Who are the best AK manufacturers for 2015? [pic semi-related]
There are cast trunions on USA made "Kalashnikov brand" rifles. Kalashnikov Concern has no relations with Kalashnikov USA aka "RWC Group". The best manufacturers are Molot, Saiga, and Arsenal.
>>28322108
>Kalashnikov USA
kek
Their shit is hilarious.
>Russian AKs banned
>We'll just steal the name and pretend they're the same thing
>Meanwhile the only product they've put out, that I've seen, was previously imported converted Saigas.
As far as your question, my vote is for DDI.
>While they've had some growing pangs, they have backed up their products 100% (unlike ARSEnal)
>>28322108
I like Definitive Arms quite a bit
How many times are you gonna make this thread just get an arsenal and stop
>>28322541
>Just get an overpriced rifle with canted sights and a shit company that says "they're fine"
FTFY
please also post aks for europeans
>>28322581
Mine
t. german
>>28322108
The best AK manufacturers in 2015 are you, the home builder.
The best AK you could buy is the one you built from a parts kit at home and an 80% blank.
At the very least its the one Hilary can't take from you next year.
>>28322581
7.62x39 stamped
>Romanian surplus
Aboid new production like plague
>Hungarian amd63/65 and amp69
>Zastava m70/m70ab
>SDM rifles
only the 2014 and up ones aka the akm and the akm dressed as a 103, avaiable both with triangle and poly folders, older ones sucked ass
>Norinco type 56
Model s, standard, whatever they're good
>polish surplus
>Arenal/circle 10
aka the Bulgarians, comes in every flavours
>Saiga akm
>east German akm
>Surplus tula and izhmash akm
>Saiga equivalent of the ak-103
(really can't remember the proper name right now, maybe mk-02?)
7.62x39 milled
>norinco
>polish
>polytech
>Russian
5.45 and 5.56
>polish Beryl and tantal
>east German ak74
>Bulgarian
>saiga 223 and 74
Krinks, no caliber distinction
>the fake SDM104 with fixed stock trunnion
>romanian aimr both 5.45 and 7.62
>zastava m92 and m85
>Bulgarians
>surplus tula aks74u
>saiga mk-01 and 03
Shotguns
>SDM 12
>saiga 12, 20 and 410
>vepr12
Others different rifles and somenspecial snowflakes, no special order
>all veprs
>zastava m76/77/91
>all the various galils
>all various valmets and Rk's
>spaghetti special bernardelli italian galil
>saiga mk-107
>saiga-9
Feel free to add rifles, modify, correct and shit because I've surely forgot something
>>28322108
None of them, they are all assemblers.
>>28322593
>uncapped mag
POZILEI
>>28322108
>best AK manufacturers for 2015?
ИЖMAШ (Izhmash) naturally.
>>28322700
[Åkesson intensifies]
>>28322706
uncapped magazins are not restricted
>>28322108
Kazan arsenal.
>>28322727
see
>>28322566
Arsenal has fallen from grace, tripfag
>>28322737
I have one and its straight, you're going to need a lot more proof than a censored email that anyone with 5 minutes can compose.
>>28322739
>You have ONE
I'm gonna need more proof than your anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
That censored email came from Prepper Gun Shop.
>>28322749
>muh anecdotal proofs
>is the base of his argument
Time to stop posting kiddo
>>28322749
>PGS
Confirmed for shit.
>>28322749
wow your link would have been more valid if the website was run by serious people, you might have more credibility if Oprah made that email
>get ready 4 duh apocalypse
>vp9 guise!?
>more dumb memeshit
>taking what they say as gospel
>>28322739
>>28322761
http://www.theakforum.net/forums/14-general-discussion/169778-i-thought-arsenal-akms-were-supposed-top-quality.html
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178888
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59013
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139839
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176860
>inb4 these were all last year
You were saying kiddo?
Keep shilling though.
>>28322767
Preppers is fine, at least they'll tell you when a rifle is junk unlike Atlantic who still willingly sell IO Inc rifles.
>>28322780
>more anecdotal evidence
>implying they can't produce lemons too
Let me guess your WASR is the greatest AK ever and it only costs so much? You're gonna need a lot more than anecdotal evidence, or is that all you have?
>>28322780
>shits on kebabfag for anecdotal evidence
>literally every post is anecdotal evidence
are you retarded or trolling? hard to tell anymore
>>28322785
Sorry MB I don't own a WASR.
And I don't even hate Arsenals, I just wish they would quit letting shit rifles go through their non existent quality control.
For their premium pricing, you should get a defect free rifle.
>>28322609
What's wrong with the Zastava m70s?
I've had zero problems out of my opap even on a steady diet of shitty dirty tula
>>28322793
Everyone makes a defective product, even some custom makers. If you aren't checking your AK, any AK, before purchase then its not the fault of the manufacturer because Boris showed up to work drunk and slapped shit together that day. That's something the end user should be verifying. Do you buy a car without testing it? I surely hope not. For premium pricing you had better be checking for defects.
>>28322785
It is funny how you defend them to the death though.
Why is that?
I notice you don't post in the /akg/ anymore, is that because all the poorfag rifles, or the ZenitCo ones that put your, albeit very dope, plum Arsenal to shame?
No need to hide your shit.
Let's see some of your stuff from "back home" in Bosnia.
I'd love for you to actually produce some OC instead of merely shitposting and shilling.
>>28322803
Fair enough, but if you are expecting and paying for a premium product and don't receive one, the customer service should be there to back up said product.
I wouldn't expect Arsenal's non existent "customer service" to be of any help, should some unknowing AK buyer get a fucked up rifle.
>>28322806
My arsenal is awesome, it calls for my defense. I made like half a dozen posts in AKg and then realized it was just the same people talking about the same shit. I just got back in November, next time I go I'll take pictures of my OSA and an rgd.
>>28322813
Yes they should be there to back up your product which is exactly why I got free lifetime warranty from the distributor that way if it needs replacing its done by my LGS and their distributor rather than dealing with Arsenal. It's just how the business works.
On the subject of CS, S&W has amazing CS.
>>28322785
How the fuck is anyone going to provide anything other than anecdotal evidence? Even a video review is anecdotal evidence.
A bunch of user reviews is the best you'll get.
>>28322825
I provided my experience at which point anon said it was anecdotal then proceeded to base his argument around the same principle, scroll up
>>28322716
isnt it 10rnd for ranges and tournaments and 3rnd for hunting?
>>28322836
indeed but as you can see i am clearly neither hunting nor on the range, this is a legal grey area.
>>28322818
Both those are the same guy BTW.
Just want you to know who you're talking to.
/akg/ is fairly repetitive, but that doesn't mean you can't lend some knowledge to the freshbloods.
You do seem to know quite a bit (or can fake it fairly well) about AKs, and I only give you shit because I know you're more than willing to dish it back.
Really though, Arsenal's QC has taken a dip and it's been showing.
Who did you get you rifle through; that gave you a lifetime guarantee?
A LGS?
>>28322832
But multiple experiences becomes more than anecdotal, it starts to be proven.
That's what the scientific method is, multiple experiences, shown over time.
>Ask a Question
>Do Background Research
>Construct a Hypothesis
>Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
>Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
>Communicate Your Results
So if multiple times it been shown to be true, doesn't that make it more than anecdotal?
>>28322706
In Germany, magazines are not a legally relevant gun part, 100 round drum-mags can be bought by a toddler.
Restrictions only apply if you use the gun for a sporting event, 10 rounds or hunting, 2 rounds.
Using larger mags for pinking is fine .. unless the range is run by extreme fudds.
>>28322850
Yeah I'll drop in again. I'm young but have had AKs for close to a decade now, and no point in being here if you can't deal with the bantz. I've been shooting AKs since I was 7 so close to 20 years now I got my lifetime through my LGS distributor, they go through Davidson's I believe.
>>28322854
It could be proof if it was representative of a certain sample.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence#Scientific_context
>>28322836
For hunting you need a 2 round mag.
Hunters are allowed to buy as many long guns including SBRs (over 60cm collapsed) as they like.. but they have to come with a 2 round magazine.
So a hunting AK, would be sold with bit of plywood stuffed into the mag, making it a hunting rifle, removing the limitation is legal, but you'll have to put it back in for hunting.
>>28322845
ahh, ty
>>28322910
np always happy to answer questions about german gun laws
>>28322566
when will this dank new meme end?
>>28322990
When WASR stops being referred to as What A Shitty Rifle.
>so, not anytime soon.
The memes never end, anon.
>>28322990
When gullible nogunz stop parroting it. So in about a week when they forget and move on to shitting on sonething else.
>>28323027
WASRs have been good for years now, but you're still better off with a premium AK, iv8888 does a nice melt test and a VEPR BTFOs the WASR.
>>28323036
>WASRs have been good for years now
I'm aware, that doesn't stop people from still thinking they're bad.
Those same retards then go buy the RAS47, and say it's way better.
Kek
I have a Florida-made IO and that thing is a tack driver. Couldn't be happier with it.
>>28323055
>US Made barrels
>EVER
Every time.
>>28323109
Until it explodes, IO has very bad habits and is one of the worst builders at this point
>>28323055
The RAS is actually trash, WASRs only were because century is retarded as fuck, WASRs were one of the main AKs used in the Balkans and they were fine there
>>28323122
I've put about a thousand rounds through it and it shows no signs of any sort of problem. Never even a hiccup.
I think the stuff IO made in North Carolina was fucked because their production staff were... well, they were in North Carolina. That place is what would happen if you lobbed a bag of crank into a chimpanzee cage. But is haven't heard anything bad about the stuff they've made since moving to Florida.
Of course, this is the internet. IO could spend the next 100 years cranking out perfect guns and there would still be basement dwellers who have never even seen an IO product saying "Hurr, durr! Bad guns, hurr durr!".
>>28323109
I've got an IO too. They're over-gassed and the bolt carrier is designed wrong. The combination of the two will cause them to fail if it's fired without a recoil buffer installed. They also deviate from the AK design in a few other places but I wouldn't know if that compromises the rifle at all. That being said though, with a recoil buffer I've never had any issue at all.
Just got a high power recoil spring installed to help with the over gassing but I haven't been able to take it out to the range yet
>>28323120
It's not the barrel that's the issue.
It's the shitty korean cast trunnions.
>>28323146
You're only 1k in, that's nothing, but you're right about the internet.
>>28322961
are you german?
>>28322108
China.
>>28323599
norinco ? i hate Type56-1s
>>28323817
>28323599
i have not hate
>>28323817
it's a norinco mak-90
What's with all of these American AK producers and their "muh tighter tolerances!".
Part of what makes the AK so reliable is that things aren't jammed tight against each other.
>>28322990
When Arsenal gets it's shit together maybe?
>>28323925
Yep. The same thing that happened to 1911s is happening to AKs
>>28322600
>you, the home builder.
kek
>>28322600
I'm flattered, anon but I think you overestimate my abilities.
>>28322108
To anyone who thinks IO is anything more than the scummiest, lowest quality manufacturer to currently exist, then just watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCFfKqqSHXA
IO is terrible, funny stuff starts at about 3:00.
>>28322108
DDI, Definitive Arms.
No reason to pay the premium for arsenal anymore.
>>28324924
>definitive arms
>a premium for an arsenal
They cost the same, stop shilling
>>28324924
My bad, I was referring to DDI with that last statement. Should have made it more clear.
>>28322700
this. all they do is buy part kits and put them together with US made parts (usually at least barrel and receiver). you idiots dropped $1,800 on Arsenal AK's are insane.
>>28323582
yes, are you?
>>28325076
yes, but noguns.
i sometimes visit the range with someone i know and am thinking of getting a wbk in the future
just not sure i should go the way via my range or do a jagdschein
the range 2km from my home is only a pistol/shotgun range, but they also have a rifle range at another location
>>28322108
If you have a file and a drill you can get a vepr and convert it to look like a standard ak.takes all mags and better quality , just takes a bit to make it look like a AK.really easy all you'll need is wood for a ak , screw on retainer , AK gas tube , rear stock adapter and a bullet guide.
I'm between an HK93 clone and an AKM for my next rifle, looking to spend around 700ish, maybe a bit more. What is a solid model in that range?
>>28325669
WASR is a great starter AK. I'm much less familar with the HK variants but PTR makes some good stuff.
Are polish parts kits any good?
Ive heard good things and really want to build my own rifle
>>28322739
go away you stupid fucking tripfag sandnigger
>>28323925
>>28324486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR7N2RpacJY
>>28326166
>muh sandnigger
Nope
>>28322609
I find it funny that in the US Norico 56's are considered ok or good, and have almost a cult following.
Here in Finland they are considered bottom of the barrel shittiest of the shit -tier. In the 90s they were popular because they were cheap but nowadays the only reason to get one is nostalgia. They are so bad it's kind of a meme in the shooting community.
