But I like swords. Am I not wanted on /k/?
>>28292426
Nah. Yer cool.
>>28292426
You may be LESS wanted, but /k/ is weapons, not guns. If you're interested in the use of swords, not just the swords themselves, you may want to check the HEMA threads on /asp/ as well.
Fuck off back to whatever shitlord board you came from .
This is /k/, not faggot willy wop sword and shield
>/k/
>weapons
>swords are weapons
Yes. You're welcomed on /k/. Talk about swords to your heart's content.
>>28292426
Why not both?
Swords are for fags.
t. Halberdier
>>28292484
>Why not both?
Where can I buy a sword bayonet? I don't mean a long bayonet, I mean a full on long sword I can attach to my rifle?
>>28292484
Any sources for RK95 parts? Im looking to get some here in the states so I can build a clone. Im looking for stock, handguards and bolt knob mostly.
>>28292495
http://www.militaryantiquesmuseum.com/swordsbayonetsknives-blk0010-brunswick-p1837-brass-hilted-sword-bayonet.19475.45.military-antiques
>>28292495
Trench gun bayonet, it's a fucking sword.
>>28292500
Sorry, none. I can give you a source for internal spare parts, but stocks and handguards are unobtanium.
http://www.av-ase.fi/ase/tuotteet/aseiden-osat/m62--m92s--ak-osat/404/
>>28292547
You are a good /k/omrade.
What about that Mad Jack Churchill guy. Isn't he a honorary /K/ommando
There aren't enough sword threads imo
They're pretty nice if you aren't buying junk
Depends, do you actually know anything about HEMA or are you a /tg/ outcast?
>>28293062
Those pattern welds though.
The thing with swords is, though, there's really no good use for them.
I'm not saying YOU DON'T NEEEEEEEEED A SWORD, I'm just saying, okay, you've got it, now what?
Cut water bottles I guess?
There's not a lot of things to talk about with swords vs guns, especially since the initial buy-in is just about the same for anything decent.
>>28293288
The thing with guns is, though, there's really no good use for them.
I'm not saying YOU DON'T NEEEEEEEEED A GUN, I'm just saying, okay, you've got it, now what?
Shoot paper targets I guess?
There's not a lot of things to talk about with guns vs swords, especially since the initial buy-in is just about the same for anything decent.
>>28293298
You think you're being clever when you're just being retarded.
>>28292490
Does anyone have that picture of the rebar halberd that one anon made? It was just a couple of well trimmed and sharpened pieces of metal welded to a hunk of rebar, it was so great.
>>28292484
you have failed to post an 1897 with a sword bayonet
>>28293035
you can say the same about bows & arrows
>>28293306
>someone reposts his post with exactly one word swapped
>"lol what a retard"
Anon come on
>>28292426
>>28292484
>>28292495
>why not both
For only 26 oz more (than the M9 bayonet), we can arm every soldier with a rapier.
Why haven't we done this yet? Combat effectiveness would be drastically improved.
>>28293606
real life is not mount and blade warband
>>28293620
If I thought it was mount and blade I would have suggested we arm all soldiers with heavy chargers and couched lances.
>>28293533
Yes, and? They're not interchangeable, guy was just being contrarian.
>>28293623
why not just replace all current soldiers with Sarranid Mamluke's?
>>28293620
This.
>>28293606
1. 26 oz is a big difference with bayonets.
2. Not multifunctional.
3. Long, can cause problems going in doors and stuff.
4. Very few people get knife kills anyway.
>>28293606
Because even if they weighed the same the bayonet would be more desirable to use
>>28292426
It's a weapons board.
That said, I love guns and swords pretty equally. Love both of their craftsmanship, history, and the arts of using them in combat.
Don't really get why people would dislike either after getting to know both well and studying them.
>>28293626
interchanging them is equally as ignorant, that's the fucking joke. There's a hell of a lot more you can do with swords and other HEMA weaponry than slicing bottles, same as with guns.
>>28293606
which was the army that declared bayonets obsolete and removed them all from service, only to have all the soldiers complain non stop until they were returned?
>>28293606
Because only the officers get swords, silly.
If I wanted a one handed sword to use indoors, would a gladius or one of those celtic repro things be the way to go?
And how much should I expect to pay for one I can actually take to HEMA/SCA/Medival Combat Beating-the-Shit-Out-Of-Each-Other?
>>28292426
a long time ago k was more about swords and such
I guess those people either left or got guns
>>28292457
A sword is not a weapon?
I'd love to own a Kilij, maybe the horseman in me just wants to pretend I'm a luxurious Napoleonic cavalry officer.
![50a81067d1f5a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RrAuLvm.jpg "50a81067d1f5a[1].jpg")
can't believe it took me getting stoned to finally realize that ive been a pussy in not trying to forge a sword yet. I think I'm going to look for a workshop that would let me forge a sword on my own. something very akin to this if it seems cheap enough
![14430856539_3a6e3e25d1_c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LkUXLSx.jpg "14430856539_3a6e3e25d1_c[1].jpg")
>>28293736
the difference comes with the fact that hema shit is not meant to be sturdy or effective for combat. All that shit has blunted ends and isn't necessarily pretty, the other option is sturdy hand forged works of art and high quality steel that can be trusted with your life in CQC
the good shit™ at base quality price is usually 5x-6x more expensive than the cheap shit. oh and you could hang it on your wall too
pic related i would say is more in the middle of the spectrum
>>28293062
who makes accurate reproductions of swords liek that? im not talking about chinese spring steel and phillips head screw pommels. where can i buy an actual forged viking sword?
>>28293866
try etsy or sword buying guide
>>28293866
>Like that
Patrick barta, Peter johnsson. Have fun spending multiple thousands of dollars on one and being on a wait list for several years.
Affordable stuff that don't look anywhere near that good include the Hanwei tinker and Ronin katana viking stuff, which are decent budget. The tinker has the better blade and the ronin has nicer scabbards and fittings.
Albion's are excellent, but will be around $1000. Darksword armory is shit. Never buy from them, valiant armoury is good, I don't know of they have a viking though. Avoid deepeeka, windlass are ok and their deal of the day through MRL can give you the best budget sword out there. Don't know about del tin, but I think they're considered to be alright
>>28293973
im looking at albion right now, thanks anon these look excellent. no cheesy screws in the pommel, looks like nice period looking leather grips. i think this will do nicely as a wall hanger/fun sword/historical reproduction , i am very impressed by their selection, they must have like 20 different viking patterns
>>28293667
Would like to see someone defend themselves from multiple people with a sword or CC/OC one
>>28294021
unless those multiple people are armed with some sort of ranged weapon, like gun, i think 1 sword wielder should be able to take out several people with no weapon quite easily
>>28294021
Bishnu Shrestha took on a group of train robbers with a kukri. Some had pistols, most didn't. He killed a few of them and made the rest drop all their shit and run. There was at least 15 of them
Is hanwei as shitty as I know deep down in my soul it is?
I don't want to spend a grand or two on a sword and find I don't like the thing.
>>28293606
Because training someone to use a sword effectively is much harder than training someone to shoot.
>>28292495
iirc some enfield sword bayonets are literally swords that attach to the end of a gun
>>28294103
Depends on the models, the tinker line and some newer ones are decently balanced. Older European style ones used to be pretty bad. (the high end chinese and japanese style types are quite nice though)
... if you don't want to spend much and are fine with re-profiling a horribly sharpened edge and tip Hanwei it's a decent choice for a "sports" grade euro.
Of course compared to an albion they are shitty...
Valiant Armory is right in between the two, or at-least they were when I bought my bristol..
Hanwei: "Ah I see.. thats how a sword should feel like when moving it around... interesting, but damn I can't get rid of the feeling that it was build by someone usually making cutlery for ikea"
Valiant: "ooh, that's a nice looking one ... but somehow it doesn't really feel much more solid than the hanwei... "
Albion: "IT'S A SWORD!! O_O uuuhh swing swing ... now where do I get a scabbard or it... another $500 WTF!"
>>28292457
Gtfo of here /pol
>>28292426
Where exactly would a sword be useful?
>>28294287
You forgot:
In between valiant and albion:
lutel: It feels like a sword and looks quite nice and the price is right where I'd like it for what it is BUT IT TOOK 5 MONTHS FOR IT TO GET HERE
Nothing wrong with swords, and if anyone on /k/ gives you shit about them, its just neo-/k/ cancerfags shitposting.
Cant wait to get my hands on the new saber version of my trusty cutlass.
>>28293855
That thing looks like someone tried to forge a sword with the intent of making people only familiar with padded larp toys and no knowledge of history happy.
HEMA is trying to recreate historical effective fighting styles, blunted tips are necessary, but the equipment used (attached picture) is built to simulate the weight and feel of a real weapon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc&index=4&list=PL83FE40331F44D000
What you described sounds more like stage fighting.
>>28294327
II no longer consider them an option.. as in my case it took even longer, was 2 pounds heaver than ordered, and this weight was at the tip, as had no distal taper...
So Lutel: "wow, what a pretty looking complex hilt ... WTF! I can't remember ordering a crowbar, AWNSER MY EMAILS YOUU FUU.... I guess I have to buy a good belt grinder."
If we also add negative points...
Armor Class:
"I wonder if the prices are relatively low because half of the people only pay part of the money up front and than die of old age waiting for the sword... to think of it, when did I place the order.. need to check my achieved emails..."
>>28294412
When did you order from them?
>>28292457
>shitlord
Go home Tumblr, you're drunk.
>>28293633
>Sarranid Mamlukes
>not Swadian Knights
Its like you want to lose the war.
>>28294287
How are swords from Darksword Armoury? I got the Knight's Sword from them and I personally like it but its the only sword I have and so since I don't have anything to compare it against I'm not sure how to rate it in terms of quality.
>>28293521
more?
>>28294650
they trade historical accuracy on some of their swords for wider audience appeal, but they are still wonderful battle ready swords.
>>28294557
About two or three year ago, It was Lutel handycraft.
You can see the lack of taper in some of the product pictures, like the tip of this one being a rather fat blob:
http://lutel-handicraft.com/?p=productsMore&iProduct=79&sName=Sword-12028
It likely won't be as much of an issue on some blade types that have a lot of lateral taper ...
http://lutel-handicraft.com/?p=productsMore&iProduct=92&sName=Rapier-14003
but I'd generally I would consider them a manufacturer of something that will certainly look good and won't break like a cheap wall-hanger, but might handle like one.
>>28295147
The main thing bugging me about Darksword is that they ended up making a pattern welded "Elite" line.. that mainly features sword types that historically wouldn't have had a visible pattern.
But don't sell a viking era sword with such a blade that would have actually made sense...
Would buy a Nordic sword or a rapier if I thought they were functional and not LARP shit.
The problem with these internet retailers is that they'll say their sword is "battle ready" but will snap off quicker than your butthole after taco night if you actually use them for their intended purpose.
This is why I stick to machetes and chink blades. Because if they break, I'm down $15. Oh well.
>>28293736
There are plenty of one handed swords you could use indoors. I personally would want a viking sword or an arming sword of some sort. But you'd probably he paying around $1,000 for a good one
>>28292426
No, because you felt the need to blogpost a thread instead of making an interesting one about swords. Same to faggots making generals with no point other than facebook-tier "LOOK AT ME," circlejerking.
>>28294083
This sounds like the plot to some Korean movie I saw. What's it called...
The Good, the Bad, and the Weird. There we go. I dunno. It's been a while since I've seen it so I don't even really know what it was about.
>>28294033
>>28294021
This guy fought off 3 dudes with guns with a sword.
>http://www.clarin.com/policiales/Ataco-ladrones-samurai-legitima-defensa_0_1338466392.html
Translation:
>49 year old Dias Costa suffered a home invasion in his house in Cordoba, Argentina. Once inside the house, the three criminals armed with two handguns, started hitting Mr. Costa and his wife. When they tried to enter his son’s bedroom, Mr. Costa grabbed a katana sword he had hanging on a wall and attacked the criminals, cutting them in their hands, arms and face. The fleeing criminals left in a vehicle along with an accomplice that was waiting outside but the driver crashed shortly after due to blood loss. The four criminals continued their escape on foot, but the blood trail was so big cops only had to follow it to a nearby house to capture the attackers.
Pics:
>https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/1202/1579/4m/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/13/18/27860EFA00000578-0-image-m-8_1428944994427.jpg
>http://www.clarin.com/policiales/quedaron-malvivientes-victima-defendiera-samurai_CLAIMA20150413_0103_36.jpg
>https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/1202/1579/4m/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/13/18/27860C7100000578-0-image-a-5_1428944967013.jpg
>>28293486
I did think of that, but didn'y have a picture on my phone. 2bad.
>>28296692
The guy was a retired Gurkha. They are as badass as the stories say.
>>28297550
Oh shit that happened in 2010. Damn, that is pretty badass.
I'm thinking on getting a sword, but I'm stuck between getting a long sword, or an arming sword (one handed) and a shield.
That is not for a long ways away though, my first melee weapon will be a Tomahawk.
I took a piece of 1/8 in thick steel.
Used a shear at work to cut a 1 1/2in wide strip off the end. Cut it to 3 ft long.
Then ground it and filed it sharp along one edge.
I don't know much about heat treating. But it was high carbon steel to begin with.
Will it function as a decent sword.
> I love arts and crafts on company time.
>>28298966
People will tell you that you absolutely need high carbon steel that is heat treated for swords, but the fact is people used swords made of softer metals, bronze and iron mostly, for thousands of years, and they worked just fine. Just test it on some tree branches or something. It will likely bend, and won't hold an edge well, but it will most likely function.
>>28292426
Only not wanted by a particularly vocal segment of the gun-autists who are obsessed with the gun, to the detriment of anything else.
As long as you're a normal person who knows that swords are an obsolete weapon in modern war (ie, dont go around claiming they're the greatest weapon ever, etc) the more people interested in them, the better.
>>28298966
>Will it function as a decent sword.
it will function, yes.
will it be decent? unlikely. There's a lot more to a good sword design than just making a sharp edge.
Aside from the obvious - the whole heat-treatment to ensure its sprung, neither too brittle nor too soft, there's a whole load of subtle details that make a decent sword - stuff like distal taper - a blade might well start 3/16ths, 1/4 of an inch thick at the grip, but by the time you reach the point it might well be only 1/16th of an inch thick - that takes out a lot of mass, without it being too flexy. a good pommel for a western hilt, a good hilt for oriental, good bindings, all those sort of things are what make a sword a sword, and not a machete.
>>28293298
If you think you can effectively carry a sword for self-defense, then you'll need a fedora, a trench coat, and a diet. Yes, it's a lethal weapon. No, it's not one you can carry concealed in most any state. The police will have every reason to arrest you and book you into a mental health facility.
>>28293736
>And how much should I expect to pay for one I can actually take to HEMA/SCA/Medival Combat Beating-the-Shit-Out-Of-Each-Other?
about three-fifty.
No, seriously, about 350. Pounds, Dollars, Euros, doesnt matter which, that's a good benchmark to look at for most countries.
about the 350 mark is where its going to be good enough to trust. You can get cheaper, a bit - a Regenyei feder for HEMA is about 250 euros, if you're in the US, expect to pay about 300 with shipping.
Generally, if its under 200 it will be shit, and will likely come apart on you. between 200 and 300 is a bit of a risk, but most are ok.
over 400, you're looking at either overpriced, or really high-end stuff.
Can strongly recommend Regenyei, Ensifer, or Marco Danelli for hema swords.
>>28296692
The guy kill the robbers used guns in that one. Sorry to burst your bubble
AK bayonet is best bayonet. Wire cutter built in.
>>28292426
Cold steel Katana is best.
Will Keith forever.
>>28294378
That thing looks fucking terrible.
>which weapon do you mean anon
Fucking both.
Does the "cutlass" have a tapering blade? Looks like a solid chunk of shit dominated by aesthetics>ability.
>>28299726
The 'sword' in that anon's picture is by a company called zombie tools, so what can you expect.
>>28299794
>zombie tools
Who keeps giving these people money?
>My next arts and crafts project.
I'm thinking Bowie knife.
>>28299848
actually by all acounts the Zombie Tools stuff is pretty stronk, they're just glorified outdoorsman tools but you could do a LOT worse in buying "swords"
>>28292484
That katana really clashes with the AK. You should pair it up with some kind of classy/sexy AR instead.
>>28299848
The same people who keep giving BUDK and United Cutlery money, I'd wager.
>>28299235
>The police will have every reason to arrest you and book you into a mental health facility.
New hampshire here:
We repealed all our knife laws.
This also shitcanned any sword laws.
It's so horrible I want it.
I don't particularly like guns either, OP. Range time is a chore, and my police surplus .38 k-frame is the used Honda Civic of guns. But it is the most effective means of self-defense, and resisting an aggressor with a gun is the statistically safest reaction to violent attack. We do things we don't like sometimes because it's good for us.
>>28296693
i remember this story, the pictures were nasty. he really fucked them up
can anyone id this sword?
>>28294379
Jesus fuck how did anyone survive sword fights?
>>28303237
Epic boast bruh
>>28303237
You need to perform a decent cut to get through clothing.
Most are not double kills even if it looks like it.
This one shows the forms in more idealized fashion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmLaZHStmI
And if you know you'll be in messy fight and probably get hit you'll dress appropriately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlIUrd7d1Q
Techniques to get past it will be different, and show why many of the late medieval swords are narrow with a stiff reinforced tip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_Q3CGqZmg
>>28293521
I'd put my arrow in her quiver
>>28293521
Or in general, weapons of antiquity.
>>28302858
It looks homemade.
>>28301825
>5000 hours in photoshop
I hope.
>>28293620
So spamming swadians knights is not a legitimate strategy irl?
>>28293573
Want for the sake of want
>>28293801
Beauty, but I wonder why such a drastic curve?
>>28296693
>blood trail was so big
4u
>>28293298
Aside from literally every country's definition of modern warfare, hunting, skeet shooting, and self defense, yeah you're totally right.
That being said, I appreciate good steel when I find it. Especially innawoods.
>>28294083
He's an exception to the rule. Actually Gurkha in general are. They're hacking or something. Hacking limbs...
It's kind of sad watching bladed weapons become less and less practical over the years. That kukri just fills me with bad thoughts. Then again I'm not even enlisted, so my perspective isn't valid.
There was someone on this board that told the story of an Army Ranger who hacked an Iraqi apart with a Tomahawk after they grabbed his rifle or something in a doorway. That's some Valhalla worthy shit. I wish I could screen cap it but I can never find it.
>>28299848
Theyre actually pretty ok, will likely never break unless youre an incompetent retard
>>28304734
Helps with draw cuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQwbf1_LP8w
Why would you want a sword as a weapon tho? Unless you have training, a knife seems more practical imo.
>>28295096
nudity no go
>>28292426
You're cool. Just don't go on some rant how swords should replace guns or some retarded shit.
Why does /k/ have so many Will Keiths?
Where would one go online to get a blade or something for actual use? Like a spear or something for hunting.
>>28307529
because the moist nugget brigade are a model of strength, health, and athleticism, right?
>>28306850
Depends on the context,
in the most likely, a self defense context in your home, a sword (unless too large to use indoors) will give you more reach and be almost impossible to defend against unless the opponent has something to effectively parry with.
Even if an untrained person is slashing about randomly.
Knife (unless it's a sword sized one one):
You need to move into grappling distance to do any damage that would stop the opponent.
Sword:
you can remove a persons arm at a distance the opponent won't even be able to touch you with a knife.
>>28292426
Shouldn't matter as long as you don't go around tipping your fedora about how you think swords are for REAL men or go on some autistic rant about katanas.
>>28307629
I personally like
http://www.kultofathena.com/spears.asp
.. but mostly cause they actually list the important stats of many swords, like the thickness at the base and tip of the blade.
>>28308400
Kult of Athena is a pretty good site.
>>28293482
Hell yeah
>>28293635
>tfw state allows open carry of any knife thats legal
>only outlaws spring projectile and ballistic
>>28301796
New Hampshire, why do you keep being so based? I've yet to hear any bad weapon rights news outta your state.
[spoiler]btw, FUCK YOU, VIRGINIA![/spoiler]
>>28299158
>Based Peter Johnson
I've gotten the privilege of getting to hear him speak on sword design and geometry (the old USA Bladesmith Association, back when it was just a forum). That man is passionate about his craft.
>>28294379
>>28293855
That's Dave Delagardelle's work. It's good, solid sword making, possibly some of the finest in this country. His works are both wall-worthy and fight-ready. (HEMA legal, too, last I checked). But Dave's stuff is SPENDY. I'm talking " ranging from new sports car to custom Holland and Holland pistol" prices here. You wouldn't catch me actually USING it outside of absolute desperation or as a bragging piece.
>>28293866
That is a Patrick Barta. Guy's a genius at pattern welds, though I'd say he's not as artistic about it as J. Arthur Loose.
You know what, y'all need to watch these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSGzOgoPhHo
>>28293062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyIOIU3YGus
Kinda off topic, but I was wondering about getting a spear.
I went to Kult of athena and I'm thinking about a 'arms & armor Celtic spear'
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AA800&name=Arms+%26+Armor+Celtic+Spear
Would this model be good for both melee and throwing, or would it be better to get a thrusting spear and a javelin separately?
>>28292484
>Current state of dick: MUH
>>28294650
Their quality control is terrible. I've purchased something from them once, and I'll never do it again. My problems weren't a one time thing either
>>28299848
They're pretty strong, but I hate the way they look
>>28309891
Why serrated?
Genuine question. Easier to innawoods?
>>28311607
It's funny that his website actually states that the sword belongs into the realms middle-earth.
>>28292499
>Dadao
Chinese version of a katana, except made out of junk, 100% better and dosnt make you look like a weeb.
This thing is the real bestest Asian sword.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadao
>>28293306
No, he's got a point. A nugget or equivalent rifle is a shitty HD gun, too heavy and chunky for hunting without a stand, outdated, etc. We buy things like that because they're awesome.
>>28296692
Yeah but that movie though! For real /k/, if you haven't seen The Good, The Bad, and The Weird, You're only doing a disservice to yourself.
Have swords.
>>28312687
Actually, plain edges are preferred innawoods because it makes carving considerably easier (like feather sticks). Serrations are more useful for utility, like cutting zipties or other plastic items, aswell as fabrics like nylon webbing. That's the new USMC issue bayonet by Ontario btw.
>>28316694
>>Actually, plain edges are preferred innawoods because it makes carving considerably easier (like feather sticks)
Also ease of maintenance
>>28292484
>inb4 sword bayonet
http://machiavellianfictionist.tumblr.com/post/134994872319/peashooter85-french-model-1856-arcelin-system
>>28317083
You're late
![DS496[5].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dFswh98.jpg "DS496[5].jpg")
>>28314142
A DaDao is closer to a Falchion.
The MiaoDao is more similar to a Katana.
>>28295147
>>28311693
I'm getting mixed signals here.
>>28317625
Sorry I meant to day that the dadao was built as the anti-katana, they were designed to shatter katanas.
>>28316615
>>28316623
The grip guard (I think that's what it's called) on the first one looks fragile as shit, it would probably shatter in no time.
That second one looks bitching though.
>>28318431
Basket, and no. It might bend somewhat if it takes a strong direct hit, but it will keep your hand safe.
Unless it's poorly made of course.
>>28306850
The sword is basically the ideal sidearm, that fares ok against any other melee weapon.
It's a jack-of-all-trades that trades the offensive power of polearms for portability and is defensively great (it's balanced better for parrying than say a mace or axe, and it's got waaay more reach than a knife).
