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Find a flaw.
>>27956177
There is a cannon instead of a driver.
Where the fuck would you even store the ammo in that thing?
>>27956182
Everywhere.
>>27956197
YOU SEE COMRADE, ENTIRE TANK IS MADE OF AMMO SO WHEN ENEMY SHOOT, THEY EXPLODE TOO.
YURI YOU ARE OF GENIUS
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IT IS THE BEEEEEINNNBLEEEEHHDDDEEEE!
>>27956177
100mm RHA armor
>>27956177
Too wide to cross most bridges.
>>27956180
Cannon is driver.
>Do you even operate?
>>27956350
>Driver, this is Command
>your destination is 100 kilometers north east of your current position, do you copy?
>"click BOOM"
>I take your leveling of that elementary school as affirmative
>>27956177
>Not enough dakka.
>Needs AdMech tech support.
>Easily lost.
>>27956370
>>27956180
wut
>>27956410
>Imperial Armor makes all these diagrams to make it seem like 40k vehicles might actually work
>GW makes their own shit that makes no sense and is full retard, erasing years of work by the guys that do Imperial Armor
Fucking GW
>>27956180
This is by no means a new concept
>>27956422
That's a breathing tube
First of all the front drive wheel is not attached to the hull at all.
Small road wheels are bad at mud and snow.
That turret at side is placed too low to be usefull in many situations.
And is that a crew hatch at the side? What a horrible weakpoint in armor. Same with those view ports under turret.
Hull mounted mortar was already mentioned.
>>27956429
I didn't know you could breath out of 3-inch howitzers
>>27956436
Who's the non-operator now?
>>27956444
I wasn't the one that said that
>>27956450
I wasn't really trying to relate the other "operator" post, just trying to make a stupid sarcastic comment.
>>27956431
>First of all the front drive wheel is not attached to the hull at all.
the model is just fuck
>>27956472
>as you can see this is a retard in his prime
>he can not simply look to the other track to see the structure holding up the track wheels
>remember kids, don't feed them or you might get hurt
>>27956490
>unprotected drive train is a good idea.
>>27956410
WHO NEEDS AMMUNITION WHEN YOU HAVE SKULLSSSSSS
>>27956472
Found a higher res
>>27956436
...Why can't you?
Just pop the breech and boom you got a tube.
>>27956518
>Library
>Chapel
>Paper thin armour
>17 different calibers of gun, 1 type of ammo stored
>2dooty
>>27956518
I don't see an engine
>>27956522
this floods the tank
>>27956526
>17 different calibers
Actually there's five.
>.50 on the top
>Heavy bolters fucking everywhere
>Demolisher Cannon in the hull
>Baneblade cannon on the turret
>Co-axial autocannon (think Bushmaster)
>All other guns are lasers
>>27956500
Never said it was, but once you have that much dakka there's no dying.
>>27956534
Its in the back, there's a floating skull manning it with mecha tentacles.
...oh 40k
>>27956177
Its not a bolo.
>>27956557
>.50 cal
Yeah if you want a gun that can do literally nothing to anyone besides unarmored humans.
Pretty sure all crew served weapons are minimum 1.00 cal
>>27960366
Then you'd be wrong.
Imperial Guard officer bolt weapons and stubbers are .50 cal
IG Heavy Stubber, IG heavy Bolter and Space Marine bolters are .75cal
Legion Heavy bolters are 1.00 cal
Auto cannons are 57mm
>>27956319
100mm is the thickness of the plate, not the effective thickness in RHA, dude.
>>27960482
Try again, the original figures are 180 to 210 mm RHA, Rolled Homogeneous armor; Not adamantium was specifically stated by Imp. Armor Vol 1, the weigh is 310 tons
>>27956182
It's a land battleship, apparently. According to some fan wiki they only store half a dozen shells in the turret ready racks, with the rest stored in a magazine a few decks below. They use a funky elevator autoloader thing.
>>27960508
I'm sure the figures for literally everything in this IP have varied wildly with every new author. It's been going since the 80s, and there must have been thousands of different people writing for them by now. Just pick whatever number you think looks cool and roll with it, i'm sure you can find a book published in 1997 that agrees with you.
>>27958762
Bolos are OP. In a good way. Especially the later marks after the Concordiot era.
I kind of wish Keith didn't die and elaborated like crazy on bolos, including the super advanced war machines from all of the various factions and also loads of additonal societial and philisophical consequences when for instance a war machine grows a conscience or refuses to be decommissioned, etc. The current stories touch on it but eh.
>>27960526
>land battleship
It has an armored magazine in the center of the hull complete with a shell elevator. It has at least seven separate weapon systems, each with its own gunner and possibly loader, too. There are three separate decks, including a berth to the rear with three enclosed bunks. All three decks are traversed via ladders, and there are numerous hatches on the interior that can only be accessed via a fingerprint scanner, locking the shitty pleb ratings in their sponsons until the commander opens the door to either let them out or hose out their remains.
Pretty radical, but it'll never be a Bolo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo_(tank)
>>27960508
can you pass me the file for the book, or take a picture of the page? I'd really like to see that.
>>27960618
>>27960584
I just want planet sized tanks m8.
Why is life so cruel ;_;
>>27960559
Not so much, When forgeworld created it the armor figures where made based off the figures of a Maus.
Games workshop has on the whole avoided ever getting bogged down in figures for armor etc other than vague statements of metres thick plate on the titans
>>27960626
All 40k rulebooks and supplements can be found here in PDF format. You're looking for Imperial Armor Vol 1, 2nd ed, under the Forge World heading.
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
>>27960626
Super structure: 210mm
Turret: 220mm
Mantlet: 180mm
Hull: 190mm
>>27960654
I would thoroughly reccomend volumes five through seven, the Siege of Vraks series. It has all of the rules for the models and shit that nobody actually cares about, but also has a pretty hefty chunk of literature detailing the campaign. It's gritty trench warfare, loyalist humans versus human rebels, over the span of an entire decade with plenty of detailed maps and force organization charts. Well worth checking out even if you don't care for the IP.
>>27960702
Cheesy sci-fi is the best sci-fi. Literally WWI but with space battles.
>>27960654
Thanks, anon
>>27960691
I know the thicknesses, the dispute is whether that is RHA equivalent or just the physical thickness.
>>27961107
It's forty thousand years in the future, I doubt RHA is still a thing. It lists the physical thickness of the plate (which is cyber-unobtanium or something).
ok this meme really needs to die now
>>27961124
Stats for the leman russ are given in RHA.
It's likely the same for the baneblade.
>>27956177
Dubs are impressive, but where does the railgun go?
>>27961157
Most likely because the guy writing the book had absolutely no grasp on the terminology of vehicle armor and grabbed an acronym that he kept seeing listed with armor thicknesses. This IP is all about fan wanking unreasonable power levels, I seriously doubt they intended this;
"...composite armour created by bonding layers in huge, high-pressure cookers, giving it a level of protection incomparable to most other Imperial vehicles. The first armour layer, in addition to structural supports, is constructed of adamantine. The second is a titanium/plasteel composite used to reinforce strategic locations, such as the assault ramp, front glacis and hatch doors. The next is a thermo-plas fibre mesh to absorb and dissipate high-energy laser weapons, followed by the first of two ceramite layers, designed to ablate against extreme heat and melta weapons. When combined, this armouring makes the Land Raider virtually immune to heavy artillery..."
to mean RHA equivalents we moved past in 1943.
>>27961124
It's 38k years in the future, where investigating and experimenting with new tech is grounds for execution without trial.
The BhaneBhlade weighs 310 tons and has a top speed of 25mph on flat terrain, somehow the world is not as advanced as what we are capable of now.
Despite the weight being 310 tons and the speed being laughably slow we're accepting the idea that this this has 3 decks, and is 13mx8mx6m is this thing made of paper?
The Leman Russ Vanquisher has 2 main variants, 1 is a long barrel with a simple APDS round 1/3rd of the bore, the other is a rocket assisted HEAT round
Ceramite as adamantium with layers of ceramics integrated, sounds oddly similar to a laymans understanding of chobham
The Landraider is listed as having a 300mm thick plate of steel in an old issue of White Dwarf.
Tl;Dr it's fun bullshit but 40k ground shit sucks massive ass if you look at the stats they claim for it
>>27961262
>Most likely because the guy writing the book had absolutely no grasp on the terminology of vehicle armor and grabbed an acronym that he kept seeing listed with armor thicknesses.
Exactly, however regardless of fanwank it's official figures
> This IP is all about fan wanking unreasonable power levels, I seriously doubt they intended this;
No the IP is about humanity backsliding towards extinction, the hope for a better future being a lie and referencing the fact humanity will allow it's worst aspects to define it, if we where to survive
>"...composite armour created by bonding layers in huge, high-pressure cookers, giving it a level of protection incomparable to most other Imperial vehicles. The first armour layer, in addition to structural supports, is constructed of adamantine. The second is a titanium/plasteel composite used to reinforce strategic locations, such as the assault ramp, front glacis and hatch doors. The next is a thermo-plas fibre mesh to absorb and dissipate high-energy laser weapons, followed by the first of two ceramite layers, designed to ablate against extreme heat and melta weapons. When combined, this armouring makes the Land Raider virtually immune to heavy artillery..."
>to mean RHA equivalents we moved past in 1943.
The fact that they are referencing titanium, a material that we can know and study the strengths of, as an important reinforcing component of the armor should tell you how seriously to take the official figures
>>27960508
I can't find what you're talking about, can you give me a page number?
>>27961515
Check the contents, look for "Baneblade". In the technical specifications it'll list the armor thickness, unless this anon is full of shit and got his source material mixed up.
>>27961847
I'm looking, but for the baneblade and similar chassis, its just a line drawing with no specs, unless something has fucked up or I'm blind.
>>27960471
Where do you get those numbers from?
Only official calibre I know is the .75 of the Space Marines
>>27956177
It's from Warhammer 40k, so it's safe to assume the whole thing is a huge collective of flaws.
>>27961179
The same hell as the rest of the tank.
>>27956518
ok this drawing was made by a retard.
there is a book named Baneblade which describes a baneblade pretty good. And the crew is just normal imperial guardsmen and not a freak show
>>27964316
That's a Sky Ray, bud. A fire support/anti-aircraft vehicle that only has the same basic hull as the Hammerhead MBT.
>>27964805
Xeno scum all die the same.
Baneblade!
>>27956177
>Find a flaw.
so big it can never move without crushing the road / mud under it
>>27964872
>implying that's not a pro since it also crushes the enemy
>>27956177
The right-rear exploded.
>>27956177
It is oversized and too heavy to operate in most places.
It would get stuck nearly everywhere and would break through the ground in cities if there was a garage or sewer under it. Aircrafts would take this slow chunk of steel out immediatly. Also look at all the high caliber canons. The Machine canons at the sides and front are 25 mm. I guess. This is what I found about the main gun: "This ten metre-long cannon fires rocket-assisted shells able to hit targets many kilometers away. Each shell is a metre in length"
The "Demolisher canon" at the front is already Battleship caliber lol. Storing ammo for all these weapons inside the tank is impossible and would make it a Bomb capable of taking out a whole block if destroyed.
1/10 would use as road block or to shows off at parades.
>>27964517
Seconding this. And it's not just tank porn, it also touches on Orks and the Imperium. Another book about the Baneblade is the first book of the Macharian Crusade series, Angel of Fire.
>>27956518
>>27965283
>those treads
>mfw the last thing heretics and filthy xenos see before they get crushed to death is the glorious Imperial Aquila
>>27965283
>The "Demolisher canon" at the front is already Battleship caliber lol.
It's basically supposed to be a sturmtiger like cannon.
>>27956429
That tube is clearly for providing Jerry's tanks with adequate ventilation.
Its a tank
>>27965417
sturmtiger wasnt a cannon though.
>im just being pedantic
>>27960584
have you read Road to Damascus?
>>27956177
>find a flaw
It's from 40k, the most try-hardiest, edgiest bullshit ever to exist. It is just one big flaw.
>>27965983
But that's heresy anon.
>>27966011
This is what I'm talking about
>muh heresy
>muh emprah
>muh xeno scum
I don't care about 40k and generally don't like it. I could just stop there, but the fanbase are so annoying, toxic, and generally just don't shut the fuck up about it, and that's what turns my dislike of 40k into hatred.
>>27956177
It's not a Shadowsword
>>27965983
>>27966042
>uses tryhard edgy bullshit unironically
>calls other people annoying and toxic
You must be an amazing person to have around.
![Shadowsword[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gYKu5Ep.jpg "Shadowsword[1].jpg")
>>27966090
>Compensation joke
>>27966042
I can understand not liking something.
I can understand not liking when that thing intrudes where you feel it does not belong.
I do not understand reading through and replying to a thread on that topic. If you know that you will not enjoy the read, why inflict it on yourself? None of these threads are mandatory.
>>27956177
Not bad as far as 40k goes. Still pretty bad.
The heavy bolter is better since the turret sits on top of the hull rather than the front of it. Keep the ammo right bellow the turret ring and your good. Ge rid of the demolisher, though. The Baneblade is so heavy that you can drive through anything the demolisher can destroy and it's too much of a weakpoint on the glacis plate.
The sponson bolters don't make much sense. They've got a limited field of fire from that kind of mounting and the positioning complicates the lascannon's mechanisms. remove it entirely, wield armor plates over the port, and add a coaxial heavy bolter to the lascannon.
The tread skirts are good from the side but not so good from the front. It shouldn't be too hard to extend them, though. The treads themselves are fairly wide but could be wider. Then again, the treads could always be wider.
The rear has a bunch of exposed piping and paneling. It's a fairly major weakpoint. Granted, I have yet to see a tank that's not weak to the rear but this is about the size of a small house.
The main turret is a bit short, restricting gun depression. Normally, this would be pretty minor but this tank is about three stories tall so gun depression is pretty important.
>>27967208
>unable to service target due to short range
>drive over target
>Ave Imperator
>>27967208
>coax heavy bolter
But.. Where would the coax autocannon go then?
>>27967608
>unable to service target due to short range
>drive up to it
>commander hops out
>proceeds to hit with sword
UGG! FIND FIND!
NO CAN!
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