Would a war belt be good at supporting a bad back?
Im used to wearing a weight lifting belt and it helps my injury.
Just curious about the the belt supporting the weight of all the mags and gear as well as supporting back
What are these war belts? Like a nylon version of leather police duty belts?
>>27944628
Bigger, covered in pals webbing for molle stuff.
I think wearing them high enough to compress the lower spine and belly is too high for a battle belt, but that's not to say people don't do it. If you're doing a drop down holster you might be able to get away with it.
Regardless, it is a great way to load up without stressing your spine like a plate carrier or chest rig would. I would suggest that if your back is in that sort of condition, you probably shouldn't be doing the type of exercises that are used with those setups (or battle belts), regardless of how you're carrying <10 lbs of gear.
>>27944646
How do they stay up without suspenders?
>tfw scoliosis
>>27944562
>war belt
Battlebelts are nothing more than an updated ALICE webbing. As such it works pretty well. The gear's weight is mainly carried by your hips. A harness will keep the belt in place while walking.
>>27945770
By not being a fattie who's waist is larger than their hips.
>>27944562
Why not get a nice gun belt and put belt-mounted pouches on it?
my quality of life has improved vastly since I moved my primary ammo from my chest to the rear of my belt. easier to run and crawl with.
>>27944562
It'll probably sit too low to give support. However, it'll put the weight in a biomechanically stable area.
>>27944646
>>27944562
I always ask myself: Wouldnt it be better to support the weight of a battle belt with shoulder straps or something that attaches to the plate carrier?
>>27945880
ALICE harnesses tend to induce shoulder pain, don't they?
I had to have two vertebrae fused at 17 because of a condition called spondylolisthesis. My case was pretty severe and full recovery was lengthy. I don't know where your issue is but mine was L4-L5-S1 and I can tell you from experience, no matter how tight you cinch up a duty belt or war belt, it isn't going to give you the support you're looking for. It will redistribute the load and you won't feel nearly as fucked when you lay down at the end of the day which for me is worth it . I've tried a few and the set up I run now is an ultralight back brace under my gear. It's the only way to get the support I need no matter what gear I am carrying.
There are a lot of cops with lower back issues because of wearing a gun belt
Many departments now issue load bearing vests
But if you want a belt then there are belt keepers that attach the gun belt to the belt in the pants
Or look for suspenders.
>>27948170
LEO here, I think the biggest culprit is when officers wear gear on the back of their belts (such as handcuffs) or just have an insane amount of stuff on their belt.
I used to have cuffs on the back of my belt but it would be uncomfortable pressing into my lower back whenever I sat down in my patrol car (or really any other chair) and I think the poor posture resulting from that was more apparently because I was sore.
I think that over time that's what causes back issues. I never carry anything on the back of my belt anymore, even though that does make the front a bit crowded
>>27948203
Me too
I changed to a double cuff case and moved it to the front of the belt,
I only have two belt keepers in the back
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>>27948302
Non-cop here. This is reminding me I never try sitting in my truck in my battle rattle. I keep meaning to..
>>27945770
the same way all belts, ever, stay up
>>27948321
I would make my recruits run in place with their new belts.
Helps find the noise and ever so often something would fly offs he belt,
>>27948041
If you keep them light it lets you carry your stuff at a class or something without having to put on armor.
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>>27948302
My department by policy only allows a medical glove pouch between the kidneys
I switched to a single handcuff pouch behind the pistol and a handcuff strap in front at 1 o clock position
But we dont have tasers to take up space on the off side because lolNJ so its just mags, radio asp gun cuffs OC
Posting in this thread because the gear thread hit the bump limit.
What do you think a battle belt should consist of? My set-up is based around having essentials on the belt with everything else in my backpack. I'm not a fan of chest rigs.
I already decided to get suspenders when I get the chance because I'm too thin for the belt and it keeps sagging. What else should I put on or remove?
Left to right: Ordered double M4 pouch, Universal pouch for scout rifle mag, nalgene pouch, ALICE first aid pouch, Leatherman Mut pouch, Ka-Bar, UM94 (GOAT) and pistol mag pouch.
Loose is a huge-ass utility pouch that was too heavy.
>>27948302
Yeah I have a double cuff case at about 11 o'clock, it's much more comfortable.
>>27948518
My department got the taser X2 about a year ago and that's a heavy bitch compared to the X26. I don't even carry an expandable baton. I just have a wood baton in my car that I grab if it's daylight or my SL-20 if it's dark.
>>27948545
If we had the options of carrying a taser i would probably dump the ASP and just keep a PR24 in my car i kind miss the ol straight sticks
>>27948545
my gun belt
>>27948582
And that doesn't mess with you inna car? I mean it looks rather packed to me.
>>27948567
Yeah, I carry a straight stick and it's pretty great. I don't carry OC spray (and most people in my department don't either) because I hate going hands on with people after spraying them and putting someone covered in that shit in my back seat.
>>27948596
It's not bad, it's all crammed together to keep stuff off my back. Not a whole lot I can cut from it anyways.
>>27948582
Y'know, I've always wondered how you cops manage to lug all that shit around on belts and not need to use suspenders.
I swear that cops adjusting their belts is the second most common thing I see them do in my town.
>>27948582
>Patent leather
God im sorry bro, our department just finally authorized nylon, my belt is 10 pounds lighter without all that basketweave leather
>>27948582
tfw cop
>>27948628
I work an 8 hour shift so it's not too bad, but if I get caught working late or work some OT it starts to get pretty uncomfortable by hour 12 or so.
>>27948629
It's all I've ever worn, but I sure wouldn't complain about a lighter belt.
>>27947239
what if you're wearing a jacket? harder to reach those pouches then.
warbelts also let you use the same sort of stuff you wear on a chest rig or plate carrier.
>>27948582
Did you cut the end of your belt off?
>>27948534
i know that belt, i have it. it's not a super great belt man, and if you really want to carry everything on the belt, you're going to need a nicer stiffer belt to stop the sag. or buy a micro chest rig to move some of that stuff off the belt maybe.
>>27948686
Yeah, the one I got issued when I started the academy was a bit too big, and I've started working out a lot more in the past year or so, I'm actually on the last set of holes on that belt.
Went from ~210 to ~195 and put on a decent amount of muscle, but that's more of a conversation for /fit/
>>27948628
When im in my car or inside doing reports ill unclip the belt. It stays on me because of the keepers but it sort of slides of and the weight rests on the seat instead of my hips.
>>27948582
You guys smell bacon?
>>27948707
Well, $18 was $18, so I'm living with the consequences. I could just cut my losses, get a GI web belt, transfer some stuff there and get a micro chest rig. Any suggestions on the rig? Just something to hold a few pouches and won't get in the way of a backpack.
>>27948582
can weget a dick pic in uniforms pls?
>>27948734
>tfw cops don't have a bacon pouch to give out free bacon during PR events.
Fuck the free hugs shit, fuck candy.
We are required to have
Asp
Oc
Taser
Two cuffs
Two mags
Flashlight
And a firearm of course
First aid kit, gloves and a knife are optional
So we have moved away from belts to vests
Like pic related.
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>>27948756
Recruit Applicant faggot here with a question, if I make a thread for other recruit questions would you lend your experience? Something like the military enlistment general.
If not, any tips on how can I be sure not to be the most fucked up guy in the academy?
>>27948763
I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you have if you start a thread, but I'm about to get ready for work.
I browse /k/ pretty regularly though.
>>27948763
sure, im always willing to answer questions, im at work so i can be in and out depending on how rowdy to locals get
>>27948735
i mean, i have the belt too, and for holding 2 magazine and a dump pouch it's fucking perfect. but it's too weak to hold a pistol, especially (i assume) an all metal full sized pistol, and all the the other shit.
what you should do is save your pennies for a $80 hsgi suregrip belt or maybe get it while it's on sale next week if it goes on sale, but failing that, I know one anon got an alice belt, the blackhawk! alice belt pad and it works alright with all of his heavy shit. For the micro, ao chest rig. it's what i have, and ill take some pictures in a sec. 8x3 molle panel on your chest, so you could hold 4 single mags across your chest. it's $60, and then you could put pouches up there. there's also the blue force gear rig, 10 speed i think is the name holds like 3 or 4 magazines and has enough webbing for a magazine pouch on each side. fairly small rig. you could always do an lbv and integrate it with a web belt.
>>27948756
My agency authorized cargo pants about 3 years ago. We're going places too.
>>27948780
I might post one during the week when the /k/ids are in school. Thanks and stay safe.
>>27948792
I have a few questions.
How do you make it easier to remember codes?
Would tazing and pepper spraying myself before the academy prepare me for the day when we have to do it?
What was the hardest part of your academy?
Forgive these extremely noob questions.
>>27948792
Don't oppress the upstanding citizens of (I'm assuming) New Jersey too hard.
>>27948821
Before I go
How do you make it easier to remember codes?
My agency doesn't use 10 codes, we just say what it is over the radio
Would tazing and pepper spraying myself before the academy prepare me for the day when we have to do it?
Don't bother doing it. It's gonna suck regardless of whether you've been exposed to it before or not. No point to put yourself through it twice.
What was the hardest part of your academy?
I wouldn't call my academy all that hard, but it certainly dragged on for a while (6.5 months) and there were a lot of academics, especially at the start that a lot of people didn't really expect. You have to learn a lot of laws, rules of evidence, depart policies, etc.
>>27948821
You don't have to shoot yourself to know your gun is effective
But remember pepper spray is 95% psychological
Google pepper spray fight through drill videos for more.
>>27948792
>NJ
Are you around Redbank? if so, please be kind to the people of the Secret Stash. I love them.
>>27944562
if it is low enough to put the ammo weight onto your pelvis, it should help a severe lumbar situation.
I had a herniated L5 and L4 for years and had very limited backpack ability.
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>>27948863
Thanks. For someone that's been through Infantry School (Basic Training/OSUT) is there anything as far as knowledge or experience that could carry over into the academy? Will having gone through that make it easier?
>>27948821
10 codes
Just use them
And your fto will probably test you
But only use 10 codes in non stressful situations
If you are fighting with a person, the last thing you should be thinking about is using the radio. And trying to think of a 10 code,
>>27944646
What belt is this?
>>27948821
>How do you make it easier to remember codes?What do you mean codes? Like 10 codes? yeah its 2015, we dont use them anymore, NICS recommends clear radio comms to ease interoperability.
If your department is still operating in 1980 then just print out a small card and keep it in your shirt pocket, youll learn them quickly after usng them
If you mean like access codes for developments, write them down. Your most important tool is a pen and notepad
>Would tazing and pepper spraying myself before the academy prepare me for the day when we have to do it?
No, thats retarted
>What was the hardest part of your academy?
Staying focused for its length, its very boring.
>>27948870
Further south, but in 732
>>27948887
PT should be easy if your in any semblance of the same shape
>>27948826
If you look at our voting records, we oppress ourselves willingly
>>27948048
That's more likely because ALICE is impossible to adjust perfectly, so you have to sacrifice gear placement and balance, and has a tendency to run floppy. The Y suspenders are dog shit with nylon for padding. H was slightly better. Modern battle belts are straight up comfy and make it real easy to balance the load with minimal bounciness.
>>27949216
>Modern battle belts are straight up comfy and make it real easy to balance the load with minimal bounciness.
Want. I would like a battle belt for range use to keep my mags close at hand.
>>27944562
I'm a giant. 6 foot 8, 300lbs. there are not vests or carriers that come even close to fitting on me.
I tell you this, so you can understand that I've got a lot of experience in using duty belts. I can tell you that i've tried about every possible way you could imagine to carry AR mags on a belt, and they all suck. use your belt for side-arm, knife, mags for sidearm, basic first-aid, etc.
I use a chest rig for my AR mags and it's worlds better than the belt. AR mags on belt take up too much room, make bending and moving awkward, and add awkward, uneven weight to your waist. it's annoying and it'll make your belt fit all fucked up.
>>27949243
You've never purchased a surplus US pistol belt?
>>27949243
>I'm a giant. 6 foot 8, 300lbs. there are not vests or carriers that come even close to fitting on me.
You're not trying hard enough. I am taller and wider than you (although the latter is shrinking lately, thankfully). There is battle rattle that will fit men like us, and it doesn't have to be paintball shit like I use. Surp FLC's are universal for the most part, but there are large and small versions. Large ones can be adjusted to fit men of our stature.
>>27949282
>belt
yes. I've used them all. Eberlestock is so far the best i've ever owned. I can't use or wear vests or plate carriers, so i've been forced to become an expert on duty belts.
>>27949299
I've tried this, but find that at full adjustment, they hand at my belly button.
>most of my height and weight is torso
>leg length is same as 6'1 guy
>i.e 34" inseam on pants, just huge upper body
it's nice to see another non-manlet on here, and if you have ANY advice on gear (besides belts) I'd love to hear it.
>the world was not made for us
>>27949331
>>the world was not made for us
Countertops and sinks are too low. Some cars are too small. Doors and frames aren't always high enough...
We should find others like us and make our own nation of tall people, so that our needs as gravity-challenged humans are properly met.
>>27949349
>gravity challenged
hahaha
Not to mention how difficult it is to find clothes and shoes that fit properly. Everything is always either super baggy, or too short.
Normies don't know the pain of clipping your head in a ceiling fan, or trying to use any kind of broom, shovel, etc. made for little people. and every motherfucker you meet
>omg how tall are you
>do you play basketball
>my cousin is really tall
>i wish i was tall like you
>wow you're so tall
>if i was tall id be in the NBA
>why aren't you in the NBA
>>27945770
>How do they stay up without suspenders?
Why don't you look a little closer at the belt.
>>27949375
>every motherfucker you meet
Jesus christ yes.
>>27944646
>>27949071
WHAT BELT IS THIS
>>27949434
looks like an Eblerstock
>>27948628
Ok I'll bite. What was the most common thing they did?
>>27949434
or a HSGI suregrip belt
>>27950644
Question. Will taco-mags like those work with 40-round magazines, either AR or AK?
>>27948041
I would rather have the weight on the hips than shoulders. There's even some product for supporting a plate carrier with a supportive battle-belt-style belt
>>27944646
jesus the gucci fag in me is masturbating furiously
>>27948302
/r/ing this pic larger.
>>27952501
They can, but they tend to flop. I suggest the TT pouches for the 40 rounders. The mag will protrude about an 1.5 inches.
