I saved this ages ago and saved in a "why revolvers are awesome" text file. I'm no guns and don't really know that much, so I was wondering if you /k/ommandos had any thoughts on it:
Revolvers have a lot going for them in the medium caliber configuration, more so than in the big caliber one, I think. The old military and police with the skinny barrel was actually lighter than a glock (consider ammunition weight), very reliable, intrinsically more accurate than almost any auto (the Swiss sig p210, not the 220, can keep the track), cheap and would point like your finger, the grip profile can be adjusted by just replacing stocks to fit your hand like a glove. For my home defense I opted for the 686, because it was the only factory model with an affordable price and an improved double action trigger. Money not being a problem, I'd buy a French Manhurin MR73 today. There are other interesting European designs like the German Korth, the Italo German Sauer by Armi San Paolo (projected in Germany and produced in Italy, an adaptation of the classic M&P design with selected barrels, I've seen scary test clusters from these), the Mateba. Affordable yet effective sixguns were and in some case still are produced by Astra, LLama, CZ (the Grand Model).
Lets face it, the 38 caliber revolver has won more gun battles against criminals than any other weapon, it possesses some shortcomings as anything. Those shortcomings were due to the use of ineffective loads (round nose 158 grains police and 130 grains air force). The gun industry lives by selling new guns, so the 38 that refused to go out of service had to be killed (police departments wouldn't give away serviceable guns to purchase new ones of the same model made with inferior production standards, they would, however, trade obsolescent, outmoded that is, guns for innovative, not field tested, designs).
The NYPD's first issue weapon was the colt hand ejector in 32, chosen by the supervisor Theodor Roosvelt, then they went to 38 colt new service, than to Smith's 38 which they retained till the nineties. The NYPD had to allow agents to retain their service revolvers, if they so wished, because veterans refused to trade their beloved Smiths for a plastic pistol, in front of an astonished supervisors committee. The 38 revolvers produced from the 60's to the 80's could remain in service up to 2010 and immobilize police pistol market... The moment they were sold out, gunwriters rushed to buy them, nuff said...
Colonel Rex Applegate trained the operatives to send behind the Axis line in WWII, had access to 45 and 9mm autos of all sorts (Colt, Browning captured Walthers), his choice for OSS operatives? 38 Military and Police with 4" barrel.
Charles Askins was a major of the US Marine corp with experience in the Sicily, Italy and Europe expeditions, a top notch international shooter and an officer of the US Border Patrol with many gunfights on his record. He knew so much about guns that he wrote, in 1953, that the US Military would have moved to a double action 9mm (a solution he did not disagree with, for military applications). His choice of weapon? 38 and 45 revolvers with 4" barrel.
Jim Cirillo, veteran of the NYPD stakeout unit and later instructor in the FBI accomplished all his feats with a 38 M&P, today his becoming interested in DAO autos, but I believe his choice of weapon is still a 4" 44 magnum revolver.
Raimond Sasia, chief instructor of the French Gendarmerie and creator of the Sasia method (see "Le Tir Rapidè") in the 70' could choose among all sorts of automatics, his choice? The 3" inches 38/357 revolver.
In the 60' a specialized unit was created to fight in Vietnam tunnels, the unit was proposed the 45 auto, but choice of weapon was up to the members, who opted for 38 revolvers for the most part. These simply worked better when you had to fight in tight quarters in the dark.
When WWI broke out, the army with the most extensive fighting experience in the recent years was the British one, followed by the French.
Italy, Austria, Germany, Turkey, USA (partly) issued automatics of new (then kinds), England officers carried .455 Webleys, French Officers 8mm Lebels.
The old Webley was a sought after weapon in WWII as well, ask to veterans, I've done it.
Jeff Cooper, who is best known for promoting the 1911 A1 in 45, has always held that the average officer and shooter with non highly specialized training is better served by a revolver of 44-45 caliber and that such weapon is immensely superior to any 9mm auto.
He does not talk much about his own experience, but we know he has taken out a Japanese machinegunner, a Japanesse rifleman and a SMG armed red in Thailand at separate times with one shot each from a pistol. The latter two were taken with the 1911, the first with the old colt SAA.
The only two automatic fans of the old school I'm aware of were W. E. Fairbarn and Winston Churchill (who used a German Mauser with dum dum bullets in Omdurman).
Chick Gaylord, holster designer and father of modern concealed weapon fast draw, with experience as Secret Services operative, was a revolverman from day Alpha to day Omega.
One last paladin we can mention is Bill Jordan with top notch combat credentials in both the Marines and the border patrol, he would hold the superiority of the revolver over the auto any time.
An Italian policeman I know, who was responsible for politicians escort during the years of red terrorism, ones had a malfunction with his service auto and carried a colt detective special for all the rest of his career.
An English officer of the military police who was later assigned in Kenya during the Mau Mau affair, I can't tell his name for obvious reasons, was confronted in the middle East by three armed "allied" officers he was pursuing for crimes of war. They were their to eliminate him, no less, he drew his service revolver and sent them to the other side. This guy has been a Bisley competitor for a long time and knew much about guns.
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> tl;dr a revolver in .38 is apparently one of the best guns for concealed carry
please respond, pretend it's a series of shitposting and epic memes that you guys love so much
>>28046254
Anecdotal evidence from (admittedly very experienced) guys who retired well before massive advancements in ballistics and manufacturing technology, appeals based on incredibly specific scenarios, and trust in the NYPD. I'm not sold.
Outside of specific situations, training matters so much more than the gun. Even then I'll still take an auto. Failure rates are comparable at worst, and I'll take the extra capacity any day of the week, especially for an inexperienced shooter.
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>>28046285
To much to read, so I'll just agree with you.
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>>28046254
is this the
>post a motherfucking novel
thread?
>>28046254
Of course the Fedora is an outdated design. It came from an era when headwear was designed to be tipped, not to avoid gentlemanly conversation lawsuits. It came from an era where it was the norm to learn how your m’ladys operated and to practice being a gentleman until it became second nature, not to design the headwear to the lowest common denominator. It came from an era in which our country tried to supply its gentlemen with the best garments possible, unlike today, when our non-euphoric men and women are issued headware that was adopted because of international deal-making or the fact that the factory is in some well-connected God believers district. Yes, beyond any shadow of a doubt, the Fedora IS an outdated design… and that’s exactly why I tip it.
Revolvers are a simpler design and are much less likely to jam or malfunction.
They are also always ready to go, you never have to chamber them. The worst you'll have is a long trigger pull.
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Ammo capacity is lower, reloading is more difficult, and speed loaders take up more room than a magazine.
>>28046955
that copypizza was about 1911s tho
>>28046931
No, this: >>28047060 is the "post a mother fucking novel thread"
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>>28047520
So is this porn? I'm gonna totally need a source if that is porn in any way
>>28050256
modifuckers
>>28046254
>I'm no guns and don't really know that much
/thread
Better question: Where can I get the original template for that meme so I can make my own?
>>28047169
This is so fucking bullshit it's not even funny.
Double action revolvers have an extensive clockwork mechanism that if it should wear itself out of time or if some fuckup disassembles it now knowing what they are doing then it pretty much worthless til you send it back to the factory/qualified gunsmith.
>hurr muh revolvers never jam
bullshit, I've seen it happen.
>>28046254
I don't owning gun but I usually go shooting range because I live in noguns country. I shot both type. I noticed revolvers are more accurate. I'm not sure about why revolvers are more accurate.
