>be an F-16/F-35 pilot
>be a combat vet
>know full well the capabilities of the F-16/F-35 and the A-10
>rightly acknowledge the A-10 is the better CAS aircraft
>people on an internet message board tell you that you don't know what you're talking about...
>>28025039
>being a welfare queen
literally no one cares
>>28025039
>point out that anyone who thinks only the A-10 can do CAS is wrong
You left out that part.
>>28025050
Obviously the ones that say X is better than Y do.
>>28025212
It's the only aircraft actually designed for CAS, and does it better than any other
You left out that part
>>28025039
Hating the a-10 is a meme. Anyone born before 1993 knows the a-10 rocks
>>28025039
>be an F-16/F-35 pilot
>be a combat vet
>know full well the capabilities of the F-16/F-35 and the X-Wing
>rightly acknowledge the X-Wing is the better CAS aircraft
There fixed.
>>28025351
There's an F-35 patch that makes it look like an X-Wing. It's pretty sick.
>>28025305
It does low altitude CAS better.
>>28025470
Not only does the 35 have a base limit operating alt it must maintain at all times, it wont even carry the weapons needed for "low" direct attack CAS
>>28025305
The A-10 was designed for tank hunting, it was later pressed into the CAS role due to similarities in operation.
>>28025520
Guided munitions?
>>28025548
SDBs for days. When they finally integrate the damn thing on other aircraft.
>>28025039
oh look this thread again.
>Aging air frames that are failing due to massive over stress
>Flies slower than a fucking P-3 Orion Turboprop
>Not used in it's designed role as except in outlier scenarios since incorporation of Sniper Pod Upgrade
>Other assets do the same shit with quicker response time and less maint per flight hour
but...but... bu muh gun
>>28025305
The A-10C is an excellent CAS asset...when it's fairly close. Land forces love the A-10 because they only see the end effects delivered when it is able to support them. They are rarely aware of the occasions when the limitations of the aircraft mean it can't provide CAS. I can think of numerous times that I've been unable to task an A-10 because it's relatively slow transit speed would have delayed the response, particularly for ECAS in Afghanistan. Similarly, the A-10 is less survivable in a contested environment and it's ISR capabilities are limited. In contrast, other USAF types such as the F-15E, F-16 and B-1B (not to mention USN and USMC types) are able to kick the burners in and arrive in a more timely manner. Indeed, the vast majority of CAS in Iraq and Afghanistan is not provided by A-10s; other types can and do provide comparable effects.
Ultimately, the USAF is required to maintain capabilities against the full spectrum of war fighting scenarios. Some would argue that 'low end' COIN is the more likely. However, air forces and navies in particular have to look at a far longer strategic timescale when balancing forces. With a resurgent Russia, China intent on achieving dominance within their 'second island chain' and the '9-dash line' by 2030, the proliferation of advanced SAMs even in asymmetric warfare (eg MH17), and ageing 4th Gen assets, the USAF is in a no-win position. Their position is further complicated by congressional politics preventing them from dispensing with enormous amounts of largely redundant but expensive CONUS infrastructure, sqns and capabilities.
5th Gen assets secure future access to airspace. F-15Es, F-16s and B-1Bs are similarly viable across the full scope of scenarios including CAS. In contrast, the A-10 is increasingly constrained by modern threats.
Finally, the B-52 mission entails just a tad less airframe fatigue than that of the A-10.
>>28025531
It was designed to be the Air Forces answer to the Army's attack helicopters, actually. With CAS being its direct mission
>>28025598
Look! It's just like what OP predicted! What else will OP forsee?
>>28025644
hmm yes predicted
>not experience in the same fucking thread every 3 days
Yep also have no idea what I could be talking about, none at all.
>>28025598
I hate that I'm replying to a troll post but your extreme fucking idiocy has rustled my jimmies. What the fuck fixed wing asset has a faster response time AND less maint?
>>28025626
Obviously they shouldn't build an airforce around COIN
But they could buy a hundred or two super tucano's for COIN, and keep most of the expensive to operate fighters in mothball.
Helping to control costs.
>implying pilots and military personnel in general aren't just as susceptible to memes and bullshit as anyone else
>>28025714
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano
Oh
They literally ARE buying 200 super tucano's for coin
>>28025714
Or, here's an idea, keep the airframe they already have in the inventory and spent $12 billion rewinging and upgrading to the A-10C standard.
Some arguments I've seen against the A-10
>can only drop dumb munitions
Damn thing was fitted with LANTIRN pods in the late 70's and has received continual upgrades to include GPS guidance systems among other adaptations.
>can't survive a modern SAM environment
This is probably why A-10s were paired with F-4G Wild Weasels in Desert Storm during the Wart Weasel missions. The ones where A-10 pilots flew directly at Iraqi SAM sites to provoke an attack.
>A-10s were pulled from the front lines in Desert Storm because they were vulnerable
This is unmitigated horse shit. See above.
>>28025704
B-1, F-15E, F/A-18E/F
>>28025868
Or how about you just buy the F-35, instead of spending 12 billion dollars upgrading a 40 year old obsolete jet?
>>28025039
>Marine pilot
>TOPGUN instructor
>2000 plus hours in 4th gen airframes including legacy Hornet, Super Hornet, F-16
>F-22 exchange tour
>first Marine to fly the F-35
Let him tell you how good the F-35 is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxK6O5--9Z0
>>28026016
>F-35 pilot shilling for the F-35
>>28026039
>anything that can remotely be considered a negative comment about the F-35 is true and anything overtly good is a lie
>>28025039
>Iraq War
>A-10 gets grounded because too many are getting killed
>F-16 keeps flying missions, including missions that the A-10 was supposed to do
>But people still think that the A-10 is more survivable.
>>28026072
Part of his job is to sell the F-35 though... Literally gets paid for the time he's interviewed
>>28026184
>things that didn't happen
>>28026191
And War Is Boring gets paid for every article they write.
>>28025039
Of course an A-10 is better than a F-35 for CAS. The A-10 was purpose built for the CAS role. THe problem is that CAS is all the A-10 can do. A F-35 can perform multiple missions using the same airframe.
>>28026191
I can lie on the interwebs as well.
>>28025565
SDBs are a bit outdated desu
>>28025626
>Indeed, the vast majority of CAS in Iraq and Afghanistan is not provided by A-10s
Gave yourself away with this line.
The two aircraft that provided more CAS than the A-10, outnumber it almost 10 to 1.
>>28026235
Which is why we only have 200 or so A-10's but are going to buy over 2000 F-35's.
>>28025039
This right here is the best CAS aircraft the USA has ever produced.
>God-tier loiter time
>God-tier ammo capacity
>Sniper pod compatible to make the most of precision munitions
>Tons of different possible weapon systems
>Can perform supersonic low altitude bombing runs if it wants to.
>Performed more CAS missions in Afghanistan than any other aircraft
We can only hope that the LRS-B can measure up to this beast.
>>28026291
>in bizarro world
>>28026269
>B-1B
>outnumbering A-10s
>>28026285
Which begs the question: why buy A-10s at all?
These threads are such a pain in the ass, in defending their plane the pro F-35 crowd have become as bad as the anti F-35 crowd.
>>28026337
A B-1 is not an F-16/F-18.
>>28026347
Because there is a need for low altitude CAS.
>>28026364
>Because there is a need for low altitude CAS.
Maybe in 1970-2000, but this is 2015.
>>28026191
He made a presentation and presented it. He gets a salary, he isn't paid per shill or whatever
>>28026377
I know you thought that was very witty, but you look as dumb as the people who claim tanks or carriers are obsolete.
