Alright, I'm curious if someone with some more knowledge on the subject than me can help educate us on what went on in Fallujah.
Everyone knows it had some of the firecest fighting of the Iraq War.
But everytime it comes up, I hear people go 'The Army fucked it up and the Marines had to fix it! and then at the same time I hear 'The Marines fucked it up and the ARMY had to fix it!'
Can we get an unbiased account of what really happened?
America was BTFO by sandniggers
>>28234515
TDLR....
>Problem city full of insurgents
>army pussy foot around
>marines pussy foot around.
>achive nothing but make the insurgents think they can win and take the city proper, declareing it their capital
>army/marines stop pussy footing around
>insurgents blown the fuck out so hard they never, ever recovered until the US left.
>>28234562
Exactly this. Just missed a few especially unlucky contractors getting strung up.
>>28234515
Shit was bananas
>>28234515
>There will never be modern combat like Fallujah involving NATO ever again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoEsN6mDLfs
>>28234682
What makes you say that?
>>28234562
I was there. Essentially this poster nailed it. But remember we went in twice. First we went in, chased out the bad guys and then left so the bad guys came back. Thesecond time we pulled the civilians out and out them in camps for a few weeks and fed them while we went into their city and butt fucked the bad guys.
There were reports of us shooting civilians trying to swim across the river to escape. This is a lie. Insurgents were trying to lead a water born counter offensive, we got Pos ID on weapons floating across...we shot the inflatable rafts. Some insurgents tried firing from their floats when we told them to surrender with a spot light and loud speaker.
We also straffed the fuck out of an unoccupied island in the river as a show of force. The US media reported that this was our opening salvo on the city (to remind you it was an island we hit and we had extracted civilians from the city so wtf?)
This is all off the top of my head. I was a Specialist at the time and it was what? 11-13 years ago?
>>28234685
That dog 5 minutes in got shot :c
>>28234747
>it literally tried to bite the bullet
>>28234747
>shot
*fragged
RIP dog, you had the misfortune of living among a lesser kind of animal, the Arab
70 US Military Personnel KIA
12 US Military Contractors KIA
8 Iraqi Army KIA
500+ US military injured
1200 Insurgents killed
We hurt them but we also paid for it in blood.
>>28234713
>They were totally the bad guys and not normal Iraqis trying to defend their country from invaders
>Me and my mates didn't risk our lives for meaningless war
>>28234993
Your philosophical bullshit doesn't really matter. If you're in a war zone and someone is trying to kill you, they're the enemy.
I still don't understand why the USA didnt launch a ton of tomahawks at Fallujah. The whole thing would've ended without any Bullshit
>>28235187
Because wasting expensive hardware just to have cnn report civilian deaths totally doesn't cause bullshit
>>28235187
Because artillery can deliver far more destruction than few cruise missiles can. Also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_munitions#Use_in_Iraq_.282004.29
>>28235050
Well then wait till the goverment declares all gunowners for criminals amd go hunt you down, then you will undrstand how it feels when an enemy force attacks and kills you for literally nothing. Oh and you are then a terrorist/traitor by that time
There were two attempts to take the city. The first failed because the terrorists were much better armed than we thought. I think the marines attempted the first assault.
The second assault was more methodical and there was a lot more aerial bombing and close air support brought in. The army did the second assault.
The terrorists had rigged every street with explosives, ied's, booby trapped houses, so all these were bombed from the air for a while before the city was taken.
>>28234993
>what my poli-sci and women's studies professors told me to think: the post
>>28234558
And then you woke up
>>28235252
Freshman year was really eye opening for me too desu.
Politicians were giant fags and made US forces pull out, then the city went to shit and became a haven for insurgents, US went back in and kicked some ass and stayed put.
Recommended reading: Fallujah by Bing West
>>28235050
Enemy would be a perfectly fine term to use, but calling someone "the bad guys" given the context is such a stereotypical cringe-tier delusional term some just seem to always default to
>>28235187
Because tomahawks are about a million dollars a peice.
>>28234576
Fucking brutal, I heard. Any good reading or documentary on the subject? Also:
>>28234713
>TYFYS
>>28234562
>army pussy foot around
and there goes your credibility
literally each time, things were going perfectly when the Army was in control of the city and it wasn't until the muhreens were given control that shit started going down.
you might as well be saying the marines beat the army to baghdad
>>28235446
one more book im forgetting in my basement. I think its called "We were one" by O'donnel. probably my favourite.
>>28234993
It's dangerous to post alone. Here, take this.
>>28234993
Fuck off, Ahmed.
>>28235260
>The second assault was more methodical and there was a lot more aerial bombing and close air support brought in. The army did the second assault.
No.
Read a fucking book you faggot. Look up Phantom Fury.
>>28235332
>Fallujah By Bing West
it's titled "No True Glory"
Jesus fucking Christ. I remember why I stopped coming to /k/. More uninformed retards and tripfags than any where.
>>28235571
>literally each time, things were going perfectly when the Army was in control of the city
Except for, you know, letting hundreds of armed fighters and munitions into the city unfettered, allowing the city to become a hotspot for incendiary rhetoric, and basically causing hundreds of lives later on in the assault.
Armyfags can't ever accept that they fucked up fallujah and the Marines had to unfuck it.
>>28234993
>>28235252
did you get lost on the way to /r/politics?
>>28235734
>Armyfags can't ever accept that they fucked up fallujah and the Marines had to unfuck it.
it's amazing how perfectly backwards this statement is
guess who got the fighters all heated and ready to throw fists? not the army :^)
>>28235252
How's first year going freshman? Or are you a 40 year old who never learned to actually think for himself in some trailer somewhere stealing internet from your neighbor?
>>28234713
this guy knows how COIN works.
>>28234558
/thread
>>28235633
And these are about the contractors, right? Makes me curious about them.
>>28235759
>"I-if we just be n-nice to them, they won't hate us guise."
You sound like a liberal pussy who thinks that you can pacify an insurgent or terrorist.
Guess what, you're going to have to fight them anyways. The army just pushed the buck to the Marines. And the men handled it.
Most people know that the Marines handled it, watch at 2:30:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZN2UeTjIcU
>>28234558
Repeatedly.
>>28235714
No one is forcing you to be here you stupid shit
>>28235714
Sorry lad I couldn't exactly remember the title, I read it a few years ago and have read shit tons of books since then.
>>28235260
The first attempt (after the drivers were killed) was called off, because of some weak political deal with the Sunnis. It only lasted a few months before they started murdering people again, and we dropped the hammer on them.
And that pretty much took care of that particular bunch of bad guys.
>>28235835
Phantom Fury was pretty much kicked off because of the contractors being lynched.
Anybody remember that one tanker's blog? I think his name was Neil Prakhash or something like that. It was a hoot--he should have written a book.
I wonder sometimes if he's gotten out, or if he's made colonel by now.
>>28234820
That's a really shitty ratio considering the force disparity.
Anybody old enough to remember Combat Missions on USA, like in '99 or something?
One of the contestants was one of the truck drivers who were strung up on the bridge.
>>28235759
>>28235849
I dont know either way, but most people I talk to say that Fallujah is the one time the Marines retreated, so whatever thats worth
>>28235922
loved that guys blog. if I remember correctly he talked about using flachette tank rounds to wipe out 10-20 guys at a time after driving down an alleyway.
>>28235942
http://avengerredsix.blogspot.ca/2005/08/canister-shot.html
>>28235849
>You sound like a liberal pussy who thinks that you can pacify an insurgent or terrorist.
yeah, especially when marines actively undermine an already successful truce.
>army engaged with al-sadr heavily all throughout iraq
>handled it within 2 months with light casualties
>set up a truce with al-sadr that works fine right until the marines take control from the army
>herp derp drive a motherfucking armed patrol convoy up to al-sadrs doorway just for the sake of doing so because the army units wouldn't as part of the truce
>fallujah 2.0, marines quickly get overwhelmed once again and call army backup
>LEL ARMYFAGS FUCKED UP AND MUHREENS HAD TO SAVE THE DAY AGAIN
please keep going
>>28235187
I really hope you actually know what a tomahawk missle is.
>>28235906
Neat, will look. Thanks.
>>28235234
Wow, they used willy peat on people. Media had a fucking field day with that.
Geneva convention just didn't apply?
>This whole thread
>>28235187
>The whole thing would've ended without any Bullshit
your face when fallujah only went to shit after the marines publicly trashed the army strat of airstrikes and changed it up for the sake of not being army 2.0 cuz need that funding!
of course the result is a bunch of retarded marines thinking they're the shit getting their asses handed to them when it turns out you can't just defile and blasphem.
eg fallujah 1 and 2
>your face when the chowder society was pathetically a thing (marine officers lobbying for their literal lives)
>the marines were so unsure of their value that they actually got congress to dictate their existence and even fucking force structure(kek) in legal legislation
stalin would be proud of the propaganda machine the muhreens once ran. it's fucking incredible how they managed to stay alive.
>>28236058
ITT: cringe
>>28235929
Thats the marines for ya
>>28235252
>>28236084
And they fuck up everything they are allowed to do, too
Along with literally wasting all their procurement money
>>28234993
Actually after checkin the wallets of the guys we killed we found them to be from everywhere EXCEPT Iraq. Syria, Jordan ect.
So there goes that argument. :-)
Jesus fuck this thread is cringey. The second attack involved both Marine and Army units, a good read on it is House to House by David Bellavia
>>28236300
I remember that scene from Generation Kill
>He put "JIHAD" for Passport Control, that's some wicked shit dude. I mean, that's some evil shit man
>>28236334
If the marines didn't fuck it up in the first battle
And weren't taking so many casualties being dumbasses, then committing warcrimes
The whole occupation would have gone better, and there wouldn't be an ISIS today.
>>28234515
3rd armored cavalry gets put in charge of a large city. Very small unit, too small for such a large area, also prone to shooting children.
3rd ID gets sent to reinforce them. 3rd AD removes base from inside fallujah, 3rd ID doesn't set up a new base in fallujah and just ignores it in between mounting elaborate counter-insurgency focused bicycle stealing operation.
Big Mosque explodes killing big imam guy who everyone liked and who had been keeping things fairly together in fallujah. Everyone blames the 3rd ID for the explosion.
3rd ID continue stealing bicycles, mercenary groups get caught hunting children for sport inside city.
Finally kidnappings of contractors and some 3rd ID troops occurs, everyone tries to negotiate things to get them released, ultimately some are released, others will be executed.
Muhreens get sent into fallujah and try to set up base during negotiations. During unilateral ceasefire by muhreens, carbomb blows up giant sculpture made of stolen bicycles the 3rd had made. Also 4 PMCs in convoy sending cutlery supplies to fallujah muhreen base gets fucked up by militants, all 4 PMCs are set on fire, rolled around until the fire gets put out, dragged from the rear of cars, beaten, then burned again.
Muhreens lose shit at thought of not getting new cutlery, begin seige of city in First Battle of Fallujah. Attempt to get Iraqi security involved leads to iraqi security melting and leaving only their uniforms behind, muhreens blame lack of decent cutlery and begin doing sweeps and what effectively amounts to figuring out who, in a large angry mob in a large angry city, was specifically responsible for burning cutlery delivery drivers to death. Locals are uncooperative, Muhreens start shooting any males who look old enough they see and close down the only hospital. This, surprisingly to Muhreens, leads to every single male in the city taking up arms against them.
40 dead muhreens and 700 fallujahns by end of first battle.
>>28236551
>elaborate counter-insurgency focused bicycle stealing operation.
>>28236551
No doubt it was surprising to them that iraqi's wouldn't fight other iraqi's!
>>28236551
> On 28 April, a crowd of approximately 200 people gathered outside the school past curfew, demanding that the Americans vacate the building and allow it to re-open as a school. The protesters became increasingly heated, and the deployment of smoke gas canisters failed to disperse the crowd.[14] The protest escalated as gunmen reportedly fired upon U.S. forces from the protesting crowd and U.S. Army soldiers from the 1st Battalion of the 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment of the 82nd Airborne Division returned fire, killing 17 people and wounding more than 70 of the protesters. There were no U.S. Army or coalition casualties in the incident. U.S. forces said that the shooting took place over 30–60 seconds, however other sources claim the shooting continued for half an hour.[15]
lol jesus christ
>>28234682
We were saying shit like that right before fallujah my dood, don't fret.
>>28236765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_30VjNREhAM
>>28236551
Army hears about destruction of kick ass stolen bicycle statue 3rd ID had made getting destroyed, say fuck it, and make Muhreens back off and negotiate a truce.
Army, in typical army fashion, decide it'd be best if a local iraqi in charge of a local iraqi force of 1000 people is put in charge of city. Army's first pick, the former iraqi general who gassed the kurds that one time, is rejected by local militias and so US Army replace him with another hussein era general who accepts most of the insurgents who'd just been fighting the muhreens as "soldiers", and the US even helps arm and hand out saddam era uniforms for them to all wear.
General is briefly spotted boarding a plane bound for UAE before US Army realises what has happened, meanwhile Fallujah's streets are covered in banners declaring insurgent victory over US forces and carbombs are constantly tossed at US road check point leading from fallujah to Baghdad.
US air force is given go ahead to "soften up" city by blowing up restaurants militants are thought to hang out at.
Furthermore, another siege is implemented and anyone spotted by muhreens nightsights out after curfew is summarily executed by muhreen squads.
Finally, after 4 months of picking at the scab that is Fallujah, a full assault is made by Muhreens in the SECOND battle of Fallujah. Which begins by the muhreens taking over and arresting anyone in the city's only hospital and then proceeds to move through all of the city's mosques, killing anyone who resists, and capturing anyone who doesn't, ultimately destroying 60 of the city's 100 mosques. White phosphorous will be used in this assault to an extent that there are "friendly fire" WP injuries sustained by US troops.
By the end of it, 1200 insurgents will have been killed, 1000 captured, 71 US personnel and 8 iraqi army soldiers will have died. To this day, Fallujah still has no internet access and is currently occupied by ISIS.
>>28236825
>>28236585
>>28236551
Ok, what the shit is this bicycle thing about?
source?
>>28236832
They started confiscating all the motorcycles in town because they thought insurgents were using them for drive-by's
>>28236054
It was actually used mostly for smoke, either as an obscurant, or a marker.
Meanwhile, Putin makes the sky rain willie pete in Syria and it doesn't even make the news.
>>28236825
Also a solid amount of birth defects and infant mortality rates.
>>28235970
His whole blog should be required reading for /k/.
>>28236551
>>28236825
What is this from? holy fuck lol
>>28236434
Yeah. Fucked up shit eh? Our media made it sound like we were being over run daily and doing Veitnam style village burns. But Ahmed kills a bunch of kids and our medis doesnt report it.
>>28236459
No one really fucked up the first battle. We fucked up the "after battle." We didnt provide security for civilians returning, hell we didnt even tell civilians we had fought there. Imagine just coming home to find your house a pile of rubble and no idea why, then some insurgent comes by and blames it all on the US.
>>28236951
Man bites dog is a lot more interesting than dog bites man.
Fun Facts:
the two battles of Falluja were among the earliest encounters between ISIS and USA. They were called AQI back then
>>28234713
I do get that you were in fallujah. But can you really make a blanket statment that no civilians were shot? You were a specialist. I don't think you had eyes on everything that happened during the operation. That said, good work comin home.
>>28236864
THAT BLOCK WAS ALREADY MESSED UP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs_6Psn1XK0
>>28234685
whys there a guy with an mp5 at the end when their climbing in to check the dead
>>28236991
I can say that it did happen at least once.And that Soldier got buttfucked by UCMJ. I forget the story but it was something along the lines of he made a tragic mistake. I do remember being terrified to shoot the wrong person, along with everyone else there.
We sure as fuck were not running around executing people for the hell of it. Yoi have to understand that by the time we actually went in, it was after we had told them we were coming and to stay down and out of the way if they couldnt leave.
I do remember something about bikes or motorcycles, but the anon talking about it is doing satire...he isnt that far off though.
>>28235970
>http://avengerredsix.blogspot.ca/2005/08/canister-shot.html
That guy got a neuroscience degree from johns hopkins and then enlisted?
>>28237246
>I do remember something about bikes or motorcycles
fucking lol
>>28236551
>mercenary groups get caught hunting children for sport inside city
wut
>>28237082
Either a specialized team member, or he picked it up from a cache while on mission. I had one that I got from a cache...took it on mission a few times as a back up weapon...but never where the COC would see.
>>28235970
>http://avengerredsix.blogspot.ca/2005/08/canister-shot.html
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2005garm/wednesday/macmillan.pdf
>>28237330
He was doing satire with bits of real stuff.
Pic from 04 a few months before all this went down. I am in the center
this happened
>>28235714
Could you go back to being gone if you're to be that much of a weepy cunt?
>>28235929
We lost a lot because it was the earliest counter attacks by insurgent forces. They celebrated any situation with an American death.
>>28237372
some faggot?
>>28236825
This is some good-ass reading. I'm also curious about the mercenary child hunters. What a shitshow.
>>28239158
Not real. None of what that anon wrote was really real. Just a satirical sketch of what happens at war.
>>28236951
>Our media made it sound like we were being over run daily and doing Veitnam style village burns
God, you are delusional. People like you give the military a bad name.
>>28234682
Go to Syria and get all you want pussy
>>28236054
Doesn't apply if the country didn't sign the article
>>28235187
What, Tomahawks with W80s? It was filled with Sunni insurgents, not necromorphs. Turning it into glow in the dark glass wouldn't have been appropriate.
Tomahawks with any other warhead? They already had plenty of firepower available. Deploying it effectively was the problem because of the need to clearly identify targets.
>>28236971
I thought ISIS grew out of AQ in Syria, who then moved into Iraq which I guess at that point AQI joined their ranks.
>>28239714
ISIS was always in Iraq and never really left, but they used the Syrian civil war to move into eastern Syria to set up a base. Kind of like in Vietnam how Cambodia and Laos were used by the NVA/VC. They used the base in Syria to essentially invade northern Iraq.
Nusra was actually part of ISIS originally but the leader of Nusra didn't want to share power and broke off and pledged allegiance to regular Al Qaeda.
I think Al Qaeda in Iraq started calling itself ISIS in about 2009-2010.
>>28235252
its ok kommrade they just dont understand. cognitive dissonance is a funny thing.
>>28235289
Hey, don't knock Poli-sci.
I got a cool libertarian-ish professor.
>>28235187
Dropping a ton of throw-able hand-axes on the enemy would have dubious results I'm afraid.
>>28234747
Rumor has it that dog was okay, its just the cut made it seem like it didnt get up.
>>28238682
Ghost of Iraq, 645 confirmed kills
>>28241980
Juba is not a single man, you propaganda swallowing nitwit.
"Juba" was "confirmed" by the insurgents to be the sniper behind almost every successful sniper attack on US forces, including some that happened hundreds of miles apart on the same day.
This is why American brass never seemed serious about hunting him, you might as well have asked the FBI what they are doing to shut down the internet terrorist who goes by the screenname of "anonymous" on the "social media" website 4Chan.
I helped bust up one of the "Juba" camera vans/mobile sniper posts in Anbar, the guys running it were Bosniaks.
>>28242012
>"Juba" was "confirmed" by the insurgents to be the sniper behind almost every successful sniper attack on US forces, including some that happened hundreds of miles apart on the same day.
Obviously the ghost of Iraq had access to a private plane.
>>28234747
He didn't have a dog in the fight
>>28235252
Statism and soldier-worship are strong here.
You are wasting your time arguing morality on /k/.
>>28242053
Pull your head out of tumblr. We don't care about gun confiscation fantasies because we are winning that particular culture war.
>>28234515
4 contractors got fucked so they leveled a city.
>>28242061
Tumblr is leftist, pro-state circlequeefing. They love the system that also commits war.
>>28242020
>scrolling front page before going to catalogue
>see this comment
>someone cant possibly be this stupid can they?
>remember where I am
You can drive hundreds of miles in the same day. You wouldn't need a plane fucktard..
>>28235341
>Enemy
>Bad guy
Literally an interchangeable term, especially in warfare. Refusing to call your enemy the bad guy implies that he may not be bad, and therefore undermines your own allegiance and objective.
>Tumblr fuck off
>>28235849
but seriously who the fuck is this old fuck who's spewing dank 4chin memes
>>28242104
In post invasion Iraq, you could not.
Any good road had road blocks, any road without road blocks were bombed to shit and wouldn't let you drive with any speed, fuel was hard to come by and JSTARS were tasked with identifying vehicles following patterns like road block evasion.
Juba exists only in propaganda. If there was ever a real sniper who inspired the idea of Juba, he was certainly killed before he achieved enough fame to be on the Brass's radar.
>>28236551
>>28236825
PM 100% accurate. Army brass thought they could fuck with the corrupt Iraqi's in order to spare Marines/Army (both) having the suffer casualties and fight it out. It wasn't a bad plan it just didn't work, and the two staffs did not agree on the strategy causing further complications.
The last fight the Army and Marine Corps, together, both very frustrated felt no mercy. The 2nd Battle of Fallujah is best described as the city was Sacked, all military aged men were killed or captured, period.
>>28237351
Did the other two guys make it?
>>28234993
>and not normal Iraqis trying to defend their country from invaders
You mean the same Iraqis who invaded Iran, Kuwait and gassed Kurds?
>>28236765
Are these the same Americans that go on about the "Boston massacre"?
>>28237372
The Juba videos were taken in Baghdad, not Fallujah.
>>28241980
>645 kills
Where the fuck do you people even get this shit?
>>28242203
Eh the Boston Massacre was bs and we know. GOT R INDEPENDENCE THO SUCK IT BRITFAG!
Buddy of mine was in the battle. Told me it stopped being fun after he hit mag 11/20
>mfw he would tell stories and get that 1000 yard stare
It never happened
>2015
>believing the Falluhoax
Good goy
>>28242263
It always irks me that the "actual military" has committed dozens upon dozens of war crimes yet Blackwater have like 2 incidents and suddenly PMCs ARE EVUL.
Fucking hate people man.
>>28235252
No man they got paid. It was and has continued to be about the money.
>Rothschild, Murdoch, ect...
>>28235252
Those army kids are so brainwashed it hurts to say this but if they didn't get paid they wouldent fight. I must also say if they knew who their real enemy was they wouldent have been in the army in the first place. The media and schools in America blast propaganda so hard on kids these days they would rather kill and be "glorious" than read and struggle but I don't blame em', follow the money trail.... It leads to the real criminal. If any war veterans are reading this I hope you don't make your life any harder on yourself and just try to understand who(Rothschild, Murdoch, Silverstein, ect...) is starting g the wars and for what reasons.
I promise one day the world will look back on those events with better days in heart but for now we still have men around the world dancing for them dollars... Bloody fuckin hell.
>>28235989
No, not missiles. Actual Tomahawks.
>>28234685
>Storming empty buildings to make a promo video.
>War footage.
Mmmmmh
>>28242203
All I ever hear about it is how flimsy an excuse it was. Parts of the American Revolution read like a bunch of overenthusiastic frat boys and paranoid farmers fueled by some crazy fabrications and exaggerations by the press. Luckily lead by a lot of philosophers and self interested elites who were all miraculously good at their jobs.
>>28235260
>The first failed because the terrorists were much better armed than we thought.
>Terrorists
For fucks sake man you-re brainwashed. Now all enemy troops are de facto terrorists?
"MUH I'M NOT FIGHTING A FOREIGN ARMY. I AMMA FIGHTIN' DA TERRORISTA".
Holy shit how old are you? 13?
Terrorists of what? What was their terrorism about?
You were fucking invading a country. I do not need to be on /pol/ to call you out on the bullshit you write. Every legit grunt should know.
>>28242457
>You were fucking invading a country.
But a good chunk of insurgents weren't even from Iraq, my mad friend
>>28237246
>I do remember being terrified to shoot the wrong person, along with everyone else there.
Are you even trained?
Fallujah West best map of Project Reality
>>28237246
>We sure as fuck were not running around executing people for the hell of it.
Let me explain.
Every time I talk to Muricans, they are always so self-righteous and have a reason for everything they do.
You cannot point out a mistake and they immediately go: "yes, BUT...". But what?
They usually repeat some bullshit they've been told to be the truth, and basically will never see your point, however cogent it is, because they do not even entertain the possibility of having got some facts wrong. They are in perpetual denial of mistakes.
Consider, e.g. the story of randomly shooting restaurants "terrorists hang around". Of course I know that you were not doing things at random.
I am pretty sure there were informants, intellogence officers, and orders about "smoking those bastards' then". Or bullshit like "they hide among the people" (instead of insurgents ARE the people).
So I don't doubt that for the American eyes those attacks were 100% legit. They were not because facts, but because yoi are so good at creating a narrative around your actions that you never step forward without a sense of self-righteousness and fulfillment following you in your steps.
80% of your intelligence is not about checking facts, but about cherry picking reasons that fit your pseudo-democratic narrative.
That's how I read your comments, anon.
"MUH WE HAD REASONS TO DO SO".
of course you had, my dear. You are very good at making things up and believe the story you're telling.
>>28242186
>PM 100% accurate. Army brass thought they could fuck with the corrupt Iraqi's in order to spare Marines/Army (both) having the suffer casualties and fight it out. It wasn't a bad plan it just didn't work, and the two staffs did not agree on the strategy causing further complications.
Italians would have made such a plan work...
>>28242538
Top kek.
>>28237262
As my buddy pointed out there are three types of army doctors:
1- people who couldn't be doctors anywhere else (no malpractice :D)
2- people who can't afford to pay through college, get the expertise in the military
3- people who are just nationalistic and okay with the lower pay if it means serving.
This guy fits into number 3.
>>28242297
Bless your heart.
>>28242523
>tips fedora
>>28235252
>2015
>thinking that the military will blindly follow gun confiscation when even the police say they won't
Children these days.
>>28235252
Just checking in to let you know you're not the only one senpai.
Those who are arguing against you don't even understand what they're arguing.
>>28235341
All Muslims are bad guys
Deal with it
>>28236054
IIRC You can use Willy pete (peat?) to mark areas as smoke but the way the US gets around this is by "marking" the area right on top of the opposing forces
>>28243351
Our police said the same thing about allowing gay marriage in our state. In the end, they sucked it "in the name of duty" because they put an ordered society above their personal beliefs.
If you don't see some of the most racist fucks of the south sticking to their word about that, how well do you think things are gonna go when they're told to confiscate guns from all non-officers?
>>28236054
Geneva Convention only applies to uniformed soldiers fighting in a conventional war.
Guess what we weren't fighting?
>>28235929
We had a few friendly fire incidents...that and the Marines decided to use a mine clearing charge for suppression at one point.
>>28234606
b-a-n-a-n-a-s
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>>28235929
>>28243718
We also never signed the prohibition on incendiary weapons. International law does, however, say you can't use it on civilians. Insurgents and armed belligerents don't receive that protection.
>>28243796
Quads checked.
>>28235252
TOP REKT
The brave sand niggers would mingle in large crowds and pop off rounds at us then run leaving the crowd of filthy shiftless muds between us and them. Yeah, a few of them caught rounds, but you leftist leaning apologists should know that we (US ARMY/Marines) never intentionally randomly fired at people. However, some of "friends in the SAS ROUTINELY did, especially in the Shia controlled areas.
The question all of you should be asking is why the fuck we were there in the first place.
>>28243879
I did not tell the enemy to mix in with the local populous
t. Sgt Iceman
kek spleegs
>>28234515
Die hard veterans of wars sept into the city from all parts of middle east, barricaded themselves in
Fun fact: troops were forced to engage targets in the head almost exclusively due to the fact that insurgents would only expose their heads when shooting at our boys.
They took so many headshots that they sent in investigators because they thought they were executing people.
Hajis charged M1 tanks high on some crazy sand nigger shit and were blown away thinking they were invincible...
>>28234993
All right chuckle fuck
Why is it that the Air Force can wipe a village, a fucking wedding, or a god damn birthday party and say "whoops, collateral damage, sorry, here's 2 million" but the ground pounders cap a couple shitskins accidentally and its a big fucking Jag deal??
Immediately before the Marine invasion, the population of the city was warned, literally, in writing, GTFO by D-day or you will likely be killed or injured. Everyone there WANTED to fucking fight and die. Period.
>>28243979
It was a very significant city to the iraqis. At the time we thought we could gain trust of iraqis and destroying one of there greatest cities would end that quickly.
>>28243998
Most of the innocents, like 2 thirds of the population left I think.
>>28236825
>To this day, Fallujah still has no internet access and is currently occupied by ISIS
>no internet access
so they wont see me posting this?
>>28234515
The military had to be reminded how to win, and subsequently forgot how to win.
>>28242193
you mean the same gas sold to them by the USA and France?
>>28237262
Commissioned is the term that you're looking for. And now that we've established that you have no idea what you're talking about...
>>28234806
underrated post
>>28243692
There's a big difference between fucking gay marriage and gun confiscation
>>28248737
not him but not really. in the end they are issues used by those in power to get people worked up to keep people under control
its just a turn of the cage
guns and fags will exist regardless of rules
there will always be those who comply and those who do not
>>28237351
You look like someone who browses 4chan, so I believe you.
>>28249396
Gott mit uns mom
many keks where had
>>28243727
to be hones, that does sound pretty awesome
>>28234558
this
and also amerifats got butthurt by pictures of toasted mercenaries hung from a bridge
>>28243351
Didn't cops and possibly American Sniper do just that in Louisiana?
>>28242484
They were muslims fighting against the crusaders
>>28235260
> terrorists
You were in their country, in their hometown, busting the doors of their homes.
You are an invader and imperialist.
>>28252334
Not him but, oh fucking well. Honestly we should have kicked the ever loving shit out of them. They should be telling their kids horror stories of those evil Americans 50 years after we took over the country.
>>28252334
>their country
>their hometown
Funny, most of them were from out of country, like pakistan.
But acknowledgeing that does not fit your narrative, does it?
>>28235938
I loved that show.
>>28234515
Chris Kyle happened.
>>28242297
Welp that was stupid.
isn't this the city where those 4 mercs literally got roasted by civilians? kek
>>28242523
Whelp that was stupid.
>>28252466
>That gif
Holy christ I lose it every time.
>>28252374
Foreign fighter doesn't necessarily equal terrorist.
>>28236551
I didnt know Michael Moore posts on 4chan
Was it falluja where they found a mongoloid chained to some bed?
>>28253288
No that was the x files
>>28242297
>be french soldier
>have a degree in law and anthopology
>base pay is lower than unemployment aid (yeah, it's a fucking disgrace)
>If I was working in the private sector I would gain 40% more for the same job
>number of worked hours off the charts (doesn't change the pay one bit)
>due to computer bugs in the accounting system, some colleagues weren't paids for months
>never heard so much hate against the system and politicians than in the army
Yeah, I'm sure all modern militaries are entirely composed of mercenaries and brainwashed drones. I'm sure nobody fights because of outdated ideals like patria and altruism.
Not to mention that the social situation of a good part of the population in most regions where the develloped countries aren't watching is quite bad (read : nightmare inducing) by our standards. Pre-age of enlightenment ideology, and the powers in place will crush the populace to keep them in check, sometimes literally.
You know, you can't cry about those poor people and how the first world doesn't do anything, and then be outraged when the military actually goes there. Pick one, and realize that there will be horrors commited either way.
>>28253765
I've met plenty of vets that stayed in for the job not the benefits
side note: i'm really jealous of everyone's grasp of english language on this site. seems like the americans are the only ones that can't speak at least 3 languages. thank you, public education
>>28253765
>You know, you can't cry about those poor people and how the first world doesn't do anything, and then be outraged when the military actually goes there
The sad thing is they can and they do, every day They tend to scream the loudest in places like this too. I put them on the same levels as the pre enlightenment leadership you were talking bout though, and I've learned to tune them out because they are beyond saving.
>>28243979
To butcher Surorov: The JDAM is dumb, bullet is smart. The chair force is a very blunt instrument of destruction, whilst the ground pounder is supposed to be actually aiming at what he is hitting.
>>28243718
Like the media cared. If it could make Bush look bad, they were all for it, and who cares if it hurts the country in the process.
>>28255115
Didn't the media basically ignore a lot of the fucked up shit we did in Iraq?
>inb4 commie dicksuck
>>28234576
>>28235446
they had it coming, Blackwater PMCs were criminals
>>28236054
>Geneva convention
The U.S. never signed the Geneva convention you dumb dumb, and I'm fairly certain you're thinking of the Hague Convention
>>28242188
Yeah we all made it home. The closest guy to the Camera became a DJ. No clue about the other guy. I got out...twice...did a few more deployments, changed MOS;s a few times and wound up on the reserve side.
>>28249396
I think this was meant as an insult, but I take it as a compliment, for we are all brothers here.
>>28243727
u fuckin wot m8
>>28257070
It was meant as a non-insulting joke, so I'm glad you didn't take it as an insult.
I've noticed that people in the service are great or shit based on whether or not they are great or shit, not by how they look. I've met hard looking guys who were in gangs who were great people to be around and guys who grew up in the suburbs who were poisonous personalities that made everything they were involved in bad somehow. In short, you posted you, you seem like a good guy, and I believe you. Thanks for being a good sport. I know the thread's getting long, but I hope you see my response.
Also, sorry it took so long to respond, was looking for a greentext about an odd guy who became a medic and was killed in action saving others, but I couldn't find it. Probably for the best, since it causes some feels.
>>28256714
How is it people can be this fucking stupid?
The US never signed one protocol of the Geneva. Alll others were signed and the main 4 conventions were ratified.
Likewise only one convention from the Hague was never signed or ratified.
It wouldn't have been such a fuckup if the marines weren't in charge of things desu
Only reason American death rates are low is due to bodyarmor and rapid medical care.
