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Find a flaw.
>>28014612
It has no flaws. It's better than the AK in practically every way.
>>28014612
Shooting from prone position.
>>28014612
Fires unobtanium cartridge
Other than that, pretty much perfect. I would consider reloading equipment, if not already owned, to be part of this purchase
>>28014612
StG 44s, despite being rare, don't actually cost more than an M16, which is nice if you're willing to shell out +$20,000 for one. Realistically, that's pretty cheap for one.
>>28014612
>cleaning rod looks like a silly little alien antenna dangling out the front
>heavy
>gets very hot under sustained firing
>sights very far above bore axis
>no bayonet lug
>no muzzle device
>>28014612
I don't have 3.
>>28014630
>>28014639
/thread
and i dont have one
Hitler didn't like it.
>>28014619
>>28014639
>>28014693
This is a serious case of "nobody has one and I've never shot one, so their flaws aren't well-known"
>>28014612
Metal hand guards that can heat up and burn your hands from firing.
>>28014678
Cleaning rod is in the stock where it belongs.
>>28014639
It's not like there is current made production or easy to source parent cases.
http://ammoseek.com/ammo/8mm-kurz
>>28014706
youre right. id rather have an MP-40 t.bh fa.m
>>28014612
One sided safety
Sheet metal hand guards unpleasant when firing
>>28014705
>Hitler didn't like it
He's dead what would he know?
>>28014612
>7.92x33
>x33
>barely better than a pistol cartridge
>>28014706
>nobody has one and I've never shot one
I have, the AK is more comfortable to shoot and more accurate.
The sights on these things suck.
>>28014612
Its not an MP-40.
>>28014754
He knows about gas systems
The biggest flaw: it probably won't fit up your ass.
>>28014706
Nigger, I've shot both. And the StG 44 has better shooting characteristics than an AK.
>>28014744
desu senpai
>>28014742
Wait, that antenna sticking out the front isn't the cleaning rod?
What's it for then?
>>28014678
>cleaning rod looks like a silly little alien antenna dangling out the front
That's a stacking swivel you mongoloid.
>>28014823
>I have shot both
>I have shot
>I have
>I
You guys are arguing over subjective shit.
>>28014639
>unobtanium cartridge
sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/792x33-kurz
>>28014840
It's a stacking rod.
The cleaning kit fits into a compartment in the butt.
>>28014793
>and more accurate.
how do you know?
>>28014845
>>28014857
>>28014863
Thanks, the more you know.
>>28014612
>magazine puts pressure on the bolt and can cause feed issues
>anemic caliber compared to other intermediate calibers
>short life
>>28014855
>.70cpr
shiiit that's not too bad, most of the time it's $1 a pop
Would definately like to own a non shit semi auto clone
>>28014916
>making flaws right up out of thin air
>>28014956
Thinking about buying a bunch myself. I know a guy who has one and will allow people to fire it if they feed it.
I don't give a fuck. These rifles are so fucking pretty.
>>28014612
kind of heavy
Metal handguard that will heat up when firing, long magazine that makes it difficult to fire while prone.
>>28014810
doesn't apply to stg44s
>>28014972
>making up flaws
>any of those
>>28014612
Can you legally obtain one full-auto in the United States? Where can you get one excluding Syria?
>>28015119
Yea, there are fully transferable examples on the market. They cost as much as an M16, which is about $20,000 - $25,000. But that's actually cheap considering how rare they are.
>>28014639
ppu makes it still
>>28014754
Hitler was a retard. He thought the Mauser was the best infantry weapon ever created and he prevented any other weapon from becoming standard issue until it was too late.
>>28014983
>I know a guy who has one and will allow people to fire it if they feed it.
Think he'd mind if I masturbate while shooting it? Promise not to get any on it.
>>28015147
What about FOPA? Is it registered there? Do you need a license?
So how fast does that metal grip heat up?
>>28014867
Because the trigger and sights on the STG suck compared to an AK.
The blue light of the picture offsets the aesthetics of the gun.
>>28015199
Are you retarded?
The german infantry doctrine was focused on the mg34/42 all the rifleman were only there to cover the mg as it set up/repositioned, ferry ammo back and forth or call out targets.
The German infantry did not upgrade the standard issue rifle because of doctrine
The US army circa ww2 was more focused on individual marksmanship and firepower per soldier, hence why you get the m1 garand.
Now git, and stay git
>>28014612
required you to download the magazine or it wouldn't function reliably. The cartridges in the magazine pushed on the tilting bolt, and if it wasn't the correct amount of pressure the gun wouldn't work right.
Mags are expensive and parts are hard to find. Also the metal handguard gets hot as fuck.
I like shooting mine, but it only comes out maybe twice a year.
>>28015768
They had internet in the 1940s?
Did the Nazi's lose the war because they were still stuck on 56K while the rest of the Allied forces were just downloading more magazines?
>>28016067
>>28016067
No they weren't stuck with 56k, they were stuck with 98k.
>>28015539
Ah, someone else who has read CSM Rush and seen Keegan for the poseur that he is.
>>28015539
>Hurr durr, equipping Schütze with something more useful and overall completely better to the Kar 98 wouldn't help at all
Look up Mg 45 fag
here's the flaw you've been looking for
>>28016314
god damnit carlos
>>28014612
>Art deco styling
>>28018287
A for effort, C- in execution.
>>28014612
11lbs.
>tfw there is no proper Sturmgewehr family
By the way, has there ever been made an attempt to rechamber these things into shooting 7.62x39?
>>28018510
https://www.hmgunworks.com/product/hmg-sturmgewehr/
>>28014619
Except the part where it shoots an inferior round, uses inferior magazines with a lot of wiggle and follower tilt, is heavier, can't have a folding stock, have tall as fuck sights and a metal handguard that burns your hands?
>>28018556
The handguard is actually bakelite.
>>28015539
>German infantry doctrine.
I'm not so sure we should be looking at that doctrine as a success, considering....y'know....the loss.
>everyone ITT watched ian's inrange HMG repro videos and became instant "experts" on the flaws of the design.
I like Ian too but this shit needs to stop.
>>28019010
This would be a relevant post if more than two or three people actually mentioned the STG's flaws, like poor quality materials and poor quality control due to being built in a country that was getting the shit bombed out of it.
>>28018842
>The handguard is actually bakelite.
>bakelite
>handguard
And now is the time for me to begin the masturbations.
>>28019028
still makes most existing examples pretty garbage. The entire design needed to go back to the drawing board to be made properly. Like what HMG is doing.
>>28016799
Mikahil Kalashnikov would've had a heart attack inspecting that gun.
>>28019159
too soon
>>28014612
Uh, they cost 40k?
>>28016799
pretty typical german engineering. lets over complicate simple shit so it's super difficult, tedious and expensive to replace
>>28018510
Its called the HKG3.
>>28016799
How could anyone see this and think it was okay? Was the engineer just trying to show off and exaggerate his technical skills? The more Byzantine the mechanical workings, the more masterful the design, right Hans?
I can't understand it.
>>28014630
The helmets the Germans had wouldn't let them do that anyways.
Does anyone know what the MSRP of the HMG reproductions are supposed to be yet?
>>28020137
>>The more Byzantine the mechanical workings, the more masterful the design, right Hans?
Welcome to H&K.
>>28020207
their cetme is 1600 so I assume it will be around there
>>28020307
You're forgetting the "MUH MASTERRACE GNAT-SEES" price premium that dumb rednecks and autistic closet racists will be willing to pay.
>>28020207
Ballpark estimate of 2-3 grand, they're going to cater to rich collectors not the John Q Public nazi fanboy.
>>28020324
Holiday Season deal: $2000 for the 7.62 Kurz -chambered StG-44, and get a free Hugo Boss coat for free!
>>28020137
Slavs can't copy anything they can't understand.
>>28014972
you should watch ians videos about this gun. he mentions all of those flaws.
all of you guys should watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSz6dl94t1I
and this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e26eeLHwo0
>>28018510
Isn't the SG 550 series kinda descended from it?
>>28019159
>>28020003
Teenagers that have never owned a firearm detected.
How about you figure it out and stop fucking posting until you have something to contribute. Also tell mom I said hi.
>>28021171
Not in any way shape or form. SIG 550 is an AK knockoff.
>>28021217
Ah. Shows what I know.
>>28020140
Good thing helmets don't render the soldier effectively inoperable when removed, unlike a magazine.
>>28014612
Disassembly is a bitch because there is a spring running through the stock.
Take one apart and it's a bitch to put back together.
For it's time, perfect.
>>28014612
came too late.
>>28020362
>>28021192
lighten up, Francis
>>28018556
>can't have a folding stock
Good thing there's no extremely popular and well respected firearm with the same flaw today...
>>28019010
>WHY IS THE COLT WALKER THE BEST GUN EVER
>VG1-5 FIND A FLAW
>I WANNA BUILD AN ASP
calm down nerds
smelly
>>28016566
What the fuck does a late war gpmg that was never fielded have anything to do with standard issue rifles?
>>28018540
Any of you seen the vid of this with based Ian
>>28021390
nah, just you. it's totally a coincidence that this thread was started and half the shit he said in the vids has been parroted here.
the inner workings are as complex as that found in a jewish piano.
pic related.
>>28021415
I haven't seen his HMG vids. I'm just parroting from his other Stg44 vids.
>>28014810
God damnit
>>28021097
>Some faggot on YouTube said something
>It must be true
Kill yourself
>>28021217
But the AK is an STG rip off
>>28021808
Ian is god and his fuddlore rules all here on /k/
>>28020324
>jewing a nazi gun
BUT THEY SAID REASONABLE PRICE!!!
>>28014812
It'll fit up my ass, what're you on about
>>28016799
About the same number of parts of the G3 trigger pack and lower frame assembly honestly.
Pack itself is self contained but I take it apart every other weekend, easily 15 parts.
>>28021826
>I know nothing about the development of the AK: The Post
Get your fud lore out of here.
>>28018961
>Germany lost the war because of infantry tactics
>>28018510
The East Germans made new StG-44s redesigned for 7.62x39, presumably with improvements based on Haenel's simplified design for the StG-45 competition. The magazines look very similar to HK-32 mags.
The result was that the soviets went nyet, and told the NVA to adopt the AK or else.
We know of this from a czech magazine article.
>>28021269
It's not hard at all
http://youtu.be/Ob6Odw9PNMs
>>28014983
HNNNNGGGGG
Damn... even though it has a couple of issues it's still one sexy rifle and was really advanced for its time.
And for those saying the AK wasn't a copy of the Stg 44, keep in mind that kalashnikov admitted to it before dying.
>>28014612
How are you supposed to shoot on the ground? Hold it sideways??
>>28023022
Would be grateful if you could link the article.
headspacing was don by welding it with lead, it wasn't expected to have a service life longer than 5,000 rounds on the bolt carrier, and of course there's the fact that not loading your mag to 25 instead of 30 would cause malfunctions. other than that... perfection in gun form. OH, AND A CROSS BOLT SAFETY THAT ISN'T ON THE SAME SWITCH AS THE FIRESELECTOR.
>>28023335
The lead thing was fine since the lead was simply used to keep the block in place.
>>28023205
>[citation needed]
No matter what Kalashnikov said, it won't make a difference that the guns are completely different
>>28016799
>>28021935
>StG-44
>G3
What's the one thing these two have in common?
>>28014612
Only shoots x33.
>>28023349
It was pinned and then filled with lead to take up the dead space. Holding it there with the lead would not work.
>>28020362
>>28021299
what is the ungodly fuck?
is that how Alexander ruled Persia? By cutting that in half?
>>28024078
HMG is making their STG reproduction accept any G3 trigger pack.
>>28014751
>One sided safety
Are you implying the pure blooded aryan army allowed filthy left handers to fire the glorious stg44? Surely you jest anon.
>>28014639
they're making reproductions that fire more modern cartridges
>>28018961
The soviets won the war by massing tons of infantry armed with SMGs to overrun positions. Are you saying the US should adopt a similar doctrine?
>>28024342
But they specified that it won't function with a select fire pack without a bunch of other parts. tee hee
>>28024412
It's more complicated then that.
>>28014612
the one and only flaw is that it did not please the fuhrer...
>>28024421
I know that all you need for make the G3 full auto trigger pack work is space for the auto seer spring to sit (no semi-auto receiver shelf) and the bolt carrier to trip the auto seer lever on the way back forward.
HMG has probably designed the bolt carrier to no have clearance for the auto seer lever to ride underneath it and be tripped by the carrier.
The carrier on the left is the Semi-Auto version.
All that is seriously missing to trigger the auto seer lever is a bit of milled out steel in the left hand channel of the left carrier vs the FA carrier on the right that has it for a G3.
Makes me wonder just exactly what HMG has done to render their gun inoperable with the FA pack.
>>28014619
AK-47: Highly reliable, not as heavy, heavier round, rotating bolt.
STG-44: Weaker round, not as reliable, not as effective range on full-auto, tilting bolt.
>>28024531
>Makes me wonder just exactly what HMG has done to render their gun inoperable with the FA pack.
IIRC, from the InRange video, it seems like you need to mess with the geometry of the receiver or something. The audio's not too great in that part.
>>28024569
I wouldn't be too sure about that senpai. It will be interesting once we get a better look at that. An easy post sample Stg 44 would be neat
>>28014612
It's related to /pol/ and I have no tolerance for anonymity or other board users.
>>28024593
That's why I pointed out the audio wasn't too great. I wasn't really sure what they were saying at that part, just that whatever combo of things you do/add is the machine gun, not the trigger pack.
>>28024534
>not as effective range on full-auto
Explain why the AK-47 is better in full-auto then the STG-44. Do you have a link or is it your opinion based on what?
>Pic unrelated.
>>28024593
>>28024623
This is a full auto trigger pack
All it takes for FA is to trip that lever closest to the camera on the right hand side of the picture when the bolt is closing.
Like the other anon said. I'd be interested to see what they did to keep you from installing and using this pack. Most likely they designed the bolt in such a way that it won't correctly engage the auto lever.
>>28024623
Well that's the universal thing with those trigger packs since the rifle doesn't readily accept them without modification, just like all of 'em
>>28024678
Makes you wonder what combination of weld and milling will get it to work. Too bad that the hughes ammendment shits all over fun like that.
>>28024692
Yeah it sucks you can't do shit like that for the advancement of knowledge or some shit.
Fucking thought police. Just because I can build a machine gun doesn't mean I intend to shoot innocent people.
>>28024727
>>28020356
>rich collectors
c'mon, you watched the video like the rest of us
2-3k isn't "rich collector," and you heard as well as the rest of us that it was their goal to keep the rifle cheap so more people could buy it
fuck, prices will only go down the more they produce
>>28024727
Blue board nigger
>>28024633
https://youtu.be/dx0r6IP3DmU?t=24s
Looks controllable to me.
Don't know what that anon is on about.
>>28024740
This. Hell if I was going to shoot innocent people I'd join the airforce.
>>28024759
I'm quite aware
>>28024727
I just.... why?
>>28024775
Not to be the bearer of bad news but I hope you get at least a warning... unless of course the mods are lazy niggers. It's one of the few things I appreciate the mods being anal about.
>>28024727
>I recognize that dildo
Stan the T-Rex's head is as wide as a 12oz can is tall fml
>>28024727
This is a blue board, ass
>>28024727
I was going to say something witty about it, butt fuck it
>>28014612
Its hideous.
>>28024792
The mods are not lazy. The thread might get removed if they are 50% lazy.
If they are lazy 100% this time then they are kinda gay.
>>28024813
>Higashiyama Show
My nigga
>>28024792
> appreciate the mods being anal about
>>28024795
> blue board, ass
Clever girl...
>>28014863
>>28014845
>stacking rod/swivel
>I had to google it
interesting idea
>>28014612
>ROF too low
>grip swept back too far
>magazine too long to use comfortably while prone
>ammo is too damn rare
>gun is too damn expensive
I wish they made the STG44 in modern day calibers other than .22LR
>>28024906
lurk more
>>28024906
>ROF too low
Nigga what?! It has the same fire rate as the AK
>>28024727
jesus dude
>>28024489
It should be the Sherman pushing the t34 while the t34 is being shot up.
The US gave industrial might, England bought time, the Russians sacrificed blood.
>>28014612
weight? poor balance?
>>28018305
>Having a problem with Art Deco
>Ever
Get fucked.
>>28014612
It lost the only war it ever saw action in, then ended up helping the commies make an actual good weapon.
Can't use it prone
>>28014809
>40
HA
>>28014754
>>28014810
>>28015037
Why not? it is a german gun.
>>28018287
white text with black borders
>>28021826
>STG: short stroke gas piston
>AK: long stroke gas piston
>STG: tilting bolt
>AK: rotating bolt
You are as correct as someone who says the SKS is an AK derivative.
>>28028840
sure.. Hugo Schmeisser just happened to work on the same place(Izhevsk) as Kalashnikov, which as a red army sergeant, was a master into building firearms..
>>28029380
Yeah I never understood why we let the Commies have him as the Brits had him first. I guess small arms just weren't a priority.
>>28024906
There is a start up called HMG in Atlanta,GA supposedly working on one. Since they have never made a gun before and previously only made steel targets I am skeptical. Hopefully I am wrong. Forgotten Weapons have been interviewing them
>>28029580
the spanish were quick to snap up all the rifle designers they could get
>>28023322
Sure
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/07/15/unknown-post-war-stg-44-derivative/
