after adding up all the tools plus shipping+transfer for lower, youre better off buying a complete lower with a complete upper of your choice. unless im wrong somewhere?
Nope, you're right. I did it because I assemble lowers for my buddies all the time, so I'm saving them money so they can get in the game with me.
>>28298461
You're correct until you hit the 1000+ range.
>tools
I'm laughing at you.
>>28298461
from what i have heard complete lowers have serial numbers, 80% lowers do not, whether this is important or not is up to you
>>28298461
>unless im wrong somewhere?
Where the FUCK are you finding a complete rifle for $400?
>>28298478
No, No, no, you're wrong, nope, and are you an idiot?
hell no. retailers and gun stores love to add a markup to rape you for prices. most places have the opportunity to add to the price because stupid fudds will pay because they don't know how to assess value and market prices. don't be one of those people. if you look hard enough, you will find cheaper prices.
>>28298461
It's cheaper when you want specifics, and you want certain brand name quality.
A BCM upper & PSA lower can be about $700 max, and you'll get your barrel of preference, and a quality BCG & charging handle.
Complete lower are good until you want flared magwells and shit. Then you gotta think first before you buy.
Of course it costs more. But you now have the tools and knowledge to build another, and even if you don't know know your own weapon inside out.
>>28298480
>This man has actually done this before
>>28298461
>youre better off buying a complete lower with a complete upper of your choice.
>>28298478
>You're correct
>>28298472
>Nope, you're right.
These guys suck at finding deals.
>>28298507
>$400 AR
>fucking anything of quality
Pick one.
>>28298545
>have the tools
What fucking tools?
>>28298548
No, I just have standards.
>>28298550
>Anderson lower
>PSA budget lower build kit
>PSA Freedom complete upper on one of the hundreds of sales they have every year with free shipping
There, millspec fucking rifle.
>>28298561
Did you assemble yours with your bare hands?
>>28298592
On my first AR I used literally two sticks.
>>28298592
Channel locks and a screwdriver. Took me twenty minutes.
>>28298563
>Going to buy a complete rifle for "Less than building one" and expect anything but a going out of business sale on DPMS
>>28298623
>>Going to buy a complete rifle for "Less than building one" and expect anything but a going out of business sale on DPMS
I was more implying that a $400 AR is going to be a piece of shit not worth owning and that ~7-800 is a much better price range.
>>28298722
I own a $400 PSA/Anderson build. I can drill 8" gongs at 300 and it has never malfunctioned (When I had the mag in all the way)
>>28298744
>drill 8" gongs at 300
Is that supposed to be impressive?
>>28298763
Standing with irons? It shows the gun doesn't suck like you think it does.
I assembled mine over a half a year while lurking for sales and deals, on each part. In the end, I've spent about $700 and ended up with a kind of mil spec A4gery, except for some 4lb trigger springs and one of those neat nickel boron BCGs. So if you patient, and lurk around and find your inner merchant, I'm sure you can end up spending less in the long run.
>>28298774
That's a bare minimum of about 2.5MOA not benchresting for precision.
I'd say that's pretty good.
>>28298899
That says more to shooting skills than any actual quality of the weapon
>>28298899
That just means his form isn't shit.
>>28298899
>2.5MOA
Unsurprisingly that's the garbage a $400 budget build gets you.
Buy once cry once, pay for a quality product made by a factory and don't cut corners with a $400 kitchen build.
>>28299131
>I don't know how to read
>>28299586
The fuck are you talking about? You pay $400 for a kitchen build you hack together from budget parts you get shit performance, simple.
>>28298579
>Anderson lower
>no lube gimmick
>Milspec
>PSA Freedom
>no chrome lining
>stainless steel barrel
>16 inch
>milspec
Wat
Wait, I've not looked into building an ar much because i thought you need some special fucking tools and a bench vise.
You mean to tell me i can got to PSA, buy a "complete" lower for $150 a ""complete" upper for $250 and essentially just... mash them together, like legos, and have a usable, working AR?
>>28299923
After taxes it's a bit more, but yeah if you get a complete upper and lower you just pin em together. Literally two pins hold the upper with the lower.
>>28298461
The BCG, barrel, bench vice, and torque wrench are the most expensive parts and tools of building your own ARs. The bench vice is actually not too bad and every man should own one of them, and a torque wrench.
>>28299930
Jesus Christ. I'm fucking retarded. For damn near years now I've thought you either had to be equipped with extensive tools and knowledge to be able to piece together your own AR or be a lazy faggot and buy a fully assembled weapon. Never realized until now that i could just buy to parts and put them together.
Fuck buying some cheap shit. I could theoretically buy a complete $1,000 upper and a cheapo $150 lower and, bam, rifle? Then buy a better lower later on?
>>28298548
Factoring in cost of tools (which if you don't have any, can easily be over $300) the "deals" would have to pretty much be free parts.
OP is talking about building your AR, not putting the easiest parts together then ordering a fucking upper you worthless fags.
miracles and luck happens, but dont pass on your stupidity to others where they fuck up their rifles following your terrible advice.
>>28299923
This is by far the coolest thing about ARs, and why they call them the Lego gun.
I built my first using nothing but a torque wrench, a vise, a screwdriver, a hammer and some punches. And I probably could've gone without the punches.
I don't know of any other rifle that you can buy as a parts kit that doesn't require riveting, welding, or both in order to complete. Both of which require specialized shit that the average white-collar desk schmoe doesn't have sitting around.
>>28299992
Yeah, like >>28300032 said, it's the best feature about the AR. Simple tools to put it together and take it apart, fuckloads of aftermarket pieces you can optimize towards what you specifically want, and you can buy em at your own pace.
>>28299996
>which if you don't have any, can easily be over $300
Hey guys! I found the fucking retard that has never built out a stripped lower!
>>28299996
What fuckin' tools? You seriously don't need a single tool that isn't in like every single person's garage/toolshed/ already.
Yeah, I get that some people are poorfags and live in one bedroom apartments with nothing but a computer and a mattress in them, but here's an idea:
>knock knock
>howdy neighbor, can I borrow a hammer, a wrench, and a screwdriver for a few hours?
>yeah I'm putting some furniture together
>thanks!
I've never had someone say no to a reasonable request like that... if you're not white maybe your mileage will vary
>>28299923
They slide together and two pins snap into place with your fingers.
>>28300047
>>28300032
>>28299930
Thanks y'all for educating a poor ignorant dumbass like myself. I think I'll take the $800 I was gonna spend on another pistol and fine me a complete upper instead
>>28300087
Go to PSA, DO NOT BUY ANYTHING NAMED PTAC
I own 6 complete ar15'$
Apart from the last one I bought used from a friend, I built every lower with the tools I have in my house. I even have swapped out barrels & upper receivers with some of the "special" tools needed for such high jinx.
It really is quite easy and not nearly as expensive as buying a higher end complete firearm imo
But for the inexperienced, I recommend buying a dropped lower & parts kit, with a decent trigger, and a separate complete upper, unless you want an odd configuration.
>>28300144
Old pic
https://youtu.be/glk1qMbj7S0
>>28300087
Go to Youtube, look up "how to build an AR"
>>28299996
its only going to approach that cost if you are building off an 80
assembling a stripped lower into a complete lower can be done with a screwdriver vicegrips and punches thats like 20 bucks in tools total
>>28300203
Lol, seeing the ground up vid isn't much less intimidating for the uninitiated. Especially when every one of these fucks is just trying to market their "super special proprietary tool" which is totally required and necessary and you can't possibly assemble an AR without
>>28298461
>adding up all the tools
A single punch and a weird wrench thing. That's literally all you need, and you can probably wing it without either. Once you add them up, it come out to like a whopping $30 at most.
>build more than one
/thread
Fucking moron faggot retard
>>28299737
2.5 MOA from a semi-auto for $400?
That's not "shit", you autistic dumbass.
You probably have trouble hitting 2.5 MOA with anything OVER $1200
>>28300066
>He doesn't have $300 worth of hammers, wrenches, and screwdrivers for putting together his AR kits
Look at THIS loser!
>>28299737
2.5MOA -try and follow along here- MINIMUM.
From offhand shooting.
Not testing for precision.
Meaning the rifle is not 2.5MOA, it is 2.5MOA at absolute worst and is very likely far more consistent than that when put through its paces.
>>28300303
so how did you get the barrel on with a single punch and a wrench? I'm guessing proper torque is overrated?
>>28300144
This. I have... Lets see now... Nine ARs now, all of which I've built myself including 80% builds.
Everything from basic bitch carbine to gucci as fuck SBRs. Plan out exactly what you want first and go from there.
>>28300703
You realize the tolerances for barrel nut torque is as loose as a five cent whore on nickel night, right?
>>28299996
>tools needed to build an AR
>easily be over $300
Ahahahaha, fucking what?
>>28300730
It's still cheap and stupid easy to get a vice, bolt it down to something and drop in a set of vice blocks. You spend about $50 for all of that, not counting a cheap armorer's wrench and a $5 can of auto grease for the barrel nut threads.
>not wanting more control over your rifle
>>28300753
Every man alive should have all those tools already, but that goes without saying.
>>28300731
- Router or drill press
- Vice
- Jig
- Drill bits
>>28298461
>after adding up all the tools
How do you not have a hammer and some punches on hand? There's half your shit right there, and the rest will run you another $50 or so.
>plus shipping+transfer for lower
That's, what, $30, $40?
>unless im wrong somewhere
You are, don't worry. Unless you love bottom-of-the-barrel prebuilds.
>>28300869
Ah yes, I forgot we were all limited to 80% lowers.
>>28298461
Don't assemble it all in one shot dip shit
Use it as a year long project
Wait for various sales and events
Also, use slickguns and arpartsfinder
>>28300890
I'm pretty sure that was the point of the thread, numbnuts.
>"building" an AR from all finished parts
What's the fucking point? If you're going to build anything you should go the no 4473 route or go home.
>>28298592
mihail did and look what it came
>>28300903
>80% lower
>"transfer"
You're just too smart for me, anon.
>What's the fucking point?
This is where I question your status as a gun owner.
>If you're going to build anything you should go the no 4473 route or go home.
Why? Is customization and not wasting money a foreign concept in whatever unfortunate place you hail from?
>>28300903
The point is you buy each piece you want with no redundant parts to replace.
>>28298763
Not him, but yes, that's fairly impressive. It's like getting a headshot at 300 yards. Proned out with at least a 4x optic, not so difficult, but any other position it's more challenging. Definitely impressive with irons.
>>28298461
>Building your own AR isnt cheaper it seems.
>>28298472
>Nope, you're right.
>>28298478
>You're correct
>>28298545
>Of course it costs more.
>>28299996
>Factoring in cost of tools (which if you don't have any, can easily be over $300) the "deals" would have to pretty much be free parts.
>MFW this level of nogunz bullshit and talking about something they don't understand and have not done.
This shit just blows my fucking mind.
it may cost a little more on the front end if you only want one rifle. but, if you plan on doing a few, it is cheaper in the long run.
>pay for tools once
>multiple item transfers on lowers
>>28301388
>pay for tools
What fucking tools?! What crazy gold plated bullshit is everyone ITT using to assemble AR's?
Before you say "Muh 80%" like a dipshit read the OP again
>>28298461
>shipping+transfer for lower
He means a stripped lower, not an 80%
this thread got pretty goaty all of a sudden...
>>28301363
>no guns
Each shit faggot. I build uppers in my garage semi professionally for extra income.
This is the second one I built 5 years ago.
>>28298461
Here is a brake down of my build. I have tools because I work on motorcycles so that cost almost nothing. I borrowed a vice block from a buddy. I took my time and bought stuff on sale, I had a very good idea of what I wanted but I was flexible about a few things. I still want to get a Burnt Bronze hand guard. Yeah you can get a cheaper ar15 but I got an matched set of uppers and lowers in work trade.
>>28301632
And which retard would you be? 1, 2, or three?
>>28301495
Embrace the goatkid
>>28301632
so what fucking tools are you using on the lower that cost 300 dollars?
>>28301684
god damn it... forgot pic
>>28300065
>>28300066
>>28300226
>>28300731
>>28301363
>what is work bench
>what is torque wrench
>what is table vice
>what are receiver blocks
>what is punch set
>what is AR armorers wrench
>why is Aeroshell grease
All things you literally need to assemble an upper for an AR that isn't a literal pile of shit.
>2 sticks
Taking the handguards on and off isn't assembling an upper dip shit
>>28301707
The rifle, I've posted it in AR threads.
>>28301715
>work bench
A $5 2x10 from Home Depot
>torque wrench
Completely unneeded
>table vice
$30 from Home Depot
>receiver blocks
$20 from Amazon
>punch set
You're a faggot for not having this to begin with, but pick up one for about $10
>Armorer's wrench
$20 from Amazon
>Aeroshell grease
Literally any kind of automotive grease you can get for $5 from a Autozone or someshit.
Oh look, it's the setup I used to build two ARs in an apartment while I was in fucking grad school. It ran me all of $80, including the armorer's wrench and vice blocks.
>>28301715
>lower
not upper
lower
>>28301771
The motherfucker said build an AR. That's upper and lower you literal retard.
>>28301715
receiver blocks are nice but a bit of leather works. you might not need an armorers wrench. I got a barrel nut "crows foot" thing with my hand guard and I used a punch to tighten the crown nut on the stock. I used axle grease on the barrel nut. But yeah if you are in the woods you need all the other stuff. But a lot of that can be borrowed.
>>28301769
Whatever. I guess I forgot where I was. Land of retards and lulz proper torque is for faggots.
>>28301788
Technically only the lower is considered the firearm, especially with an AR that is meant to be two-pin modular
And it's usually cheaper to but a completed upper then build on a stripped lower.
>Which fits the criteria of OP
You're also still retarded if you think it take more than $50 in tools to build an upper.
>>28301807
>proper torque
The window for safe torquing of a barrel nut is about as wide as your mother's cunt on a typical Tuesday afternoon. It's not uncommon for factory ARs to need over 200 lbs. to get the nut loose, and because we're dealing with forged fucking aluminum, it can take even more than that. Basic math is hard tho, I get it.
>>28301830
>technically
The fucking autism is palpable.
>>28301845
Just post this and go home, he isn't worth getting your GOAT man.
>http://www.midwayusa.com/product/491335/wheeler-engineering-delta-series-ar-15-armorers-essentials-kit
>>28298461
You can complete a lower with literally your hands and a piece of wood.
But yeah, the tools and shit to do an upper yourself are more expensive than a compete upper unless you want something oddball.
>>28301832
See
>Mcfucking kill yourself
>>28301850
>>28301863
>>28301878
Ok, $130 when not on sale, plus a torque wrench and the cost of a halfway decent work bench because I'm not going to work on my floor like a peasant and it's still over $200. Holy shit, that's like, not saving any money for a one off build like I said in the first place.
>>28301933
I'm just gonna leave you to stew in your own abject retardation and poverty and get back to shitposting in /arg/ like I usually do. Ciao, bruh.
>>28301933
>That kit is $80 everywhere online
>It COMES WITH A TORQUE WRENCH YOU BLIND NIGGER CHARLES
>You're moving goal posts and adding costs when you could just use a table.
>>28301878
>MFW fools get dunked on by Anon MilSurp combo
>>28301850
Of course not being a cheap nigga and getting an actual good torque wrench costs more, but that one is certainly adequate. But you can get a cheap, basic assembled upper for $210 or buy all parts for 190.
That tool kit is more for folks who want to customize their existing guns and assemble rifles in configurations that are rare or expensive to buy prebuilt.
>>28301953
See ya retard
>>28301970
>Dunked on
Sure, because we should all be building shitty ARs on 2x4s in our living room with shit tools and slapping cheap as fuck PSA SS uppers on them because why bother getting anything of higher quality.
>>28302022
>implying you have an ar
>implying you'd be able to tell the difference between a shit one and a nonshit one
>>28302049
I literally posted the second rifle I built here >>28301632
Isn't it your bedtime?
Duct tape and super glue.
>>28302022
Functionally, that setup does exactly what every other bench setup does for building an AR. Just accept you were wrong and move on. It's 4chan.
Also why would you assemble a lower on a 2x4?
How do you build an ar.
Help me please, I am retarded
>>28302022
>why bother getting anything of higher quality
that your mindset for literally everything else beside your optic?
>>28299814
Wtf are you talking about. A lower is a lower. So long as its in spec it doesn't really matter. PSA Premium is cheap as fuck, I got my upper dumb cheap, just wait for deals, which they have monthly. If you're not an idiot you can build a decent quality rifle for a good price off PSA.
>>28302170
See
>>28301769
>>28302251
I built that for a friend (see the first post of the thread) and that's what he wanted. He bought the optic.
Pic related is my personal rifle. KAC, Aimpoint, Magpul, AAC, and BFG. All quality.
Try again.
![WP_20151211_021[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/i4rqEYp.jpg "WP_20151211_021[2].jpg")
>>28302701
Oh for fuck's sake, at least tell me you have Geissele FCG.
>>28302801
ALG actually. Their QMS is as good as I need. Why would I pay $260 for a trigger that isn't going on a rifle for high power. I said I buy quality stuff, not that I blow money just to have a status symbol in my gun.
>>28302851
>I-I don't need that fancy Geissele FCG, i-it's just a status symbol...
>Q-quality build...
You are just precious.
>>28302801
I want that retro AR so fucking bad dude
>>28302876
Saw that coming. Weren't you going to fuck off trip fag? Are you too retarded to be able to comprehend building something out of quality materials while not just spending money needlessly? There is a middle ground between $500 barrels and $260 triggers; and a PSA freedom upper on a lower built on a 2x10.
>>28302876
Oh, I think I get it now. This is basically a, "My choice in x is better than yours because." Thing, right?
Man, gun culture really isn't any different from PC culture.
>>28302943
>>28302944
>acts like an arrogant turd over how people build their ARs
>can't handle it when his own mediocre choices are made clear
Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk, son. You have a perfectly fine 6/10 build. Be happy.
>>28302876
>>28302980
Try again faggot
>>28302980
You're replying to two different people.
But yeah, it's rather obvious what's going on here.
>>28302989
Kek.
>>28302991
> it's rather obvious what's going on here
Yeah, you're salty as shit after being goaded into pulling a "It's good enough for me!!1" like some Olight 'tard trashing on Surefire right after thinking you were hot shit for spending $300 on an upper building setup.
>>28302991 is not me you retard.
>>28303003
>>28303010
It's hard for me to tell two raging povertyfag 'sperganons apart from one another, sue me.
>>28303003
Having standards above building your upper with improper tolerances with real tools instead of on my floor with a piece of wood is thinking I'm hot shit...
>>28303017
>you're poor
>you spent too much money
Pick one
>>28302022
>>28302851
Fucking hypocrite
>>28303003
So yes, instead of coming up with a good reason for why your trigger is necessary for a quality build you will continue to just act like a sperg.
>>2830304>>28303046
>wanting to build rifle with proper tools
>not wanting to overspend on a trigger
That makes me a hypocrite how?
>>28303041
>improper tolerances
For someone who supposedly makes uppers for people, you're sure ignorant about how an AR barrel is mated to an upper. Maybe put that money for your sexy work bench into a good trigger next time?
>poor people can't spend too much on anything
Bruh, don't make me explain how this is dumb.
Come on, you got a decent, mediocre rifle. Nothing to be ashamed about. I'm sure your polished mil-spec FCG is just great and perfectly suited for someone of your elevated tastes.
>>28303051
>why is a Geissele FCG necessary for a quality build
If you're going for quality, why not get the best trigger out there? Not like triggers are important anything though, amiright?
>>28303083
If I'm going for quality I could get the best everything out there.
There's an obvious difference between what's needed and what's overkill.
>>28303063
Explain in detail how one stable mounting surface for a vice will directly impact the quality of the product in comparison to that used on another stable mounting surface.
>>28303094
>There's an obvious difference between what's needed and what's overkill
Considering what started this little circus, that post is hilarious.
>>28303106
So instead of justifying your position you are now trying to say that some other guy's position makes mine ironic.
You are just golden.
>>28303075
>wanting a solid work surface with storage is a "sexy work bench"
>under or over torquing the barrel nut which mates the barrel to the receiver is not incorrect tolerances
Just admit you like to nigger rig shit because you're poor and can't afford the tools/space to do the job right, I'm sure it perfectly suits you. >>28303083
For an M4gery, no it doesn't matter. It was personal taste.
>>28303097
A stable working surface is more ergonomic and easier on my tools. That way I'm not wasting effort torquing a barrel nut, or bending the shitty wrenches Daniel Defense insists on using for their rails. It also means no slipping and scratching the rifle I'm being paid to assemble, or tearing the teeth off of barrel nuts (making them harder to remove later).
>>28303106
Still not me. Trip fags are fucking stupid as shit.
>>28303124
What's your position? Your "position" revolves entirely around subjective cost/benefit ratios and what you personally deem "overkill."
>>28303075
>For someone who supposedly makes uppers for people, you're sure ignorant about how an AR barrel is mated to an upper.
>not knowing an under torqued barrel nut can lead to head space problems because the barrel is able to move under pressure.
>>28303134
Stop projecting, genius.
We were discussing your expensive trigger and why it's necessary for a quality build.
So, why is it necessary?
>>28303134
>pot, meet kettle
What have you been doing this whole fucking time saying spending $300 on tools is too much you San Francisco - tier faggot?
>>28303126
>>under or over torquing the barrel nut
You're still spewing shit you don't understand. What part of wide tolerances are you not getting?
> It was personal taste.
Kekaroon.
>more ergonomic and easier on my tools
>I'm not wasting effort torquing
>shit pertaining to other peoples' product
Aight, so you're saying it's literally just a slight convenience that is in no way needed like you originally said? Like, in direct contradiction to >>28301715 and further invalidates your claim that you needed over $300 in tools to build an AR? You're smurt, anon.
>Still not me.
That doesn't matter, it's funny as shit that this is being brought up in the current discussion. And anons wonder why I stopped trying.
Holy shit, every single Anderson lower is out of stock right now.
>>28303167
>30-90ft-lbs of torque is the standard range for a mil spec rifle
>other manufacturers have tighter tolerance ranges
>not understanding that people will under torque their nut in order to get their gas tube in because over torquing would cut into their receiver
>knowing the correct torque is applied is not necessary
Please, stop trying. You look like an asshole.
>>28303138
Do you have any idea how hard it is to undertorque or overtorque a barrel? Like, you really think you'd have a hard time finding somewhere between 30 and 200+ lbs.?
>>28303140
>quality build
>can't manage to have ~$160 FCG in it
These are mutually exclusive, bruh.
>>28303151
>saying spending $300 on tools is too much
Try again anon, use them reading comprehension abilities. This whole thing was you saying you needed at least $300 in tools and a workbench to build an AR (>>28300226
). This was objectively false, and when that was proven you started sperging out about your work bench and now here we all are. :^
>>28303209
Swoopsies, meant to put >>28301715 there.
>>28303209
>These are mutually exclusive, bruh
Are they? Great! Can you tell me why?
>>28303222
Because a slightly ritz'd up USGI FCG isn't quality. It's basic. Know what is universally acknowledged as a quality AR FCG? Geissele. Know what someone who is talking shit about how much better they are and their rifle is should at least have if they're gonna do that? A Geissele FCG, and not a poorfag "It works for me" excuse.
>>28303209
>do you--
Yes, yet I have seen it twice and had to fix it.
I still maintain the tools I listed as necessary for a properly assembled rifle. If guess work and maybe are your thing then you don't need them. That's kind of like saying you don't technically need to align your steering because the tolerances are so wide you'll make it work.
>Not overspending on a trigger is bad
You're really stuck on this aren't you. You never mentioned which one. Tricon? SSA? You do know ALG triggers are manufactured by Geissle, right? So there, just to satisfy your autism I in fact do have a Geissle trigger.
>>28303257
But why? What's the actual difference in quality between the two? What makes your trigger so much better?
>>28303257
No, a USGI FCG is basic. A ritzed up one is, by definition, not basic.
>>28303258
>I still maintain the tools I listed as necessary for a properly assembled rifle.
That's nice, and I maintain you bumbled about and got your shit pushed in for it, then proceeded to sperg the hell out. I'll wait for either one of my builds to start exploding because I didn't use a torque wrench, because it is so -needed- for a properly assembled AR. Kinda wish it'd hurry up, I'm nearing a year and a half of use. :^
> ALG triggers are manufactured by Geissle, right? So there, just to satisfy your autism I in fact do have a Geissle trigger.
Oh wow, good night everybody!
>>28303270
>what makes a polished mil-spec trigger inferior to a Geissele S3G?
Yeah, I'm done here. There is no rage like poorfag anonrage.
>>28303270
Found the noguns.
>>28303296
>>28303302
Could you please not shitpost for ten minutes?
>>28303302
I'm just asking because I honestly don't know.
If you refuse to answer though, it will be rather obvious that there is no difference and you're actually just full of shit.
>>28303335
>people actually have to be told why geissele triggers are better
what the fuck even is this?
>>28303343
Despite how common sense it is I still haven't met someone who could tell me.
>>28301769
I'm honestly impressed.
Now build a proper table.
>>28303343
do you know how a trigger works?
okay, now take the factors that make that trigger work, and make them better.
>>28303351
Not that guy, but the thing is, explaining a quality trigger is hard to put into words. It's something you have to physically get behind to really understand.
We can sit here and harp about clean and crisp breaks, smooth travel, and low uptake all day long but you really have to feel for yourself.
>>28303271
it's basic. a honda civic with a racing stripe is still basic in every way that actually matters. that's what your trigger is. basic.
>>28303398
Except that's a cosmetic difference and we've established that there is a difference between mil spec and QMS. Although honestly mom spec works fine too. I didn't build a target rifle.
>>28303388
So, the hammer hammers hammererer?
Does the saftey become safer?
Does the disconnect or disconnect better?
I fail to see how any of these things can actually be improved upon.
>>28303429
They're all retarded. It has a lower pull weight, cleaner break and no creep because the geometry is changed. They're nice, but not big money nice. The ALG literally feels the exact same for $80.
>>28303420
i could take a buffing wheel to the contact surfaces of my milspec trigger and it would literally be the same thing you have. it's not special or of any standout quality. you're not special or of any standout quality. your rifle isn't special or of any standout quality. it is literally 5/10. vanilla. everything about it.
ITT: people talking about things they haven't actually experienced
>>28303434
FUCKING FINALLY.
Thank you.
>>28303434
>The ALG literally feels the exact same for $80.
Stop
>>28303434
You have never handled a Geissele in your life.
>>28303429
You are a fucking retard.
>>28303435
Quality means it has to be flashy and high speed now? Goddamn /k/ is obtuse.
>you don't have the latest M-Lok rail that's not quality!
I never said it was a great rifle. I said it was built from quality parts from good manufacturers and that nigger rigging a PSA lower and upper together using sticks and a piece of construction material didn't qualify as a quality rifle, ergo their statements on building v buying were irrelevant.
>>28303451
But you still can't actually explain why a Geissele is better than any other trigger.
>>28303434
>it was supposed to be a budget build
I spent twice as much as I set out to. Still have more to spend when I buy my PRS, if I can ever find one in gray.
>>28303456
you're the only one being obtuse you posturing nigger.
>I HAS QWULITY RIFUL
>NEVUR SAID IT WUS GREAT RIFUL
>MUH 50 DULLA TRIGGER IS JUST AS GOOD AS A 200 DULLA ONE
>>28303443
I'll correct myself because I posted without proof reading. I meant to say the ALG ACT feels the same. Not the QMS
>>28303451
I've put about a dozen of them in rifles. The only time I'd spend the money for a brand name is if I had an actual M4 because the burst mechanism sucks balls, so I'd put an SSF in it. I don't though, so a smoother mil spec is fine enough for me.
>>28303460
Stay mad asshole.
>>28303479
See
>>28303482
And I didn't say it was great. Ever. Go read it again. I implied that there is a minimum standard ARs should be built to, and explicitly stated what the tools required for that were. I get paid in my free time to assemble great rifles.
>>28303482
>I meant to say the ALG ACT feels the same. Not the QMS
That is literally just as retarded
You cannot possible say that this
>http://algdefense.com/alg-combat-trigger-act.html
Feels exactly the same as this
>https://geissele.com/super-dynamic-3-gun-trigger.html
And expect anyone with any experience with either to think you have a clue what you're talking about
I'm using a craftsman torque wrench. $40. It works. Cheapo $20 vice from Harbor Freight. No bench so I had a friend stand on the vice. Vice block $20.
>>28303466
I went wrong by not buying what I wanted. Ended up with 5 different rifles. Should have just bought that PSA CHF magpul moe midlength kit for $600 back in 2013. Would have saved me a lot of time and money.
>>28303496
i hope they don't pay a lot because you're a fucking idiot.
>>28303466
I'd say buy a Luth AR MBA but they don't make them in grey, only black, pink, and FDE
>>28303482
*brand name Geissle
>>28303497
No one ever specified which Geissle. I went with the SSA as a point of reference. I also didn't say they were the same. I said they felt the same. Literally no one but competition shooters and autistic wannabe operators on this site will notice a slight difference.
>>28303503
Either way, the result is the same. Except you spent $260 to be mediocre and I only spent $46.
>>28303526
You are such a dickless backpedaling twat you know that? And you're still wrong, and a clueless moron if you can't tell the difference between a 4.5 pound pull and a 5.5 pound.
>>28303550
Sorry, ALG says that the ACT's pull is about 6 pounds, so it is literally 25% heavier than the Geissele SSA. Oh, and one is single stage, and the other is two stage
And you insist they feel exactly the same
Did you even build your rifle?
>>28303550
>Back pedaling
Nope, no one specified a trigger to compare to except Milsurp. Turn your trip back on if you're him then.
>muh 1lbs difference
Oh fucking lord no! I didn't mention the fucking pull weight. Except I did! Here >>28303434
It feels the fucking same otherwise. Little/no take up, clean break "like a carrot" as Geissle himself fucking says, and then no over travel. I can have all that for either $80 or $200, or $260 or whatever you want to over pay. You are really stuck on the fucking trigger. See >>28303094
Because that anon fucking knew what he was talking about.
>>28303588
I think you may actually be deluded
You say something feels exactly the same, then in the same post say it doesn't
Then you say you meant a single type of Geissele trigger, and then you lump them all together as being the same
Then you say there is no perceivable difference between a single stage 6 pound trigger and a double stage 4.5 pound one
It's like you live in your own shifting world where nothing remains constant
>tfw the tripfags maybe had the right idea in making /arg/
The collective stamps out stupidity as seen in this thread....
>>28298507
I bought a complete AR for 400 dollars used and it's great lol you suck at finding deals
>>28302022
>>28302022
Do you not have a table, counter top, desk, or even a fucking window ledge, ANYWHERE in your retarded ass home? A "workbench" is literally nothing short of a luxury feel good commodity and assinienly unnecessary.
>>28302701
He said 2x10 not 2x4 you stupid cunt.
Those are completely different
This is one of the most asspained threads I've read here in a long time. You're all faggots.
>>28298461
A lot of those cheap AR's don't have iron sights, or forward assist, or dust covers, or even chrome lined barrel. Hell, some have polymer lowers. Most basic bitch factory built AR's without irons run about $450-550. A good set of irons runs about $100, so your already looking $550-650, plus tax and ffl fees. I built this AR using a PSA "premium" complete upper, with a chrome lined barrel, bcg and ch, lower build kit, and Anderson stripped lower. It already had the magpul moe furniture included, and I added a mag and magpul buis. I paid less than $525 for everything after shipping and ffl fees. Now find me an AR with all those options for that price shipped. You can't.
>>28298461
Oh and as far as complete lowers go, you end up paying more shipping than you would buying it separately, and if you're buying lowers, buy in bulk to avoid heavy shipping costs and ffl fees. I bought 5 Anderson lowers from brownells when they had 10% off and after ffl fees, only paid $43 per lower shipped and transferred.
Question for you guys, not that I really expect and answer.
Has anybody here done an 80% lower on a CNC mill? My friend is getting one and I thought it'd be a decent first project as I learn to do CNC.
>>28301807
>>28301769
>150# torque wrench
30 bucks from amazon on sale
http://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-24335-2-Inch-Torque-10-150-Foot/dp/B00C5ZL0RU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450971180&sr=8-1&keywords=torqu+wrench
Is Palmetto State Armory ever not sold the fuck out of everything?
>>28304579
You don't "do" a lower on a CNC.
You take your lower, put it into the block, go online and find a compatible CNC milling trail, clamp it in the machine bay, zero it where it tells you to start, hit start.
>>28303466
What Stock?
>>28304848
they are terrible at this time
>black friday sales
>now holiday season
>pre-election panic and talk of new gun control (however impossible) stirs up panic buying
most places are sold out of a lot of shit right now, familia
>>28303434
how is it being so poor you have to actually convince yourself your inferior things are better than they actually are?
>>28305191
people doing mental gymnastics to stay in the 'right' is nothing new
As someone who built his first AR lower off of his lap, a paper plate, and used a rusty hammer and old pipe pliers, I can certify that you in fact, don't need shit for tools when it comes to building an AR.
/k/ watched on twitch six months ago when I built it.
>>28305222
i know but i have NEVER seen it as bad as it is in here.
>>28305225
i am new to ar system.
is it true that the 80% lowers require machine tools because they are not even milled out?
>>28305281
80% AR lowers need a drill press and some TLC, or a CNC mill to finish it.
Or just go buy any Anderson lower for ~$40 and pay a fee at FFL to transfer it.
>>28299996
Yyyyeah, gonna have to stop you right there and say you're a dummy, son.
>>28298461
Building an AR is like building a computer. You don't do it to save money, you do it for the customization and the experience of putting something together.
>>28301715
If you don't already have all those things except the AR armorer's wrench and the lol receiver blocks (have you not heard of some fucking padded wood), you might as well just cut your cock off, turn in your man card and be done with it
>>28299930
different anon, but when i look at PSA for the barreled uppers all of the handguards look like fuck. do you just buy it anyway and swap it out or do sites sell a barreled upper without the handguard on it
I built mine because I couldn't find a 20" rifle for the price I wanted. I ended up paying less for the parts and borrowing all the tools.
>>28305358
that is a valid opinion, and that's why i built a beast of a gaming rig for 2100. however, when my mom needed a cheap computer at the same time my dad did ~6 years ago i threw two together with the same specs for 700 (for the pair). and they are still running strong and faster than a laptop.
my point is, like building a PC there are multiple different reasons for building an AR, and budget can be one of them.
>>28305281
Yes that is why you can have them shipped to your door and don't need a serial number
A stripped lower requires no machining, but is considered a firearm and needs a ffl
I like bcm complete uppers
Now that they have a cheaper kmr rail made out of alluminum, their complete free floated uppers are good
They still have the ones you just drop in handguard, those are good too.
But then you get a bcg and a gunfighter charging handle for $70 on top of your upper. That makes it a really price smart decision
>buy nice parts as they come on sale
>end with high end ar15 at low price
>???
>profit
