Iraq when they were buddies with the west.
>>28333447
Actually Stage one T-50 uses an upgraded engines from MiG-31. So, they ARE different from those, used on Su-27 series.
>>28338155
more like...
>>28343703
Love you delusional slavboos.
AL-41F1s are not upgraded D-30s.
They're upgraded AL-41s/AL-3Xs, used in the Su-27 family.
>>28336146
Which is why Ukraine is considered the wheat powerhouse of Europe and which si why you had to starve them to death to feed the "powerhouse russian food production"
Loving Every Kek of "all kinds of food" when
they have to import specialized food for people who have some kind of intolerance.
Inb4"lactose intolerant people need russia, russia does not need them" and "life expectency of 65 for men is among worlds best"
>>28336591
>Sshhh, according to RT, they faked it.
You do know that thinking the US never reached to the moon but faked it did not start with RT.
>have they even said that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVPBXKYidTs
>>28342612
>we have 5th gen most advanced in the world
>waste billions in Russian 4th gen which according to /k/ is inferior to all Chinese aircraft
Chinese logic.
>>28344178
>according to /k/ is inferior to all Chinese aircraft
Literally no one said that. It doesn't even make sense when a large number of J-11s are Su-27 level. 24 planes isn't even significant so the reason of the purchase is likely just to have a look at the TVC of the Su-35.
>>28335598
Fun story because of those events Texas changed its curriculum and removed a number of books from its school and public library's. All to make its students love America better.
>>28338065
They didn't cheap out on the INSAS rifle, quite the opposite. They added so many useless features that it cost many times more to produce than a standard AK, while being much less effective.
>>28332052
>dat boundary layer divider
someone should be fired
