Looks like the Chinese now have a Growler based on the Flanker platform.
It even has similiar wingtip jamming-receiver pods like the AN/ALQ-218 on the EA-18G Growler...
>>28273256
The pods, which look like the AN/ALQ-218 TJSR on the Growler...
>>28273262
One can also see the small antennae ontop the pods.
The engines seem to be WS-10s, which would be another evidence that the maturity of chinese engine tech is coming along.
>>28273265
Compared with the standard J-16, the J-16 EW (or "JD-16" according to rumors), has no gun and a different shorter radome for a EW-capable AESA radar. It's actual electronic attack pods have not been revealed, but they are likely AESA based like the New Generation Jammer as well, since China has shown similiar systems on the Y-8 based EW planes already.
The lack of a gun is also a 'feature' of the Growler, btw.
>>28273272
Now, after the J-11D advanced Sino-Flanker, the Chinese have again showed that they really love the Flanker-platform and will produce gazillion spin-offs of it in the future as well.
>>28273256
Wingtip pods are not jammers, my retarded .50c friend.
>>28273280
They are jamming-receiver pods, as said. For ELINT and stuff.
Impressive
Truly this is far more powerful than the Russian Su-34 EW plane and the F-35 EW plane. It is one of a kind and has no analog anywhere in the world.
>>28273284
No, they do not jam at all. Full stop.
They are a RWR and SIGINT device.
>>28273294
Never indicated that they are for jamming.
The name basically says it: ALQ-218 Tactical Jamming System Receiver (TJSR).
>>28273294
Lol
Do you have any proofs? Are you a shill? Why do you think you know more than shills? Your just an internet keyboard person, do not think you know more information than who really has.
>>28273306
He just cant read. OP never said that they were for jamming. These pods are merely jamming-receiver pods, meaning that they detect the enemy radar signals and their frequencies, giving the actual jamming systems the information they need to jam the fuck out of that frequency.
Alternatively, they also detect weak signals like datalink transmissions and give the pods the info for jamming them as well.
These pods are very critical systems and I wonder how the Chinese acquired that technology... Hummm.
>>28273303
You basically did not say the same.
The pods are for receiving jamming systems, and analyzeing the signals for elint.
You said, ver batim "wingtip jamming-receiver pods" jamming and receiving.
The pods do not jam. They dont send out signals at all.
>>28273313
Jamming-receiver is not "jamming system receiver"
Learn to grammer before criticizing others reading comprehension.
>>28273315
Anon, if something has dual roles, you put a "/" between the two terms, not a "-".
I suggest you go back to school.
CHINA STRONG
Now with these EW planes escorting strike fighters with supersonic AShM, american carrier groups will get BTFO even harder.
My scenario stands!
>>28273326
/ or slant means and or, or, but not both.
http://www.thepunctuationguide.com/slash.html
Useing a hypen to conjoin to unlike words, OP said essentially the same thing. He also used it incorrectly.
>>28273313
Seeing as how they look just like the russian wingtip pods, its pretty obvious.
>>28273278
Will it be their new mig21 j7?
Bumpin with dead russian carrier flanker
Yet another weapon with which China will push US out of the SCS
>>28273287
i like you
>>28273287
Cant say F-35, but it is indeed better than the Su-34, which is merely an attack plane with EW pods.
The JD-16 has EW integrated in its design, built in pods and EW-specialized AESA. They went great lengths in removing the gun and the IRST in a Flanker-platform to stuff it full with EW-relevant electronics.
It is an equivalent to the EA-18G, if anything, and not merely a bomber with some pods.
>>28273733
>It is an equivalent to the EA-18G, if anything
You cannot say this without some semblance of proof.
When the NGJ drops, it will be unparalleled.
>>28273362
Well, the Russian pods are removable and arent built inside the design. And the Russian pods are self-protection ECM jammers, not ELINT/ESM pods that feed the dedicated jammers.
Here, a british EA-18G on her maiden flight, also with non-removable, integrated ELINT pods.
>>28273744
It is a dedicated EW plane, unlike the Su-34, which is just a standard bomber with EW pods.
This alone puts it at least in the league of other Fighter-based but dedicated EW planes, which only has the EA-18G as its sole representative.
Sure, a Chinese NGJ equivalent will decide whether it really can match the EA-18G or not, but as it is now, it is at least in the same class of EW planes.
>>28273745
We have no idea what the chinese wingtip pods do, or if they are removable, so there is no way to tell either way.
However, they physically resemble Russian hardware more than western. (longer and thinner vs shorter and fatter, with variance of course)
>>28273369
EW carrier variant J-15 soon.
>>28273358
Actually, with an "or" statement, both options could be true.
>>28273763
Maiden flights arent usually completed with ordnance or pods, expect when they are built in and you cant help it.
Like this:
>>28273745
Also the pods do resemble the ALQ-218, as they also feature those vertical antennae ontop of them, and the slanted tips on both ends:
>>28273265
>>28273262
>>28273758
Sure, they are both dedicated EW planes, but "as good as" is a qualifier the plane has yet to make.
>Sure, a Chinese NGJ equivalent
Chinese dont have a modern dedicated jamming pod as it is (as far as i know, and not in any real numbers if a few sudoprototypes are kicking around), nothing to speak of next gen stuff.
>>28273786
>Maiden flights arent usually completed with ordnance or pods, expect when they are built in and you cant help it.
This is true of of virgin planes, not variants, nor do we know if this is a maiden flight or not.
>>28273786
The russian pods also have horizontal (thats what you meant, i assume) antennae.
LIke the russians, the chinese pods sit flush with the back of the wing and extend post the front, as apposed to western designs that sit right in the middle.
>>28273788
Chinese do have dedicated jamming pods, already used on their JH-7A naval strikers.
And they have AESA based Jammers on their dedicated Y-8 jamming planes.
>>28273807
The Y-8G, ECM plane, with two huge AESA antennae for long range jamming.
>>28273745
>british EA-18G
>>28273814
Su-30MKK with newer Chinese ECM attack pods under its fuselage, in addition to the Russian wingtip ECM pods.
>>28273807
>And they have AESA based Jammers on their dedicated Y-8 jamming planes.
We are talking about fighter based platforms, not multi engine EWAR planes.
>Chinese do have dedicated jamming pods, already used on their JH-7A naval strikers.
I said modern. Those jamming pods rely on inboard power, so their output will be severely diminished.
Interestingly, though, they seem to work in tandem, each pod doing something different (speculated to be one elint pod and one ECM jammer)
>>28273381
This 2bh.
In any Taiwan scenario, China would completely wreck the Taiwanese IADS with these planes conducting SEAD, while Chinese strike bombers escorted by these planes would be able to apprach US CVBGs and sink them with YJ-12 AShMs.
>>28273838
here
>>28273807
To add, those look EXTREMELY similar to the westinghouse AN/ALQ-119's the us put on their phantoms.
>>28273775
>Those ducts
just fuck my RCS up
>>28273838
>I said modern. Those jamming pods rely on inboard power, so their output will be severely diminished.
Yeah, the more modern ones have air-intakes for powering themselves.
>>28273821
The prison colony remains a part of Her Majesty's domain.
>>28273744
An equivalent, in roles. Not as capabilities as those aren't known. And it applies to the EA-18G, too.
They're both purpose built EW machines based on fighter airframes.
>>28273859
>To add, those look EXTREMELY similar to the westinghouse AN/ALQ-119's the us put on their phantoms.
Well, I dont know. They are larger than the ALQ-119...
>>28273865
Idk, I think RCS doesn't matter that much when you have to carry big ass pods to carry out your job, and in this case the "job" involves lighting yourself up like a christmas tree since that's the side effect of jamming equipment.
I wonder what AR missiles they would use. The Kh-31 is kinda an overkill for most stuff...
>>28273906
It allows you to be detect far further out, even when not radiating.
>>28273913
Doesn't really work like that, you're either stealthy or not stealthy for all practical purposes.
>>28273877
The KG-600 is a self defense pod that the PLA threw on their H-6's.
It jams, but its focus is on pulse dopplar radars.
Not quite the same thing as the ALQ-99. (unless they are doing upgrades from one platform to another, but then again, that starts to go into the psudo prototype territory i mentioned)
>>28273897
>An equivalent, in roles
Ok.
>>28273898
ALQ-119 are quite big anon, but nobody expects a 1:1 copy.
>>28273914
..thats not true at all
>>28273914
>Doesn't really work like that, you're either stealthy or not stealthy for all practical purposes.
No, there is a great lot of wiggle room anon.
For example, the hornet vs the super hornet, the F-35 with hardpoints vs without, etc.
Detection ranges are not binary.
>>28273923
>>28273927
But they are. Once you show up once on the radars of some nation, they'll track you down even if you're B-2 levels of stealth.
So you either never show up, or you're going to be detected again very quickly.
This is of course against well equipped nations, against anything else you don't even need stealth.
>>28273935
You really need to shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about and go back to Ace Combat, champ.
>>28273935
>But they are
No.
Sir you are just plain wrong. The range at which you "show up" is very dependant on the RCS of the aircraft.
Thats why an F-15 wont be seen before a B-52 if both are right next to each other ingressing on the radar.
>>28273912
China has a number of more modern alternatives, such as the LD-10, a PL-12 based ARM (but only 60km range) or the new CM-102 ARM with 100km range.
They all are more compact than the KH-31, even though with lower range.
In the end, I expect something like a 250km ranged CM-400AKG in ARM-role. For its range, it is quite compact so that even a light fighter like the JF-17 can carry two of them. And Mach 4 or 5 in terminal attack mode will make it a good weapon to breach even Aegis defenses.
>>28273938
>>28273943
Oh alright. I guess it really fucking matters a lot if your plane gets detected 50 km later, which at plane speeds is like not even 30 seconds.
Especially if your plane is an EW aircraft that will soon light up on the entire fucking nations radar grid.
>>28273962
>I guess it really fucking matters a lot if your plane gets detected 50 km later,
yes, actually
thats a massive thing
>>28273962
>Oh alright. I guess it really fucking matters a lot if your plane gets detected 50 km later
one, your scale is wrong, and two, yes, it matters because a missle will travel that distance a hell of alot faster.
Cry more.
>>28273369
I cant understand why Russia loves those side-by side seats. I imagine them to be quite gay, as the pilots can fellate each other during long flights.
Straight CIS white males use tandem seats.
http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-news-2015/december/2217-china-s-new-electronic-warfare-variant-of-the-j-16-fighter-reportedly-made-its-maiden-flight.html
>3 hours ago
>A dedicated electronic warfare variant of the Shenyang J-16 strike fighter has been unveiled by China's People's Libeartion Army Air Force (PLAAF) last week. The aircraft made its maiden flight on December 18, 2015, and is in many aspects similar to the US-made EA-18G Growler EW fighter aircraft.
>Some differences appeared according to pictures released on internet. The J-16 EW variant is fitted with side-facing arrays near its radome and also extra arrays emplaced throughout its fuselage. Its wingtip jamming receiver pods seem similar to the AN/ALQ218. The infra-red search and track (IRST) system and the 30 mm gun have been removed.
>The Shenyang J-16 is an upgraded strike variant of the J-11BS, featuring a 1760-channel AESA radar from the 607th Institute, upgraded WS-10 engines, a next-generation cockpit, improved ECM/EW capabilities, increased use of composites and RAM, strengthened hardpoints, and an improved fly-by-wire system, among other enhancements.
Damn, they are lurking here on /k/
>>28274024
>a next-generation cockpit
Shit, China has reached second gen?
>>28274035
Likely it will use the same pit as the J-15. 3 ful color MFDs and a wide-angle holographic HUD.
>>28274054
>3 MFD
I mean five.
>>28274054
If you weren't so cripplingly chinese you would understand what a joke is.
>>28274054
>>28274062
>posts within 30 seconds
>I
THE FACADE CRACKS
>>28274067
Yeah, two posts are by me.
>>28274054
>>28274062
More:
View on the wide angle HUD.
>>28273369
>Will it be their new mig21 j7?
Imagine one day, China still producing Flanker variants for cheap for the 3rd world market, making it affordable even for private owners.
>>28273758
What if , Russians made an EW variant of the Su 34 ?? They do that for Su 24s.
>>28274082
That HUD is so badass. Reminds me of some F-16's huds.
>>28273324
Everyone else seems to have been able to understand what he meant. Everyone but you.
>>28273256
50 yuan have been deposited in your account
>>28275659
I too was about to say something about OP being wrong, but that guy covered it.
No, OP said something false, got corrected, thats it. What he meant is pointless, what he said is what he said.
>>28277401
now that's autism.
>>28273984
might be fun if you have a female co-pilot, you can fingerbang her while she jacks you off while both of you still retain control of the plane.
>>28278780
Gives 'joystick' a whole new meaning.
>>28274082
>2015
>making an aircraft with a HUD
HMD or go home
The Malaysian already done that. It was called SU-30MKM "Growlerski". A first ECM/EW Sukhoi platform designed and build outside Russia.A multi-role platform with SAP-518 ECM pod and mix of SAP-14 jamming pod is considered similar to the United States ALQ-99 jamming system installed on the EA-6B Prowler and EA-18G Growler.
>>28279427
No, mudlaysia will never beat Singapore. Never in a thousand years.
