I'm sure it'll be fine. I hear those dirty Russians don't even know how to fight.
>>28016295
did we bring enough parkas?
oh fuck it, it will be quick.
>>28016295
Hitler and Nazi Germany was in a serious predicament in 1940/1941: although a non-aggression pact had been signed with the Soviets, both sides knew the other wasn't going to honor it. Germany and Russia are preparing for war, but Russia has a much larger industrial base than Germany. So for every year that Germany waits to build forces, the Russians build even more forces. Germany becomes proportionately weaker than Russia the longer she waits.
>>28016295
Ja, I am so happy that the Colonel said we don't have to bring the winter gear. Stalingrad is wonderful this time of year.
>>28016473
Barbarossa.
Russians have shit pushed in so hard that it came out like this post.
but they didn't and the comparatively few casualties of the Wehrmacht showed that
>>28016583
But it's true. Germany's only chance was a preemptive attack, before the Russians attacked (which they absolutely would have) and to beat them quick. They got the first but failed on the second.
>>28016295
>that awkward moment when all the alpha Germans died in WWII or left after the war.
Pic unrelated
>>28016583
Russians break the Wehrmacht. Soviet deep battle theory is effective despite incurring heavy losses.
>>28016635
>Soviet deep battle theory is effective
can we stop with this meme
>>28016599
Sup /pol/
>>28016631
Soviets made Germans Alpha again.
>>28016704
Wew, cropping fail.
>>28016699
The Red Army using deep battle defeated the Wehrmacht which was using blitzkrieg. It's shown to be effective.
>>28016295
Considering how many more men the Russians lost despite having superior numbers in almost every single engagement.. Yeah, they didn't really know how to fight.
>>28016620
>which they absolutely would have
Why? Just outside that childish Hollywood BS about STALIN BEING EVIL - why would they?
>>28016744
Wow, such a fine example, Russia's elite still did that bad against the literal handicapped, old, and children. Whilst maintaining a 15:1 soldier ratio.Very nice example.
>>28016767
Other than Soviet Deep Battle Doctrine never really truly being applied ever, it was only ever arguably implemented at the very ass end of WW2 when an unrivaled and massive Red Army was steamrolling through Europe. They promptly ditched the concepts after WW2.
Stop saying SDB was effective.
>>28016800
They really didn't. What they had was bigger reserves to pool from. Any loss, could be replaced later on.
>>28016810
Russia seeks to extend their sphere of influence and create a buffer against invasion from Europe. Russia demonstrates this by taking part in Poland's invasion and the Winter War with Finland in 1939. Later this plan is more fully realized in the Soviet Bloc's formation.
>>28016810
Stalin was the Richelieu of his time. A true believer of the righteousness of his cause but also a ruthless hardcore realpolitician. He was expecting the French to last a bit more than a couple of weeks. (then again everyone was expecting that)
>>28016810
Not him but all part of the greater communist plan to spread the revolution. Stalin and some in the soviet leadership eventually decided that the worker's revolution wasn't happening quickly enough so they decided the best approach was supporting their version of leftism while turning against all others.
>>28016828
Soviet Deep Battle is effective as demonstrated. It crushed the Wehrmacht horribly. You choose to ignore history at your own peril.
>>28016631
Fuck? Is that rubble powder or phosphorus?
>>28016916
>it crushed the krauts terribly even though it was maneuver warfare that sealed the deal
look, I get that you're retarded but it's okay if you just man up
the slavs built a theory around using mass to drown your enemy, and it proved to be a shit idea very early on in WW2 and it wasn't until the very end of WW2 when there just so happened to be an opportunity to apply some SDB-esque thinking to a situation, where it promptly gets hailed as proof of inhouse slav brilliance. yeah buddy, keep thinkin all that shit even though it was silently swept under the rug and never talked about
>>28016948
Actually, the Soviets only used human wave tactics very early on in the war because the German offensive caught them off guard and they needed to buy time in order to get the real soldiers into position.
It worked.
>>28016971
Why do you insist on talking about something you clearly know nothing about?
http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/1983/1983%20ziemke.pdf
>>28016828
This. General Soviet ground doctrine after ww2 essentially was "do not reinforce failure, reinforce success and let failing units wither while advancing to the objective at best speed"
>>28016948
Your interpretation of deep battle is simplistic, and you seem to have quite the chip on your shoulder. Deep battle took the Red Army to victory over the Wehrmacht and won WWII. It deserves to be recognized as a valid and effective strategy that would cause NATO trouble for years.
>>28016828
The Soviet Deep Battle Doctrine was gradually being applied effectively by mid 1943. Only early in the war, before Kursk was the Soviet war machine unable to fight to apply its doctrine to practice. They improved their strategy markedly over late 1943 and 1944, and by the end of 1944 they were able to put their ideas into practice with Operation Bagration, which annihilated the German Army Group Center, which pretty much spelled the end of the war for Germany.
>>28016948
That's not really true or how it worked out.
Early on the Soviets did not use "Deep Battle." They haphazardly threw units piecemeal into the German advance for a desperate attempt to slow down the Krauts.
For the most part it failed horribly as the groups were poorly led, sometimes only partially equipped, and almost never well supported. "Strategy" for the Soviets in 1941 can be summed up almost entirely by saying "send more men" and their tactics can't be described except by the term "nonexistent."
Deep Battle developed well after Barbarossa and also developed after their strategy of "Defence in Depth" you see in 1942 and 1943, especially at the Battle of Kursk. Deep Battle was NOT employed during Barbarossa, there were few Soviet commanders who even knew the term, let alone how to apply it in 1941.
>>28016714
MUH BRAVE DINDU NUFFIN GLORIOUS DEFENDERS AND LIBERATORS
>>28017030
T34 STRONK BRING IT PANZERFAGS
>>28016948
Deep Battle incorporates maneuver warfare. The entire aim of DB is to create breakthroughs so your mechanized armies can penetrate into the enemy's strategic depths.
Deep Battle failed in 42 and 43 because the Red Army didn't have the experience or unit composition to pull it off. There are a number of very good works written on the subject by David Glantz.
>>28016295
But herr unter, das ist vat you said about invasion of Poland, und ve lost Hans, und Frederick, und Xavier, und Albert, und Heinrich, und fritz.
>>28017060
>Deep Battle incorporates maneuver warfare
and yet the slavs only pursued a couple encirclements after Stalingrad and none between winter 43 and summer 44, with stalin himself saying encirclements were essentially 2much4slavs to comprehend.
>>28017084
I like how you were btfo so bad that you want to argue minor details now. Maneuver warfare is not limited to encirclement, you tard.
>>28017084
That's mostly due to their inability to decidedly break the German line than anything else. In 43 and even part of 44 the German army was losing, but not yet defeated. They still had the manpower and materiel to salvage lost battles and pull out retreats.
The Soviets were also more interested in straight drives than encirclement anyways. The Germans can only keep retreating until they get to Berlin after all. They'll lose men in the retreat, and it'll take less time to capture abandoned positions than it will to siege them. In light of the tactical ineptitude of the Soviets forcing a retreat was more efficient than completing a pincer movement against the still mobile and powerful Wehrmacht.
Once the Soviets destroy Army Group Center you see a lot more encirclements as the Germans lacked any ability to stop them.
>>28017071
>Poland 1939
>Resting inna post office after a firefight with untermensch
>Hans opens window, is gonna make delicous strudels
>Grenade flies in through the window
>goddamnitHans.jpeg
>boom.gif
>stumble out of the post office, ears ringing head spinning
>Polish rifleman puts me down with a 7.92 through the chest
>Propaganda tells my family that Poland has been a walk in the park
>>28017084
>none between winter 43 and summer 44
The Korsun Pocket operation was Jan 24 to 16 Feb 1944
>>28017084
>Strategic offensive operations, conducted under a cloak of deception, sought to achieve multiple penetrations of the enemy front and subsequent rapid encirclement of enemy forces. The Korsun-Shevchenkovskii operation and subsequent operations on the right bank of the Ukraine encircled large German groups. A series of successive encirclement operations in Belorussia in June-July 1944 destroyed German Army Group Center and the Iassy-Kishinev operation encircled and destroyed Rumanian forces and German Sixth Army in Rumania. The East Prussian and East Pomeranian operations pinned large German forces against the Baltic Sea. The pace of Soviet offensive operations increased in accordance with their increased depth to produce rates of advance of 15-20 kilometers per day for rifle units. Armored and mechanized units advanced at even higher rates (up to 100 kilometers per day).
Read your Glantz, bro
read this you fucking cock masters
http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/1983/1983%20ziemke.pdf
he's literally talking about you retards, I guess.
>>28016907
>all part of the greater communist plan to spread the revolution.
They finished with that in 1937, when all global revolution apologists were "finished". Kominters was de-facto eliminated. Trotsky was main ideologists of global revolution, and you know how and where he ended. 1936 constitution was cleared from "global revolution" thing. Stalin knew that nationalism is stronger than worker solidarity and never hide his opinion about that. He had idea of Socialism in One Country and march to the West was not part of it at all.
>>28016871
BS, read secret parts of Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. There was intends to create buffer state from Poland - thing that makes war with German technical impossible. Marks-Lenin ideology claimed that attack of capitalistic states on young Socialistic republic is imminent. As history showed - it was god damn right. Buffer states/republics between vital part of USSR and German\European war machine was part of preparation to this imminent attack. Soviet tried to create system of European security since 1936. When all attempts failed because of Poland and Brits, they took actions.
>>28017186
Why don't you read something written with access to Soviet archives.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/249773521/Soviet-Military-Operational-Art-In-Pursuit-of-Deep-Battle-pdf
>>28017187
Stalin wanted a sphere of influence that included at least Eastern Europe. This is the basis of his offensive actions beginning in 1939 and culminated in the creation of the Soviet Bloc. This increased tensions and lead to the Cold War, which would eventually be the downfall of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It's like Russia is to blame for it's own sorry state.
>>28016295
>02:06 EST
>Some people posting don't know who Tukhachevsky and (the most well-known French advocator) de Gaulle are.
>Think the German generals developed blitzkrieg out of their asses
>Think the literal propaganda of 'pre-emptive attack' was the reason Barbarossa occurred
Is even night-/k/ filled with retards now?
>>28017220
Yes and you and me
>>28017213
>Stalin wanted a sphere of influence that included at least Eastern Europe.
After failure of attempts of creation of European security system. USSR had negotiation with France, Poland, Britain and Czechoslovakia since early 30th. After fall of Czechoslovakia and failure of Moscow negotiations of 1939, Stalin as like "screw you guys, I see where it's all going". And begin his own actions to keep Germans as far from Moscow as possible. Eastern Europe territory helped, yes. But Buffer Poland could helped better.
>The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish state and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments.
>In any event both governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly agreement.
>>28017141
>Poland 1939
>Waiting outside the post office
>German inside opens a window
>He goes to set some gay pastry in the window
>No sweet only grenade for you
>Run around front
>Shoot some stupid German that thought it would be a good idea to leave the cover of he building
>Go home and make vodka from potatoes
>>28017141
>>28017276
>Poland 1939
>Feldwebel Ardemann orders our unit to take cover in a post office for the afternoon
>Feldwebel informs me that since our cook was gibbed by friendly fire, i have to make our dinner
>ihopeyoucuntslikestrudels.webm
>open the window to cool down my delicious pastries
>face is subsequently blown through the back of my skull
>welp its been a hell of a ride
>sp00ky skeleton gets out of my body and walks out the door
>Fritz gets gunned down, skeleton gets out of his body also
>mfw
I didnt sign up for this shit
>>28017367
>Poland 1939
>Hans pulls me out of the oven and opens the window to cool me off
>As he goes to place me a grenade flies through and splatters Hans all over the room
>I land perfectly fine outside in the hands of a child who takes me home and shares me with his family
>>28016714
have you ever been in east germany?
>>28016940
it was found in kobane, thats just decomposition.
>>28018841
>implying the NVA would not have crushed the Bundeswehr
>>28018841
Only West Germany.
