What are some upcoming things you're looking forward to?
I'm really excited to see how the HMG Sturmgewehr turns out next year. Thinking of getting a .300blk one, but having a .223 one would be cool too. And a .50 beowulf if that ever becomes a thing.
Also looking forward to the DesertTech MDR, the 7.62 one will be nice to have.
>>28052900
How far are they going to fuck with the original design to accommodate those calibers?
>>28052900
how do you remove the gaskey on that thing? with the foresight being so close to it?
nice dubs
>>28052900
what's up with the uber short barrel?
>>28052927
stanag magwell or something
moved the recoil spring
and fatter and heavier receiver and trunnion
>>28052937
It's the SBR version.
>>28052937
Looks okay to me...I think.
>>28052958
whew...thank god
Yeah that short barrels kinda funny lookin to me not gonna lie putting a beowolf on it seems not to smart the recoil would be a bitch
>>28053044
The short barrel is just an SBR model, I'd get one and put a folding stock and supressor on it.
If I were to get a beowulf one it'd be the full length model.
>>28052900
I dont think i would ever get one in anything but 8 kurz since i have butt tons of ARs and AKs that most likely can out perform HMG's Sturmgewehrs. I would have one just for the "history" of it you know? All the same its about damn time someone produced a repro in several common calibers
>>28053313
There are counts of militaries doing weapons familiarity courses and soldiers really liking the Sturmgewehr, and wanting to use it over their service rifle.
It's generally agreed among the few who have shot an STG that it's definetly more controllable and nicer to shoot than an AK.
New production Browning Auto-5 12 guage
>>28053460
Who's making that?
>>28053475
Browning, it's called the A5 now. I'm not sure if it's in production yet but I hAvent heard about it in a few weeks
>>28052900
I'm glad all the versions are pretty different from the original. Keeps the mystique.
>>28053561
I thought that came out and it was a disappointment, a completely different mechanism merely cosmetically indentical to the Auto 5.
>>28053584
Oh really? I bet it's overpriced too. Too bad I really like the humpback design
>>28052900
They should make it in 50 inch caliber and give it to gundams.
What is the magazine capacities of the various calibers?
Is the authentic looking magazine merely a shell that fits over a STANAG mag or something cheesy like that?
I am concerned there are no production photos.
>>28052927
The 8mm kurz will have the original mags and magwell.
the .300blk will either get a proprietary mag resembling the original or AR mags (which I doubt but who knows)
The gas piston is actually more similar to the MKb-42 in that it's threaded and can be removed from the carrier by hand.
As for caliber swaps I imagine it would be an entire upper swap.
I'd personally be more excited for a sub 2k FG-42.
the 8mm kurz STG-44's weighed 11lbs fully loaded and I don't see a repro or a 7.32x39 being much lighter.
>>28052958
That looks like it's going to show up in a movie sometime with a different paint job...
>>28055063
Most likely:
8mm Kurz: 30 in original mags and repro's
7.62x39: 30 round AKM mags
.300blk: either a proprietary mag closely resembling 8mm kurz ones or AR mags or both (and whatever cap a AR mag would have).
Remember .300blk is ballistically VERY close to 8mm kurz
.223: 30 round STANAG
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>>28052900
MFW I pre ordered the 7.62 X 39 version at 9:00 AM this morning
How difficult is it to find 8mm kurz ammo?
>>28055201
No, all calibers use STANAGS. It's a single receiver and magwell, only the bolt and barrel change.
$1800?!
That's about $800 more than I'd be willing to pay for it. Guess I'll just have to get the .22lr version...
>>28055509
Have fun with your dressed up 10-22 while the big boys play with their actual Sturmgewehrs.
Wildey pistols are coming back in 2016.
Engraved .44, .45win, and .475 pin gun interchangeable barrels. Whoo-hoo
is this new remake of the stg44 just a curio gun or is it actually well-built and rugged?
>>28055562
Both, pretty much. Look up Ian's videos on InRange about them.
>>28055538
>no 50 AE
>>28055538
I want one in .357.
>>28055562
It's a well built and rugged remake of the STG-44.
Except it's more like a mix of the STG-44 and the Mkb 42. The company describes it as a direct descendant of the original Sturmgewehrs in a way, from the same "genetics" but made with modern materials and manufacturing methods to make a gun that looks and feels like the real thing, but still be something you want to shoot instead of a safe queen.
>>28055509
why is it that the whole of the gun owner community is always chocking full of retards?
every project related to building replicas of beautiful historical guns always has the same kind of problem:
>HURR DURR I SURE WISH SOMEONE WOULD MAKE XXX GUN AGAIN SO I CAN HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO STIMULATE MY PROSTATE WITH OTHER THAN MY SHITTY WASR-10
>someone actually takes the time and effort to make a quality copy of something you can't get unless you fork out huge amounts of cash
>the whole R&D, factory process and marketing is actually costly and this has an impact over the final MSRP
>the thing actually reaches the market and it's perfect and beautiful and still cheaper than the unobtainable originals
>HURR DURR ILL JUST STICK TO MY MOSIN THEN
it's fucking depressing
>>28055509
get a job faggot.
>>28055693
Especially since this is a very reasonable price for this. It's a bit more than a high end AR, and significantly less than a SCAR.
It's not like they're asking $5,000 for an FG-42 clone or anything.
>>28055174
>>28055201
>The 8mm kurz will have the original mags and magwell.
>8mm Kurz: 30 in original mags and repro's 7.62x39: 30 round AKM mags
All the models will have STANAG magwells, they are going to be making a STANAG mag that looks exactly like the original mags for 8mm Kurz the 7.62x39 version will use the x39 STANAG mags
>B.A.R. Repos
>FG-42 Repos
>Now STG Repos
>MP-40 Repos
Pedersen Repos in 30-06 when?
>>28055693
>>28055726
I'm actually surprised at how cheap it is. I mean, a refurbed (Gibbs or James River) 1903 costs about as much where I live, and the JRA M14 costs more. I thought it'd start out at least at 2500 or so.
>>28055693
Yea, you're right, it's just hard for me, personally, to pay $800 more than what I paid for a SLR107. That's all I was saying.
I didn't say I wasn't glad they're making it. It's good they're making it, they can ask however much they want for it and that's fine, they're building it, and I hope one day the price will come down.
>>28055873
Unless a major military adopts it, or it becomes the next big thing in modern sporting rifles, the price will rise- if for no other reason than inflation.
>>28055789
better yet
>WW2 Repo WHEN?!?!
>>28055928
N O W
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>>28055789
Is the BAR and MP-40 repro actually affordable product? I say the FG 42 doesn't count because it's five thousand goddamn dollars.
>>28056007
BAR is $4200 from Ohio Ordinance Works, so not much better.
>>28056071
>$4300
They raised their price
>>28055928
Sorry, you'll have to wait until the Russo-Turkish war repro, and possibly the WW1 repro get finished up. They're in the beta test phase.
>>28056100
>after bashing the turks with the silent complicity of NATO (face it, we hate the sneaky fucks) Putin-sama becomes a god emperor of the slavs
>economy still goes to shit because of vodka and slavs being slavs, breeding a new for of communism, just drunker and with more tracksuits
>Merkel's ordnung policy clashes against vodka fueled cheekibreekibloc
>the holy caliphate of great britain feels threathened and calls for american intervention yet again
>Argentina still refugees anyone willing to kill a minority
a man can only dream....
>>28055789
>MP-40 Repos
Where?
>>28056269
ATI said they were gunns start brining importing 9mm models at shot show
>>28055789
>Pedersen Repos in 30-06 when?
That's actually not the "worst" of ideas, particularly for ban states. I mean, part of the problem (aside from the fucktarded takedown, from what I'm told) was the reciprocating barrel made bayonet attachment an ass since it fucked with the recoil system.
So if it was made as a "sporter" gun that just happened to have a full military stock with its rotary mag and no "assault" features, it would be a nice fun thing to shoot.
>>28056297
I think you are confusing the Pedersen with the Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR3Jz_bcai8
>>28056296
When can we expect them? Between the surplus 1911s and STGs my bank account can't handle it.
>>28056382
>>28056382
I think they said Mid-2016? Dont take my work for that though, But I know they are coming.
>tfw no Sten repos
>tfw no Sterling repos
>tfw no M/45 repos
At least we have Thompsons and MP40s
GSG MP40 in 9mm ~700.oo or less according to the ATI Facebook rep...
>>28056445
They made Sterlings for a while, you should be able to find a used one. Why nobody mass produced Stens and PPSHs from parts kits is beyond me.
>>28052900
They're making a Tactical one too
>>28057206
I have to admit, that looks retro-future as fuck, would buy.
>>28056578
I'm still not sure I could bring myself to buy one, mostly because I can't promise I wouldn't bubba it into an E-11.
>>28056446
I heard MSRP at $550
Which, if correct would be a fucking Dream come true
>>28056071
Which I think is bull shit.
$2,200, yeah, 3k TOPS
>>28057264
yes sour grapes over here I hate student loans.
>>28057206
i am strangely OK with this.
also, haven't watched the videos yet, does this thing a completely new trigger mech, is it derived from the original STG, is it an existing design adapted to it?
>>28056578
>Why nobody mass produced Stens and PPSHs from parts kits is beyond me.
You'd have to make them operate from a closed bolt first, and that would probably drive up the cost.
>>28057206
That looks kind of cool, but I feel like a SCAR/ACR/PAR stock would work better.
>>28055754
>the 7.62x39 version will use the x39 STANAG mags
Can't I just use the repro mags and download them? The x39 STANAGS are ugly as sin.
>>28057281
>also, haven't watched the videos yet, does this thing a completely new trigger mech, is it derived from the original STG, is it an existing design adapted to it?
They use HK trigger packs.
>>28057287
Possibly. I'm not sure if they'll feed well though.
>>28057206
>M4 carbine stock
WHY
needs this
>>28057281
It accepts any Drop in HK Trigger pack, bar full auto sears
>>28057206
Star Wars as fuck
>>28056337
Shit, I did. Thanks for catching me.
Though I would like a Johnson repro.
It shouldn't be much worse than the FN FNAR for takedown, and at least has a larger mag to begin with.
>>28057206
I can't stand that stock, hows? this?
>>28057313
this worries me.
>>28057304
haha stocks on everything!
>>28057304
It's the cheapest option. IIRC, the ACR stock is like $300 on its own, Sig doesn't sell its folding MCX stock AFAIK, the Zhukov/AK stocks require an AK trunion, and any aftermarket stocks are probably going to be expensive and won't exist if this rifle doesn't sell too well.
>>28057206
>that buffer tube linkage
Is it so goddamn hard to just make a butt that's ACE-compatible so you can fucking have a collapsible buffer tube that's ALSO foldable?
I also don't understand that about the SCAR.
All you need is a block with some holes in it. Why is that so hard?
Do people hate the ACE system now (I know their CS is utter dogshit) for some mechanical reason?
>>28057354
this is better
>>28057206
>not using an H&K style collapsible stock
What the fuck are they doing?
>>28057303
I am only interested in the x39 version but I love the classic look. I wonder if I will be able to request the authentic looking mags with the x39.
>>28056007
>at a gunshop inna Montana
>guy selling an original BAR for $900
Yeah no thanks on that $4300 semi-auto pos
>>28057380
I like the neo-retro minimalism, but can you humor me and lemme see how it would look with a Magpul PRS and ACS stock?
>>28057383
This.
>>28057372
>Do people hate the ACE system now (I know their CS is utter dogshit) for some mechanical reason?
Well, Master Piece Arms used that style of stock on the MPAR-556 and it started coming loose... which was par for the course with that rifle.
>>28057383
MP5 stocks are uncomfortable? They seem better suited for the SBRs though.
>>28057392
>I am only interested in the x39 version but I love the classic look. I wonder if I will be able to request the authentic looking mags with the x39.
You should be able too. I think all they change is the follower/spring.
>>28057383
I think they're shying away purposefully from the fact that after the initial cool factor, people that would have bought them would just say they're uncomfortable and just hock them or badmouth them on line (thus hurting sales and diverting production to make them to begin with as a separate stock option).
So they'll just let somebody else do it.
imagine the cali legal thumbhole stock and mag and all that edition
>>28057372
There is no buffer tube, the spring ends in the end cap of the receiver.
The tube is only in that picture because it's using an AR-15 stock, like putting an AR stock on an AK, you know what I mean?
>>28057412
>MPAR-556
I had never in my life seen a 5.56 rifle that was so big and blocky that it looked like it should have been spitting out 00 buck.
>>28057412
>which was par for the course with that rifle.
MPA is just disappointment all around. I mean, they fucked up badly with the MPAR, even if it was based on a flawed Aussie copy of the AR-18 (I believe? I may be mixing things up).
>>28057429
>like putting an AR stock on an AK, you know what I mean?
That's exactly what I mean. Read my post again and think about it for a moment.
ACE has a folding stock hinge that takes AR stocks via a screwed-in buffer tube like normal. It has one end for the buffer tube, one end to be mated to essentially a metal block with holes in it.
I was suggesting that the STG makers just save time and have their stock block (for their AR-stocked design) just be ACE-compatible so end-users can take advantage of ACE stock blocks as desired.
>>28057383
Amillionhours
>>28057358
How so?
>>28057412
>>28057422
Are they bad stocks? I've never used one.
What about an MP40 styled underfolder?
>>28057473
That looks so disproportionately disappointing. It's like seeing Zyzz naked, only to discover he has a tiny micropenis (though, considering the roid use, it's probably not too far from reality).
>>28057285
>You'd have to make them operate from a closed bolt first, and that would probably drive up the cost.
Then why have companies built Suomis and PPS? If those sold well then so would Stems and PPSHs.
>>28057480
>Are they bad stocks? I've never used one.
Me neither, but I'm told that for anything larger than the 9mm MP5, they suck ass because you already don't get a good cheek weld on them (they do seem low compared to the straight traditional stocks), and then you have larger calibers transferring either:
1. more recoil because you can't get a stable cheek weld OR
2. recoil directly into your face bones because your cheek weld sucks and the stock just transfers it straight into there
>>28057281
>>28057303
>>28057313
>>28057358
Keep in mind that the standard H&K trigger pack, is very similar to the Mkb-42's trigger assembly.
A lot of the elements of the STG-44 and Mkb-42 are incorporated into the HMG Sturmgewehr, and a lot of the elements of both guns are also used in modern H&K rifles too.
>>28057480
>What about an MP40 styled underfolder?
I'm pretty sure those suffer the exact same problem of uncomfortability.
The real MP40 however had a very, very nifty hydraulic buffer system, which made it somewhat of a delayed-blowback gun (which tames recoil out of the tiny 9mm Parabellum, along with the weight of the SMG itself along with the stock adding a bracing point of control) and subsequently more comfortable to shoot.
The Stg clone is going to be in big-boy rounds, not pistol rounds.
>>28055486
>>28055754
After hearing that the 8mm Kurtz version won't accept a traditional magazine I am somewhat let down, I guess well have to wait for a proper german clone to be imported along side the Mp40 clones.
>>28057285
I'd pay a grand for a ppsh there's got to be a market considering that alone
rotated so people mspaint casuals can mess with it
>>28057545
The Traditional Magazines were shit, or they would have used them.
>>28057545
Why? Do you have a stash of original STG mags?
>>28057399
prs
>>28057549
We had converted PPSHs a number of years back. They looked utterly retarded with their NFA-safe barrels and shrouds, and they didn't sell well.
>>28057565
>The Shit
FTFY
Im not buying this as my defensive carbine, Im buying it to have a clone of my favorite gun from WW2 dammit
>>28057589
>>28057467
Oh, I didn't know about the ACE thing. Couldn't you just get one of these?
>>28057590
They should have kept the original size shroud and had the barrel poke out the end.
>>28057589
>>28057606
Cool, thanks.
I'm surprised that neither really work for this gun as the minimalistic hook stock.
>>28057618
>Not maximizing sight radius
>>28057590
Looks like it'd be a good skeet shooter
>>28052900
Every Nigrog here needs to watch these videos.
>https://www.full30.com/video/e6d39490c7cbaf8a20a80fcdbc9f1c86
>https://www.full30.com/video/ecb89fd5ddcf0d57eaa6031dbf3edb6b
>https://www.full30.com/video/e9819afd7d651b70a96016a58a8e17ea
>https://www.full30.com/video/7d1b89550ae217bdc9b1f13dddb0ee13
>>28057610
Economy issues. The Law folding adapter only mates to AR-buffer tube threads to begin with, and for like $300+ dollars.
The ACE standard (despite how shitty the company is at relations and management) is very simple and has many, many, many options for mounting solutions for far cheaper (and arguably more reliable, since part of the point is that the Law adapter needs to have a hole in the center just so the extended BCG can still contact the recoil buffer and spring).
>>28055754
The curve angle on STANAG 7.62x39 magazines is an abomination. Stoner protect us.
>>28057590
Huh. That's too bad. I think they look cool.
>>28057545
2 STG clones hitting the market at the same time
What the Hell?
>>28057545
Why in the fuck would they use the original mags? Extras are 300+ if you can find them. At least appreciate the fact that they are making their mags look like the originals
>>28057682
The 20 rounders dont look half bad
>>28057673
This better be a porno.
>>28057565
>>28057545
>>28055754
How long is an STG-44 magazine anyway?
They only held 30 rounds, but they seemed pretty damn big, like they look like the size of a 40 round AR-15 mag or larger.
Like wouldn't a modern one be able to hold more rounds while being cosmetically identical to the old ones (other than the thickness as to fit in a STANAG magwell)
>>28057600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSz6dl94t1I
21:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e26eeLHwo0
24:10
It was for Reliability Reasons. But hey, if you want to pay 8k for one of the ones from several years ago that is a replica almost rivet for rivet that jams up every other shot be my guest
>>28057724
What I'm thinking is that it may still hold 30 rounds of x39 since it's not curved but it is long.
>>28052900
>the year is 2018
>tens of thousands of repro STGs now on the market
>"why don't we put the STG in the rifle trials for the US military?"
>2019
>testing goes well
>2020
>rifle is accepted as the new main service rifles for all armed forces
>shorter versions given to vehicle crews and corpsmen
Fourth Reich when?
>>28052972
The fuck is that in the ejection port?
>>28057774
looks like camera had too long a shutter speed.
>>28057761
But what about 8kurz, .300blk or .223?
Can you put 7.62x39 in a regular AR mag, like if you had to, or do you need a specifically designed one?
>>28057729
If your talking about the PTR44 then Id wager that build quality had more to do with the reliability issues than inherent design, you don't see the same problems the PTR clone has with the NFA WW2 examples
>>28057789
Yeah I think it's a round being loaded into the chamber but blurred because of how fast it's going.
>>28057768
ITS HAPPENING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l4OEJ38aLY
>>28057673
Sauce?
>>28057811
pretty sure you need at least a different follower, not sure if the feed lips are the same, but they still run like shit and get all jammed up.
for optimal function you need those wonky super curved mags that c-products and ASC make.
>>28057812
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/22/new-mp-44-sturmgewehr-rifles-coming-us/
Is this what you want? So you really want to pay $5000 for a little more historical accuracy?
>>28053460
>>28053475
>>28053561
>>28053685
>tfw just got a never been fired 1971 FN made Auto-5 lightweight twenty gauge magnum in box.
>>28054071
>>28055244
>7.62 X 39 version at 9:00 AM this morning
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>>28057933
>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/22/new-mp-44-sturmgewehr-rifles-coming-us/
its exactly what I want, how'd you know, it's petter than paying the same amount for one of those shit show
>>28057559
Thoughts?
>>28058076
..ptr replicas.
>>28058076
I remembered reading that article at the beginning of the year. Imagine 2 stg44s coming onto the market at once.
i can't wait to see them in person at shot show
>>28052958
>>28052972
>>28053086
>>28055873
So that Bender antenna looking thing is supposed to be the stacking swivel right? But how the hell is that supposed to work?
Aren't stacking swivels like "c" shaped so they can loop together.
>>28057206
wow this is sexy as fuck.. only thing i would change is the buttstock
>>28055453
not hard to find, but its expnsive
>>28058282
nah m8 it's the antenna for receiving super secret Nazi orders from Hitler's bunker
>>28058175
Im glad its happening like this, think about it, theres either gonna a price drop on the german import or a revised version of this model thats more akin to the original.
capitalism is a beautiful thing.
>>28057768
>US Military
>fourth reich when
If by fourth reich you mean a completely cuked state of "I pledge allegiance to Israel" zombies who send their own people to fight wars which are of no interest to anyone other then foreign countries because they were told its for "freedom and democracy" whilst home is being turned into full "progressive" 1984 then yeah sure...
If the Nazis won the war and allowed Americans to keep the 2nd Amendment, would the STG reached AR status? Tacticool and modular as fuck?
>>28057666
>keeping the extra length
>on a repro of a 7.62x25 subgun
>>28058613
What an exciting time to be a gun enthusiast. I can't wait to see how this is going to play out.
>>28059751
id rather have had a chance to score a shitload of autosears and lightning links and stuff like that before the mg ban sucks being 20
>>28059778
I'm 18, I understand. We're turning this country around though, gun owners are more powerful than ever.
>>28057449
>even if it was based on a flawed Aussie copy of the AR-18 (I believe? I may be mixing things up).
IIRC, the only flaw of the Leader T2 was the C/E-clips falling out after prolonged use.
>>28057480
I know they're going to have some form of underfolder, but that's about it.
>>28058084
I would buy that handguard in a heart beat. I don't want to burn my hand if I ever decide to do a mag dump.
>>28058282
The swivel goes through a D ring on the other side, the antenna is the gas port adjustment screw whatever you want to call it
>>28061242
It's a UMP-45 foregrip.
I hope they have at least one non-metal handguard.
>>28057549
When I start my new job I could build you one
I am looking forward to the MDR in 556. I already have a scar17s and would like something 5.56 that's a bit different.
>>28061985
I think I'm gonna get a .308 MDR.
That echo model looks cool.
I might get a Keltec RDB for a new 5.56.
