The Chinese are mad that America flew B-52s over the South China Sea.
Get fucked, China.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-35140802
>>28253302
>The USA will still do nothing coz Globalism
>Those islands will still be annexed.
It's similar to that destroyer move months ago. IRL shitposting.
>>28253308
More like
>US will still do nothing because our government would rather piss away money on social programs and the Middle East
We seriously need a president who is willing to take a hard stand against China and send them back to the Open Door era, where we are the ones selling stuff to them and not the other way round
>>28253332
We "sell" them F-35 schematics all the time :^)
It's pure political animalism, that's what the wolves do - they mark their territory, growl and show their fangs when the stranger comes near, but neither really does shit. As US economic influence in the Pacific and worldwide declines the military remains last argument old limping wolf can use to show that he still got what it takes to lead the pack.
[prease reave quickry intensifies]
>>28253332
We need someone who will make America great again!
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/chinese-papers-threat-to-raaf-it-would-be-a-shame-if-one-day-a-plane-fell-from-the-sky/news-story/1af82a742f134678de32ccc7cda0c15e
‘It would be a shame if one day a plane fell from the sky’
>>28253302
U mad? Did China steal your job?
>>28253302
Has America done tu95-esq troll flights much in the past with bombers or is it mainly unarmed planes loaded with SIGINT?
Meh, it is not like China loses anything from these overflights.
Their artificial island bases are progressing fast and now even feature a track and field and two tennis courts!
>>28253527
And Meiji Island gets an airfield as well.
>>28253527
Tennis courts? I would have thought a ping pong table more likely
>>28253529
Bigga than the rest
>>28253367
If we use that analogy, China would be the toy poodle that the pack tolerates. Toy poodles are yappy and annoying, they shit everywhere. They spend half their time growling and showing their teeth. The other half is spent shivering and pissing. And if they get annoying enough, it's easy to punt them over the garage.
Yeah, toy poodle definitely works for this analogy.
>>28253527
Fucking hell if those are tennis courts then that runway must be massive
>>28253308
It's the equivalent to us walking by and going "U WUT M8?" every time they make a territorial claim.
They tell us to stay out of the strait between them and Taiwan, we roll a carrier through there. U HAVIN' A GIGGLE M8?
They tell us to stay away from their artificial island, we roll a destroyer right by it. I'M SORRY, BUT YOUR AUTHORITY IS NOT RECOGNIZED IN FT KICKASS!
>>28253630
...but they're still carrying on. Most US forces stationed in the Philippines are just there so that Philippines proper doesnt get rolled over.
>>28253636
Yes, but they went from "WE WILL DESTROY ALL WHO VIOLATE OUR WATERS!" to "you baka bakas, I'm sending you a strongly worded letter through the UN for this."
>>28253567
Have you never been to an airport in your life?
>>28253680
Well for one: that warning is obviously for the other turd worlders
And two: they know the US will not stay around anyway. Just passing through.
Also the Chinese never complained about it in the UN. Since, you know, the Flips are complaining about THEM in the UN.
>>28253696
You typically don't look down from the stratosphere when you're for your luggage senpai, you may want to try a different analogy
>>28253535
America war mongering as usual
>>28253884
50 cents have deposited to your account.
>>28253302
IT WAS ANTMAN AND HIS CARGO BOMBS FULL OF GENETICALLY MODIFIED KILLER ANTS FUCK RUN HE'S GONNA KILL US ALL!!!
>>28253884
The US should start building islands in the Spratly's and claim it as their territory. I mean it's obviously a reasonable thing to do.
>>28253861
The first number is area in square kilometers, the second is runway length in meters. That big island >>28253527 is 2.6 km2.
>>28253915
i think that's a fine idea
>>28253332
is the average /k/tard a Trump voter?
>>28253915
Why build dirt carriers when you actually have carriers?
>>28254015
You can't claim territorial waters (and oil resources there) with a carrier.
>>28253861
What's the point of the shitter islands with no runways?
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1646025/us-asks-china-stop-building-spratlys-island-which-could-host-airfield?page=all
>P-please stop building bases!
What a bunch of cuckolds
![rockall-map[6].png](https://i.imgur.com/n3rxD2N.png "rockall-map[6].png")
There's fuckall on Rockall, but it extends the UK how far...
China is using dirt movers for the same reason.
>>28254037
It's you clay and your waters around the island. You don't need a runway for that.
>>28254015
Unsinkable, huge, cheap. But we know that wasn't a serious question anyway.
>>28254059
Pic related.
>>28253302
>giving China more legitimations for a more agressive policy
>sending an old B-52 bomber
How America has fallen.
>>28253302
Chinese strategists are laughing their asses off at how pathetic our strategy has been.
Obama didn't even respond until October. We waited three fucking years and now their islands are complete.
Our only hope is either to unify ASEAN against China, or Obiwan Kenobi.
>>28254152
More like
>sending the bomber that would be flattening those islands if we didn't have ooga booga in office
>>28254190
We need a guy who makes America great again!
>>28254175
Vietnam,Indonesia,Philippines,Republic of China and Malaysia has beef with China
and China only has Pakistan and North Korea as allies
>>28254152
What we should do is park a destroyer 5 miles from their island and watch it day and night, sending banter back and forth through the comms.
Instead we sail past it quickly and then proceed to sail through the other 4 nations claimed islands. This would show that we are taking an anti-Chinese side, so either you're with us or against us.
Instead we are playing it safe, and the building continues.
UNCLOS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea
>>28254204
>all candidates for the Republicans are jokes
There is no hope.
>>28254244
>so either you're with us or against us.
That would make the USA pretty lonely very fast.
Impressive
China did the right thing in defending its territory.
>>28254023
You can't claim territorial waters either if the formation you start building on is not above the surface at high tide.
>Subi Reef
>Naturally above water only at low tide.
>Fiery Cross Reef(s)
>Rocks up to 1 m high [18]; [5] says all below high tide, but guano deposits disagree.
>Johnson South Reef
>Contiguous with Collins Reef. [18] says naturally above water only at low tide, but [9] says many rocks above water at high tide.
>Mischief Reef
>Some rocks above water at low tide. Has a lagoon [18].
http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part8.htm
http://www.southchinasea.org/2011/08/19/digital-gazetteer-of-the-spratly-islands/
China doesn't build those artificial islands to claim anything though.
It's about controlling the area.
>>28254351
well that worked really well for the japs in Truk,Rabaul,Kokoda,Guadacanal,Saipan,Kwajalein,Betio,Okinawa,Palau,Formosa,Curadugao and Iwo Jima did it
>>28254244
>What we should do is park a destroyer 5 miles from their island and watch it day and night, sending banter back and forth through the comms.
You realize the Chinese and American navy send the bantz quite a bit right, they're like truckers at this point, same with a lot of Russian and American pilots. Armchair generals crack me up with this saber-rattling.
>>28254381
I'm not sure what is your point here. But it worked indeed quite well for Japan.
>>28254381
Well 400,000 US troops died before the Japs gave up those islands.
>>28254381
I think you're conflating the purpose of why the Chinese and Japanese control the islands. The Chinese are parked next to substantial oil and natural gas reserves that they desperately need to keep the economy going. The Japanese occupied most of those Islands to slow (or in their minds, effectively stall) our advance towards Japan, or at least until we could be within bombing range.
>>28254244
>either you're with us or against us.
hey Jeb its time to stop stealing Wal Mart's wi-fi
>>28254241
They have had beef with China since the 80's. The SCS dispute isn't something new.
Even the new Chinese aggression isn't going to change much. The nationalist politicians may try inflaming anti-Chinese sentiment (as they have throughout history) and they might let their people kill off and destroy all the Chinese businesses. But when Chinese money comes calling the politicians get real quiet.
The only nations we can count on are the Japanese and Flips. One requires us to be attacked first and the other is useless.
Hence our weak hand and China's continued aggression.
>>28254259
We have not signed that. Hence our awkward position when we argue we are enforcing it.
>>28254413
>400,000
Try about 100,000 killed or missing
>>28254526
Actually, japs changed their constitution very recently. They can send combat troops to aid an ally now.
>>28254271
So you think the other claimants are going to not pick a side?
Because if we lose, they lose their islands pretty fast.
We need to force their hands. Their governments are bought by the Chinese. Similar to our own.
We aren't starting a war. We simply need to make our position known instead of playing chicken.
>>28254550
>I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about but 'MURICA STRONK CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP
>>28254526
>They have had beef with China since the 80's.
Try 20's (in ROC's case) and '49 (in PRC's case)
The only reason why this is so was because from that decade to the late 70's, the Red Chinks have no Navy and Airforce to speak off while the Free(tm) Chinks are cucked to death by the USA its forced to play nice with the Philippines.
>>28254416
This is such a bad meme.
They THINK there MIGHT be oil. But right now oil prices in no way justify operating rigs in that area.
The sea trade argument is also pointless because most of it passes right next to Vietnam, over 200 miles away. It's not like the Chinese are going to be able to blockade that entire area without getting devastated by the US and ASEAN. It would be a declaration of war on every nation in the area.
No, China did this to solidify its claim in any future dispute resolution. That's what China wants. Some rights to the region so they can expand power and one day be granted rights to a few islands.
>>28254564
Mad chink satellite state citizen spotted.
So in what to-be state of China you live in ?
Pakistan ? Malaysia ?
>>28254541
I said we would have to be attacked first.
Their constitution allows defensive actions that fulfill their alliance obligations.
It only applies to an ally (only the US is an ally) being attacked first. If we start the shit they don't have to react.
Like NATO article 5.
>>28254506
Hey I'm just saying that the current puss-footing of ASEAN is what is causing this problem. We wouldn't have to be there if they actually built militaries.
>>28254596
>if you aren't a mouthbreather Republican idiot who thinks jingoism is a valid foreign policy then ur a retard lmao
>>28254615
So...Taiwan ?
>>28254615
>"Jingoism"
>oh it's not really that bad that we lost our empire, it was all just jingoism anyway
Stay mad britcuck
Can't stump the Trump
>>28254536
>400,000
That's Wikipedia...
Here's another source. Seems like even 100,000 is too much.
>>28254564
Where am I wrong?
ASEAN is pussy-footing on the SCS dispute. They make diplomatic notes and say they are very concerned, but they aren't pushing back with real strength against the Chinese. Ask any Southeast Asian and they will tell you their governments are pro-Chinese because of commercial trade.
>>28254596
Why do people automatically assume Chinks browse /k/. On /int/ we have ONE (1) Chinese mainlander out of them all. And there are maybe five or six overseas Chinese.
>>28254244
>>28254550
>ITT: I have no idea how SEA politics works
FUN FACT: You know what broke the SEATO to begin with
1) Only Thailand and the Philippines was on it. Burma wanted their own thing, Indonesia and Malaysia too. Laos and Cambodia are pussies. S. Vietnam is afraid of a similar Asian Pact formed by China/NK/ and N. Vietnam and so stayed out of it even if it was a US ally. Singapore wants everybody to fuck off and just do business.
2) Red and US involvement pissing everyone off.
What replaced it was ASEAN, which is an economic cooperation sphere. Which includes the Reds and the weirdo, Burma. One of the main stipulations of it is to keep either China or the US off of its dealing so everything remains neutral.
This is why the ASEAN *rarely* takes sides on the issue of said Islands. Not only are ASEAN countries competitors in the issue but they are also wary of other powers turning it into a battleground. Which is why everytime the Philippines or Vietnam calls for support on their positions, the ASEAN just shrugs because it would
1) Tip the dispute to either country
2) Bring the USA in and threaten the neutrality of the association.
>>28254634
Devil's advocate here.
That's close to 100k in the Pacific. Look at all the other cases that aren't directly related to active battle.
>>28254526
>One requires us to be attacked first and the other is useless.
I'm pretty sure they're both useless desu. on a scale of 1 to 10 how good is the japanese military even? we're talking about a force that has pretty much never seen combat anywhere
>>28254632
>>28254625
again
>anyone who isn't a quasi-fascist moron must be one of dem forainers USA USA
this country is doomed
>>28254330
Not that "laws" ever stop the chinese :^)
>>28254650
No point in dodging the question,
You're from Australia aren't you
>>28254650
Wow you really are surprised when your contribution to the thread begins with name calling and you get name called back
I'm voting for Trump just to see the looks on you liberal cunts faces when he starts up the Mexicamps
>>28254636
I'm not talking about ASEAN. I'm saying we need to force the Flips, Malaysians, and Viets to be more aggressive against China.
Just the SCS claimants.
>>28254666
oh please I beg you, vote for Trump
>>28254668
Malaysians are playing China and the US off to remain neutral.
Why would Malaysia side with the US? It pissed it off when it supported Israel. Hence why Muslims SEAsians aren't in the SEATO back in the 50's-60's.
>>28254656
>raht is interrectuar property
>you Americans crazy men
>>28254649
They are quite useful against China. Their navy and air force is useful and they are our base of operations against China/Russia.
Their army is a failure though. Not going to lie. Overall they are a key ally but they are not going to be winning the battles for us.
>Tfw china had the only missile we couldn't intercept via ship armament back when I was in still
That fact probably hasn't changed. Chinese navy is scary as fuck.
>>28254635
I like how he has not responded to your level headed post.
>>28254682
It's my opinion that be stronger against the Chinese would lead them to be more aggressive against the Chinese.
>>28253527
Those noobs need to add break waters and mangroves or palm trees to stabilize the sand
>>28254634
http://cgsc.cdmhost.com/utils/getdownloaditem/collection/p4013coll8/id/126/filename/115.pdf/mapsto/pdf/type/compoundobject/cpdtype/document/show/126
"Army battle casualties and nonbattle deaths in World War II"
Here is the full document, in case some one wants it. 5.7mb pdf.
>>28253566
Get a load of this nigger
>>28254694
>Opinion
Like I said
>ITT: I know nothing of SEA politics.
Most of SEA is about one thing: making money to stop being poor.
Hence nobody would join either side of the Spratly's shitshow that can potentially start something off in the region that will fuck everyone up. Besides, it means cooperating with the OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE UP AGAINST.
>>28254700
>lets block our field of vision with stuff that won't grow to keep the sand a little longer
Bro they built these islands in a year. They can add to it.
>>28254712
Yeah he's the typical /k/ poster. Like our version of a 50 center. Just ignore.
>>28254719
I get this but Obama's current strategy is not slowing the Chinese one bit.
>>28253332
we need a leader prez who will get us rid of ISIS.
rip 'em all to shreds fucking towelheads.
>>28254746
US policies on Southeast Asia have been a failure since the 70's. Obama's just the newest president to do so
SEA countries are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They can either choose to side with the far away super power or the nearby middle power. While being too inept to determine their own policies on any significant matter
>>28253308
All China has achieved is making sure that all its neighbors build up their forces in the region.
>>28254719
>Everyone is an Asshole
see >>28254259 The legitimate claims.
>>28254259
THIS PIECE OF MALAYSIA IS CHINAS CLAY
>>28253986
Spotted the bernie shill
Hilory gets voted in, US Navy now asks for permission to enter SCS
CALLING IT NAO
>>28254942
>All China has achieved is making sure that all its neighbors build up their forces in the region.
Against each other as well as against China. And most of them are still shit.
The Philippines, for example, was so stoked at receiving 12 ROK Trainer/Fighter Jets. The whole country celebrating for 12. Jets.
>>28255176
oh god no, europoor here and the only one i hope to win is Make America Great Again.
