itt: embarassing defeats
>Polish last stand, Warsaw is being defended by essentially all that is left of the Polish army
>both sides are more or less even
>Soviets inflict 35000 casualties
>Poles inflict up to 125000
>Majority of the Soviet commanders are later purged
>inb4 honorary emu war
>>28277946
How much are we allowed to go back in time?
>>28278067
10th century
>>28278067
As far as you want senpai
>>28278076
>>28278075
As a portuguese fag, I'll contriboot with some less know battles, that are amazing for diferent reasons. Guess the one behind this battle.
Pro tip: other than the casualties
>>28277946
>minimum soviet strength: 104,000
>minimum soviet casualties: 110,000
wat, how do the russians always managed to get btfo
>>28277946
Pretty much any battle the Italians have been in
Never leave the Italians in charge of anythings, especially the Italians.
>>28278107
The way Russian society works, if their military was actually free of political control the way Western militaries are, they'd have a military coup the next day.
>>28278067
Only to the point when time travel was invented.
>>28277946
Britons were so ashamed of this one, their king actually FORBADE to even TALK about it.
>>28277946
>>28278201
AHAHAHAHAAH holy shit the Turks didn't even bother to show up
>>28278201
most amusing part is that butthurt Austriafags nerfed the Wikipedia article a few months ago
>>28278190
reminds me of that refugee camp the scouts hit up
>>28278201
/r/ing the 2/3 greentext posts about the russian navy armada during the Russo-Japanese War
>>28278269
Goddamned Tsushima. BRB>
>>28278106
>>28278241
just for you
>>28278269
I got your back anon.
>>28278217
not only Austrians
>filename
>>28278190
>>28278282
Seems like Mugabe can't do anything right.
>>28278282
ye, thanks nigga
>>28278287
Many thanks based anon, I hope you get beer and cookies for /k/ristmas
>>28278296
IS there any reason as to why the Rodhesians never bothered to assassinate Adolf Niggler back in the day?
>>28278106
The first use of the line formation?
>>28278281
Spainfag here, that's not an humilliating defeat. That's a regular defeat. We've had MUCH worse in the past. Pic related. Please delete your post - it doens't belong ITT
>>28278365
Nope. Basically, it did set the stage for >>28278369
>>28278348
might have ended up with someone that was harder to defeat.
>>28278410
Hmm, good point.
>>28278384
Dude, really? That's all you get? You didn't get his joke?
Also, Aljubarrota was a sort of pre-Agincourt, except better. And the battlefield is very, very well preserved, unlike any other case of an "english formation". It's a pity it's not better known.
>>28278348
>>28278410
They were going to assassinate Mugabe but called it off 20 minutes before the bomb was to go off. Turns out one of the Lead Political Officers was a turncoat and feeding information to the British for years who in turn relayed it to Mugage. That's how they found out that the Rhodesians had placed explosives in a microphone on Mugabe's podium. The ZANU removed all the microphones and Mugabe used a Megaphone. This was all after Mugabe had (through coercion, systematic rape, murder and torture) one the election in Rhodesia.
>>28278254
Two groups of Austrians coming from different oparts of their then-huge Empire (and speaking different languages) come near the Turish lines. SOldiers of one group "liberate" some supplies from teh other group, get discovered, yell "Turks! Turks!" to create some confusion to help get away. Second group actually believes it's a Turkish attack and starts panicking, opens fre blindly in all directions. First group ALSO thinks it's a Turkish attack (remembenr, different languages, no "STOP SHOTING AT US YOU MORONS!" worked here) and starts shooting at second group.Second group returns fire. Shit escalates. Next morning, Turkish scouts atracted by the noise discover two self-defeated Austrian armies. Turkish army (not yet in the area) double times to actually move in to claim the zone. Hilarity ensues.
How about this?
>>28278479
didnt the Austrian Emperor get rekt in that since his royal carriage got flipped over by thousands of his retreating men, running from themselves?
>>28278479
Interesting, though back then it was much more common to know 4-5 different languages since nation states were so prevalent and your ruler one day might speak a different language than your ruler next week. Though I imagine the "fog of war" was a bigger factor than simply not knowing what the other side was saying.
>>28278506
how the fuck do 350,000 men go missing
>>28278432
No, really. Maybe because I studied it as story, without jokes. Care to share?
Also Aljubarrota was "Crezy II, but this time with crossbows" (even though the Brits try to claim it was their archers - actually it was their commander, who old teh Portuguese commander how to place the crosbowmen, who were the ones who actually did the job. Again. Just like in Atoleiros).
>>28278527
By running away probably.
>>28278506
You should post the LAST battle of that war, since this is an "embarassing defeats" thread. What's more embarrasing than losing to Italy, dear Austria?
>>28277946
What happens when you send in tanks without securing airspace.
>>28278527
>>28278546
Artillery in WW1 was nasty and people fallen in no man's land often was pulped to the point of not being identifiable as KIA. That's why.
>>28278527
They're Italians, they probably decided to hoof it home.
>>28278188
How the fuck?
>>28278531
Read the goddamn file name, you autist.
Aljubarrota had both types of missile troops, longbowmen (english) and crossbowmen (portuguese), in two wings. plus, the 200 or so english archers, would hardly be enough to do anything. Regardless, the positioning was everything, along with the obstacles.
As Fernão Lopes said, (not his exact quote, but close) "the terrain was very plain, balanced, and clear of obstacles... And if it wasn't so, the fault lies with those that did not notice"
>>28278569
Just no. It's impossible to kill and grind an entire army into a bloody pulp within just two weeks.
Y'all got any battles involving Americans? Any era is fine
>>28278611
Oh. I missed the filename. He hee, nice one.
(BTW, the word you were looking for isn't "autist", it's "nearsighted")
>200 or so
That doesn't preclude the Brits from claiming THEY did all the job, of course
>>28278655
Yeah, the thousands of portuguese were just serving snacks and wine.
>>28278460
I feel a pang in my heart every time I'm reminded of Rhodesia's fall.
>>28278641
Ayy senpai, I gotchu
>>28277946
The Bolsheviks were absolutely pathetic.
>>28278601
Gross overconfidence. Just like this one:
Pity there's no Wikipedia table of the First Battle of Bir El Gubi, the time Britain managed to lose to Italy in WW2. So, greentext time
>north of Africa, Operation Compass in progress
>strongpoint of Italian resistence
>usual Italian forces were poorly led, poorly trained, poorly equiped, with low morale; predictably surrender-prone
>THIS particular pocket was well entrenched, well equiped, well led, troops were a mix of Ariete (the best of the Italian army) and volunteers with something to prove (as they actually had to figfht their own HQ to be granted the permission to be there); all of them shouting for British blood
>Commonwealth troops (Australia and New Zealand) engage them, get repeled with some loses
>British decide to attack
>Southerns warn them "those pastas aren't exactly ready to mass-cry "chi arrendiamo", pals!"
>Britons ignore them
>English attack plan is, LITERALLY, to charge in a wide line abreast formation, making a lot of noise and allowing to be clearly seen, to "scare the Italians into suerrendering"
>predictable lack of Italian cooperation with the British plan
>40+ tanks loss in very short time
Pffffft.
Also,
>other Allied forces have no diffculty winning the SECOND Battle of Bir El Gubi the following day, anyway
>>28278679
That's just what we do, man..
Snacks and wine...
Nobody ever suspects Portugal of anything..
Except the discovery of the free world...
Teaching the Dutch how to start a slave trade
Fucking over the Chinese before most anyone could get in there..
Snacks and wine, man.
Snacks and wine.
>>28278796
>there's no Wikipedia table of the First Battle of Bir El Gubi,
I see why the English wikipedia doesn't, but I bet the Italian WIkipedia does have one
>>28277946
Not even the most embarrassing of the entire war
>>28278854
>yfw Stalin was so mad about this he had the entire Polish officer corps killed
>>28278854
They even joined the Anglo-Austrain club of "european countries that have managed to somehow lose a battle against XX Century Italy"
>>28278854
>>28278880
Why havent i ever heard about this war before, do the russians act like nothing happened?
>>28278893
Added to writting "Austrain" instead of Austrian, I forgot to mention the pastas made a FUCKING CAVALRY CHARGE AT THE SABER against Russian artillery and machineguns.
>>28278918
That and Hitler just up and gave Poland to the reds.
>>28278918
Russians understandably pretend it never happened and the West just couldn't give less of a shit.
>>28277946
Adrian Carton De Wiart, English officer part of the British military mission to Poland
>On 27 July 1920, Carton de Wiart was appointed an Aide-de-camp to the King, and brevetted to colonel.[28] He was active in August 1920, when the Red Army were at the gates of Warsaw. While out on his observation train, he was attacked by a group of Red cavalry, and fought them off with his revolver from the footplate of his train, at one point falling on the track and re-boarding quickly.
>>28278925
Hitler wasnt in power in 1920
>>28278918
>>28278788
Russiaboos don't promote it and unfortunately Polish history isn't really a subject of discussion in the west.
>>28278880
He should have killed himself. The units he commanded usually had the highest casualties and the rarest successes.
>>28278962
Poland is getting rowdy as fuck
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/20/the-raid-on-nato-was-just-a-symptom-of-poland-s-deeper-troubles.html
>>28278988
Liberal propaganda due to Poland not accepting refugees under the EU quotas and remaining a conservative powerhead.
>>28278994
I kind of like what Poland is doing, staying conservative. Like theyre saying fuck you to the EU and the bullshit that they try to pass
I only wish they had pro fun laws
>>28278515
>back then it was much more common to know 4-5 different languages
Not if you're a dirt-poor peasant or laborer. That's why multi-lingual forces are such a clusterfuck.
>>28278641
Sure man.
>>28279010
I was under the impression that they weren't terrible, but anywhere outside of the US is pretty much just a huge downgrade.
>>28279048
Jesus Christ, here I am trying to picture this ungodly chaotic shitstorm in the skies with hundreds of aircrafts in just one battle.
>>28278527
artillery induced avalanches
>>28278641
>>28278479
There's literally no proof it ever happened. It's an old tale talked up during the war to keep up morale in the Turkish ranks..
Sorry to burst your bubble.
embarrassing defeats aren't complete without russia in WW1
>>28278620
I don't think you understand what a meat grinder the western front was.
>>28278287
>one of the cruiser's has to stop practice because of a "very large snake wrapped around the breech of their fore battery"
Holy hell you can't make this shit up my sides have taken off and ascended into orbit JFC
>>28279306
MFW I realize that the first 4 decades of the 20th century weeded out all incompetent commanders, and now they are ubermensch?
>>28278560
Damn son, they pooed all OVER their loo
>>28279478
>lose back 2 back world wars
>calling anyone untermensch
heh
>>28279541
Now, I said ubermensch, and as a question.
>>28279612
Whatever Naziboo dont forget who won
>>28279630
yes, the marxists.
>>28277946
Why would the Polish surrender? They're going to get Katyn'd if they survive the battle.
>>28279762
Nobody mentioned anything about surrender in the thread, that and the Poles were ready to fight to the death
>>28279541
>illiterate vatnik fuck
>untermensch
pick 2
>>28278506
Watching the Great War series on YouTube has taught me many things. One of which is that when you hear the name "Luigi Cadorna" you should immediately think "Horrific planning and failure to understand the concept of morale".
Anyone have the screencap of the anon talking about how 600 paras from Rwanda(?) almost took a country?
>>28279306
That's what you get when you don't encrypt your radio messages.
>>28280282
Gotcha man, you're in luck that I'm here.
Here is the full documentary if you're interested in where that info came from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDRZvjgb5Hw
>>28280282
>>28280785
Oh wait, you might be talking about a different one.
>>28279175
Gunpowder and Organization beats Spears and Bix Nood
Nothing to see here, move along.
>>28280884
>>28278641
>>28281112
There was a battle in China where some 20 000 people were eaten afterwards.
>>28281199
The Ottoman Empire Defeating the Byzantine Empire is was the worst things to ever happen in the last 2000 years.
