Has an outnumbered party ever really won a war? I mean long-term victory, not just a token victory that meant nothing a few years later or something.
In recent memory at least, no matter how well they did or how much technology they had, they lost in the long run:
Germany WWII
Japan WWII
Germany WWI
Confederate States of America
So I'm talking about major, total war scenarios. Not little minor stuff.
>>28092885
The American Revolution.
>>28092885
You need to educate yourself is these scenarios are the bredth of your historical knowledge. Get off of /k/ and start learning some world history.
>>28092894
Not a total war though. UK committed relatively little. Were the American armies even outnumbered in the colonies?
>>28092885
Fancy equipment isn't that useful without meatbags to operate it.
>>28092936
True. And in the War of Southern Independence, the Confederates were out-manned and out-teched. Double whammy.
>>28092885
Quite a few Roman wars actually. Their advanced technique after switching from the phalanx made them deadlier than their enemies (the Gauls for example)
Mongols and other steppe cultures.
>>28092924
The British still outnumbered the Continental army, and the war had the highest percentage of participation other than world war two.what is your definition of total war? Care to move the goalposts again
Vietnam beat China after it beat the US. Most people don't know about that little tidbit of history.
>Vietnam: the Afghanistan of SE Asia
>>28093157
>he thinks Vietnam beat the US
>>28093033
tbqh family we only started winning once the frenchies taught us how to fight effectively. french troops helped a lot too. by the time saratoga came about the brits had little more to devote to the war. they didnt care, they still held onto most of the midwest and canada for a long time after the end of the american revolution. nobody is moving goalposts, read a book.
>>28093249
Oh hey look, you did it again.the Americans were out numbered and they won. The end.
>>28093196
>The US didn't lose in Vietnam meme
Good try
>>28093249
The French provided troops, the Prussians provided training, and we provided the aim in "Ready, Aim, Fire".
>>28093157
North Vietnam signed a peace agreement with the South before the US left, as I recall.
>>28093273
>>28093196
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
>those claimed casualty figures on both sides
>my fucking sides
I don't know the exact numbers, but the Cuban Revolution is a notable example of a small force taking on a larger force and winning decisively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolution
>>28093269
By every reputable estimate, the troop numbers, including Hessians and loyalists fighting for the empire, and colonists, french, etc, show that the numbers were pretty evenly matched. some estimates actually have the crown substantially outnumbered.
youre wrong. youre meme history america feels dont make your false history true. im american and damn proud but youre just making shit up.
>Over the course of the war, about 231,000 men served in the Continental Army, though never more than 48,000 at any one time, and never more than 13,000 at any one place. The sum of the Colonial militias numbered upwards of 145,000 men.
France also dispatched a substantial force to North America beginning in 1779, with more than 12,000 soldiers and a substantial fleet joining the Colonial Americans by wars end.
At its peak, the British Army had upwards of 22,000 men at its disposal in North America to combat the rebellion. An additional 25,000 Loyalists, faithful to Great Britain, participated in the conflict as well.
Nearly 30,000 German auxiliaries, or Hessians, were hired out by German princes and served alongside the British for the duration of the war.
Read a book nigger.
Ancient Greeks vs. Persians . Ancient Greeks were outnumbered but still managed to protect their territory.
Rebels vs Empire in Star Wars
>>28093555
Decisive Greek victory at the Battle of Marathon basically turned the tide of war in favor of the Greek city states. I always wonder why modern Greece is so shitty.
By some accounts, the Polish winged hussars fucked shit up wherever they went, the difference in causualties is amazing for that time period
>>28092885
Alexander the great
>>28093269
Well no fuckin shit there were more Mericans in Mericans you fuckin idiot, that doesn't change the fact that the British brought better troops more troops more cavalry more cannon to almost every battle and still lost. Maybe you should try to use critical thinking skills and try to understand what I'm talking about. Yeah there where more sympathetic colonials fighting and resisting the British but not all at once.
>>28093555
>Ancient Greeks vs. Persians . Ancient Greeks were outnumbered but still managed to protect their territory.
This. Alexander's victories against the Persians were classical military victories facing a more numerous opponent. They may not have been the 100 to 1 ratio that some historical sources claim, but Alexander was almost definitely outnumbered and won based off of proper implementation of tactics and equipment.
>>28093615
Because modern Greeks aren't even the same race as the ancient Greeks were. They've been raped by Turks for so many centuries that they're practically Turks themselves
>>28092885
>I mean long-term victory, not just a token victory that meant nothing a few years later or something.
Well, seeing as Israel still exists today despite the fact all its neighbors want to see it burn...
>>28092885
>Germany WWI
Implying Germany lost ww1.
Both parties where locked in a stalemate. Germany wasn't occupied and they thought they would get a fair peace treaty because Woodrow Wilson said so. Then the French faggots decided change their mind and fucked over Germany so hard they would take revenge on them in ww2.
Its not like their army was defeated and their country was occupied.
>>28096800
oh so now its about skill not numbers, ok faggot
also the crown won the vast majority of battles from 1765-1777.
youre as bad as gun grabbing libtards. why use facts when you have feels.
>implying your original comment wasnt about troop numbers anyways
>>28093501
48k revolutionaries+12k frogs=60k bodies total at the height
48k brits and loyalists+30k krauts=78k fighting for the bongs
Is math not your strong suit?
>>28092885
Winter wars.
>>28092885
despite the popular image of the Mongol "hordes" they were vastly outnumbered by literally every single enemy they faced. also Caesar in Gual, Wellington in India and later Spain are some other good examples.
>>28096855
you clearly need to read about WW1, Germany (and the allied Austro-Hungarian Empire) totally lost, there was no stalmate as teh Allied were pushing the German troops back. Germany had rejected Wilson's offer, France of course wanted to weaken Germany forever, the Anglos (GB and USA) prevented a breakup of the German Empire.
>>28092885
1st Sino-Japanese War
Maybe it's debatable since most of the war took place in Korea, but the Japs were still outnumbered.
>>28094441
People on /his/ have no clue what they're talking about half the time
It's really no different from here except we tend to have a better grasp of logistics and how equipment stacks up against each other
Not OP btw
>>28092894
>39,000 British
>19,000 American Loyalists
>30,000 Hessians
>13,000 Natives
VS
>45,000-90,000 Americans
>75,000 French and Spanish
Maybe don't learn your revolutionary history from The Patriot.
Soviet-Afghan War
Every Arab-Israeli War
Polish-Soviet War
>>28092885
Opium wars or any of the various military operations by the British in India during the eighteenth century. They were often vastly outnumbered.
The conquest of the Aztecs and Incas.
>>28092885
The time the Ottoman empire tried and failed to conquer Malta is a good example.
>>28092885
IIRC Hannibal kicked a shitload of ass while being grossly outnumbered
Cannae being a good example
>>28099329
To be fair, the Inca conquest was made possible because a shitload of Inca troops sided with the Spanish
The Inca Empire had just finished a huge civil war and plenty of the defeated side saw this as a second chance
>>28092991
The Mongol army was fuckhuge desu senpai.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myeongnyang
Admiral Yi Sun Shin from Korea won against hundreds of Japanese ships when he only had 13 ships.
No idea what hax he used. According to the Korean's side of the story, he even repelled 3 simultaneous boarding attack in one instance.
It couldn't be that the Japanese were incompetent. After all, they steamrolled Koreans and Chinese Alliance on land battles all the way to Pyongyang. Japan got rekt on the seas. Messed up their momentum hard by not getting supplies from sea and the invasion stalled.
>>28092924
>the UK didnt even devote all their time and energy to the war, it wasnt really a loss for them. Id they really wanted to they couldve burnt the colonies to the ground.
>>28093273
look! American dogs pulled out every thing they had and they still lost to peasant farmers. hahaha complete loss for the US! hahaa
>>28098820
Kek.
Reminds me in Highschool when a guy did a report on William Wallace, and just recapped the movie Braveheart scene by scene and played a clip from the movie.
>the teachers face when
>>28092885
Prussia in every war it ever fought ever.
Kingdom of Sweden at the height of its power?
