Ultimate 9mm
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Prove me wrong, Friendo.
>>28312071
In a world of SBRs who cares.
They made a trigger that isn't laughable bad yet?
>>28312093
Hey /k ask me how I know this guy never even held one.
>>28312119
How do you know OP is a faggot?
>>28312119
Fuck off fag
>>28312651
Cuz I fucked your mom.
>>28312071
"Jeremy it degenerated"
"I knew it would"
>>28313023
sad it's over
>>28312071
>own this as a US civilian
>need sbr stamp
>need NFA full auto procedure'
>for 9mm
From its PDW armor-piercing, fully auto perspective, then it's actually useful, but from a US civilian one, it's completely pointless.
>>28312071
Unless you just want to have an SBR the Beretta CX4 is the better way to go.
>>28312071
Too big for CC.
The only acceptable 9mm sub gun.
>>28312071
>simple blowback
>>28312071
ok then
>>28312071
There's no point to a 9mm submachine gun that's semi automatic. Considering it as automatic though, assault rifles give better range and accuracy, pistols give better close quarters maneuvering at the same damage, and even if it had some shred of advantage and full auto it still doesn't do anything other submachine guns have been doing the same for years. Czechoslovakia basically built the thing because they wanted their own mp5 without EU bitching about stealing designs, then they marketed it a bit more to the civilian market by placing common additions that aren't special at all on it, making it look futuristic.
Personally I can't find a reason to buy something like that though, a submachine gun without full auto or burst fire defeats the very purpose of one, and thusly is pointless.
>>28313887
Why do I get the feeling you have NO actual experience in combat and are basing your examinations on Cowadoody?
>>28313887
Why do I get the feeling you've never shot a pistol caliber carbine or any subgun?
>>28313883
So you posted someone poorly treating their firearm as a way of scaring off op?
>>28313883
Without any reference this picture is meaningless.
>>28313927
quoting The other czechfag from thread we had a while ago
>>The plastic is high quality polymer.
>So high quality it warps over time and anything you mounted on it comes loose. The folder will break off when you drop the gun, too.
>Oh, and try not dropping the mags, either. On anything, not even gravel, unless you want to say goodbye to the feed lips.
he's an armourer in czech military
scorpion and bren are dogshit and you should know better
>>28312071
>>28313887
>burst fire
>useful ever
Is the new Skorpion a hardened combat weapon or just a fancy range toy?
>>28312071
Whats with the pistol grip, why are there gaps
>>28313844
I plan to get one of those Turkish copies soon. mitebcool
>>28312071
No.
>>28314028
I wanted one until I learned that it is nothing but a glorified gas piston AR pistol in 9mm.
>>28314075
In a world chock full of straight blowback 9mm SMGs that's a great thing.
All guns are just pneumatic pistons and tunable. Takes some time around them but I can/could. Just have to keep things oils of needed, maintained. More complicated doesn't worry me That much unless it fail my stress tests. Work it in, see where it sits.
>>28314085
Not saying that the gas piston is a bad thing. The MPX just isn't really anything special. Also, being a gas piston AR I don't want trash being blown into my face when I put a suppressor on it.
>ultimate 9mm smg
don't mind me lads, just coming through
>>28313957
Not that anon but Insurgency taught me 3 round burst in CQC was effective as fuck at putting niggas down.
Shalom Aleichem, Chaverim
>>28313964
It's curved at the back end so it kinda looks like a gap but it's flush.
oh Hello goy :)
>>28314225
Hello Jakub. How's the weather in the oven?
I'm always confused on the subject of these guns.
At what point do they stop being "pistols" and become SBRs?
>>28314257
When you add a shoulder stock. For Americans at least.
>>28314257
When they get a stock put on them.
Basically, the reason there for this whole bullshit is a thing is because the original NFA draft also included pistols, but they were exempted from the regulation when the antis found a last bit of reason in their brains and realized that there would be backlash if they came for grandpas revolvers.
>>28314257
when they get a stock
>>28314191
achtually, two rounds with the UMP-45 seems to be the best, but I don't like using the burst fire mode at all, just leave it on auto full-time and single tap two rounds to fuck shit up at a distance
> Czechnology
> Good
Literal meme designs made into literal meme guns from a literal meme country
best 9mm
all of them
>>28313969
Do it friend. They're pretty nice.
>>28314176
But the MPX is specifically designed to stop gasses from going into your face.
>>28314494
And it fails miserably like all things SIG.
>>28314511
You're countering facts with opinions.
Yeah buy the mpx is a heavy ass brick
>>28314360
>not liking based Czech Republic
Wew, lad
>>28312071
>>28314519
Boy, you'd shit yourself with effort if you had to lug my PTR-91 around.
>>28314494
I wish this guy was wrong: >>28314511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS0rEazh1kI
Just skip to the part where he throws a suppressor on it.
>>28314191
>>28314313
>using anything but M1 carabine
M1 is love, M1 is life
>>28312079
>>28313354
>>28313633
>>28313887
So autistic you can't find a reason to purchase a firearm other than as a tool.
>>28312071
I raise you 1 afghan black market hk look alike, I've personally had two over there, complete trash but fun when you make it full auto
>>28313887
>at the same damage
didnt your mom tell you to go clean up wrapping paper and hour ago
>>28314625
The dude offering it wants 1500, probably took it off of dead taliban... I could only laugh. glock 18 is 2k real prize will be an aks74u cost around 700 but hard to locate.
>>28314583
>2 points of contact vs 4
>>28314625
>>28314664
WTF is this?
>>28312071
if you want something that size with that type of bullets and can't get it in full auto, might as well get a rifle
>>28314707
>>28314726
A simple blowback semi auto pistol normally chambered in 9mm easily changed to be full auto horible piece of shit made in pakistan. But fun to shoot
>>28314773
Oh God
This is dumb as fuck, but I'll probably end up buying and SBRing an Evo and an MPX.
>>28314075
I thought the same thing, but the MPX has a clean look compared to a 9mm AR.
I like the Evo but it requires a 922r kit to SBR and adapter to mount a suppressor.
>>28314848
Nvm, just saw on MACs video that the MPX requires an adapter also, thought I saw otherwise. Also the 922r kit comes with what's in OPs pic, I like the grip and stock it comes with vs just an AR buffer tube. Ultimately, what I like most about the Evo
>dat H&K slap
>>28312071
>>28314918
>>28314924
>>28313883
>philips screws visible under the top rail in top right picture
What the hell is going on there?
>>28314928
Sentry gun mode where?
>>28313953
Now this, this I want!
>>28314436
>supporting the turks
>any point in time
No
>>28314511
Not so, the pistols they make are pretty great. They should stop trying to make rifles in the states, though.
>>28315304
It's airshit. The stock plate is metal on the real thing and the one in the pic is airshit immitation.
>>28315621
I was wondering if it was airsoft but looking it up all the airsoft ones have more than one selector lever position.
>not using a proven design that has been putting holes in heads ever since the 60's
>using a piece of shit made by corrupt motherfuckers that bribed the czech military to adopt the bren 805
kek'd tbqh, come back to me when your gun has some form of a legacy and isn't late to the party.
>>28314773
Endo Tactical should consider taking at least a few days off.
>>28312071
How is it better than an MP5A4
>>28315763
it isn't
>>28315763
>>28315955
the price tag
>>28316004
>cares about price
>buys a gimmick
>>28312071
Fuck this question, I'm dying for a purpose built 10mm carbine. I'm tired of only coming up with Glock conversion kits.
>>28316064
>I'm dying for a purpose built 10mm carbine
Here you go famo
>>28316047
Yes, I care about the price you fucking aids ridden nog
>>28313633
>>28312071
This.
OP, why even bother?
>>28316140
Also, if you want a rifle in 9mm, why the FUCK would you get something with such a stupidly short barrel?
A 16" barrel is going to give you an extra ~200 fps with federal fmj.
A 7" is barely going to get an extra 90fps.
Fuck, even SBRing my storm would give better performance, and it's a cheaper gun.
the scorpion isn't the ultimate anything, aside form cool range toy.
>>28313887
Nigger, 9mm carbines have essentially no recoil, can be relies on to 100-200 meter ranges, and for home defense, won't over penetrate much and cab be aimed and fired accurately* with one hand while shoving an attacker back or family out of the line of fire with your off hand.
Easy to suppress, too, and it's not uncommon for people to SBR them.
If DA REVOLUTION happens, expect to see politicians and police killed by people hauling storms, scorpions, or even keltecs and hipoints in laptop bags.
*down a hall, at center mass
>>28316185
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtkuVzbgD98
Agreed.
Get one for your girlfriend or to have for a brush gun.
>>28314623
>Implying that's not the best way to look at things.
And yet throughout the world the 9mm SMG is snubbed in favor of short barreled rifles in 5.56.
>>28316185
>9mm carbines have essentially no recoil
More recoil than 5.56 and 7.62x39 due to blowback
>can be relies on to 100-200 meter ranges
~32acp level of energy out of a carbine
>cab be aimed and fired accurately* with one hand while shoving an attacker back or family out of the line of fire with your off hand.
Literally every SBR
>Easy to suppress
300blk and 7.62x39
>not uncommon for people to SBR them.
SBR AK's and ARs are much more common
>If DA REVOLUTION happens, expect to see politicians and police killed by people hauling storms, scorpions, or even keltecs and hipoints in laptop bags.
Only one of the listed unicorns and snowflakes fit's in a laptop bag without a stock
>>28316064
well there are companies that make 10mm ARs
>>28314848
>>28314897
The 2016 version of the evo will be threaded in 1/2x28
>>28316158
no it wouldn't
![4e310abb4e4331ebbafb04e3021d7791[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/5jdPuXF.png "4e310abb4e4331ebbafb04e3021d7791[1].png")
>>28316371
Forgot your hat.
>>28316371
>I need a rifle that if I fire in my home in a defense situation, isn't going to be akin to flashbanging myself.
9mm carbine.
>>28316353
Because militaries actually encounter terrain and situations in which 9mm is completely useless, and as such, have massive stocks of 5.56 rifles, ammunition, magazines, and trained shooters.
If all your infrastructure is centered around one thing, you don't grab a weapon in a different caliber when the shit you already have can fill a similar role.
>>28316371
>Only one of the listed unicorns and snowflakes fit's in a laptop bag without a stock
One anon already posted a video of an SBR'd storm being carried in a bag, and the keltech folds in half.
>>28316396
Yes it would. 9mm gains from having a longer barrel.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html
The differences aren't usually huge, but they're present.
>>28316428
I agree with you? The 9mm is useless in many situations. Hence.. why would you spend money on a 9mm sbr when you could do a 5.56?
>>28316447
Because you want significantly less hearing damage when you waste the creep climbing in your daughters window, and another plus is it didn't pass through him and kill the neighbors dog.
>>28316428
most velocity the barrel gains are actually lost by the straight blowback action of most SMGs
since the action opens immediately a great amount of gas pressure escapes out the back
>>28316094
So you put a price on your safety and the safety of your loved ones?
>>28316475
>Hearing damage
you'll be fine once or twice.
>penetration
What is modern manufactured rounds that fragment in body tissue. What year do you think it is? 1990?
>>28313887
this guy owns 0 guns
>>28314610
>not the FAL with extendo and foregrip
>>28316447
Because it's serviceable for every situation anyone not in the military is likely to encounter, and has a number of advantages?
How is this hard to figure out?
If you're not expecting to engage in maneuver warfare, you really shouldn't be choosing rilfes or calibers based purely on
>"BUT DA MILITARY"
>Are you likely to engage targets outside of the effective range of a 9mm carbine?
The answer is almost certainly no, unless you are planning for armed conflict, don't live in a city or developed area, and are in a part of the world that tends to be either mountainous or flat.
>are you likely to engage threats in soft armor, but not rifle plates?
If yes, you fucked up. Hard.
Outside of these two scenarios, 9mm has plenty of advantages, but the choice should come down to what you shoot better with and can acquire.
>>28316488
>it's lost
Hickok actually test this and finds that, yes, his storm is getting somewhere around an extra 200fps.
Additionally, the second chart shows real world weapons tests and lists the barrel lengths.
to sum it up-you're wrong.
A 92fs with 4.25" and a Steyr
S9 with 3.6" are used, and the difference between them and the carbines with 16" barrels is considerable.
Gains vary from round to round, of course.
Unless you're speaking in theory, and are trying to tell me that a better action would result in more gains. Sure. Doesn't change that a longer barrel helps.
>>28316492
>fine once or twice
Fuck, you're a retard.
First, no. Hearing damage is cumulative. You don't flip a switch from fine to deaf when you've had X number of decibels thrown at you over the course of you life.
Second, no, because being robbed of one of your senses in a fight is FUCKING BAD.
>>28316428
Best case scenario from going from a 5" barrel to a 16" barrel gets you 201 feet per second at the muzzle
That drops off fast when shooting out of a SBR
>>28316558
>If you're not expecting to engage in maneuver warfare, you really shouldn't be choosing rilfes or calibers based purely on "BUT DA MILITARY"
Not a terribly concise argument. Lots of people dead from the MK18 Mod 0-1 / M4A1 CQB. Much better wounding characteristics than the 9mm.
>>28316558
If you are shooting in a dark building without earpro, it will fuck with your ears. As for the flash, you just need to get a good flash hider.
>>28316831
Sks slam fired 5 rounds indoors, not loud at all, was very suprised in a few ways.
>>28316447
Because you're not a military, and most ARs (or any 5.56 worth having) ends up costing 1/3rd more than a 9mm carbine after a sight and a stock to make the AR worth shooting.
>>28316935
5.56 hurts your sinuses and makes you effectively deaf for a few hours. 12ga pushes your eyes into their sockets a little.
>>28316976
AK pistols currently go for around $450
Storms and Evo's currently go for around $800
SBR costs being the same, you have the option to get a SB47 to give an ak pistol a cheek weld, and can eliminate the muzzle flash with a bulgy four piece flash hider/booster
>>28315375
The pikachu with a hat or the gun?
>>28312071
There you go.
>>28316558
of course a longer barrel helps
and nobody disputes that a 16" barrel gives you a higher velocity than a 5" barrel
but the topic was SBRing a 16" barrel down to whatever
and that's where the straight blowback design comes into play so you could end up having an SBR rifle with less velocity than a pistol at the same barrel lengths
>>28316371
>more recoil than 5.56
This puzzles me because I feel less recoil from my CX4 in .40S&W than I do from my Sig 556XI. I would assume the 9mm CX4 would have even less recoil.
>>28318349
He's full of shit. My mac 11 pistol is a bit more controllable than my SKS despite lacking a stock.
>>28316394
Good, I almost made an impulse buy on an MPX a couple weeks ago.
>>28319043
You may rethink that after seeing >>28313883
>>28313883
>b-b-but muh checknologee xdd
>>28319101
Well, my point was I'd to wait to get an MPX when they change the threads. In any case I have an Evo set aside being bought with money basicslly being given to me, so I'll form my own opinions, but the majority outside of this thread are favorable.
>>28314623
Uhhh, but that's what you do... cause that's what they are.
>>28320169
Have fun with your gun breaking and being out several hundred dollars then.
>>28313887
What about using it as a survivalist rifle? Ammo is plentiful and can be reloaded more than rifle cartridges. Nothing puts the oh shit in SHTF when you whip out your gear queered carbine on a raider.
>>28320265
>>>/v/
>>28318349
My Sub-2000 kicked more than my wasr-10 because of it's stupid bolt setup
>>28321842
That's what you get for buying a Kel-tec
>>28321852
Wanted it as a backpack gun, ended up trading it to my father for his chief special
>>28321842
>WASR-10 weight: 7lbs.
>SUB-2000 weight: 4lbs.
It probably kicked more because you're a stupid fuck who should consider posting on a different board where you might actually know what you're talking about. Like /mlp/ or /hm/.
>>28315807
The DOE Subgun is an instant Boner Exploder, such a cool and obscure little shit.
>>28321899
So obviously the HCAR at 12lbs is lighter recoiling than the WASR-10 at 7lbs
>>28321932
All other factors being equal, yes, it would be.
>>28315703
>Legacy
Is this what Amerilards are using as an excuse for the AR-15 now?
>>28316353
Short barrels are the worst thing you could do to a 5.56, shit's depressing.
>>28313844
MP5s are great, but not the only good 9mm subs
I have a question for /k/. I will be turning 21 soon and plan to get my CHL. Is there any type of handgun you would recommend I get? Pricing isn't an issue for me.
>>28324126
7.7lbs for a 9mm with a 10" barrel
