Why is Bongland so afraid of weaponry?
This makes me realy mad i feel bad for the guy
>>28038271
This makes me want to cry
inb4 THAT video
>>28038271
indoctrination through movies, govt, school.
Its happening to us but at a slower rate because not as urban, hunting, rural areas, 2nd amendment.
>>28038271
Decades of pussification via Marxism and feminism.
>>28038271
Because Britain is a multicultural nanny state
>>28038271
As if that collect of live shells wouldn't have the same fate in burgerland.
>>28038303
You can own a tank with a working gun
>>28038301
>Because Britain is a multicultural nanny state
my favourite example:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-34712346
>>28038308
American EODS know what inert means
>>28038271
I want the people responsible for this to experience an eternity of the most agonizing, cruel, and inhumane punishment.
>>28038309
What the fuck, Britain?
>>28038303
>As if that collect of live shells
The shells are understandable.
Bongland police blew up the guy's ENTIRE collection. Guns, uniforms, and all.
>>28038303
They didn't have to destroy all of it.
>>28038303
God, save the Queen!
>>28038271
Can we just mourn for this guys loss for a moment?
This guy probably spent his entire life dedicated to something he really enjoyed. He probably spent countless thousands of dollars creating this work of art, that honestly should have been made into a museum, and then one day faggot police show up and destroy all of it.
That's like someone going into your home and blowing up your house with your family inside, or going on your computer and deleting your porn collection.
Fuck man, I'd probably consider suicide.
>>28038374
In the full article it says that his wife said that he'd been collecting war memorabilia since he was ten years old.
>>28038374
They didn't blow up the uniforms and stuff
>>28038385
It says
> guys garbage was packed with artillery, firearms, ammo and uniforms from both world wars.
>His
>Entire
>Collection
> was removed and destroyed in a controlled explosion.
Quote your source or I'm calling bullshit.
p.s. getting alot of turkey captchas lately..
>>28038385
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11101639/WW1-machine-gun-found-in-mans-garage.html
>his beloved museum was taken to a farmer’s field and blown up.
>all the artefacts were taken to a nearby farmer’s field, where they were destroyed.
>He said: “Alan’s collection was worth thousands and now they’ve gone and blown it all up in a bloody field. It’s ludicrous. What is good is it just rotting in the ground?"
Based on the article, they blew up everything.
>>28038396
That man is precisely right. What good is it doing anyone blown up and rotting?
I can understand them blowing up the ammo and other stuff out of fear, but the guns(When unloaded), the uniforms and other similar things posed no threat to anyone.
I don't know why as a human being I have this admiration for antiques and relics of the past, but god damn does this make me salty.
>>28038410
Even if they couldn't have let the guy have the guns and uniforms, for whatever reason, they could've at least donated them to a museum or something.
Those were actual pieces of history.
>>28038271
God save the Queen.
>>28038368
How the fuck is that even offensive.
>>28038448
Probably the same reason the confederate flag is: SJW faggots will say anything to get people to share and retweet their posts
>>28038309
>the ban on ex-millitary jets performing aerobatics is still in place
one accident and everything fun is ruined forever
what is even the point anyway? is doing a barrel roll going to make a highly maneuverable Vulcan or Hawk break? are the pilots(many of whom are ex-millitary with thousands of hours on the given aircraft) likely to crash if they do anything but fly in a straight line?
This makes me sad and angry at the same time.
Fuck Bongland
Someone needs to take all of these articles and images and make a massive collage so I can send it to all of my Bong buddies when they make fun of America.
>>28038467
I was just about to request this.
This is why Bongland pisses its pants at the sight of a weapon, because British police are such huge pussies that they are rendered completely ineffective if the criminal possesses even a basic blunt weapon.
It's laughable that a crowd of ten police officers can be intimidated by a single nigger armed with a baseball bat.
>>28038448
It's offensive to Christians I guess
>>28038351
>>28038368
Believing the daily heil and the sun.
>>28038484
Actually, the inverted cross is a symbol of Christianity. Known as the cross of St. Peter, the symbol actually adorns the pope's chair.
>>28038351
I dont believe that.
Pretty sure the article fucked up. Why would they blow up uniforms?
>>28038500
See >>28038396.
I don't know what kind of logic the police used to decide that it was the best course of action, but as far as the article tells it, the entire collection was destroyed.
>>28038491
What's the matter, Britbong? ',:^)
>>28038509
You know some days I think "What the fuck has happened to America." Then I see shit like this, and it makes me glad that we told them to fuck off in 1775, because it would only be worse now, I mean look at ausfalia and kucknadia.
Is it just me or do bonglands leaders seem to have a collective vendetta against history?
This isnt even close to the 1st time I have heard of UK government destroying war artifacts.
Its like they want to forget that they were a proud victorious people at one time......
>>28038479
If you think your police have it bad with BLM you have no idea.
It's not that pur police are pussies, far from it in the case of the Met, but they're hamstrung by bullshit nanny statism. They have a set of approved restraint techniques they have to use or they risk being prosecuted for assault; one of my jitsu traiking partners is police and we drilled them for fun, needless to say i eacaped every time. Police doctrine is to swarm criminals so they can restrain them without hurting them. Pay attention America, this is the future for your police if your left get their way.
>>28038271
pls no
>>28038509
>children under the age of 10 getting sex change operations
Holy shit, I didn't realize it was this bad in bongland.
>>28038543
>Police doctrine is to swarm criminals so they can restrain them without hurting them.
>without hurting them
Shit, what do your police do when a person gets ahold of an actual gun? Wait until he falls asleep so they can get close without being shot?
On the UK and weapons; our history of firearms ownership is literally "The Second Amendment: Why It Is Good".
Way way way back when, talking mid 1800s, you had dissident groups like Chartists and later Marxists that were organising riots because they disagreed with government policy. Personal ownership of weapons began to be limited in law to prevent these groups arming themselves.
Fast forward to WW1 and lots ofen were returning home with firearms. The government at the time didn't like that civilians were as well armed as the military and put in place stricter laws; the 1920 firearms act. Again, lots of unrest in the working class at this time so the government wanted them disarmed.
Final nail was Dunblane when Tony Blair's retarded government successfully banned handgun ownership on a wave of public knee jerk. Since then gun ownership in the UK has been demonised.
>Cliffs:
-UK government has always hated an armed public
-has systematically disarmed us over hundreds of years, fearing rebellion
-media has demonised gun ownership and brainwashed UK citizens into passive cukks
The same thing would have happened in the US. In fact, not only would it have happened, but you would be saddled with a fine of hundreds of thousands of dollars and years in a Federal Penitentiary
Stealing from war sites?
Transporting machine guns and explosives illegally into the country?
You tell me that would be allowed in the US. You'd be assfucked so hard, you'd become concave.
>>28038551
Same thing happens in the US. Started there too.
>>28038559
Firearms officers come out to play, we have ~1500 in London.
They're discouraged from using their guns, if they do there is a de facto enquiy and they're taken off duty temporarily.
>>28038271
muslims
>>28038586
>city of nearly nine million people
>only 1500 police officers capable of using guns
Wow.
>>28038576
>Hundreds of years.
Hasn't even been a hundred since what was supposed to be a temporary measure, the 1920 Firearms Act.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/95ap25.htm
>>28038581
But they wouldn't blow up perfectly good guns and uniforms, each of which is a piece of history.
>>28038603
They would and have done multiple times.
>>28038605
Got a source for that? Because I can't find anything that says so.
Good riddance we beat the shit out of that fucking cunstain country they call england. And we'll do it again those fucking pussies.
>>28038609
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/09/right-to-bear-arms-gun-grabbing-sweeping-nation.html
>>28038597
As early as late 1500s we were having our weapons ownership restricted.
The Declaration of Rights reversed this, but UK sovereigns and later governments have always sought to limit the ability of ordinary people to arm themselves.
If there is any country on earth that actually NEEDS firearms.... Its Britain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVOSHnksqAQ
>>28038479
State of the art british police tactical weapon. Shopping basket.
>>28038653
>that one officer armed with nothing but a pen and notepad
This stuff would make a good comedy for American TV.
>>28038653
Those aren't police officers. Those are Police Community Support Officers. Yes, they are a complete joke here as well.
>>28038648
>Less than 40 years ago, this documentary was broadcast on mainstream television by the BBC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6DQBwm2rPc
How quickly things change.
>>28038668
We have them in America too. Theyre called civillians.
I have literally beaten myself to a bruised pulp and broken furniture over my head to try and get rid of the pain and anger I feel for living in this shithole of a country. What the fuck happened? How the fuck did people go from buying guns openly without any licenses and marching in the street, with heroes and writers and thinkers who had revolvers on them just as a daily thing as a patriotic thing to this shit in less than a century?
I'm going to go kill myself. Had enough of this all. Last straw broken.
Because they don't have mass shootings by right wingers every month and they want to keep it that way
>>28038675
BOOOOOOOOOOOOM HEADSHOT!
>>28038694
They didn't have mass shootings back when they could buy machine guns without any paperwork.
>>28038679
nigga just move
>>28038668
What is their job? Are they basically the Neighborhood Watch?
>>28038694
But like 99% of mass shootings are committed by athiests, and democrat voting autists.
Also, you are statistically 10x more likely to be struck by lightning than be killed in a mass shooting.
>>28038484
No, it's not. If some "Christian" is insulted by that they are fucking stupid. It was clearly a flag.
>>28038500
They call the bomb squad for a .22 short.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1736038/posts
Why put officer's lives in danger having the weapons likely exploding/shooting them while attempting to save a criminal's belongings?
Also the clothes and trinkets could have had traces of gunpowder on them. Imagine if he had given them to his grandchildren. Think of the children.
Better safe than free. I mean safe than sorry.
>>28038719
>expecting the people calling it offensive to be anything more than mindless politically correct shills
>>28038711
They're pretty much there to look like policemen. They can't arrest people or do anything.
>>28038726
And I bet you they were grumbling about it.
This is what happens when you let lower middle class women into positions of authority and write stupid regulations about how things are to be approached.
>>28038734
Why bother having them then? If they can't do anything, and everyone KNOWS they can't do anything, they wouldn't even act as a deterrent.
>>28038710
Where? I don't have the money to move to the US (I need $500,000), the EU's going to ban guns sooner or later and Switzerland won't let you immigrate unless you're employed in a bank or similar.
>>28038309
Barrelroll... It looks more like an aileron roll. but still, wtf britain?
>>28038743
human security cameras
>>28038743
It was a New Labour idea. I don't know why the Conservatives haven't scrapped them. Probably because there is no difference between New Labour and the Conservatives at this point.
>>28038726
>It was live, primed and active
You can tell they have to try to come up with enough words to make the bullet seem dangerous by itself.
>>28038748
The BBC are staffed by the same sort of people who drink expensive coffees and whine about progressivism not being accepted and safe spaces.
>>28038756
The Police are fucking bastards and the source of pretty much everything shit about Britain and civilian weaponry rights since the 1960s. NABIS and the NCPO should all die in a bus crash. They refuse to even follow the law regarding firearms and constantly try and push even more restrictive policies both nationally and internationally.
>>28038648
They sound like monkeys
>>28038586
A reminder that, not even covering every Police Service in the UK but only the top five, that Police lose/have their guns stolen more than all private gun holders in the UK and also have more accidents and hurt more people through those accidents than all private shooters in the UK.
Yet the Police still say that civilian gun ownership is dangerous.
>>28038754
Your "conservatives" are more left than our furthest far left extremist batshit nutjob.
>>28038500
>"A spokesman for English Heritage claimed the blowing up of Mr Tissington's collection sent out a “clear message” to other would-be illegal metal detectors.
The article was correct. It was to make an example.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11101639/WW1-machine-gun-found-in-mans-garage.html
>>28038773
Yeah. Ever since Heath, they've gone to shit.
This whole country's gone to shit since the 60s to be honest.
>>28038484
Everything is offensive to Christians
>>28038783
It's not offensive to Christians. What happened is some Labour supporter saw it and thought 'Patriotism? Not on my watch!'
>>28038467
Future is here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOQitInC84
>>28038271
I have literally just had someone use the '33,000 GUN DEATHS A YEAR' line on me and is refusing to understand that once you strip away suicides and accidents, you get less that 10,000 murders and that number is dropping every year. And if you removed gang violence caused murders, that would drop to less than a 1000 deaths a year.
Why can't people understand basic fucking logic?
Here. Make an account and inform this bong keks.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/mass-shootings-in-the-us.244730/page-8#post-6868363
>>28038869
Because muh chilluns and muh hystronics.
I pointed put to someone that school shootings in the US accounted for 0.002% of total murders, yet they can't divorce emotion from statistics. They're perfectly happy to set a precedent of trampling over the Constitution over such a negligible stat.
>>28038886
I wouldn't be surprised if mass shootings are no more common nowadays than they were 50 years ago.
Thing is, now we've got news organizations and the Internet, so everyone in the world knows about every mass shooting hours after it happens.
>>28038271
>destroyed everything, even things that weren't weapons
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>>28038886
And that's the worst thing about it all.
I would gladly, in an ideal world, if it actually did anything, support gun control and licensing. Because in this ideal world, there wouldn't be any misreable bastards who want to ban guns for ideological reasons and it would be fine.
But not only does gun control not actually DO anything to prevent crime or murder, but it actually makes it WORSE AND destroys the gun trade and makes it harder for law abiding people to acquire firearms. Not to mention you might just have a certain kind of gun banned 'because muh feelings' like what the EU is trying to do. And all licensing does is put obstacles in your path and means that the police know who's door to kick down when they inevitably come for the other guns.
>>28038427
Yes God Save the Queen because the Royal Family are probably the only pro-gun part of the whole British Political structure.
>>28038893
What annoys me is liberal Americans holding up the UK as an example. Yes, of course our gun crime is significantly lower not due to our restrictive guns laws, but because there really aren't that many guns and there never have been. Our two countries are not in the slightest comparable.
It just gives more perceived validity to the morons who think UK gun laws aren't strict enough.
>>28038986
This. The link in >>28038597 points out, even back when guns were completely uncontrolled in the UK, London was far less violent than New York.
>A FUCKING STICK!
>>28038981
>tfw Charles's Holland and Holland guns each cost more than my house
>>28038893
Mass shootings that the media is interested in (ie nonblack middle class male vs. school, mall, etc) have seen an increase since about 2007/08, and are much more common than 50 years ago.
Mass shootings as in gang violence that nobody cares about has actually gone down since the past decade, I don't know where it stands vs gang violence 50 years ago.
IT'S GOING TO CAUSE MASSIVE DAMAGE.
>>28038991
>>28038996
>>28038991
This has gotten a lot of stick, pun intended, but honestly, if you saw some 'urban youths' placing sharpened sticks, butcher knives and baseball bats in caches around a public park in the centre of a city while threatening another gang and telling them to meet them in said park would you not want someone to go and remove them?
That is if you don't want to see a bunch of 'urban youths' beat and stab the shit out of each other, of course.
>>28038996
While I think this was stupid, if I rammed a sharp stake through your body, it wouldn't exactly be a papercut, would it?
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>>28038996
God, the level of faggotry is disgusting.
lol wtf is wrong with those ron weasley fags nowadays
thank god i can own as many assault rifles as i want and an even bigger thanks to GAWD that i can buy enough fucking tannerite to blow my god damn house up. feels good to be free boys, cheeseburger
>>28039010
>>28039013
>Assault rifles
You can own as many as you can get tax stamps for.
>implying allfags abide by the law
ur a special britcunt arent u
>>28039016
>registering your weapons voluntarily
>ever
litterally as bad as a britbong
>>28039018
So where you buying those assault rifles from, then?
>>28039018
praise to GAWD for this man
allahu akbar
>>28039020
Allah Akbar for American guns.
>>28039024
see, this guys understands life
>"FUCKIN HELL LADS THAT BLOODY UNEEFORM MIGHT'VE GOTTEN A WEE BIT OF 'SPLODEYPOWDER ON IT, LET'S CALL IN THE EOD WANKERS"
1984 is real. Britain is now Airstrip 1.
because austin powers m8
>>28038271
>destroyed historical relics
this cant be fucking real
what the fuck you fucking inbred crooked teeth mouthbreathers
>>28038448
leftistfags see the english flag as a symbol of white heteronormative patriarchy
>>28038996
Have you got the one with the bike wheel and the car radio?
what, they didn't destroy the uniforms too did they?
>>28038726
I think you meant safe, then sorry
>>28039010
Well no shit, but everything can be a deadly weapon in the right hands.
You can sharpen a toothbrush handle into a point and stick it into a person's jugular, but that doesn't mean toothbrushes should be considered weapons.
Time to remind Americlaps that they are no better.
There are still some pockets of sanity in the UK thankfully (pic related, Fultons of Bisley), and the number of people getting involved in shooting sport is continuing to rise.
But yeah, shit laws. Rip in peace handguns.
>>28039079
>Sanity
>Anything to do with Bisley
Fuck the NRA and the Bisley Mafia.
>>28038771
>that Police lose/have their guns stolen more than all private gun holders in the UK and also have more accidents and hurt more people through those accidents than all private shooters in the UK.
proofs?
>>28039055
Ban assault toothbrush now!
>>28038500
They didn't, it's a bullshit article that's using a dramatic sweeping generalisation to make it sell.
>>28039103
This. The guns went to Leeds, the explosives were blown up and the rest was kept intact.
>>28038309
>>28038454
Isn't this because of the wing spar fatigue though? They're already beyond the original fatigue specs from Avro.
I think Vulcan to the Sky list stress corrosion cracking as an uncertainty too, as it would only occur beyond the fatigue life so Avro never tested it.
>>28038726
>They call the bomb squad for a .22 short.
You're absolutely lying. No wonder you fuckers get worked up so much.
>>28039096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMNENzNfaco
All properly sourced in the description.
>>28039113
Yes, it's a perfectly reasonable thing that people here are going to hoot and holler about because they're retards.
>>28039113
No, it's because a Hawker Hunter crashed in the worst airshow disaster in the UK since the 1950s and the first one involving a jet so the CAA put restrictions on all vintage jet aircraft prohibiting them from doing anything by flying straight at air shows.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Shoreham_Airshow_crash
>>28039114
You know how organisations work? There's a set of procedures and such that they follow.
Someone called the police and probably said something like 'THERE'S BULLETS HERE' without describing how many bullets. When there's caches of ammunition found, you need EOD because very often you have hand grenades or something that Dad brought back from the war that isn't stable. Then the Police try to play it up because they want to be seen as badasses and most people don't know shit about guns.
>>28039123
And in reality there's going to be 30 odd coppers and EOD grunts who are pissed at being called out to deal with a single round of .22lr.
Hell, I sell thousands of rounds of the stuff every day at work.
>>28039079
Are handguns completely illegal in Bongland?
>>28039123
Except EOD weren't called. At all.
>>28039135
>And in reality there's going to be 30 odd coppers and EOD grunts who are pissed at being called out to deal with a single round of .22lr.
Fuck me now you're lying too. Read the article you ignorant retard.
>>28039095
>tfw Bisley is my nearest range
>tfw no practical shooting ever
Ah well, a few mates and I are planning on making the trip out to Phoenix soon.
>>28039136
Yep, look up the fucking "Snowdrop Campaign". The only way to do it now is a) overseas, b) black powder.
>>28038271
It's fake
>>28039123
This 2bh.
Policing in the UK is incredibly procedure based. We had some CS gas left in our training hall and called the police asking what to do with it. Pepper spray and similar aerosols are classed as handguns here so despite i being nearly empty we had to wait for firearms officers to come and take it away, regular police wouldn't do it and once we asked them wouldn 't let us throw it away.
>>28039150
>handguns illegal
>can still own rifles
Where's the fucking logic in that?
>>28039155
>Pepper spray and similar aerosols are classed as handguns here
Haha, oh wow.
>>28039164
Uh, because handguns are easier to use in crimes than longarms because they're more concealable? It's not hard to guess why.
>>28039136
Not technically, but as good as.
You can own one on a Section 5 license, which is only given out in very rare cases and almost exclusively to gun traders. It's an effective ban for civilians, i don't think one has ever been issued to a regular person.
You can own a 'handgun' if it meets minimum length regs, pic related abortions.
>>28039166
Yeah, it's dumb.
The Offensive Weapons act also means that carrying anything physically capable of being a weapon in public can get you arrested.
>>28039176
>anything physically capable of being a weapon in public can get you arrested.
Even a large flashlight?
>>28038271
I remember seeing in the article that many of the things such as uniforms and helmets got sent to museums.
>>28038271
Cuz we btfo'd the fuck out of them
>>28038289
>indoctrination through movies, govt, school.
This. Especially public schools.
>>28039179
Yes. If a copper sees you carrying a huge Maglite around and suspects you of wanting to use it as a club - even in SD - they can arrest you.
Not many would, but the stupid law still stands. You are not allowed ANY form of weapon at all.
>>28039179
>>28039179
The problem is that anything can be an offensive weapon if a police officer says it is. This doesn't mean that you can't carry anything, I frequently carry a big sheath knife and a billhook on me and I take public transport to the range with my guns. But it puts all the power in the police's hands. Which is the reason why people were opposed to setting up the police in the first place is because of shit like this.
>>28039148
Article doesn't say who was sent to deal with it either way. Your accusations hold no weight without a source.
Given their response to things like this I wouldn't be surprised if EOD was called in.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/xbox-360-buttons-mistaken-for-bullets-bomb-squad-called-out-in-belfast-31003868.html
>>28039179
Yes
Saw a video of britbong police arresting an electrician because he had a screwdriver on his toolbelt.
>>28039176
But literally anything solid is physically capable of being a weapon. A bottle, a large rock, a steel-toed boot, a walking cane, etc. are all capable of being weapons.
>>28038993
I cant bare to think of how many of those guns were destroyed during the firearms collection
>>28039197
>>28039198
>>28039202
What kind of evidence do they need to arrest you on suspicion?
>>28039193
Says you. At my public school we did shooting as a sport and an activity and had a great CCF plus did clays as a club.
>>28039204
Yes. And so if any police officer suspects you of using it as a weapon, you can be arrested. This doesn't mean you don't carry things with you or that they're banned, it just means that the police can abuse the fuck out of their authority. And as the Police tend to be Labour supporters and women these days...
>>28039181
Was it from a different news site? Because everything in the Telegraph article suggests the complete collection was destroyed, to make an example of the guy to other would-be war relic diggers.
>>28039210
None for arresting, but it depends on what they can drum up for prosecution if you get charged.
>>28039214
Telegraph is a right wing newspaper. And as outrage is a hell of a way to clickbait shit, making it seem like all the collection was destroyed is a great way to get people to send the link around. Like what's going on right now in this thread.
>>28038484
>Christians
Or dragons
>>28039210
Making an arrest without a warrant
After the introduction of the serious organised crime Act 2005, the police have been given greater powers to make an arrest without the requirement of an arrest warrant.
From this extension, a police officer now has the power to arrest any person that has committed an offence. The police office must have reasonable grounds for believing that the person they are arresting has committed the offence, is in the process of committing the offence or is about to commit the offence, and that it is therefore necessary to arrest them.
The police have justified grounds for making a necessary arrest in the following situations:
If the person in question will not give the police officer their name or address, or the police officer has reasonable grounds to believe that the information the suspect did provide was false or inaccurate.
To protect a child or vulnerable person from potential danger
To keep the suspect from disappearing
The arrest is a measure needed to ensure that the suspect will not harm themselves, or any
Other individual,
To ensure the suspect does not cause any criminal damage to near property or commit a crime of public indecency
To ensure prompt and efficient investigation of the alleged crime
>>28039193
Most shooters in the UK start when they're school aged, either on school grounds (big private schools quite often have ranges), or with the ATC/CCF/ACF in the evenings.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10307611/Shooting-can-help-boost-childrens-education-head-says.html
>>28039212
What kind of repercussions happen to police officers that abuse their power like that?
In America there are laws that allow police to hold a person for 24-48 hours without actually charging them with a crime, but I would think if they didn't have a legitimate reason then their boss would get on their ass.
>>28039231
This. My school had its own range, armoury, clays pit, etc.
>>28039236
What kind of repercussions happen to police officers who abuse their authority anywhere?
There's all kinds of punishments that can be meted out from warnings, docking of pay, suspension, prosecution, prison time, etc. But whether or not they're brought into play depends on internal affairs doing its job.
>>28039228
The whole name and address thing is one of the worst.
If you have a dispute with a private company and they're trying to fine you they call the police, the police ask you for your details and you can either give in and have the private company come after you or get arrested.
>>28039228
>police allowed to arrest you for not telling them your name
>police allowed to arrest you in order to keep you from leaving
Literally 1984.
>>28039198
I carry knives and other things on me daily. It helps to dress smartly and have a public school accent (as well as a well thought out excuse if you're carrying something just because you want to).
>>28039242
I guess my question then is how well does British police Internal Affairs do its job?
>>28039250
Once again, Labour.
I hate the Police in this country so bloody much. Well, not the ordinary police officers. We have a few in our club and they're fine. But the leadership needs a purging.
>>28038694
>left wingers
Fixed for actual real-life facts and not just shit you make up because it makes sense in your worldview molded entirely by watching CNN.
>>28038994
>(ie nonblack middle class male vs. school, mall, etc) have seen an increase since about 2007/08, and are much more common than 50 years ago.
You're going to need a source for this.
Statistics I've seen in the US show school violence in particular peaking in 93.
>>28039242
It's worth remembering that by and large our po-po are just as disarmed as we are, so they really hate getting into fights. If you are clearly not a scumbag most will give you the benefit of doubt.
>>28039254
Depends on the Police Force in question. Some are okay, others, like South Yorkshire, are corrupted with pro-Police and progressive nonsense.
>>28039255
Once again, it goes back to the 1960s when a bunch of under-educated left wingers got into the higher echelons of the police and wreaked havoc.
>>28038271
>Why is Bongland so afraid of weaponry?
Because of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNXmjhHZaY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4YtgA2jnu4
This process has been in effect for over a generation in most of Europe and that is why it looks like it looks like. One of the worst examples is Sweden.
They have been doing it in the US to but they haven't been as successful.
This is why Putin has worked to resurrect the church in Russia. Its one of the main defenses against subversion.
>>28039271
Who is "they?" The Illuminati?
>>28039231
>Most shooters in the UK start when they're school aged
I'm from the US.
On an image board hosted in the US.
Occupied primarily by users from the US.
I'm talking about the US.
It's extremely region dependent. I live in the South East, so it's not unusual for elementary school age kids to be familiar with shooting (that's when I started with .22, .410, and 9mm pistol). But there has been a significant shift in public schools even here where talking about firearms and violence in any context is discouraged heavily. It's not brand new and it's not sudden, it really started after Columbine in 99.
>>28039279
Basically the left wing of politics across politics who swept into academia and into power after the Second World War and then proceeded to infiltrate academia and the establishment, controlling it effectively from the 1960s onwards.
>>28039257
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/us/25shooters.html?_r=0
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/mass-shootings-increasing-harvard-research
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-mass-shootings-more-frequent-data-20150618-story.html
There are more, but I'll leave the googling to you. I am by no means married to my viewpoint here, if you have sources indicating the 90s as the high point (pun intended) feel free to post them up.
>>28039283
It's an interesting contrast though. At my school, people brought their guns in to do clay pigeon and target shooting and over in the US, they'd go to prison if they tried that.
>>28039283
In a thread. About the UK. During a time when most American posters wouldn't be on. On a Japanese owned imageboard.
>>28039287
We have all the cadet stuff linked to school. My gf was shooting SA80s at a range when she was 14 yet I was 27 before I even fired a shotgun.
>>28039291
>During a time when most American posters wouldn't be on.
It's 8:17am and I don't have class for another hour.
Are you under the impression all Americans sleep until noon?
>>28039286
http://www.npr.org/2012/03/16/148758783/violence-in-schools-how-big-a-problem-is-it
>School violence in the U.S. reached a peak in 1993, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. That year, there were 42 homicides by students in total, as well as 13 "serious violent crimes" — rape, sexual assault, robbery and aggravated assault — per 1,000 students at primary and secondary schools.
>By 2010, the latest figures available, those numbers had decreased to two homicides and four violent crimes per 1,000 students.
>>28039305
It's 7:20am where I am and I'm only awake at this hour because I haven't gone to sleep yet.
>>28039305
I thought you would be at work or travelling there. It's my day off. Bloody students.
>>28039170
can own them fairly easily if ex mil/pol in NI but who really counts them as part of the UK
>>28039287
>It's an interesting contrast though. At my school, people brought their guns in to do clay pigeon and target shooting and over in the US, they'd go to prison if they tried that.
It really is a generational thing.
My father (born in 62) attended the same middle school I did.
When he was there he was part of an on campus shooting club, and it wasn't unusual then or when he was in high school for kids to bring their own rifles for use after school.
When I was in middle school in 1999-2000 I got pulled into the dean's office because I drew a comic strip with some SWAT officers, threw it away on the way out of the classroom, and the teacher dug it out and reported me.
>>28039313
>I thought you would be at work or travelling there. It's my day off. Bloody students.
Fuck off. I got that sweet Post 9/11 GI Bill money.
>>28039193
I think you're confused between a public and state school in the UK. Most public schools will push you towards cadets/scouts etc and almost all will have a shooting society. Mine used to offer shooting as a games option instead of cricket, hockey or rugby. Just .22 and only a 30m range but we shot on school sit all we wanted
>>28039113
>>28039117
You can barrel roll at a constant 1 G loading.
It shouldn't be a fucking problem.
>>28039284
I always wonder about this - what is the "left wing" to you? Because traditional "leftists" have always been pretty keen on arming everyone (e.g. George Orwell, rabid socialist: "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.". See also his Homage to Catalonia about fighting alongside the anarchists and communists in Spain).
I always feel people who just label the "left" as the enemy lose a lot of potential allies among the (admittedly profuse) so called "liberals" in the same group. I mean, have a look at stuff like Spiked and Jacobin - railing against the same stuff, but from the side of us reds.
>>28039305
I think this is school violence in general though, not necessarily shootings, and accounts for non-firearm related violence. It's the kind of low-profile violence and gang violence that the media doesn't give a shit about reporting, but is fortunately on the decline from where it used to be.
>>28039003
>This has gotten a lot of stick, pun intended, but honestly, if you saw some 'urban youths' placing sharpened sticks, butcher knives and baseball bats in caches around a public park in the centre of a city while threatening another gang and telling them to meet them in said park would you not want someone to go and remove them?
I would want people to be allowed to carry arms so they could remove those youth gangs.
>>28039333
George Orwell is loathed by the modern Left, as he was in the 1960s. He's not typical of the Left Wing core leadership or their positions. For one thing, he was a patriot.
>>28039343
Yes, because private individuals in the US go out and shoot up gangs of youths openly in the streets with no ramifications whatsoever.
>>28039333
I'm a Liberal. The Left in the UK has frequently described my views as fascist and right wing and want no part of them despite me being an ordinary classical liberal.
>>28039333
Thing is, authoritarianism can apply to any part of the political spectrum. Socialists, while being left, will disarm populations to maintain totality of the state. Conservatives (UK Tories), whilst being right, fundamentally distrust the public and so will disarm them to prevent criminal violence.
>>28039286
Mother Jones and big liberal city newspapers are not great sources.
Admittedly, LA Times did admit once that defensive firearms uses could be as common as a million times per year, which is greatly above the number usually quoted on our side, but Mother Jones is most certainly a terrifyingly bad source.
>>28039360
This. Both Conservatives and Labour have passed gun bans and weapon bans and crippled self-defence laws in this country.
Conservatives: 87 Firearms Act, 88 Offensive Weapons Act, 96 Firearms Act
Labour 97 Firearms Act, 2006 Violent Crime Reduction Act.
They're both cut from the same social-democratic cloth.
But this is getting a bit /pol/.
>>28039360
Remember folks: it's a diamond, not a line.
>>28039341
>I think this is school violence in general though,
Which includes all homicides in schools.
>not necessarily shootings, and accounts for non-firearm related violence. It's the kind of low-profile violence and gang violence that the media doesn't give a shit about reporting, but is fortunately on the decline from where it used to be.
Literally all homicides and other violent crime in schools in the US have decreased significantly since a peak in 93.
What hasn't decreased is the perception of violence in schools because of media agenda setting.
>>28039354
Oh yeah same, it's just that's exactly why I think extending the label of "left wing" to them is a horrible idea. It's like watching the Enlightenment burn before your eyes.
>>28039360
Yeah, this is why I think just ascribing everything bad to the left wing is a failure though. Rather than alienating just the authoritarian left, it alienates the libertarian left too. It's really more of a a failure I see among American politically active people, though maybe that's really a result of all the anti-labour propaganda thrown around in the 1930s.
But anyway, this is getting a little too /pol/. Back to guns!
>>28039067
At least Americans are remotely aware when their government goes balls-out insane. Hell, even here in Canada we are a bunch of keks. The US actually has a chance.
>>28039079
>dat delisle carbine on the wall
Is that even real? Lots of countries are really anal about suppressors and i thought they would be banned as fuck in the UK.
>>28039366
Yeah I figured as much, but like I said don't care to google it harder. Most studies I've read have said mass shootings up, overall violence down. Media in general fucking blows. Wish there was a source that just published raw stats on shit without forcing an interpretation on the reader.
>>28038271
women got the vote
everything stems from this
>>28039113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmrxz1zjoow
not unless the worsening of the fatigue happens to coincide exactly with the Shoreham crash and the CAA banning fun in the face of a backlash from idiots with no sense of perspective
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11821793/Shoreham-Air-Show-crash-vintage-jets-banned-from-stunt-flying-as-police-warn-death-toll-could-reach-20.html
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/23/shoreham-air-show-crash-first-three-victims-named
>>28039397
I think suppressors are less restricted in the UK than they are here in the US.
>>28039397
No, quite the opposite. Moderators are easy to get. The Police practically throw the permission to acquire them for firearms at you when you apply for your certificate. You can buy air rifle moderators which work on .22lr without licenses and you can buy them without any extra permission for shotguns on a Shotgun Certificate.
Many places won't even let you shoot certain rifles or calibres unless you have a moderator fitted to your rifle.
>>28038271
What a bunch of uneducated faggots
>>28039279
>Who is "they?" The Illuminati?
Communist backed leftists
http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm
Basically what this guy said >>28039284
>>28038448
In a nation state, the flag is the symbol of the nation as well as the state. The nation in this case being the ethnic group "Englishmen". As this excludes citizens of other ethnicities, it can be perceived by those who are easily offended to be similar to "white pride" symbols.
>>28039397
Yep, there are quite a few in the UK.
Suppressors are both legal, and actually encouraged to keep noise down around most ranges. A lot of people use them for hearing protection/recoil reduction anyway though.
>>28039419
There's also a company called Armalon who make reproductions. They're also the ones who first came up with the Speedmaster straight-pull attachment for AR15s.
>>28039409
I guess they are tired of soccer moms calling the police because some ''gun crazed mass murderer'' is target practicing.
>>28039067
the gender camp one isn't an outrage
unless its the parents forcing it
>>28039427
That and people who buy houses right next to a shooting range that's been in the same place for over a hundred years and then complain about the noise problem.
>>28038374
Or maybe going sand people on the cops, or person that reported you.
>>28039271
more like two generations to be honest family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COt65HZCJaA
>>28039431
>>28039431
>That and people who buy houses right next to a shooting range that's been in the same place for over a hundred years and then complain about the noise problem.
>>28039397
>Lots of countries are really anal about suppressors
Which ones aside from the US?
>>28039441
Yep. Now we have to use moderators on the fullbore stuff and shoot after 11AM.
Bastards.
>>28039445
I think Canada might have copied the Americans.
Other than that, nothing really comes to mind.
>>28039279
It's a Russian expert talking about Russian methods.
>>28039378
I agree with you on the decline in violence. We're looking for mass shootings specifically though, not general violence.
Yes violence overall peaked in the 90's, and has been declining. But instances of mass shootings did not peak in the 90's, they have been increasing since the mid-2000's.
This is what I originally said back here >>28038994 in response to the comment about mass shootings (not overall violence) being just as common in the past. Which they weren't.
>>28039441
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324176/Couple-demand-church-bells-silent-night-iPhone-app-proves-ruin-sleep.html
>>28039214
I'll try and find the article, not everything was destroyed for sure.
>>28039455
>Russian methods.
communist methods. This has nothing to do with Russia, Russia was used as a tool by the communist. Right now Russia is on the forefront to combat this and its the west that is pushing it on the rest of the world. Ofc the US is not even close to being as bad as the soviet union once was but you are getting there.
You can say what you want about Putin but he is an ex KGB agent and he knows about this.
If you want understand what is happening and why its happening you need to watch this
>>28039271
>>28039010
when's bongistan gonna officially ban sticks and remove all forms of vegetation on the island?
>>28039466
>bells of Mayfield church ringing every 15 minutes
To be honest that sounds annoying as fuck.
The only time I was arrested was in a trip in UK after a nightclub fight. I have to say that they were very polite, the female officer even bought me a coke and when they knew that "i dindu noffin" wrong they apologized and wished me a happy trip.
>>28039397
Nope, moderators are actually perfectly legal in the UK.
>>28039110
Can you gib link?
>>28039441
Welcome to the UK. People move next to long established race tracks, airports, music venues etc, then complain about the noise. Most people in the UK over 40 are like that.
>>28038877
>I am not disagreeing with you. In fact I was subjected to a rant by the "membership secretary" of a shooting club when I went along to have a look at a club. She, yes a she, was calling Ob@ma every kind of liberal, commie, n****r under the sun, accusing him of being a closet muslim in the pocket of Vlad. All because he wanted to introduce some controls.
>When I say rant I do mean rant. I actually took off my visitors pass, handed it to her telling her she sounded like a neo-nazi and I wanted nothing to do with the club. She was a big woman and was on the verge of physically ejecting me as I was leaving.
>Anyway, the form they fill out to buy a gun is, I am told by the bloke in my old gun shop, not even passed to the police. The shop is obliged to keep it on file, all they do is call through your name, DoB, address and make, model and serial no. of the gun you are buying. The police then run their check on the limited information they have ............... and there you have an M4 clone in your possession.
>>28039538
>Then you have private sales. Once you own a gun you may dispose of it to anyone with absolutely no paperwork or the need to inform any authorities. I have never done a private purchase but I believe you have to reasonably be sure that the person is legally entitled, not a nutter, criminal or wanted. Bear in mind as a white, english speaker I was, several years ago, offered a variety of firearms by different people just because I was either at a gun show having a look, or happened to be in a range doing a pay and shoot. I even informed them I was only on my hols and was told that it didn't matter I could just tuck "whatever" away and play with it next time I came over. Just to add - I did not buy one - I like my freedom too much, added to which prison food is terrible.
>Then you look at silencers and fully automatic weapons - both controlled items. You can more or less buy all the parts legally, the offence being to assemble the parts, or to buy the parts with the intent to assemble. You tube is full of idiots who have.
>The one which has left me really, really, baffled is flame throwers. You can own one, I have seen one for sale, working, functional, operational, why should anyone want to buy, or even sell, a flame thrower?
>Something needs doing and I say that as a shooter. The only people worried about any type of genuine gun control are people who probably would not be granted permission to own a gun.
AND THIS IS FROM A MILITARY FORUM
HOW CU C KED!
>>28039545
>>28039538
tl;dr There is too much freedom here and I don't understand it.
Make an account and correct this bong.
>>28038467
lol that vs this
>>28038271
Because they chose the wrong side instead of siding with Based Hitler and the Joos took over.
As usual, /pol/ is right.
>>28039570
its gotten so bad that you can't even tell if people are joking or not about this shit
>>28038509
What's with the one on the top right? I'm not arguing for Sharia and pedos and the like, and I'm no fan of political correctness, but what does some generic "hurr durr don't be a bigot" image have to with all of that?
>>28039609
Because they decide what bigoted behaviour is. Not you.
>>28038694
>right wingers
homie I need to tell you something
>>28038679
Jews and the degeneracy they spawn.
That's what you get for being a kek.
>>28039483
There is nothing communist about it. It's a Russian method to weaken and divide the west, they're still doing it and people like you who fall for it are proof of its effectiveness.
>>28039354
>Not being a fascist
Get the fuck out, you betakek. Do you know where you are?
>>28039690
>>submits to men without any condition of respect
>>literal female mentality
>>calls others beta keks
fascists are masochistic, submissive males who like licking boots and taking it up the ass. that's a known fact.
>>28039690
Put your trip on Saigamarine
>>28039717
>so say we all
>>28039609
>Hating degenerates and subhumans is bad
Go away. /k/ is a pro-white, Natsoc board, and if you don't like it then go back to reddit where your kind belongs.
