Why the fuck no one in Syria, Ukraine, Yemen,etc... use suicide bomb rc fpv drone ?
Theses thing are cheap and easy to built, no ? With this kind of weapons you can have a huge ammount of "balistic missile" for few bucks.
I know Iran used 4 suicide drones against rebels in Syria, but this is so few in comparaison of the number of ATGM they fired for example ?
So why no use using this ? It sucks ?
>>28286449
lol, you are talking as it's easy to build this kind of rc plane...
>>28286449
an FPV with a good payload would be well north of 1000USD per unit, not including the hours of assembly. then take into the account the potential for failure and short radio range.
>>28286505
What a good playload ? 22 lbs of exploive ? Lol.
With 500 gram of explosive and shaped charge you can fuck up any non-armored vehicle/Mg/Cannon position.
>>28286449
We do have something like that. They're called guided missiles.
The main problem is that the commercially available drones have extremely small payloads, so it's not very efficient using them as suicide units. Better off keeping them in the air as long as possible to give your guys real time intel.
>>28286536
500 grams in the nose of an RC plane is a very large weight, you'd have to custom build the whole unit to balance it.
most of the cost of the unit isn't the frame or propulsion either, but the radios and FPV gear.
>>28286538
US Army already have Suicide drone, the Switchblade drone.
>>28286554
Yep, because the US has the money and tech to design a purpose built suicide drone. Your average durka doesn't.
>>28286548
No need to put the explosive in the nose, you can put it in the middle of the plane.
And FPV + radio system are a fixed cost. You don't need to re-buy it each time you "firing" a new suicide drone.
>>28286573
Deash already used a 150 USD dollars suicide drone. It's nothing for them.
Stop talking as it's cost 10k$ to build a drone, lol. Even poor kid can do it.
>>28286579
I'm talking the price of the ON BOARD gear.
look up the price of RC planes with FPV camera gear and radios onboard with a 500g payload.
the radios on the ground are reusable, yes.
>>28286611
The on board gear cost absolutely nothing.
For example a camera + transmitter cost only 40$ http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__73600__Aomway_Mini_200mW_VTX_and_FPV_Tuned_600TVL_Camera_Combo_NTSC_2_.html
>>28286596
>What are radio jammers
Cheap weapons often have cheap countermeasures.
>>28286667
Yeah right but drone radio jammer are not really used for the moment.
>>28286679
They will be shortly after these things take to the air.
>>28286695
Right, there is a real big market today because of theses drones threat.
You can make a lot of $$$$$ by selling a good drone jammer.
>>28286679
>nobody isemploying a countermeasure for a weapon nobody is using
gee, ya think?
after you launch a few, the cat is out of the bag and jammers will be used.
>>28286579
>No need to put the explosive in the nose
unless you want to use a shaped charge, which is necessary for the purposes you outlined in >>28286536
>>28286731
Don't argue, note the atrocious english.
>>28286731
>unless you want to use a shaped charge, which is necessary for the purposes you outlined in
You clearly don't know how shapped charge work. You need some distance between the target and your explosive. That why an rpg round is 50% empty.
Because they're tricky to build, the payload is pathetic, they're vulnerable and they have fucking ATGM's they can be using instead.
>>28286449
Because if you have the capacity to make reliable drone tech then you would better levy that ability in reconnaissance
>>28286857
Reconnaissance, yes but if you don't have good mortar/artillery. What the purpose of the drone ?
>>28286449
Slower than a missile. Can only engage once.
>>28286856
ATGM are too expensive and not available in large quantities.
>>28286536
Actually, these guys are selling off-the-shelf kits with a 20lb payload capacity.
http://xtremedrones.com/
>>28286928
Because even without Fire support assets of your own it allows you to remain aware of enemy troop movements and concentrations, spot enemy fire support and maneuver to avoid the yourselves.
Any war is won by information and logistics before the 1st shot is fired
>>28287038
Ok, with your reconnaissance drone you will know that there is 2 fortified mg sitting in front of you and that you can't move. What do you do ?
>>28287115
Realise that you fucked up
The people with the drones will be less retarded and use the drones to scout before moving into areas, if there is a fortified position you will be able to identify it before you make contact and therefore allow you to circumvent it without risking one of your soldiers lives
>>28287115
1st: Real life is not a video game.
If there is 2 MG positions in front you fall back and go around.
MG positions do not have prefect firing arcs in all directions, if for some reason you are going full retard already and attacking Fortified MG nests with no fire support of any kind, you would be able to look at the lay of the site and find areas where you could approach with the maximum of cover and/or only be covered by 1 of the nests
>>28287143
>>28287231
Or just use some ATGM from 2km and destroy these fucking mg. Or even better, use... suicide drone...
>>28286959
>and not available in large quantities.
Yes they fucking well are.
>>28287290
For a real and well equipped army yes they are but not a for poor army. I don't even talk about insurgent force.
>>28287365
You're staying purposefully ignorant of current affairs huh
>>28287370
So where am I wrong ? Insurgent force can't affoard a large ammount of ATGM. You don't know that ? Same thing for poor african army.
Stop thinking every army in this world have a big budget...
>>28287115
>I'll arbitarily construct a situation where a drone provides no significant advantage
>thus, by the power of mentally challenged logic, I have proven that a drone is useless in every other situation, too
:^)
>>28287397
Isis and FAA btfo's Syrian military tanks all the damn time, they ARE available.
>>28286449
>when usa/isreal do it it's called a precision guided missile
>when iran does it it's a suicide drone
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>>28287397
Have you not seen what's happening in Syria. The entire place is flooded with Russian, American and Chinese ATGM systems.
How can you not know this. Have you never seen a webm thread.
>>28287397
>Insurgent force can't affoard a large ammount of ATGM.
>You don't know that?
>You don't know that?
speaking from a point of ignorance and lacking knowledge is excusable
accusing others of the same thing just because you have no idea what you're talking about is not
piss off you fucking tard
>>28287437
L O L do you know the price of an ATGM in Syria ? This is fucking expensive, the ammount of ATGM fired in Syria is absolutely ridiculous in comparaison of what a real army can do.
I see a lot of Syrian video every day and I told you: If the rebels had a much larger amout of ATGM on their hands, they would have won since long time now.
Today only few FSA linked group can shoot many ATGM (TOW) without spending a fortune because they receive it direclty from Saudia.
>>28287504
Prove I am wrong.
If you talk about Syria, see this: >>28287595
>>28287411
Can't you read ? I said: "LARGE AMMOUNT".
A normal army can shoot +50 atgm in 1 days for examples. Not an insurgent force for example...
>>28287262
Or better yet, have information and don't put yourself in a fight you cannot win, see what I said previously about logistics and information
if you mean close the distance to a fortified position with a mini helicopter that would be destroyed before it got close enough to detonate and do damage.
The best minicopters of the like you've talked about are able to do around 60-70 kmh unloaded or around 30-40 when loaded and that's in western climates, these this will not perform anywhere close to that in the scenarios you are proposing as arid climates do not suit aviation well, feel free to read up on the issues many helicopters have in the same situations.
ATGMs are useful as their closing speed is several orders of magnitude faster, making any idea of response fire laughable, whilst also delivering larger payloads, also having one of these, which in your dumbass scenario you said no fire support. goalposts on wheels.
Small quadcopter-esque drones are only useful while they are not spotted, keeping them away from the combat while using them to gain an areal view allows you to gauge the effect of any fire support, like ATGM or mortars effectively This is how you use Logistics and Information to win
and in scenarios where you have failed in the logistical aspect of providing your forces with the ability to use the information from the drone to avoid threats that they are not equipped to deal with, this is Failing in logistics but wining in information
Because they're complex, they have a pathetic payload and they're easily shot down
You're not some genius who's managed to think of this when the rest of the world hasn't
>>28287595
>>28287620
>>28287639
The reason no progress is made in Syria is no-one has any cohesive plan and whatever forces there are cannot organize.
These Retarded UAV bombs are easily picked off, easily countered by jamming once you attempt to use them on anything beyond a laughable scale and the second you start trying to bulk buy them the markets you can buy them from will be closed by government intervention
They are ineffective and other than a 1 time 1 trick pony are useless
>>28287683
Why are you talking about minicopter ? Never talked about this. Minicopter are not rc plane.
And a powerful rc plane can go at 100km/h with only 1 rc edf fan and a playload of 2,5kg.
So....
>>28287683
Planes are better for suicide role. You don't need hover and recover capabilities of heli.
>Small quadcopter-esque drones are only useful while they are not spotted
Spotting small plane diving at 50 mph is not easy task.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dgvBb5ke-E
>>28287721
That why State governement begin to consider suicide drone as a real threat ? Even US army begin to use suicide drone, lol. You are the non-genius here.
And you can easily avoid the jaming by using other transmission system. But I don't want to talk more about that.
>>28287780
He is a ignorant, he don't know about what he is talking about. He never seen a real rc plane on his life...
>>28287765
Again look into aerodynamics in arid countries
Look into the numbers of supply available for these "Powerful RC planes"
Look into how fast companies can have their markets destroyed by government intervention the second you start this idea.
Attempting to use a Western toy as a large volume weapon in middle eastern warfare is the single most retarded idea I've seen here on 4chan in the last 3 months
>>28287787
>Threat against civilians in peacetime is exactly the same as trying to take out an MG position
>>28287757
No, the reason is that the insurgency don't have enough good weapons. They know exactly each Syrian army position (mg, mortar, tank sitting behind a mud wall,etc,etc...) but can't engage theses target from distance. They need to use ATGM but they are expensive and not available in large quantity.
And there is a lot of cohesive plan that work in Syria like Jaysh al-Fath or Southern Front.
>>28287780
>>28287787
>Purpose made military UAV is the same as a RC FPV toy plane
>>28287787
using an other transmission system, that is still easily jammable at best, or equally easily overridden in not propperly encrypted which adds much more to cost on this budget autism
>>28286449
>Slow
>Noisy
>Easy to detect
>Easy to jam, shoot down or mitigate by other means
>Usually have only a small payload
>Unreliable, especially under battlefield conditions
They are much cheaper than proper missiles, obviously, but you have to admit the drawbacks are pretty significant.
>>28286554
That is probably the closest missile/"suicide drone" to commercial/hobby-grade equipment, but it's still quite a bit faster and more ruggedized. It's also already expensive as fuck, because of the typical MIC markup.
>>28286679
Yes, they are. Existing IED jammers would be highly effective against hobby-grade RC equipment, since all this consumer-grade radio equipment operates in the same ISM bands.
>>28286706
>You can make a lot of $$$$$ by selling a good drone jammer.
FCC would shut your ass down and probably throw you in jail before you could even blink. They might be kinda slack-jawed about enforcement with most radio equipment, but deliberate jamming is one thing they aren't going to fuck around with.
>>28287826
>I have no idea what I'm talking about: The Post
There's a reason why all the arabs are begging for Western advisors to show them how to train officers to organize.
The difference between Bread and Arabs is you can make decent soldiers out of bread
>>28287757
>These Retarded UAV bombs are easily picked off, easily countered by jamming once you attempt to use them on anything beyond a laughable scale
In Donbass was explosive grows of mini- copter UAVs (made from hobby kits) use for recon by both sides and there were no easy or reliable counter to that. Recon yadda-yadda logistics and Information yadda-yadda. Yeah they were used for recon because there were not enough units even for recon. Both sides were no ready and militaries were BTFO by hobbyist in tactical recon role. But when this role is covered ist pretty logical to use these systems for other roles. It just militaries are falling behind electronic technology which moves to fast for them.
>>28287831
>UAV is the same as a RC FPV toy plane
>implying there is difference
>implying militaries do not use COTs more and more
>>28287877
>Not enough assets to use as recon
>Lets blow up assets that we could use as Recon
So now, after that 1 trick pony, have a look at how much effect they had, and if they are still being used in what numbers. heres a hint.
The answer is none
>>28287871
Nothing to do with being arab or not. Arab army are shity because their budget are ridiculous and when they have a bid budget they didn't made war since a long time, lol.
But seriously use your brain and stop talking with your hate. How the fuck can you defeat an army when you have shity weapons and the only good weapons that you have are not available in large quantity ?
>>28287844
>Existing IED jammers would be highly effective against hobby-grade RC equipment
Existing IR jammers would be highly effective against Russain Metises and Fagots. Nevertheless these ATGMS continue to be used with great effect.
>>28287908
>I have no idea what the difference between a weapon and a toy is
>>28287924
You don't get point. Read my post again and get it.
>>28287953
>I have no idea what explosives are
>>28287115
fly it between them so they shoot eachother
>>28287940
By using proper control of you own logistics and making sure you win the war for information
And yes it does have everything to do with being Arab or not, Realism is not hate, the total lack of discipline makes any form of tactics laughable as they strip their uniforms, abandon equipment and comrades alike in the desperate run for self preservation.
Didn't make war since long time? Have you ever tried reading a book on the Middle-East?
The Saudi's are the 4th best funded armed force in the world, India the 8th, Iraq the 15th.
Arabs lose wars as they cannot into tactical doctrine and intergration
>>28287983
Because the explosives are the only things that are important, reliable systems that are not easily compromised and flown back at you are totally not a consideration
>>28287964
No I got the point you where trying to make, it was just retarded and proved everyone else in the threads point that its a retarded 1 trick pony
>>28288064
>The Saudi's are the 4th best funded armed force in the world, India the 8th, Iraq the 15th.
India ? wtf ?
Ok another son of bitch hater who don't even know what he is talking about, lol.
And Iraq got completly destroyed by US forces. US government have created as soon as possible a shity army and look the result today, lol.
>>28288126
You mean the US created a competent army that the Iraqi government dismantled because they feared a coup after the Americans left
>>28288126
He was listing off the top brown forces that are well funded but hilariously useless.
The Indian Military is better funded than the German armed forces, so tell us again how cash is the only issue
>>28288195
Competent army ? lol, the army that they created was so shity that the iraqi soldier abandonned their position during the US precense in Iraq ?
The new Iraqi army created by USA was a piece of shit full of opportunist and corrupt people.
Same thing today, nothing changed.
>>28288223
No this idiot was obviously listing the "arabs" army with best budget.
/k/ is really a place full of retard, lol.
>>28288321
And you know what all of those armies have in common?
Hint: incompetence.
