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>>28067262
Oh, you mean the overpriced .22 magnum Europistol?
Yes. I like the PMR 30 too.
>>28067262
I would love a 9mm version
>>28067262
Availability of the ammo that lets it do well what it was made to do.
>>28067262
Large grips for people with smaller hands
>>28067262
>>28067262
if I buy one, I might be a cylon
>>28068674
I won't buy one without that portable grenade launcher.
Marisa is that you without your trip
>>28068661
/thread
goodbye
This gun basically puts a short range .223/556 in one hand. Not bad, if you can find one. Just get rid of the nublight.
>>28068661
/thread
>>28067262
Hey I have that same laser/light
>>28068661
/thread
light is too front heavy
>>28069167
for you.
>>28067262
Marisa?
>>28068661
/fuckingthread
If it wasn't so damn expensive for so little...
>>28068661
>>28068819
>>28068979
>>28069147
>>28069672
Somebody not on mobile cap that so that we don't have to go through all this again.
>>28069657
The flaw is I can get a ps90 or ar57 for cheaper
>>28070784
You can't conceal carry a ps90.
nothing at all, i love my five seven. the bullet has so much velocity; shooting long range is easy.
plus 20 rounds in a standard mag!
>>28070838
Hey Jamie Water
>>28067282
Will this meme ever die?
>>28070826
>>28067262
>ballistics on the round arent even that good
>5.7 is meme caliber
>over hyped 22 magnum with horrible over penetration
>>28070903
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
Can you imagine some k faggot, just waltzing around town.
"Oh HEY anon! Nice Racket case, I didnt know you played sports. You dont really look like the athletic type...."
>>28070896
When SS190 is available to the general public
>>28070903
That's pretty fucking nifty. I should take up tennis...
I suppose what I should have said was that you can't LEGALLY conceal carry a ps90. I have thought about it though. If I put a short barrel on mine and hooked it on a one point sling it could sit right under my arm and easily conceal beneath a normal jacket.
>>28067262
>ammunition<
Seriously what the actual fuck.
>>28070936
the pic was more for humor than anything else it could be a backpack instead
>>28070982
you can carry it legally depending on your state...
>>28067262
>ammo costs more than 9mm
>can't reload as easily as other handgun ammunition
>gun is expensive
>I don't own one
Fuck it, I'm gonna get one of those Sig P250s in .380, it will still be spamable as fuck and .380 is cheap for me since I reload. If I'm lucky .380 will feed as well out of the 9mm magazines for that as it does my other guns when I'm dicking around with snapcaps and I'll be able to get about 20 rounds with an extended base plate.
>>28070982
Well it depend son your state, also if youre carrying it for transportation youre fine.
Take the concept of carrying your gun in a case from your car to the gun range and multiply that by everywhere you go.
>>28070903
>>28070990
Isn't this exactly what the Koreans did in "Olympus Has Fallen?"
>>28071049
>>28071082
I live in Washington and they are actually pretty cool with guns, so I could probably take it almost anywhere without an issue. I have a five-seven though, so if I want to pack glorious Belgian 5.7x28 I can just carry that. And I do.
>>28071082
meh where I live people walk around the city and take the bus so they usually have a backpack for all their shit, a quick google search for concealed carry backpack brings up people carrying ars aks and scars in their backpacks, not saying its something i would do but there are people that do.
>>28071177
why though? do you even care about balistics at all? It just overpenetrates and dumps zero energy
>>28071212
The round is literally designed not to over penetrate and tumble on impact, as for dumping zero energy I dunno what your talking about, the fort hood shooter used a five seven with commercially available ammo and everyone he hit center of mass died and most of the ones he hit in extremity's were incapacitated.
>>28071212
>handgun ammunition stops people by dumping energy
>>28070903
>>28071212
I get that it doesn't impart the kind of energy that more common rounds do, but all the data, wound channels, gel blocks, penetration, etc boil down to one thing: the motherfucker just got shot. I've seen people get shot and I'm going to say that 90% of the time or more the reaction is the same; they either fall down, or run away. I have 20 rounds and I am effective from up to 100m (all though I'm not that accurate yet myself). If I stick somebody with 1 or 2 rounds they are either going down or tucking tail and either of those work for me.
Also, icing on top, blue tips can pierce some soft armor and 9mm/.45 cannot, so I have the edge if the dude has a vest.
>>28070951
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=528221764
>>28067262
Actually, what I feel makes this pistol so crappy is it's size, if it had the same weight and construction of most service guns I'd probably want one. I mean come on, low as fuck recoil and great penetration for soft targets, besides, P90s are also cool.
>>28071699
>if it had the same weight
You do know that one of its selling points is how light it is, don't you? When loaded it weighs the same as an unloaded Glock 17 and the Fiveseven plus a spare magazine weighs as the same as a loaded Glock 17. For military personnel carrying a ton of other shit, that's great.
>>28067262
Poor light choice
>>28071699
wut it's comparable in size to most service pistols and usually lighter...
The only thing I don't much like about my five seven is the rear sight aperture. That is a tiny gripe though since I can just cough up some shekels and get them replaced with something else.
>>28068661
What exactly is the problem here?
>>28067262
not a glock
>>28071905
0.5/10 for making me reply. 5.7 ammo is SHIT and ungodly expensive.
>>28071916
>5.7 ammo is SHIT
explain more? or link to someone who does?
>>28071916
I dunno anon, that seems like an opinion.
>>28071916
It isn't that expensive anymore. Now that FN doesn't have exclusive rights to the ammo anymore a box is like $25. Stop being poor.
>>28071916
0/10 camp David shooting proved its not shit and you can get ammo for the same price as 45acp and its not hard to find like people like to claim, my local sporting good store has about 5000 rounds or more sitting of the self of SS197SR and american eagle brand.
>>28067262
You can't legally get the AP rounds it was made to fire.
>>28071973
Cheaper ammo doesn't make up for the fact that it is, well, SHIT.
>>28072027
> can't legally
You can but them literally anywhere online.
It's just company policy
>>28067262
>>28072027
Not really a flaw, and you can get it legally if your law enforcement or military.
>>28067262
>same performance as .22 magnum
>much more expensive
I have to admit that the handgun itself is sexy, though.
>>28072079
you keep saying its shit, but facts say otherwise
>>28072087
newfags wont into this
>>28072117
Fuck off.
Not like the shitter has actually been gone that long.
Svet on the other hand...
>>28071916
>5.7 ammo is shit
Maybe the blue tips are, but the TMJ and JHP are no joke.
>ungodly expensive
$0.46 - $0.58 cpr on Midwayusa right now. That's comparable to Winchester whitebox 9mm ammo. Self defense ammo is even more cpr and has less rounds in a box.
You may now stop being retarded.
>>28072097
It is a flaw. You're shooting what is basically a .22 Magnum if you don't shoot the AP ammo.
>just join the police or military to get ammo for a 5.7!
>>28072083
I've seldom seen it and the prices I have seen are pretty fucking steep. The regular ammo is overpriced and scarce as fuck as is. The gun itself is expensive and the ammo is a serious issue. Have fun not actually using it much because you want to have at least some ammo to carry/use for self defense because the market ammo is expensive and relatively scarce.
>>28067262
Politics killed it because anti gun media fears armor piercing bullets
American police forces suck HNK's cock and even if their knock off version of the caliber sucks, they bought it anyway to have german engineering.
>>28067282
I'd rather have cops armed with these since their tactics favor mag dumping...20 rounds in a flush mag sounds like a nice thing to have if your LAPD, and if your NYPD, all your missed shots will do less harm to bystanders.
Better PR for LEO instead of having 40 S&W which was designed for barrier penetration which is something cops should avoid unless they want to pay out settlements.
>>28069672
Ammo costs just as much as .45acp
>>28067262
everything
trigger is shit
ergos are shit
lack of original good ammo availability
>>28067262
Its out performed by a .22 magnum
I don't understand why people say the ammo is scarce or expensive at all, my dad and I went to a gun show and bought 10 bricks for about the same as 9mm, shit was everywhere and everyone had tons of it
>>28071430
That's $3+ dollars per round though.
It is banned where I live becaue of evil armor penetrating bullets of evil.
It's not a P90.
>>28070826
Sure you can, depending on how free your state is.
>>28074113
round sucks, but this is technically and demonstrably untrue
>>28071948
b is just a bunch of faggots.
The truth is that the only thing the 5.7 is good for is penetration.
Outside of that its complete shit.
I mean yeah if you shoot a guy in armor youre going to have a better chance getting in him than with a 9mm full of hollow points, but whats the point for everyday carry?
>>28067262
>>28067437
bingo... if it weren't for the fact that I can't get proper ammo for it, I'd own it. It's not worth owning until proper ammo is available.
If I ever get the money I'm getting a Five-seveN.
Seems great for innawoods carry.
Only "flaws":
>hurr too much penetration
Flaw?
>hurr ammos too expensive
Not really...
>5.7 is shit
Where are the proofs?
>>28075355
getting attacked by terrorists in armour seems to be a thing these days
>>28077334
well Vatnik the 5.7 is shit because out of a pistol it's about as powerful as .22 mag out of a rifle. It puts tiny holes in things. It can do it 20 times, but there's more ptactical guns for any situation.
>>28077516
30-06 out of a pistol is weaker than hot .357 out of a rifle.
>>28073719
Soooo much baiiiiit.
>>28073725
Less on black friday.
>>28074113
No.
>>28067262
OP, THE ONLY FLAW IS THAT YOU ARE NOT DRINKING DIRTY ABLATIVE VODKA MARTINI.
It's basically just hipster 7.62x25
>>28077552
Holy shit dude have some fucking respect for yourself and throw out your keyboard.
>>28077572
Nothing wrong with the G910. The switches are pretty damn solid, and I dont fucking chew on my keys so they are not popping off.
I mean, I also have my IBM M, but it does get loud.
>>28072225
>That's comparable to Winchester whitebox 9mm ammo.
I sincerely hope you aren't paying more than $.25 a round for WWB. $.50+ is the typical price for quality JHP in 9mm
>>28077516
>tiny holes
>hydrostatic shock doesn't exist
>>28073054
>i pay the fudd at my LGS assraping prices because I do not buy ammo on the internet
Is pretty much what i got from your post.
>>28077552
>OP, THE ONLY FLAW IS THAT YOU ARE NOT DRINKING DIRTY ABLATIVE VODKA MARTINI.
>VODKA MARTINI
That's not a martini, fuckface. Use Gin.
>>28067262
Not a 1911
>>28077539
>>28077621
I'm well aware, buy what you like. 9mm, .357, and .45 cover more than all my handgun needs
>>28077623
Gin is gross. What the fuck are you, British?
Ugh. No.
It's not an AK
![secret-gin-club-bombay-sapphire-review-11[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Epd2FHj.jpg "secret-gin-club-bombay-sapphire-review-11[1].jpg")
>>28077973
You are missing out on one of the greatest liquors ever created.
>>28078013
Gin tastes like minty shit mixed with air freshener.
>>28077973
Gin is vodka with delicious herbal flavoring. It is not a martini without. And while I have an intense aversion to olive flavoring my judgement, twist of lemon is the superior garnish.
>>28078101
Pleb taste detected.
>>28078013
From what I understand colored people and the elderly drink gin
![349937_1-min[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qGnvtIK.jpg "349937_1-min[1].jpg")
this was my drink, then i got sick on it 2 or 3 times and now i can't smell gin without feeling nauseous anymore
now i drink brandy/cognac
>>28078187
You should check this whiskey out.
>>28067262
It works
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting
>>28078316
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting
>214 Rounds fired
>46 people hit
>Only 13 died
Not really making your case there.
>>28068661
/thread
cd D:\fucking.rekt
>>28078145
>Taking your drinks like a faggot
Get your manhood taken from you around these parts, single barrel bourbon and scotch are the two most acceptable liquors. Vodka is passable depending how you take it.
"Classy" drinks is code word for fag juice.
>>28078808
>Hey Cletus look at this here durn faggot for liking anything that cain't be used to strip paint offa dem dere walls!
>>28067262
can not make cooffeee
>>28078880
>Single barrel bourbon
Nigger gin is much more comparable to paint stripper. You still take your drinks some a metro faggot. By all means enjoy your liquid fedora.
>>28079062
Well, excuse me for not being a bottom-feeder.
>>28074359
get a job
>>28079112
>Tips fedora
Faggot.
>>28067262
ugly
roughly the same ballistics as a .380
proprietary over priced cartridge
>>28079399
>Fucks sister
Hillbilly.
>>28077594
He was probably talking about the rave that apears to be going on underneath the keys. Switches are fine and all, but having an obnoxious glowstick on your desk screams underageb&
>>28080452
A backlit keyboard is... underage? Whaaaaat? Have you not bought a new laptop in like the past 4 years?
>>28081894
There's a difference between simple backlighting and ostentatious gaymer rice
>having to look at your keys
>not being touch typing master race
I bet you visually confirm whether your safety's off as well
>>28082536
>Jelly: the post
It's only good with AP. That's the whole purpose of the 5.7x28; it was designed as an AP round. Assuming you can obtain sufficient quantities of this expensive, scarce, and questionably legal ammunition, it's still only good for penetrating body armor at relatively short ranges.
>>28083056
Ultimately even then it's best out of the 10" or longer P90 barrel, the entire point of the Five seveN was so militaries could just standardize on one round for pistol/smg use like with the 9mm.
My one and only handgun. Admittedly, I'm not trained and would likely do quite poorly in a real gunfight. But, If I ever had to actually use it, I could at least keep shooting for a long time.
Pros: Super fucking light weight. 20rd mag standard, 30rd mag available. Really loud. Blasts fireballs. AP capable.
Cons: Expensive. Ammo is expensive. Not exactly practical.
It's like a Ferrari. Sure a fucking ford focus can do the same shit, but Ferrari are still undeniably cool.
>>28083328
Also, I can assemble and disassemble it behind my back, IN SECONDS. Do that with your 1911.
>>28083355
Eh, I might need a wrench to take it apart but .45 is a known, reliable round.
>>28083419
Sure 45 can kill. So can 22lr. So can 5.7.
>>28067262
That's not a VP9.
>>28083495
"Can" and "Does more reliably" are not the same thing.
>>28082536
I never learned home row. Learned touch typing through Steam chat, and my right hand is on the mouse by default, so I have to orient myself before I start. My room's also dark as fuck most of the time, and I can't always remember symbol keys.
Though at least mine doesn't have a massive wrist pad.
>>28083596
Dude, you don't have to justify the great mechanical keys, extreme durability, and heavy weight that makes it so it doesn't move unless you want it to to the twatwaffle anons on here.
>>28083627
>tfw actually just cheapo backlit membrane keyboard
I spill tea all over my keyboard way too often for a mechanical 'board
>>28083553
Protip: in an "ideal" situation that doesn't involve you shooting someone in the brain or severing their spine, you can expect a determined person to keep being able to fight for about 20 seconds after you doing enough damage to kill them. Humans just don't bleed out that fast.
>>28083691
And 9mm/.40/.45 JHP are long tested to have optimum effect on target, 5.7 is OK, if you consider .22mag decent.
>>28083733
You aren't going to notice a difference. An attacker who isn't determined is going to stop from fear of getting shot alone and there's no evidence of caliber having any effect on that, and if you're up against a determined attacker then nothing short of shooting them in the head or spine will stop them before they're on top of you. As long as a handgun caliber can penetrate deep enough, whatever allows for the most followup shots the fastest and can be used in a reliable gun is the best option.
>>28067262
>Design a light, low recoil handgun with rather high 20 round capacity, and even higher with thirty round magazines.
>No full auto variant to take advantage of a bunch of features that would make it one of the best machine pistols ever made.
>>28071699
What makes the pistol so crappy is that it has zero competition and it isn't just a slightly modified FNX/S. Better trigger and a different slide setup would probaby help a lot since it isn't super attractive for most people and it doesn't exactly scream practically.
I still want one. Partly because I want a chopped PS90 with a Stargate logo on it somewhere and partly because rabbits.
>>28078759
I love when people use the expenditure vs body count as evidence, completely disregarding everything else.
Doesn't make a very good case for small arms, or artillery, or carpet bombing or anything but a headsman's axe honestly.
Therefore all "military" cartridges ever are shit
