Actual knowledge thread.
I think the FN P90 is quite possibly the most well rounded and versitile weapon on the market today. Take cost completely out of the equation (yes it and it's ammo are expensive, I get it) explain why this gun isn't so great to me, seriously. I think it's amazing.
The P90 combines all the best attributes of Pistols, SMG's and AR's plus it is the only gun that can give me a 'I'm not really sure why but I'm hard right now' feel. If you consider the trigger placement compared to the end of the barrel (military version, not that long barrel of the civilian version) It's roughly the same compactness of a pistol for handling purposes. It's got a 50 round magazine that ensures you get whatever job you set out to do: done. It's got a fire rate of 900 RPM for situations that might need a good spray (plus 50 rounds to lay down a nice cover). Finally it takes what is essentially an AR caliber round and lessens the velocity to inflict more damage at closer range. AR's are superior at a distance over 200 meters no question, but within that 200m range the P90 is an unstoppable force. AR rounds will slice clean through most opponents and as a result, actually are less likely to kill or stop an advancing enemy. P90 rounds fire at a slower velocity which results in more stopping power and more serious injury caused to opponent. Plus the top loading magazine is really innovative, sexy and it's bullpup design amounts to a more accurate/precise weapon.
The mags, rounds, and gun are expensive as shit, I know, ignore that. Just the gun itself as a PDW (let's say the zombie apocalypse where you scavange this military grade weapon, a dozen magazines, and unlimited ammo) nothing else can really compete with this.
An AK47 will be easier to find ammo/parts for and easier to take care of, sure. But assuming you teach yourself how to take great care of the weapon and have a tool kit to perform maintenance, what could possibly be better and why?
>>28085934
I'll bite.
>disregard ammo availability/cost in determining the most well rounded weapon in a catagory
>actual knowledge
>5.7
>FNH luxury taxes
>>28085965
Compelling, I learned a lot, you have completely changed my mind.
>>28085996
No problem!
>>28085965
Yeah, so what are you trying to say? Because if your plan was sounding retarded you definitely succeeded.
>>28085934
The 5.7 is an armor piercing round, meaning it has less stoppan powah than a bigger, bulkier round. Also, the 556 gets its lethality from the tumbling of the round in the target. Which only is achieved at higher velocities iirc
I got mine for $1k.
Mags aren't pmag cheap, but they're not HK expensive either. Plus, they hold FIFTY FUCKIN' ROUNDS.
Ammo costs about .30/r on a good day. Note this isn't the gnasty shit, but we civvies can barely get our hands on that anyway.
It's a fuckin' beautiful little setup and I wish we could get the ammo it was intended.
Really needs a giggle switch to shine unfortunately.
>>28086084
play greensleeves and vocaroo pls
HK UMP is still better
This post >>28086035 thank you!
I was under the impression the higher velocity the round, the more likely it was to just slice clean through. What is the best use for the 5.7 round? To defeat body armor?
>>28085934
Op been playing too much rainbow 6 vegas
>>28086141
I'd love to know why exactly. Not being sarcastic, serious, why is the UMP better than the P90? Is that the UMP45 or the UMP9? Or a different variant? Im genuinely curious.
>>28086100
anon pls
>>28086183
inb4
>cause' its HK
>>28085934
I need one of this in my life, but in 9mm or .45
>>28085934
I like it too.
Armor piercing.
50 round mag.
Ergonomic.
Ambidextrous.
Conceilable.
Too bad it looks and feels like a toy.
>>28086331
Have you ever actually held one?
>>28086331
>feels like a toy
Confirmed for not ever having held one
>ak47
Disregarded
>>28086287
The PDR, a 5.56 PDW weapon. Would love to know the stats and see if it's superior than the P90
>>28085934
> stopping power
Stopped reading, opinion discarded
>>28085934
>zombie apocalypse
Why would you need an AP PDW in a zombie apocalypse? P90 only makes sense if you need AP capabilities in your PDW. It's a bad choice for hunting zombie brainstems.
>>28085934
>stopping power
>zombie apocalypse
>military grade
>AK47
>Actually thinking a funswitch has merit at any but the closest ranges and most dire circumstances in a shtf situation
I remember when I was 15.
>>28086183
Talking about the .45, and as for why, because only SF/LE/CT would be in a situation where you could use a sub gun effectively, and none of those will ever be going up against anybody with anything more than a shirt for armor.
>>28085934
>Less velocity is GOOD for a .223 round
This is what noguns actually believe
>>28086084
Got mine for $900, definitely one of my favorite firearms. I've gotten all my shooting ammo for .30 cents a round.
My current go to HD gun
>>28086435
>would love to know the stats
The noguns in this thread is so strong it hurts.
>>28086435
Can't be superior if it never made it past trial stages.
>>28086896
Ok. Have you been able to stock up on AP rounds for it?
>>28086896
>'74 brake on a P90
Kek. Does it do much?
Also it's time to replace the lego brick rail.
>>28086084
Under 21 here, live on my own, planning on getting one soon. Would this be the ideal HD weapon or is there a better choice under 1g? Wanting to buy a pistol but can't and don't want a shotgun. Want something as compact as possible without buying a nigger-tier Uzi w/ stock or something.
>>28088630
Get an AR, home defense isn't about tactically clearing rooms. The old myth of someone grabbing the barrel as you turn a corner is just as bad as "pumping the shotgun will scare them away"
But, that said, the PS90 is super compact, lightweight, extremely high capacity, reliable, and practically recoilless
It is also an anemic round comparative to intermediate calibers.
If I were you, I'd hold off on it and get a basic bitch AR15.
>>28088672
Already have 2 I traded for on Craig's list. A Spike's lower w/ unknown upper and pre-ban bushmaster, unmodified. Just stick with the one I have by my bed? Live in ghetto part of Arkansas if that makes a difference..
>>28088749
I'd stick with that, yeah. An ar15 carbine is just about the ideal for HD.
Not that a PS90 wouldn't be fine for it as well, but it's a side-grade at best.
>>28086435
>personal defense weapon weapon
>>28088766
Any recommendations for next investment then? Gun show tomorrow and i got the cash to spend, just don't want to blow it on something that isn't really worth it's weight in gold
>>28086175
Yes, the 5.7 is meant to defeat military-grade body armor in a compact format. If you can't get the AP rounds 5.7 is pointless.
>>28088864
Given you're under 21, you've probably got a bunch of real world shit you should really be concentrating on rather than wasting money on guns you don't need.
Buuuuuuuuuuut that aside, if you've got cash to blow, get whatever you want mang. PS90 is a super cool gun regardless of what you use it for.
>>28085934
>AR rounds will slice clean through most opponents and as a result, actually are less likely to kill or stop an advancing enemy
Total and utter bullshit, you SMG faggots are stuck in the fuckin 90s'. Ammunition has advanced alot since then grandpa. Modern 556 defensive loads, especially fragmenting and expanding bullets, cause devastating wounds, even in 10 inch barrels. Dont even get me started on 300BLK, which can lob Barnes TSX pills that will still expand past 100 yards with a 6 inch barrel.
SMGs are fucking useless, there is a reason why SOF and elite LE units units use SBRs. The only reason PDWs are still somewhat relevant is high ROF, select fire controlability for highly specialized urban LE units.
>>28086717
>Actually thinking a funswitch has merit at any but the closest ranges and most dire circumstances in a shtf situation
When recoil gets past a certain point it does. The P90 and MP7 both are past this point as they only generate about 50% more recoil than .22 lr and have less than 1/3 the recoil of 5.56x45mm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjt62h56x-E
>>28089251
>Dont even get me started on 300BLK, which can lob Barnes TSX pills that will still expand past 100 yards with a 6 inch barrel
Still performs like pistol ammunition at close ranges. Of all the gel tests I've seen of .300 BLK from a short barrel I have yet to be anything other than disappointed.
>>28086896
Not to be the one-upper, but I got mine for $800 NiB with a box of FN 5.7x28 ammo and five magazines. It's amazing how cheap they were 12-18 months ago.
>tfw the cost of 5.7x28 has dropped to the point that it's almost as cheap as 9x19 to shoot
It's pretty damn awesome.
>>28087402
Not as much as I would like to have
>>28088514
Yeah I still intend on replacing it. It sits too high.
But the brake works great, but then again the ps90 barely has any rise or recoil without one.
Didn't have a p90 style brake yet and I had the 1/2x28 adapter and I had a 24mm adapter for a 1/2x28 so I decided to put a 74 brake on it for the keks
>>28089715
Got two mags with mine, considering retail they go for $1200, I think I did well at $900.
