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So guise I'm thinking about snagging a battle rifle as my next fun purchase. What do you know about the m1a, pro cons. I know some of you are fanatics for fals and ptrs, what about them?
>>28240208
>M1A
kind of expensive to buy, ~$1300, mags are kind of expensive, brownells has them for $30 i think, you might call it a dated design if youre a faggot, i guess the bedding wears out too quick for some people, some say not to fully disassemble them as not to disrupt the bedding. all in all a good rifle
>FAL
also expensive, can get a DSA FAL for about $1000 but ive heard mixed reviews, has a cast receiver which gets shit on a lot. getting a "real" FAL, like a L1A1 or an imbel or whatever is going to run you about $1500. for a surplus gun. not saying they arent worth it, they are, but thats a lot of cheddar.
>PTR
the cheapest. ~$800. pretty heavy, about 10.5 lbs loaded, some find it unwieldy, no bolt lock back, roller delayed blowback is dirty as fuck. they are reliable and accurate though, and sexy as hell. not friendly to left handed people. mags are cheap as fuck.
>>28240208
M1As are nice, shot that same model this morning. Really heavy, muzzle brake is sorta loud but could be worse. Lots of style/ nostalgia points. Great for ban states (CA). Super soft shooting for a 308 Great sights. If I was getting a 308 semi auto itd have to be a DPMS g2. really light, supposed to have good accuracy too not as much character as the others th>>28240394
ough
>>28240208
I love FALs purely for their Aesthetic value
>>28240394
>$1500 for a decent FAL
Yeah no, you can find a solid build on FALfiles for around $1000-$1100 fairly frequently. I got this STG-58 build (matching Steyr barrel and lower receiver, unnumbered Steyr bolt and carrier, surplus Steyr parts and an IMBEL receiver) with a Williams railed dust cover (regarded as one of the best, expensive and long out of production) and two Belgian mags for $1200.
IMBEL builds frequently go for around a grand and those are very nice and solid rifles as well.
The idea of FALs being super expensive is just plain wrong (unless ~$1100 is expensive for you, which if it is you shouldn't be looking into a semi auto .308). They're expensive if you're only looking at DSA, which you shouldn't because DSAs are really expensive for what they are. The used market is very saturated with nice FAL builds. If you're wanting an FAL go join FALfiles and keep an eye on the marketplace.
>>28240208
Go big or go home.
Semi-hourly reminder that only manlets don't like the PTR.
>>28240208
love muh PTR, but I love the M1A and my viet nam vet dad gets a visible erection whenever he sees an M14. Never shot a FAL, but they look cool and I wouldn't turn down a free one. People say the PTR has bad recoil, but I think that's bullshit. shoots very nice, and it's probably the best bang for your buck when you count mags. but if you've got $3,000 sitting around I'd make sweet sweet love to a SCAR.
>>28240797
handled a PTR once, felt straight Teutonic.
>>28240819
>People say the PTR has bad recoil, but I think that's bullshit.
Yeah it's more of a gradual shove than a sharp kick; not sure what the big deal is.
>>28240797
6'4"
Really don't like the ptr.
Love my 17s, shits great.
>>28240689
this is pure sex
i wouldnt give any money to dsa after what ive read at the files. theres a group buy for imbel receivers going on i heard
>>28240797
>Daily reminder that PTR a shit.
>>28240960
DSA is a supplier of last resort these days. Shit customer service, shit barrels, no more billet.
That said I want a picatinny lower with a jard trigger.
for shits and giggles, here is a 300wsm Fal where the mags were fucked with for the round and only hold 8 rounds but still
>>28241062
Saw the same thing done to an m14. Didnt make to many for obvious reasons.
![IMG_20151217_223016_679[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iNBvpZa.jpg "IMG_20151217_223016_679[1].jpg")
>>28241034
really debated buying the metric folding handle but left it be
half tempted to buy some rhodie camo paint so i dont sell it
>>28241106
here is one in 8mm also
>>28240973
Mine never dented cases that bad.
>you will never have a 7mm-08 HK51
feels-badman.mp10
>>28241153
Building one in .358 Winchester. BoT is gonna make a barrel off a shilen blank, waiting on a gas block and pin to get here before I send everything off to him.
>>28241174
>You'll never have an HK51 chambered in the Lord's chosen cartridge the 6.5-08 A-Square
>>28241216
.260 Remington?
Hope you don't like 140g pills
>>28240394
I literally see Imbel FAL builds going for $900-$1300 on a regular basis same for L1A1s, G1s and many others.
I woudn't pay more than that for one unless it was some kind of special snowflake, preban or came with a lot of extra shit. Maybe an all matching STG58, depending on the condition of the parts and quality of the finish.
>>28240734
>tfw can't decide between Chink AK, PTR or an STG58 to go with other 2 FALs
>>28240734
Do do they sell kits for fals for dyi like the ar series of rifles?
>>28241319
Yes and no. It's more akin to building an AK kit than it is to assembling an AR.
PTR is nice and affordable. FAL is probably most durable. M14 clones are the best shooters and have the most aftermarket support.
Dunno about PTR/FAL but everything for the M14 is expensive. A used M1A starts at $1K and if it's been made since 2000 most of the parts are questionable. A used one from the '90s is your best bet, or there are higher-end M14s like LRBs anf Fultons that're $2K ish.
I own an old M1A. Good gun. Better at the range than its contemporaries, worse in the field. It's a very old (1930) design so it has more in common with prewar rifles than a FAL or G3 would. People say they're heavy but they're lighter than a lot of .308 rifles, including the FAL.
>>28241294
Can't go wrong with a Chink AK
Mine and my STG build have never met face to face though :(
>>28241319
You can buy parts kits but they aren't AR babby LEGO-tier. You'll need some tools and knowledge to build one. Here's Flandre's step by step guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNckPmFKNRo
Does anyone have any idea what the quality of CAI Imbel L1A1 FAL's are?
I have a chance to get one but I've never heard anything good about century
>>28241390
>Using grease instead of lube
Kudos to you nigga, it's always nice seeing people taking care of their M14 clones the proper way.
>>28241395
My duck is diamonds, I love tinkering with shit.
>>28241408
That economy-size bottle of bad dragon cum lube really comes in hand to grease the oprod channel.
>>28241395
Thing is I already got an SGL20.
Trying to justify buying a MAK90 converted to a spiker over just getting a PTR since I don't have a G3 type rifle yet
>>28240394
>no mention of AR-10
What are you, some kind of faggot?
![DSCN6526[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2IMl2eh.jpg "DSCN6526[1].jpg")
The M14 design just screams "RIFLE." It was pretty much the last military rifle build around the idea of sticking huge blocks of machined steel into huge blocks of carved wood. All the things that make it outdated also make it fun to shoot. That giant external oprod and bolt cycling back and forth every time you pull the trigger. That flash suppressor that's 4" long. Those great Garand sights.
Also, it does in fact have the shoulder thing that goes up.
>>28241408
Different guy, but I use grease if the manual says to use grease, and the one that came with my M1A said use grease on parts X, Y, and Z, oil is fine for everything else. So that's what I do.
>>28241424
Lubiplate 130-A works well too and it looks like cum lube
>>28240734
Eh I've noticed that the pr ducks up Dat casing so idk about that, the action is cool tho.
>>28241404
Varies a lot, just like CETMEs and pre 08 WASRs.
I got one from someone on FALfiles, but only because he's been there for years and is a reputable seller there. It's a superb rifle. That said, I wouldn't buy one from anyone that doesn't have decent knowledge of the thing and who doesn't have much feedback, unless you know what to look for yourself.
There's just too many that were butchered for me to trust. And most of the ones I've seen have looked pretty beat up and full of a mix of inch and metric parts.
>>28241408
Not him, but I hear all the time about how I should use grease on my FAL. What should I use for my rifle? Don't know shit about using greases as lubricants.
>>28241534
You can be cheap and use high temp red grease or use gun-specific greases.
>>28241437
AR-10s are typically used in more of a DMR role whereas FALs, G3/clones were standard issue.
Obviously you could use an AR-10 for this role. It's just less common as it's the same thing as an AR-15 except heavier.
>>28241153
Curious how impossible it is to find those magazines
>>28240887
people being pussies? I mean shit, look at this fucking kid
>>28241153
I want a G3 in 8mm so fucking bad
>>28241624
>>28241624
>people being pussies? I mean shit, look at this fucking kid
That dude is going to have a hell of a time trying to bulk up. His body screams Ectomorph (lanky sonovabitch), and it is always difficult for that body type to get gains.
I've owned both a fal and a ptr
Ptrs are heavy cheap durable accurate rifles with one helluva kick. Ergos are shit and reloading is nightmarish at best
Fals will work all day everyday and have Ergos like it was made for your personal use. Mags are expensive, aftermarket is better than the ptr.
Fals are amazing guns but you most likely wanna hear the cons
Biggest one - the trigger. There is no aftermarket trigger, there is no trigger job. Stock triggers are horrid. My rhode fal has a 15lb sloppy ass trigger that breaks whenever it damn well pleases.
Honestly if unlimited funds ar10 or scar
If you have alot of dosh and want a history piece go m1a
If you want a gun that doubles as a acceptable dmr - ptr
But if you want a rifle with history, Ergos, aftermarket, durability to rival the kalishnikov (with about rhe same accuracy cause of the trigger) and have some money left in the bank... go for the right arm of the free world, go for the fal
>>28241713
You know body types are a myth, right? If you eat at a 3-500 calorie surplus you WILL gain mass, and along with weightlifting gaining weight is literally no problem
>>28240208
There is a lot to learn about the M1a , I love mine, but its not for everyone.
>>28240208
Look at some of the more modern rifles,
Daniel Defense just put out their first 7.62 rifle a month ago, and its looking like one of the lightest ones out there. Weighs at 8lbs
Colt 901 is also a good option, weighs about 8.5 lbs. Can swap out the upper with any AR style upper.
Both use common magazines and nothing special snowflake.
Yes they are costly, but so are most new quality 7.62 rifles.
>>28240208
I have a 90s manufacture M1A-A1 18" Scout I bought new in '99.
My favorite rifle.
>>28241257
I dont know how /k/ always seems to find guns for $200-$300 less than me. I'm on gunwatcher, I check armslist, gunbroker, yet /k/ommandos insist they find all these great deals.
>>28242622
Most of these deals are at LGS would be my guess. I've found some retardedly good deals before.
>>28242649
I'd assume so. Unfortunately, the gun stores around me only have fair prices and never anything too special. Prices you cant get upset about paying for, but never on anything you'd get excited about, and never any milsurp.
I'd buy a deactivated one if they weren't AS FUCKING EXPENSIVE AS A WORKING ON IN THE STATES HOLY SHIT.
>>28242740
>Bren magazines
>>28240931
6'5" love muh ptr. shoulda got that extra inch on yah son
>>28241713
>Ectomorph
he looks like he's fucking 16 give him some time
>>28240208
Hmmff
>>28242080
well strictly eating more calories doesnt make me gain any weight and it took me damn near a year to gain 15 pounds working out granted i was just doing pull ups/push ups and sit ups
Just picked this up before thanksgiving, how did I do? Its just a standard M1A with a synthetic stock in kryptec highlander. I would have preferred a walnut stock but it was kind of an impulse off gunbroker for about $1150, $1200 including shipping. I also picked up 6 20 round mags for about $12 bucks apiece since they are cheapo Taiwanese mags. Sorry for shit pic
Can we all agree that FALs and Garands are the coolest battle rifle combo? Or at least the most aesthetic?
I got one of these at a gun show last weekend, it's killing me waiting for tomorrow to shoot it. But what kind of lube does it need? I sprayed it down with my hoppes I use for my 1911 but the extractor still seemed to have some friction. Do I need something thicker?
>>28241785
>No aftermarket trigger
Wrong.
oh so wrong.
http://www.jardinc.com/fal-metric/
>>28242622
FAL deals? lurk FALfiles
>>28243055
Ugh, no thanks.
Worst idea ever.
Im just able to find clothes as it is.
>>28243277
After a few hundred rounds it probably will smoothen up. Use any gun oil/grease. Hoppes is fine, you are doing good
>>28242649
my LGS had 2 galils for $900 and $1200, and a bunch of fals for $1800+. They also tried selling sig 2022s for over $600.. i'm pretty sure these guys are just winging it
>>28243255
snakeskin?
>>28243305
lol i feel yah on that one. i just have to buy what ever shoes are 13 extra wide no matter how fuckin ugly they are.
>>28243277
It should wear in. Neat gun too, I don't think I've ever held one before
>>28243335
I wear 14 in shoes, can find almost anything, almost. Any bigger and its a beggars market.
2XL gloves are generally just a hair to small on me, have to wear them in.
>>28243313
Thanks anon. Any recommendations for a scope? I was thinking about one of those 1.5x4x20mm Leupold scopes. My buddy Haas one on his AR and my dad only buys leupold so I'm partial to the brand. However, anything with a solid build, medium magnification, and can be brought up to your eye quickly I would be interested in.
>>28243277
>But what kind of lube does it need?
grease on the receiver/bolt carrier rails, and bolt carrier pin. also if you look on the rear top rail support, there are 3 bosses on the inside which can contact the bolt carrier, give these bosses, and the corresponding area on the bolt carrier grease as well.
>>28243277
>but the extractor still seemed to have some friction
also this is normal. put a cartridge or snap cap between the extractors, which is bend apart the spring which holds them together, and they should move upwards by themselves.
>>28243369
Spend a little more for the firedot version
Beep beep motherfuckers, kebab battle rifle coming through.
Daily reminder that real battle rifles are in 8mm
Blumpkin.
>>28241489
Oil that stock
>>28241390
+1, I have a 80s production Fed. Ord. M14A with the GI fiberglass stock and it's a very good all-rounder. Very light, muzzle brake significantly reduces recoil and it doesn't sound any louder then my AR.
That said I'm glad I bought it at an LGS that does warranty service on used guns they sell. It had serious problems during a /k/ meet and had to be serviced by an M14 tech in Nevada. He said the build quality was shit-tier, but the receiver miraculously has the right hardness to last forever (usually Fed Ords are either too soft or waaaaaay too hard). Things just weren't bolted on very well so he trued the barrel, realigned the sights and cleaned up some other minor fuckups. Should be good to go now.
M14SA/M1A Cons:
Literally everything
Pros:
???
>>28244338
pro : its in a good caliber
>>28244346
Right, .308 is a great caliber but as far as .308 battle rifles go the M14 is a gigantic piece of shit relative to the HK91, FAL, SCAR 17, SR-25, etc.
>>28243255
Looks like money is no object to you so it'll make a nice beater .308 compared to your other guns.
Also am I high or is there a visible crack in the mag well of that AI?
>>28244338
>Pros:
can be used by faggots in ban states like myself
>>28244338
>Pros:
You can get one for like 500 syrupdollars.
It's fun to shoot.
It's sexy.
So if I were to get an fal kit, what should I buy, and what should be avoided?
>>28243984
>AG 42.
Yes.
>>28244338
>>28244358
If you have no experienec with them, why do you spread your bulshit opinions?
Good on you /k/ for still making threads like this.
Does anyone here have experience with both M1A and FAL and have some comparisons or likes/dislikes between them?
I'm looking at ordering one or the other soon. Everybody should have at least one NATO rifle.
>people putting way too much grease on their shit
Please stop. It should not be clumped up on components you fucking nerds, you're going to gunk all your shit up like that.
>>28244522
Back in the day when I was getting babbies first battle rifle. I shouldered each rifle with my eyes closed, held it how it felt most natural, and then opened my eyes. I was looking right the the sights on the FAL, and rather off on the M14.
Both rifles are in their twilight years. If you like one of them, or both, the time to get one is now.
>>28244522
If you asked my a month ago which one of those rifles to buy if accuracy was your main goal, I would have said FAL.
I have a chink M14 and with a little bit of work and reloads it does 1 to 1.5 groups all day.
However, Rex uses a FAL for his long range battle rifle, and if he uses it that means there is potential.
I have no experience with the FAL. Only the M14 and the M14 shoots aswell as it looks. I never babied it around, and take it hunting/campuing and it always hits on target. There is a ton of aftermarket support for it and you can turn it into a tackdriver or CQB styled weapon.
The FAL is cool too and I would love to own one aswell
:(
>>28244599
Aftermarket for both is drying up.
>>28240394
>PTR91 not friendly to left handed people
I'll disagree. Pretty easy to lock the bolt back, slam it forward, and remove magazines.
>>28244513
Thats a hakim u fuck nut
I kind of like the idea of getting something in .308 to replace my .243 durr/hog rifle (Mostly because I'm 6'5" and it's uncomfortably short)
What would be a good pick for a battle rifle that's very accurate and isn't made to be a safe queen?
Bonus points if an SG fits the bill, because I find most of the rifles to be beautiful but I have no experience with non-fudd rifles outside my AR-15
>>28242740
Holy fuck, that gun is pure sex.
I gotta go clean myself up
my m1a loaded with sadlak extras and the like
>>28244674
To be fair they're very, very similar and were produced on the same tooling.
>>28246219
My problem with EBR-style stocks is that the pistol grip looks like such an afterthought.
Like they designed the whole thing and then said "oh whoops, forgot the pistol grip! I'll just bolt one on.... right.... here."
>>28245991
You do realize if your current LoP is too short you can just get a buttpad or new stock and avoid purchasing a whole new rifle, right?
>>28245991
>>28240761
this.
seriously. I know the price tag sucks, but goddamnit it's worth it
had a PTR and sold and saved for a SCAR
>>28246219
Forgive me if I sound stupid but did you make a kydex handguard? If so that's cool as hell.
>>28246826
Need to get a better trigger on that thing.
Different selector switches couldnt hurt either.
>>28243313
>>28243339
I'm glad that /k/ likes this gun, not the guy who posted it but all I see about it is negative everywhere else.
>>28246857
If the only place you find fans of something is here, run away from that thing.
>>28246845
yea ik
Just ordered my glass this week, I was trying to see the magpul extendo selector in town here before i ordered it(recently escaped armyfag so lgs has all kinds of cool guy bs)
probably going to send it off to bill springfield for a trigger job, I don't think the trigger is really that bad, It's well under minute of person standing unsupported so that'll be the last thing I do if I decide I want a Giessel. Need to get another bulk .308 order and a single stage press first, more important
>>28246905
I thought my scar trigger was fine until I got the G. Sweet mother.
A press is a good thing too. Im blasting through ZQi like crazy, depriming and saving the brass for later reloading.
>>28246960
It's definitely not great, but I can put up with it
Yea gotta get set up for reloading. With the PTR I just shot silver bear and said fuck it cuz it just wrecks brass.
Waiting on Midwest Industries to send out my key mod rail also
>>28243334
for hiding in the snakes
>>28246742
Well I do have a job so I can buy nice things, and frankly I want something a bit more fun
>>28247216
Don't let the poorfags dictate your purchases
>>28243984
8mm is best
real rifle coming through
>>28248411
aww yeah. FN 49 is so damn sexy, I need pics of operators doing work with those
>>28244522
There's a thread like this going on a local shooting board I'm on. The FAL owners say their guns are front-heavy and they prefer the ergos of the M14. As a range gun at least.
>>28248916
Only one I could find
>>28248870
>gloss
>Ya see Larry, when ya weld two magazines together it's like makin' yer dick twice as long
>>28249055
you're a good person anon, have a rhodie standing in the rain
>>28249246
>you're a good person anon, have a finnish cosplayer standing in the rain
ftfy
So what is the best way to get my hands on a quality FAL rifle kit?
>>28249989
How about you read the fucking thead
Syrupfag here. Can't speak to the G3 or FAL because b&, but my Norinco M14 shorty is the most fun I've ever had with a rifle. Out of the box it shot under 1-MOA which surprised the hell out of me (I may have just gotten lucky with QC, but yeah, I love it), and I recently discovered that you can use Archangel AA700 20-round magazines in them (last round hold-open won't work with them, but it'll cycle all day long without issue; eat a dick, E-Lander). I am slowly building it into a Canada-legal "combat rifle", and next step will be an Archangel stock and some 4x glass of some sort.
>>28249989
http://www.apexgunparts.com/fal-l1a1/fn-fal-metric-pattern/metric-fal-parts-kit-with-us-922-r-components-and-choice-of-handguard.html
>>28250178
nice, if we could still get chink M14 cheap down here that's probably what I would've gone with. although now that I have it, I do love my PTR.
>>28250295
>summer_nuggetfest_boipussy.jpg
>>28243076
That just means you weren't eating enough. Jesus it isn't hard. As a former skinny fuck, just eat more, preferably good food.
>>28240208
Does a x54r VEPR count as a battle rifle?
>>28250164 see you're an asshole
>>28250192 this guy is a bro
>>28250680
Yus it does
>>28250192
So other than the obvious differences between metric and standard. Any qc issues or stuff to avoid.
>>28250927
avoid dsa
century is shit
lurk falfiles
>>28242080
bullshit im 23
I eat 500 cals a day and weigh 105lbs
>>28246726
all I need now is the extended finger mod.
>>28251848
You need to eat a lot more than that.
>>28250844
>>28250164
That's actually a shitty kit. It's a kit but it'll get you laughed at if you build it and post your bottom of the barrel bargain bin fal on k. So in earnest. Do your due diligence, get learnt, and lurk/learn more faggot. No one will ever take you serious in life if they have to spoonfeed you. Be it co workers, workout partners or fellow gun enthusiasts.
>>28240973
Mine leaves a quarter that size on the ones it does dent. And that only happens on ejection. No idea what the fuck happened there.
>>28241785
Ptr kicks no more than a fal. And less than an m1a because it's a good degree lighter. But honestly if your complaining about recoil on a semi auto 308 your kind of a pussy.
>>28241449
Does the shoulder thing help? Or was it just wishful thinking?
>>28241390
Idk who sold it to you but when they said 1930 they were full of shit
>>28252500
Unless it's a grand carved out to accept box magazines.
>>28252500
>>28252505
>Reading comprehension
Everything in the M14's design was there by 1930. If Ordnance had let Garand use BAR mags like he wanted to and told him to use the gas system from White's trials rifle you'd have had an M14 in the early '30s.
>>28253000
No it wasnt, the concept sure but there where no plans to make a box fed fully automatic combat rifle until 1945 and when the war was over r and d on the m1 system ground to a halt, only until the fal was under development in the 50s and a need to replace the m1 arose was there any need to play catch up and then the m14 was born.
>>28240797
all wet n' lewd
guys, why does my FAL like vomiting the extractor? I was at the range the other week, and after 59 rounds in, the extractor ejects past the firing line. Thankfully the range master was a bro and found the parts for me, and I reassembled it at home after I spent 20 minutes shooting it to the ceiling because I'm an idiot that doesn't have the FAL tool kit.
>>28246726
I agree. I've seen others where it looks like they really improved on it though and it's a different grip
>>28246827
No I didn't make it, they come with one. It is kydex though.
>ywn own a garand
>>28253804
Hit up local auctions or join the CMP, EZ garand EZ life
>>28253836
Until you load up fullpower ammo and bust your oprod
>>28254423
Hang yourself Fascist.
http://www.garandgear.com/ported-gas-plug.html
I used to think of the M-14 rifle as a all around good rifle with the Nam vet relative that held it up as the greatest rifle in the war. It's just "good enough" accurate, old design with no advantage over it's battle rifle brothers in arms with multiple torture test videos of it jamming in the mud. (not just the forgotten weapons one)
You could say the Fal isn't that much better and I agree but it's still better.
I would never buy one for myself.
Out here shooting the rfb today. So far has shot well through about 25 rounds of hornady 150gr sst. We're breaking into the 7.62 south African surplus I picked up last night. Got some cantelopes to shoot at and the first one we shot exploded, which was awesome.
>>28254676
Nice!
>>28241062
I didn't realize this was a gun abortion thread
BTW get a modern battle rifle
pic related
>>28240797
Nigger please, I'm 5'7" and the PTR was fun as fuck to shoot at the sporting fair 2 years ago
>>28254676 here
Anyone know how to turn a slow motion video on my friends iPhone into a webm? I feel /k/ would enjoy watching cantelope exploded.
>>28240797
Am manlet, and that's my rifle.
>>28246905
Dude I'd pass on Bill Springfield. Some quick googling will point you towards some shit that would never let me trust any of my property in the dudes hands again.
When you have an option like Geissele available for the SCAR, why even risk it with some guy in his basement?
>>28240761
I'd rather have two M1As, hence my standard and my scout squad.
What's more reliable; M1 Garand or M1A?
>>28244319
Post your M1a, you broke ass teenager.
>>28240797
>2015
>Not having a jaw of forged steel.
>>28244358
Please upload your DD214 or CAC card, you can edit over your photo and name, I just want to make sure you're not lying anon.
You're clearly a security forces marksman or some kind of ISAF security consultant if you have so much knowledge about military battle rifle application in the 21st century. Please.
>>28254881
Well, we know he's in the Navy, because he's hurtin' your butt hard.
>>28253804
You used the YFW/TFW thing wrong.
And this isn't a teenager meme board, leave your pepes with the /b/tards and /v/irgins, please, /k/adet.
>>28254440
Grandpa, the Kaiser is dead, so is Roosevelt.
You got medicare and social security.
Your obsolete.
Go to the early bird special
>>28254881
>m14, FAL, HK91
>21st century
What third world shit hole are you from?
I was considering p308 over SCAR
Picture related. Anyone can please let me know which one is better. Im going to the store tomorrow...
>>28255067
POF?
I'd definately lean towards SCAR.
Especially since the prices should be about the same, and if you buy a SCAR it comes with a voucher for a free trigger?
I currently have a DSA early Austrian kit build, PSA AR-10 and a PTR-91. Each rifle has its own positives and negatives.
Here is my 2 cents:
FAL- I have the 21" barrel, with folding bipod and failed cover. It is heavy, heaviest out of the lot. It throws the bras about 10' straight right. It is easy to clean. Adjustable gas system. BHO. Easy controls and decent accuracy. I am getting 3" groups at 100 yards. For a battle rifle that is on par. Light recoil.
PTR- Favorite rifle out of the three. It does make a small dent on the casing but that is not why the brass is hard to reload. First off, if you can find your brass (10-20 yards at 1 o'clock) it has raised lines running lengthwise down the case from the fluted chamber. I have to use motor oil when sizing this brass and still get stuck cases. It does not lock back on an empty mag. Controls are big and easy to use with gloves. The mags are super cheap ($3-5). I know it has flaws but God damn it feels good in the hands and really fun to shoot.
>>28255067
SCAR
>>28242750
yes, and they work quite well.
>>28255371
AR-10 - This rifle has only been out once. It is a PSA kit rifle. 18" melonite barrel with Midwest Industries keymod rail on a blem lower. I have only had the chance to put 150 rounds through it and was impressed with accuracy 1.5-2" groups at 100 yards. The trigger pin kept walking out. It did not like brass that had been. Through the PTR. I had to mortar a few out. It is what you would expect from an AR platform in .308. I plan on getting a set of KNS anti-walk pins and seeing how the rifle works after being properly broken in. That being said it doesn't feel as robust as the PTR or the FAL. Those rifles feel like I could drag them through hell. This one is more of a bench queen. I imagine it would be fine in adverse conditions but I bought it to be a medium to long range rifle.
>>28255464
You bought PSA and expected accuracy?
>>28255479
It is this kit: http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-pa10-18-mid-melonite-ssk12-rifle-kit.html
Out of stock now.
Please share why you think PSA rifles are inaccurate. I imaging with the right reloads I could get 1" groups.
>>28255579
Trigger pin is walking out. Better trigger would probably help, unless your that damn good.
Barrel will probably top out at 1-1.5 moa. Which is probably good enough. A better barrel with trigger could get you to submoa territory.
The rest of it is probably fine.
>>28255599
I will probably end up swapping the trigger but for now the stick trigger is pretty decent. Is it common for pins to walk on .308 AR builds? It felt a little loose so I took it apart and swapped the trigger with the hammer pin and now it feels right.
I think I could get moa or sub with hand load experimentation.
>>28255687
What ammo were you running before?
I've not had trigger pins walk on mine, but kns pins should make it more consistent
>>28255719
Hand loads. I do a standard 45gr win 748 with a 147 grain fmj mil bullet. CCI primers on mostly LC brass. That's my basic mass production load. Works well in my FAL and PTR.
>>28255828
Better bullets may do better. Depends what the barrel likes.
OP ask about thoughts on M1A
gets fucked by all the fal ptr ar10 fags.
>>28255858
I just use them for cost per round. Cheap bulk loading 308 @$4 a box. I have some decent hornady bullets that I will try out. I wanted to break it in then start load development. I think I will use 180gr bullets for my accuracy loads.
Posting my saudi kit yet again.
Ordered the parts for it. Any tips on bending the receiver?
Do you think the HAC-7 would do well on today's market?
How much do you think a company could put one out for?
>>28255902
175s are generally where its at for 308
>>28254823
What state is that in? Looks really, really familiar.
>>28256003
>Any tips on bending the receiver?
Don't fuck up.
>>28256005
>Do you think the HAC-7 would do well on today's market?
Not as it is. Would need rails, adjustable stock, and SR25 mags, and a sub-$2500 price tag.
>>28256074
What state do you want it to be in?
>>28256158
Probably my state? I've not been to many ranges, not sure if that bench setup is a standardized design
>>28256167
>Probably my state?
And that is?
>>28256158
Probably my state? I've not been to many ranges, not sure if that bench setup is a standardized design
>>28256195
Phone error, sorry for double post
If you have the money, I highly recommend the SCAR.
For a semi-auto .308, it's crazy light, maneuverable, and comfy to shoot.
>>28256228
I do
I did
I would (will) do again
>>28257163
I just hope I can resist the temptation to buy a 16S now.
>>28257171
I plan on giving in
>>28259377
Getting more spacegun; I love it. You need the Handl lower for some SR25 banana clip goodness next.
>>28259522
Prefer SCAR mags to magpul.
>>28240208
PTR for that Heckleling Koch Slap
>>28259829
>PTR for that Heckleling Koch Slap
Unf
Just for fun. French MAS 49/56
>>28255828
Nice choice anon
>rollin the same load with rem and win primers
Got 2679 fps ave in 20'' barrel at sealevel
>>28240208
Question:
How come rifles like the PSL or VEPR in 7.62x54R aren't considered battle rifles? Is there a definition for the term "battle rifle"?
>>28260635
They are battle rifles, but they serve the DMR better (PSL's).
>>28260635
Full power, semi auto, infantry rifle.
The big three are commonly referenced, SCAR is the baby. But a garand counts, its not just x51
>>28260635
PSL doesn't count because it's purpose-built as a DMR, not a general-issue infantry rifle. Like a G3 is a battle rifle, but the MSG90 isn't.
>captcha: 308
>>28260823
>semi auto
stop pulling shit out of your ass senpai
>>28261341
how many bolt actions that saw service would we consider?
mosins
enfields
mausers
swiss 7.5's
arisakas
1903/1917
>>28240208
I really love M1A/M-14 like rifles...but I wish some gun company did something fresh with them or perhaps updated the design to be more modernized so disassembly is not discouraged and maybe a dust cover to become more reliable.
I know stainless steel barrels exist, but I'd like to see a black nitrite inside and out M1A or fully stainless model to be more at home at sea or in the snow or perhaps different calibers. So far Ruger is the only company to make a 5.56 and 7.62x39 version of a M1A.
Is it possible to make an M1A with quick change barrels and dust cover?
>>28261692
You have to redesign the whole action to include a dust cover/ quick change barrel. Once you do that, it will no longer look like a M14. If you wanted more corrosion resistance than parkerization, you could probably have it refinished with nitride or cerakote.
>>28254836
yea I was on the fence about it. that and having to send off a part that makes my rifle inop for a few weeks
PTR is coming in soon. Plan on doing a PSG-1/MSG-90 conversion.
Should I get a MSG-90 barrel or a PSG-1 barrel and get it threaded?
>>28255891
The m1a fucking blows dude
>c-can I play too?
>Garands and FALs aren't the ONLY battle rifles he would ever own
What after market chassis should I get for my M1A? I need to get an actual rail system on the thing. Keep looking at the juggernaught Rogue for it.
Welp I bit the bullet, I got an M1a
>>28263334
Those look really cool but I haven't really seen much about em.
I love my cheap Norc M305, but if by some miracle G3s are legal, I would trade mine in just to have that bolt slap.
Back in the early 90's they literally went through the big book of guns and banned everything by name that looked scary or was used by a bad guy in the movies. The list was never updated so we can have Tavors, and Kel-Tec RFBs, but not the cool old stuff.
>>28263334
Check out m14.ca
They have tons of rail attachments and even their own stock called the blackfeather that's cheaper than the EBR.
>>28251848
>I eat 500 cals a day
Your body uses more than that just keeping your heat regulated.
Clearly some mistake has been made with your calculation because if you ate only 500 calories a day you would starve within a month or two.
>>28240394
>>28244655
This. PTR is great for lefties.
>>28261341
Fine I suppose I should have said semi/select fire
>>28263381
good, anon. make sure to buy some ALICE gear and a 1911 and Winchester 1897 or Ithaca 37 to start doing retro as fuck 3-gun competition.
>>28263381
Get grease and grease up the rails the bolt slides in.
Its like an m14, but not nearly as terrible
>>28264200
My body is ready
>>28265463
I shall, I just gotta get that grease.
>>28244587
That is a fine, fine collection.
>>28265794
>>28266903
Aren't you the tripfag with the glossy rhodie FAL?
And your trying to say something else is ugly?
>>28266903
>>28268669
this is true, on one hand everyone has a right to their opinion in terms of aesthetics, but then again HAHAHAHAHA he really fucked up his FAL by trying to hard to meme
>>28268717
>dat auto 5
diamond
>>28254881
>doesn't give the actual name of the M1897
What the FUCK.
>>28264200
>"Grandpa, show me your game room!"
>"Ok, little Billy, heh heh heh. Prmise not to touch anything!"
>Fucking taxidermized gook heads mounted all over the walls
>Pile of shit he snuck back into the states in the corner
>C4, claymores, Swedish K's, all over the place
>"I go back on a hunting trip every year, Billy. Maybe this year you'll be old enough to come with me!"
>>28254744
What makes the SCAR so great?
>>28243076
strictly eating more calories will literally make you gain weight.
its simple physics.
calories in minus calories used
if its a negative number you will lose weight.
if its positive you will gain weight.
conservation of energy people, its not fucking rocket surgery.
So a local funs store has a Saiga .308 for 599. Weighing this against getting a Century Arms C308 for 650.
Thoughts?
>>28269212
Light
Low recoil
Accurate
Large aftermarket
looking for bolt action rifle
<$500
>durable, reliable, accurate
>30-06
>prefer scope already mounted
what should i look for
>>28241437
Nope. He's not a faggot, he just listed battle rifles, not .308 target rifles for tacticool faggots.
>>28269356
You should post this in a more apropos thread
>>28269313
GET THE SAIGA
>>28269212
About 40 years of technological and tactical advancement.
>>28269356
savage axis
>>28269356
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531747705
>>28268717
that auto-5 is pure sex. and I'm intrigued by the rhodie paint job G3 clone
>>28241395
The way he talks pisses me off for some reason.
No offense to Flandre though. Some people cant help it.
>>28269990
Rhodesia got 5,000 Portuguese-surplus G3s during the embargo. They were issued to reserve and police units because they had way more new R1 FALs from South Africa.
