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Friendly reminder that the main part of this Tank (the Rheinmetall-Cannon) is German.
So?
>>28091822
As long as we're baiting, take a gander at this totally-not biased chart from the Armata propaganda branch aka armored warfare
>>28091859
whats the point?
>>28091859
>comparing the GAME STATS of a tier 10 against t9s
If you were to take other t10s in game they would probably look the same, fucktard
>>28091980
They aren't comparing ingame stats you fuckwit, 4 of those tanks aren't even in the game yet.
how many tanks used the L7 in the cold war?
>>28091822
Anyone who gives a shit is probably glad to have "kraut stronk" engineering involved.
>>28091822
Duh, that's what America is. We're thieves, plagiarists. We sneak in through your windows and copy down all of your greatest works that you treasure, the works of your neighbors that you envy, and the works of your enemies that you fear. We take everything we want from you and tell you to leave your traditions and past loyalties at the door. We lure your best and brightest away from home with promises of freedom or education or McNuggets. We're those dirty little bastards that copied all of your brightest ideas and pair them with the brightest of every other person over whose shoulder we could sneak a look.
Nothing starts as an American thing. It belongs to someone else until we point at it and say, "We could do with that, it's American now."
If this country manages to survive long enough to contact other spacefaring species, I give it ten years before miniature versions of all of ET's greatest works decorate tacky casinos in Vegas.
>>28091822
>main part of the tank
>wasn't even in the original design
>>28092483
word
>>28092483
>We're thieves, plagiarists
The M256A1 are manufactured under license in the U.S, how the fuck is that stealing?
Germany and the U.S. are close allies. We both build good stuff and buy from one another.
>>28091822
It's a licensed US built version of the German cannon.
>>28092495
You mean the 105mm, which was a licence built British design?
Only the most retarded nationalists would care anyway.
>>28091822
>Friendly reminder that the main part of this Tank (the Rheinmetall-Cannon) is German.
And you will not be able to explain why the M256 is not interchangeable with the Rhm120.
Who gives a fuck desu. The M249/M240 are Belgian and the M16 is now manufactured by Belgians. A lot of stuff in US inventory is not purely American origin, that's what happens when you have allies that make quality stuff, you use it because its good. But I suppose the sort of person that makes shitpost threads like this isn't the type to know what having friends is like.
>>28091822
that doesn't mean anything.
The M256 is a domestically produced and modified license of the L44. If you want to talk about semantics the Germans are now using the L55 because their under-penetrating ammo and lethality game were lacking and they needed to catch up. That being said with the M829A3 Super Sabot, FCS, the American M256 is more lethal than the German setup.
>>28091859
The Abrams fire rate is actually faster than that. By a small margin. Daily reminder, Manual Loaders are better than autos.
>>28091822
the main part of the english language is germanic, i dont get the problem.
>>28094657
technically the Abrams was built for a gun that didn't exist yet. But was meant to incorporate next gen technology at the tiem.
Friendly reminder that no one gives a shit since the 2 countries that own the tanks are allies. Its still an American tank. Just like the Sherman Firefly, P-51 Mustang, etc. Just because they were given to the UK for their use it doesnt mean its officially British.
>>28092483
>when Americans copy and plagiarize something
>innovation and ingenuity
>when Chinese copy and plagiarize something
>filthy stealing communists
>>28094657
>he thinks the M68 was a copy of the L7
This is where you copypaste wikipedia like it means something.
>>28092483
This sums up 'murrica. Well done anon.
>>28098574
Neat, thanks for sharing, I never knew this.
>>28091859
>Merk 4
>4 RPM
Triggered
>>28094573
The 120mm smoothbore originated from the joint US-German MBT70 project.
Pic related, because when Americans and Germans cooperate the result is usually God-tier
>>28091822
>"American" Tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8s_Z73RdfA
>>28098657
The stats are from a book called why the Armata is better than its competitors, the community guy who posted it said he knew it was biased and wanted to spark conversation.
>>28098769
>>28098732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro
>>28091822
Actually both the M1 and Leopard 2 have German and American roots as they were based on a prototype American-German tank.
>>28098306
it's because we're actually good at it
Over 60 tons of American FREEDOM!
>>28091859
>Armor thickness >900mm
>XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA))))
>>28098869
So were the Japanese and you complained about their shitty and cheap textiles and knockoff cars in the 60s and 70s.
So were the Taiwanese and you complained about their cheap and shitty knockoff electronics.
So were the South Koreans and you complained about their cheap and shitty knockoff commercial boats.
And not to mention the entirety of Europe post WWII who depended on your aid and injection of capital, and then used whatever infrastructure that wasn't completely in ruin to build almost exact but shittier duplicates of all the capital assets you gave them.
American exceptionalism is just an excuse to justify double standards.
>>28099025
>its only exceptionalism if Americans do it
Nevermind the difference between licensing something and stealing something.
>>28099025
But Japan, South Korea and Europe actually produce patentable ideas and scientific progress.
China doesn't.
>>28099076
All the countries that anon listed were American allies, so they had an easier time getting the licensing to copy American civilian tech at the time.
China had to resort to stealing the tech because it was a Communist state, and the cold war made any American licensing difficult, it was only until the cold war was over that China could properly get the licenses, but the cold war habits ran too deep and stealing IP became the status quo because getting things free was far cheaper then outright buying it.
>>28099091
You can thank the great leap forward and cultural revolution for that, it was such a scientific and technological brain drain that any innovation was only possible in the late 80s or early 90s after the economical and educational reforms took root.
>>28098931
Nice FV4201 Chieftain.
>>28099179
>All the countries that anon listed were American allies, so they had an easier time getting the licensing to copy American civilian tech at the time.
And yet you cannot explain why China will license things to get the design and then start producing them without regard for royalties or the like.
>>28099228
>but the cold war habits ran too deep and stealing IP became the status quo because getting things free was far cheaper then outright buying it.
Should have worded that better, but I'm sure you get what I mean.
>>28098306
License building is not "copying and plagiarizing."
This is a big distinction that chicoms ALWAYS struggle to understand
>>28099271
It seems like everyone's saying it's Communism, which is probably mostly right, but not for the right reasons. In both Confucianism and Communism, knowledge is a "social good", so China's probably not had any real reason to ever respect the western notions of intellectual property.
The linked journal talks about China's struggle with enforcing intellectual property rights with respect to China's relationship to Confucianism and its Socialist ideology.
"The Paradox of Confucian Determinism"
http://repository.jmls.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1158&context=ripl
>>28099656
>In both Confucianism and Communism, knowledge is a "social good", so China's probably not had any real reason to ever respect the western notions of intellectual property.
How does Taiwan fit into this argument? They're culturally/ethinically Chinese too, but democratic, love freedom, and respect intellectual property as much as any other western country.
>>28099179
To this day, despite the fact that China is the world's 2nd largest economy, they aren't even in the top ten producers of intellectual property.
>>28100185
Read the whole article. It talks about how China differs from the other countries in the sinosphere which invariably were also influenced heavily by Confucianism.
It touches on Korea and Japan very near the beginning of the article, which will pretty much cover Taiwan in a broader general sense.
>German engineering
>American craftsmanship
The perfect tank
>>28100185
1). Taiwan was formed by the intellectual elite that escaped with the remnants of the KMT.
2). They took over a land that had pre-established infrastructure and relatively developed industries thanks to the Imperial Japanese.
3). They also took with them most of the gold and foreign currency reserve that China at the time possessed.
They were extremely well off and had relatively speaking competent leaders, specialists, technicians and professionals in every major economic, industrial and scientific field. And not to mention became allies with the United States after the Korean War.
>>28095241
That goes without saying, Germany refuses to use DU ammo.
>>28100261
The perfect anything, really.
>>28100283
>intellectual elite who are mostly western educated
Forgot to add that part.
>>28098769
I-I remember when the US used to do similar stuff. Now all we have are shitty "documentaries" on the "American Heroes Channel".
>>28091842
/thread
>>28091822
>Friendly reminder that the main part of this Tank (the Rheinmetall-Cannon) is German.
The main part of this tank is the American logistical capacity to deploy it in large numbers and support it indefinitely.
If America wants a fight, it could roll with fucking slavshit and push in the shit of any Rheinmetall-armed force that tried to stand against them.
>>28103085
Actually, that's a conflict I'd like to see: US industrial capacity and license-built T-72s, versus German industrial capacity and whatever kitty-cat tank they're so proud of these days.
>>28103106
>US industrial capacity
We had that 15-20 years ago
>>28092483
yeah remember when wright brothers stole the plane.
>>28105456
one word: jetengine
>>28091859
>48-49t
>900mm armor
Fuck physics yoooo
>>28100261
>American craftsmanship
Eeehhhhhhh...
>>28103284
This
we can't even get our plastic parts for the assembly plants out the door on time and within quality standards
>>28108022
Maybe you don't have enough diversity on the assembly line
>>28107322
Apples to oranges tbqhwy lad
Americans still invented the goddamn plane to put the jet engine on in the first place
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>>28098968
>1500mm Frontal Armor
Ukraine wins
>>28109057
no, our library of presses is too diverse, the nigs work fine, we're just changing out injection molds twelve to eighteen times a day in a 23-mold factory
as a caveat to that, I have no idea how plastics factories like this typically run and I'm crossing my fingers on a second promotion within my first year (I was asked by the man I'm supposed to replace), brass is saying we're getting back on task and need to stop trying to over-produce once quotas have been hit
>>28107380
fuck the school yooooo
what is RHA equivalent
>>28109290
>what is RHA equivalent
Funny since it say "armor thickness"
>>28091822
>Friendly reminder that the main part of this Tank (the Rheinmetall-Cannon) is German.
I guess just like the rest of America
>>28109375
>cavity depth of composite armor = RHA thickness
>>28109076
>+3 layers of ERA
holy fug
The difference between the US and the chink is that China shamelessly copies without understanding shit while the US conquered it fair and square, project, math and scientist
