http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/12/22/seymour-hershs-latest-bombshell-us-military-undermined-obama-syria-tacit-help-assad
Seymour Hersh is claiming that the Joint Chiefs frustrated with the Executive arming unvetted Syrian rebel groups linked to Nusrah and ISIS and trying to confront Russia were providing intelligence on the Jihadists to Germany, Israel, and Russia with the clear understanding it would be supplied to Assad
Thats pretty amazing
Could it be true?
I can imagine them concerned with another power vacuum filled with maniacs just like Iraq and Libya, I can imagine them frustrated with the so-called moderates selling their arms to the maniacs, and I can imagine them concerned about people trying to push the Russians around and the response that could get
But to actually act on it? And take action against the Executive?
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military
By the late summer of 2013, the DIA’s assessment had been circulated widely, but although many in the American intelligence community were aware that the Syrian opposition was dominated by extremists the CIA-sponsored weapons kept coming, presenting a continuing problem for Assad’s army. Gaddafi’s stockpile had created an international arms bazaar, though prices were high. ‘There was no way to stop the arms shipments that had been authorised by the president,’ the JCS adviser said. ‘The solution involved an appeal to the pocketbook. The CIA was approached by a representative from the Joint Chiefs with a suggestion: there were far less costly weapons available in Turkish arsenals that could reach the Syrian rebels within days, and without a boat ride.’ But it wasn’t only the CIA that benefited. ‘We worked with Turks we trusted who were not loyal to Erdoğan,’ the adviser said, ‘and got them to ship the jihadists in Syria all the obsolete weapons in the arsenal, including M1 carbines that hadn’t been seen since the Korean War and lots of Soviet arms. It was a message Assad could understand: “We have the power to diminish a presidential policy in its tracks.”’
In January 2014, despairing at the lack of progress, John Brennan, the director of the CIA, summoned American and Sunni Arab intelligence chiefs from throughout the Middle East to a secret meeting in Washington, with the aim of persuading Saudi Arabia to stop supporting extremist fighters in Syria. ‘The Saudis told us they were happy to listen,’ the JCS adviser said, ‘so everyone sat around in Washington to hear Brennan tell them that they had to get on board with the so-called moderates. His message was that if everyone in the region stopped supporting al-Nusra and Isis their ammunition and weapons would dry up, and the moderates would win out.’ Brennan’s message was ignored by the Saudis, the adviser said, who ‘went back home and increased their efforts with the extremists and asked us for more technical support. And we say OK, and so it turns out that we end up reinforcing the extremists.’
And these are the people who planted bombs inside the WTC
but let's disarm americans, right? holy shit, jimmies rustled
>>28294759
in what way does that relate to this topic or the articles?
you might as well have said "but lets not have bagles for breakfast, right?"
The Kremlin adviser on the Middle East, like the Joint Chiefs and the DIA, dismisses the ‘moderates’ who have Obama’s support, seeing them as extremist Islamist groups that fight alongside Jabhat al-Nusra and IS (‘There’s no need to play with words and split terrorists into moderate and not moderate,’ Putin said in a speech on 22 October). The American generals see them as exhausted militias that have been forced to make an accommodation with Jabhat al-Nusra or IS in order to survive. At the end of 2014, Jürgen Todenhöfer, a German journalist who was allowed to spend ten days touring IS-held territory in Iraq and Syria, told CNN that the IS leadership ‘are all laughing about the Free Syrian Army. They don’t take them for serious. They say: “The best arms sellers we have are the FSA. If they get a good weapon, they sell it to us.” They didn’t take them for serious. They take for serious Assad. They take for serious, of course, the bombs. But they fear nothing, and FSA doesn’t play a role.’
Oh! Juicy political intrigue!
Moustapha also brought up China, an ally of Assad that has allegedly committed more than $30 billion to postwar reconstruction in Syria. China, too, is worried about Islamic State. ‘China regards the Syrian crisis from three perspectives,’ he said: international law and legitimacy; global strategic positioning; and the activities of jihadist Uighurs, from Xinjiang province in China’s far west. Xinjiang borders eight nations – Mongolia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India – and, in China’s view, serves as a funnel for terrorism around the world and within China. Many Uighur fighters now in Syria are known to be members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement – an often violent separatist organisation that seeks to establish an Islamist Uighur state in Xinjiang. ‘The fact that they have been aided by Turkish intelligence to move from China into Syria through Turkey has caused a tremendous amount of tension between the Chinese and Turkish intelligence,’ Moustapha said. ‘China is concerned that the Turkish role of supporting the Uighur fighters in Syria may be extended in the future to support Turkey’s agenda in Xinjiang. We are already providing the Chinese intelligence service with information regarding these terrorists and the routes they crossed from on travelling into Syria.’
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Moustapha’s concerns were echoed by a Washington foreign affairs analyst who has closely followed the passage of jihadists through Turkey and into Syria. The analyst, whose views are routinely sought by senior government officials, told me that ‘Erdoğan has been bringing Uighurs into Syria by special transport while his government has been agitating in favour of their struggle in China. Uighur and Burmese Muslim terrorists who escape into Thailand somehow get Turkish passports and are then flown to Turkey for transit into Syria.’ He added that there was also what amounted to another ‘rat line’ that was funnelling Uighurs – estimates range from a few hundred to many thousands over the years – from China into Kazakhstan for eventual relay to Turkey, and then to IS territory in Syria. ‘US intelligence,’ he said, ‘is not getting good information about these activities because those insiders who are unhappy with the policy are not talking to them.’ He also said it was ‘not clear’ that the officials responsible for Syrian policy in the State Department and White House ‘get it’. IHS-Jane’s Defence Weekly estimated in October that as many as five thousand Uighur would-be fighters have arrived in Turkey since 2013, with perhaps two thousand moving on to Syria. Moustapha said he has information that ‘up to 860 Uighur fighters are currently in Syria.’
WHY would you do this!?
>>28294979
Edogen thinks he is Ottoman Empire
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>>28294973
Turks really are garbage
Few in the US Congress share this view. One exception is Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat from Hawaii and member of the House Armed Services Committee who, as a major in the Army National Guard, served two tours in the Middle East. In an interview on CNN in October she said: ‘The US and the CIA should stop this illegal and counterproductive war to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad and should stay focused on fighting against … the Islamic extremist groups.’
‘Does it not concern you,’ the interviewer asked, ‘that Assad’s regime has been brutal, killing at least 200,000 and maybe 300,000 of his own people?’
‘The things that are being said about Assad right now,’ Gabbard responded, ‘are the same that were said about Gaddafi, they are the same things that were said about Saddam Hussein by those who were advocating for the US to … overthrow those regimes … If it happens here in Syria … we will end up in a situation with far greater suffering, with far greater persecution of religious minorities and Christians in Syria, and our enemy will be far stronger.’
>we live in a world where a woman and a democrat is the only one making sense
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>>28294979
We need to Chile '73 this fuck
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Gabbard later told me that many of her colleagues in Congress, Democrats and Republicans, have thanked her privately for speaking out. ‘There are a lot of people in the general public, and even in the Congress, who need to have things clearly explained to them,’ Gabbard said. ‘But it’s hard when there’s so much deception about what is going on. The truth is not out.’ It’s unusual for a politician to challenge her party’s foreign policy directly and on the record. For someone on the inside, with access to the most secret intelligence, speaking openly and critically can be a career-ender. Informed dissent can be transmitted by means of a trust relationship between a reporter and those on the inside, but it almost invariably includes no signature. The dissent exists, however. The longtime consultant to the Joint Special Operations Command could not hide his contempt when I asked him for his view of the US’s Syria policy. ‘The solution in Syria is right before our nose,’ he said. ‘Our primary threat is Isis and all of us – the United States, Russia and China – need to work together. Bashar will remain in office and, after the country is stabilised there will be an election. There is no other option.’
>>28295111
So, kill Assad, prop up our own guy, give him a team of chicago economists and go full gestapo on disidence?
>>28294560
jesus christ.
we really are the bad guys here
what the absolute fuck is going on in out govenrment?
its like the revolution has already begun and its being fought quietly behind closed doors.
>>28295129
This was referring to Edogen
And just the overthrow part
>>28295150
>we really are the bad guys here
>here
You were always the bad guys anon
>and got them to ship the jihadists in Syria all the obsolete weapons in the arsenal, including M1 carbines that hadn’t been seen since the Korean War
Those fucking bastards. Remember when the Korean M1 carbines were going to be in the CMP, but obama blocked the shipment? Turns out it was because he prefers to arm islamist militants than americans.
>>28295150
>what the absolute fuck is going on in out govenrment?
Its like a wounded animal lashing out
The US strength is military, and when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail needing a wack
You've got a conflict between immediate tactical needs of doing something about this threat vs grand strategy desires of containing Russia and circumventing their energy resources + reshaping the Middle East
>>28295186
I think those are Turkish M1s not Korean M1s
Turkey was in Korean War too remember?
>there is now a conflict being fought with combatants armed with M1s and STG-44s
what a time to be alive
>>28295186
its their own stocks, read it again
>>28295200
oh god what
>>28294813
> arm people to overthrow governments
> Don't want your citizens to be armed
>>28295228
why not neither?
>>28295181
no, we werent.
this time, but not all the time
now take your commie bullshit and leave
>>28295150
the current US foreign policy is "fuck shit up"
right now in this very moment as we speak in the present time, they are fucking shit up.
>>28295266
>No, we weren't
Thats it. Its happening. You're getting the full comic
>>28295285
>this is not a dream
fucking Alan Moore complaining about drug smuggling, the hypocrite fuck
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Can you feel it /k/
Can you feel your soul being destroyed?
Is anyone shocked by this?
I called a mid-level governmental implicit alliance with Assad nearly a year ago, we know we can't get him out.
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>>28295364
All I feel is nausea from this fucking art style.
We always knew the Government was the bad guy, why do you think we have crates of F/A M16s under our beds?
>>28295372
they were using him in the rendition program
this is a bit different
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>>28294973
Why don't we fund these Chinese jihadists?
9/11 Beijing edition when?
>>28295385
>why do you think we have crates of F/A M16s under our beds?
because you have a small penis or weak ego or both?
the guvmit wont be coming for you, murika society just isn't like that
but if it were to you couldn't do anything to stop it
>hurr durr die on feet
you have to think about the predictable consequences of your actions, like if you attack an authoritarian regime that is known to carry out reprisal attacks and you can reasonably see that your actions will cause a reprisal well you share in responsibility for that provocation
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>things a 5 year old would suggest.flac
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>>28295408
>mfw China racks up trillions in debt fighting in the Middle East
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>>28295474
Nugan Hand also ran guns to Angola in 75
Laundered the CIAs Golden Triangle money
Helped the Shah get his money out of Iran mid-78 when things began looking shaky, probably 60-100 billion
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>>28295419
>THE GUBA MIT IS EBIL!
>But don't do anything! Shhhhh, shut up they might hear you, keep your head down and they might be too busy destroying entire countries to murder our families.
>>28295510
Ed Wilson and Frank Terpil got hit by the ATF in 1982 for their guns smuggling to Libya
Wilson went to trial and Terpil fled to Cuba
Wilson insisted he was working under orders and everything he did was sanctioned and the CIA had full knowledge
CIA claimed they had no contact with him after he resigned in 1970 and went to work for Navy Intelligence from 70-75
He was convicted and sentenced to life
In 2003 he successfully petitioned for a new trial
Got a new lawyer who had previously been a CIA officer and had classified clearance
They presented dozens of documents showing continued CIA contact after 1975 and that they knew about him and what he was doing and the prosecution suppressed this in the 1982 trial and his conviction was overturned and he was released and spent his last 9 years a free man
So, wtf?
Why was he thrown under a bus?
>>28295534
>I can go innawoodswithsks and fight against the Counter Insurgency training taught at the School of the Americas whose students have committed massacres across Central America like the one at El Mozote
>I can oppose swat and special forces and JSOC
>I can oppose armored vehicles, helicopters, jets
This is just a sad little revenge fantasy, there is no threat of force and there never will be
(unless you're poor or a minority)
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>See, we ain't after your money... you're a taxpayer! We already got it!
>We don't even wantcha t'do anythin'
>In fact, just the opposite.
>C'mon... take a look.
>All we're askin' is your indifference.
>Just turn away.
>Pretend it ain't happenin'.
>Ain't like ya gotta give up part o' y'self. No important part. Anyway...
>C'mon... look closer.
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Remember this ladies and gentlemen no matter what else happens:
>This is not a dream.
>>28295684
>William Blum - The CIA: A Forgotten History
Has since been republished and expanded as Killing Hope
Best single book on every single US foreign intervention. Overt, covert, invasion, overthrow of a democratic government, support for a friendly dictatorship. A chapter for each and there are over 50 chapters
>Leslie Cockburn - Out of Control
Collects and expands Cockburns journalism covering the crimes of the Raygun administration as they unfolded, has an almost real time quality
>Jonathan Kwitny - The Crimes of Patriots
The best source of information on the Nugan Hand Bank outside Australia
A strange and enigmatic bank founded in Australia in 1973 by an Australian shyster and an American Green Beret. Its executive positions and branch offices were full of ex general ands and admirals, CIA men, and special forces operators. None of them had banking or legal experience.
What on Earth was it doing?
https://kat.cr/kwitny-crimes-of-patriots-dope-dirty-money-cia-iran-contra-scand-t3670184.html
>Alfred W. McCoy - The Politics of Heroin
Extensively updated with new information and new developments to include Contra cocaine, Afghan heroin, and the War on Drugs. It is the source for information on CIA involvement in narcotrafficking.
>PBS Frontline: Guns, Drugs, and the CIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpoahXzt-lM
>Bill Moyers: The Secret Government - The Constitution in Crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28K2CO-khdY
>>28295438
So it's a good idea
>that comic
jesus fuck what
