9mm vs .38
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Which makes more sense for the average Joe self defense round. Why is the .38 round more costly than the 9mm but less penetration and stopping power?
>>28021020
9mm for your average Joe. More capacity, better price, etc etc.
More guns are made for 9mm.
>>28021020
>stopping power
>hey guys why is .32RF so expensive if it's shit
>>28021036
What are you implying? You can get hit with a nine mil in the chest and brush it off?
anything under hot loaded 44 mag doesn't have that "stopping power " you're talking about
>>28021020
I get the one on the right in OPs pic. In reminton thought because supposedly the lead is a bit softer.
>>28021020
>average Joe self defense round
Both rounds themselves will ventilate a motherfucker with controllable recoil. What makes one better (or not) than another is what gun is shooting it.
.38 is a much more versatile load. They can be very slow or very fast or have light or heavy weights, or use shots shells. .38 does all this because it's a revolver cartridge.
9mm is less versatile because autos need consistent pressures to cycle reliably. The benefit of 9mm isn't penetration. It's round count.
This question would make more sense reframed as revolver vs auto, which has been beaten to death and is really a case of apples and oranges anyway.
>>28021062
Care to test your hypothesis?
>>28021062
>Being retarded
>>28021063
I'm just talking about average stopping power, a 9mm will stop a human when they get shot with it. Or all those cops shooting niggers carrying 44?
STOPPAN POWWAR!
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>>28021089
Stopping power doesn't exist.
Shot placement does.
Potential lethality depends on shot placement.
When you're high on adrenaline, you won't feel any round until the fight is already over.
>>28021075
Uh no, I have personally seen a 9mm cut straight thru a frying pan that a 38 could not. There's a YouTube vid on it somewhere
>>28021020
Why is X more expensive than Y
What is supply and demand?
>>28021106
So why do I always see people getting hit with 9mm dropping like a sack of potatoes after one shot?
>>28021020
Stopping power is a myth
>>28021122
Shot placement.
>>28021122
You are watching movies
What is reality?
>>28021122
They got shot in something vital.
If you shoot somebody in the heart with .22lr they'll drop too.
If you shoot them in the heart with .700 nitro express, they'll drop just as hard. It'll just be more messy.
>>28021131
Big bullets do big damage, higher chance of hitting bone and shattering inside creating shards of bone that tear into organs. Stopping the assailant.
>>28021144
Bestgore.com not movies. I knew you'd say that
>>28021156
>stopping
Not unless it kills them
Adrenaline nigger.
>>28021113
While typing that out did it not occur to your dumb ass that the .38 you might've been the lower end of the versatile loads that Anon mentioned?
>>28021113
Pet peeve: People that begin sentences on the internet with "uh" or "um". At lest you didn't end a sentence with "much?" Any idea what loads were being used for the rounds during this test? Were they using full jacket target ammo for one and a hollow point for the other?
>>28021156
Oh my
>>28021154
But muh adrenaline?>>28021169
Adrenaline shmendraline, that shit is a myth>>28021173
>>28021154
>If you shoot them in the heart with .700 nitro express, they'll drop just as hard. It'll just be more messy.
>>28021199
>adrenaline is a myth
If your shot doesn't kill the assailant, the adrenaline they experience will keep them going.
Stopping power only exists if you define "stopping" as "lethal shot placement"
>>28021173
Irrelevant, any 9mm has more penetration than a .38 that's the point.
>>28021214
Bullshit, I've seen many times people get dropped and lying on the floor played because they just got shot. They are alive and talking, you can put someone down without lethal shot placement.
>>28021216
Do you realize what the fuck you're saying? A fully jacketed semi-wadcutter flying out of a hot loaded .38 special will have far more penetration than a 9 shooting glasers. There is way too much fucking variability to say unequivocably
>any 9mm has more penetration than a .38
>>28021237
No.
See, here’s the problem with people believing in this thing they call stopping power: if that much energy were being transferred into a target, guess where else it would be felt? If you answered something about “equal and opposite reaction,” go ahead and buy yourself a drink and put it on my tab.
The show Mythbusters has covered this but for whatever reason it needs to be repeated over and over. A person getting shot is not going to have any more force enacted upon them than the shooter.
The reason it is ultimately a different outcome for the target is because of penetration. The force of the bullet itself does little, so it must rely on penetration to enact harm, in which case we refer back to the two methods that a bullet can actually kill/incapacitate a human being: loss of blood or direct hit to the brain or brain stem.
With that understanding, this whole “debate” about which caliber is best suddenly takes on a whole new light. Why? Because the overwhelming importance is not shock or awe or any number of other catchphrases, but rather shot placement—specifically in areas that can cause one of those two things to occur.
>>28021131
Force isn't a myth, nigger.
>>28021233
Show me.
Anecdotal evidence is hardly valid.
>I knew a guy
>yeah but I saw
>well my dad works for nintendo
>>28021216
>9mm has more penetration than a .38
>Blazer Ammunition Ballistics
>9mm JHP
>147 gr
>295 ft-lb
>950 ft/sec muzzle velocity
>Buffalo Bore Ammunition Ballistics
>38 Special +P LV JHP
>125 gr
>439 ft-lb
>1258 ft/sec muzzle velocity
Which do you think will penetrate more?
Also, at this point I'm gonna need a link to the video you saw.
>>28021075
I'm kind of fond of both the .38 and 9mm
Get a decent .357 revolver, the cheaper low pressure .38 is a pretty decent, mild recoil target round, all the way up to running +P for a bit more slap or if you're feeling a bit richer, full load .357 mag rounds for making shit dead.
I mean hell, most police dept's around the world shot heaps of people for 70 years or so with .38's, so it does its job fairly well in that regard. Plus not everyone's built like a brick shithouse so .38 is a decent round for smaller folks and ladies that are getting into pistol shooting for a cheap, practical gun.
9mm is a fantastic round really, like you said, you can carry a LOT of it in some fairly modern firearms and spray it all over the place at a prodigious rate, because sometimes, you just need to send a heap of lead downrange and its got a fairly mild recoil. Most decent quality 9mm weapons are also very accurate and controllable, at least in my experience. No one I've ever seen with an MP5 pointed at them ever took note and laughed that it was "only 9mm" as it really does make people quite dead for what it is.
>>28021249
So the force of a cannon ball hitting someone is inconsequential to a 45ACP? because unless it hits in a vital point it's not the force of the round that matters.
>>28021262
Yes, and tiny differences in force between handgun rounds don't matter. Unless you're comparing a rifle to a handgun, you're splitting hairs.
>>28021294
Hollow points used in context of penetration, being this retarded.
>>28021305
>comparing a handgun to artillery
>>28021305
The force is inconsequential.
The amount of tissue it displaces is not.
To better visualize, a .45ACP to the elbow will stop somebody just as much as an 8" cannonball to the elbow. But it'll take off their arm due to the sheer size of the projectile.
>>28021305
You are trolling
Don't feed the trolls
>>28021333
No it Fucking wont!
>>28021265
Why don't you give evidence first, you were the one who made the initial claim.
Claiming adrenaline will let people ignore bullet wounds until they bleed to death needs just as much evidence if not more than his claim people can be taken down without being killed through the pain/shock of being shot.
>>28021036
>>28021131
>>28021096
>>28021106
this
>>28021262
It's just a term used to express how effectively a bullet can transfer its energy to its target. It's just a combination of mass, weight and velocity. git learnt son
>>28021356
>an 8" cannonball won't remove an arm at a 4" wide elbow
>>28021323
>You may have shown that my statement was incorrect, but you're the retard!
>>28021365
It's Fucking ludicrous to even imply that a person can get hit with a projectile and keep attacking you. In the rare events this does happen it was because the fucker was on pcp or some Fucked up drug. Adrenaline doesn't just activate when you get shot and turn you into the hulk, Fucking shit.
>>28021367
>It's just a term used to express how effectively a bullet can transfer its energy to its target.
Which is an irrelevant metric.
>>28021418
Until of course you get shot and realize it's a real thing.
>>28021367
We are talking handguns, not rifles, not cannons, not booger flicking
Energy transfer is irrelevant
Shot placement is king
Penetration is queen
Big holes or multiple holes are distant 3rd.
>>28021294
>compares regular 9mm and +P .38
are you even trying?
>>28021428
Big holes in your leg won't put you down. Ok.
>>28021427
The application of force is a real thing. Stopping power as a quantifiable measure of the difference in energy imparted by various handgun rounds is not.
>>28021096
>imhereforthejobinterview.jpg
>>28021448
The claim was any 9mm was better than .38
>>28021448
See
>>28021216
>any
Think before you post if you don't want to put your ass out.
>>28021448
Yeah way to go fuckface.
>>28021476
>Big holes in your leg wont put you down
What is shot placement for 600 Alex
>>28021497
What is put my ass out?
>>28021487
what is a henna? -you
>>28021505
On jeopardy they answer in the form of a question, not selecting categories for 600 faggot.
>>28021548
Sometimes contestants will answer and mention the dollar category, but that's because they're autistic
>>28021548
>I was wrong, but he made a mistake too so I'll attack that instead
Kek, its okay, we were all new at one point
This is why /k/ Fucking blows, it always always turns into faggots arguing rather than being helpful.
>>28021532
Embarrass yourself.
>>28021671
Well I'm not embarrassed.
>>28021020
>stopping power
>>28021698
Well you should be. Perhaps your 'tism is preventing you from feeling how a normal person would after they say some dumb shit.
>>28021769
I didn't say it, I typed it and how the hell could I be embarrassed when I'm sitting in my parents basement in my underwear with a can of extra chunky JIF in my asshole.
>>28021631
some faggot starts an argument/troll tread comparing apples and oranges
hilarity ensues
it's the same shit over and over,
you're right about K being shit, but you seem surprised
>>28021106
Bet you would feel 50ae
>>28021915
Not surprised just felt like bitching.
>>28021020
>Comparing 9mm Para (Semi-auto) to a .38 revolver round
>Not comparing it to .38 Super or other 9mm self-loading pistol round
You dun goofed son
>>28022450
what does a round being rimmed or not have to do with its ballistic performance you giga nigger
>>28021537
Those piercings and gauges aren't drawn on tho.
>>28021062
50 Cent got shot with 9mm nine times and survived.
What's the best home defense .38 round? What's the best overall plink round for .38spl? What difference does bullet weight make?
I'm about to order 1,000 rounds for plinking and 250 for carry/defense.
>>28022774
>Implying a revolver round is the same as a semi-auto round
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