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What are your thoughts on the 9x18 Makarov. Suitable for edc? Anyone personally carry this gun? Discuss.
It should carry just fine, I'd probably just decock it and run it double action with the safety off personally cause I'm a lefty.
Finding a good holster might be a bitch, and you wanna watch the finish.
Now lets argue about hollowpoints vs fmj in 9x18 for ccw.
I wish 9x18 got the same love from ammo manufactures as shitty .380 did.
>>27943999
Plenty of people started using them for CCW back when they flooded the market and many still do now, if that tell a you anything.
It is a reliable firearm and would be suitable for edc....however I would not carry one. But if its all you can afford/have than by all means carry it.
>>27944025
Hear you on that one. Thanks for the response though, I've been heavily considering picking one up, especially with how cheap I've seen them at local gunshows in Florida.
>>27944025
I think Hornady makes some critical defense 9x18
>>27943999
I don't have a mak, but they're about the size of a Walther PP and I have no complaints with mine. I didn't really help, but I just felt like posting.
It is an acceptable CC gun. Though it is a bit heavy and large for a strong .380 ACP knockoff. Also capacity is only 8+1 and heel mag release. Though unless you are in South Africa. You shouldn't need more than 9 rounds.
They've risen to the price of modern poly frame good quality sub and compact 9mm/.380s.
The trigger pull in DA is 15 pounds. there is some dead space in the trigger pull.
Considered getting a second one for the fuck of it. Cool little gun, and I find it really visually appealing for some reason.
>inb4 cuz of dick grips
Once I get a CCW permit, I'll probably carry mine.
>>27944071
Dude I find them visually appealing as fuck. I have no idea why, they just look good to me. How much did you pick yours up for?
>>27944077
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>>27944071
all that smooth blued metal.
modern poly pistols unaesthetic as fuck.
>>27943999
DICK GRIPS
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>>27944077
I think it was like $315 at some gunshow a year ago.
But now it looked Ike new batches in pretty good condition are being imported again for around $300 so I'm considering getting myself one of those unissued/ mint condition ones that have started to seep into the market.
>>27944106
Pretty much this. I get a massive boner for shiny blued metal and wood/Bakelite.
>>27943999
A Freudian Success
>>27944172
>>27944106
What about paper? My favorite finish is paper.
>>27943999
I carry a CZ-82, it's basically a Makarov but slightly superior due to a double stack magazine and a better mag release location. It has its fair share of issues but it is superior to the Mak, and this is coming from a full-on slavaboo. Bought it for 250 dollars came with a shitty holster and a spare mag.
>>27944198
Tacome?
>>27944478
No. He already made a makarov anyway. There are a few other papercrafters who make guns. I don't have any videos up yet. There are several makarovs made from paper, so I may do something different next. I have a few ideas, but I'm not sure yet.
>>27943999
get one in .380 or bust
>>27944530
That is not how you makarov.
>>27943999
>heel mag release
god damnit europoors, at least get the mag release right so us americans can use your bullshit
>>27944071
Implying you don't want to grab a hold of those thick, firm dick grips that allow you to blow hot loads all over the place.
DESU, they do look damn appealing. I've always liked the look of Slavshit and these are no exception. There is just something about the design that says it is a great gun. And if the grips aren't big enough, you can always get some Pearson grips for your BBC fetish.
I carry mine OP, it's kind of fat and heavy, but that shouldn't be too much of a hassle if you aren't a manlet, people CCW 1911's, makarov won't be shit
>>27944550
>can't operate a heel mag release
>>27943999
Why do poorfags insist on getting the oldest and cheapest shit they can and tell themselves it can do everything based solely on the lower price
>>27945037
Yeah maks are shitty pistols. The only thing they have going for them is price
>Shit caliber
>Shit caliber that is also snowflake
>Shitty heel mag lock
>Shitty magazine count
>Shitty Trigger
But muh slav memes, nothing Russian could be bad.
>>27945037
What do you mean by "do everything?" Makarovs are accurate, reliable, and decently ergonomic. No one here was ranting about how absolutely amazing the gun is. They're a fairly low priced gun that is pretty good for the money.
>>27943999
Nice trips
Anyway, I was looking for one but ammo and a holster were a pain to find. Ended up getting a Bersa .380 instead, and I love it
I think it's a neat gun with good history and high cool-factor. I own one and may buy another.
but I would discourge it heavily if you're searching specifically for a carry gun. It's a gun, and it works. like other anons itt, I'm not saying it's entirely not suitable for carry, but I feel its weight and size combined with small mag make it a poor choice.
if it held 12 and weighed that much, okay. or if it still held 8 but weighed less, it'd be okay. but it's a bad combination of features for a real, quality CCW.
I carried a commercial russian in .380
Pocket carry, no holster, decocked safety on.
It felt better in my hands than anything else i tried there.
Now that im in texas i cant carry concealed, so i just bring my AK with me everywhere.
>>27944039
They do. It's what I carry.
>>27945384
Thats what I put in my Mak, its in the nightstand drawer next to its other mag, all i need now is just a CC/OC paddle holster
Should I get a mak, or a cz75 p01 compact for ccw?
>>27945037
Because it do the job and you won't cry when the cops never return it.
>>27945421
The p01 is pretty heavy but it's such a nice shooter. Working on getting a pre-b 75 at the moment
Makarov is a reliable, and accurate design completely adequate both for combat and self-defense. With an extra power spring, it is also one of the softest shooting pistols in its class, with almost no muzzle rise. There's a reason that despite being designed at the end of the 1940's, the pistol is still in wide use by police and military forces around the world; it just works.
The only problem I have is inadequate magazine capacity, there are modern options with high reliability and accuracy that will offer more powerful loadings and higher capacities.
>>27945059
They're good guns for what they are. If it let's someone for 300 dollars get a pocket pistol, why complain?
Besides, if you're more comfortable CCing it, go for it. I like them.
>>27944126
AFTERMARKET REPLACEMENTS.
>>27944550
>Please create the pistol for the defenders of socialism in such a way that us capitalist imperialist americans can use it 60 years later
Do you know how dumb you sound?
>>27943999
I EDC mine. it cycles hornady HPs even smoother than standard FMJ rounds.
I carry a cz 82, but when I finally get around to picking up an AK I'll need a mak to go with it
>>27944025
Look at Fobus holsters. I like mine. Modern design.
>>27944550
There's some kinda aftermarket grip that does it
>>27945028
> Kind of fat
Now I completely agree with the heavy part but my makarov is quite thin compared to my tokarev and hi power.
>>27943999
>uncomfortable to carry
>uncomfortable to fire
>less economic 9x18
It's a great collectors gun. I have two, no regrets.
They are not self defense guns.
>>27943999
Maks are great. However between being a small guy and not being able to find a holster, mine is strictly a nightstand gun/plinker. The 9x18 round doesn't lend itself well with hollow point ammo because it is a lighter round that isnt going all that fast. Buffalo Bore has some good articles under the "technical articles" tab on their website that go more into detail about the subject. After reading them I definitely think I'm going to grab a few boxes of the hard cast 115 grain. Anyone have any experience with it?
>>27947019
One day I will find a sweet jacket that has a nice makarov-sized inside pocket and grab a lanyard and make it my winter carry piece, along with those hard cast rounds to punch through thick winter coats and what not.
Grips in the form of a stylized penis
OK OP, let me give you the lowdown. For some people this gun is too heavy, not ergonomic, has bad mag release, low capacity, and a robust frame. I can see all of these being true in the modern age that some people who are used to plastic, ergonomic, customizable, etc. guns would shit their pants about this gun. However, the standard makarov is fairly cheap, incredibly sturdy, and so simple that malfunctions are few and far between, if they ever happen at all on your particular gun.
As for ergonomics, its personal taste. I'm a little Slavlet, so it fits my hands rather well and feels good to shoot. It was also my first handgun and as such I was able to get good with the heel mag release. Once again, these issues depend on the person and what they are used to. For me, I wouldn't want another handgun.
Okay, I'll touch briefly now on variations. Many countries made a 9x18 handgun that is either a direct copy or some variation on the original. Sometimes the variations (Polish and Hungarian 9x18s) can be had for under 300$ and also offer a quality handgun. Czech CZ82/83s are harder to come by now and are more expensive, but are also great handguns (though they are more complicated than the original design). You can look into these guns if you want, but understand they do differ from the original in some ways.
Now onto ammo. Some people bitch about this and I would agree that yes, it is harder to find LOCALLY, but I've seen more of it online than I ever have and for decent prices. So if you order ammo online, then its not a problem. For SHTF purposes, just stack up and don't worry about scavenging bodies. You'd be dead before it came to that anyway. Speaking of dead, the round is perfectly capable of killing and while it may not be as big or as fast as other calibers, it will still kill. I use hornady critical defense in the summer (which are excellent rounds) and in the winter I just use FMJ. For what I would encounter around here, 9 rounds of this is (cont.)
Who east german Makarov in here?
>>27947355
more than enough, but it may not be for you. Another benefit of the round as others have said, is its ability to be toned down by use of a heavier spring into a very soft shooting cartridge. Further than that, however, is the report if the round. It is pretty quiet as far as handguns go. Which means if you ever have to use it, you probably won't wake the neighborhood and inside your own house, you'll probably end up with less hearing loss than you would with a shotgun or even a 9mm.
One final thing I want to touch on is the safety. For original design Makarovs, the safety is pretty reliable and offers lots of protection. The DA trigger pull is fairly heavy, as well, and I am comfortable carrying without the safety on. Unfortunately, you cannot carry safety on, hammer back on these, as the hammer drops when the safety is on. Only CZ82s allow this.
Good luck OP, hope this helps. I can answer any more questions if you have them.
>>27946960
get outta my head!
>>27944495
Make a paper frame for a real gun and test fire it.
Where's a good place to get a Mak?
>>27947572
Aimsurplus for a Bulgarian. Wideners has Polish P83s for 200 shipped... They are both very nice. The Polish one is a bit weird looking, but still an awesome gun.
>>27947355
I own a bulgarian mak and a polish P-64.
The P-64 is significantly smaller (6+1 capacity), and therefore more comfortable to cc. The single-action trigger is AMAZING. The double-action trigger is HEINOUS.
>>27944198
sperm
I've carried one for five years. It kills stuff dead.
>>27947386
Yo
>>27947702
>I've carried one for five years. It kills stuff dead.
I believe both of these conclusions, but I sincerely doubt you've ever killed anything with a mak.
>>27946995
>uncomfortable to carry
Debatable. Guess it depends on how you carry it.
>uncomfortable to fire
Wut
>less economic 9x18
Nigger it's like $10 a box of 50.
>>27945059
>>27945037
>muh poorfag meme
>muh Slav lovers
Or, you know, some people might just think it's a cool little gun for the price. But god forbid anyone buy anything that isn't in 9mm and less than $600.
>>27947751
Coup de gras on a few Coyote. The hornady critical defense loads worked great.
>>27947702
Oh and rattlesnakes
>>27947464
I plan on getting a .22 barrel at some point and doing that. It turns out P22 magazines are close to the dimensions of a makarov magazine. I have 10 fingers, I can spare a few.
>>27947701
Sperm is a 9/10 finish. Unfortunately it turns into superglue when exposed to warm water.
Can anyone give me the rundown on Baikal Maks vs. other Maks? Are the commercial releases roughly equivalent to the miltiary models, or do the Baikals fare worse overall?
>>27948222
Mechanically they're identical, the only difference is the the commercial models have adjustable sights.
Which may be a pro or a con depending on what you like.
>>27948297
Let me add that I've shot many Baikal Maks and I own a Bulgarian Mak so I'm not talking out of my ass here.
>>27948222
I have a commercial mak. It's the same thing, just different sights. I chose it over a military one, just to have that option if I ever want to play with it. Most people want the military one it seems.
>>27943999
The tiny sights that are common on older guns are slower to acquire than the larger sights on modern pistols. I shot my Makarov with a shot time against an M&P Shield and an M&P Bodyguard and the Makarov was .2-.3 seconds slower depending on the lighting and was up to .1 seconds slower when transitioning between targets depending on the lighting. I should note that both the Makarov and the M&P Bodyguard have the front sight painted bright orange (vivid orange gloss enamel paint from Hobby Lobby for those interested) so I can pick it up faster, without that it the time difference would be even bigger (I would scrape the paint off and try again, but it takes about 2 weeks to cure completely and I don't feel like repainting the sight again). When I carried my Makarov I did so with the hammer cocked and the safety off so I wouldn't have to worry about the less consistent trigger. Other than that it's completely spam able with very little muzzle flip (on the scale of .22 pistol to full size 9mm it's closer to the .22 pistol end).
>>27944025
Carry ball, otherwise you risk underpenetration which could result in you not being able to stop a determined attacker.
>>27947656
How's the quality vs. that of Classic's? From what I've heard Classic has pristine ones right now.
>>27946782
enjoy being paralyzed when you fall over because of that thing smashing your spinal cord in a strange way.
>>27947422
Hnnnnnng... That rifle in the middle. My want. All of it.
>>27948363
It's a regular PTR with CETME mag, brah. But I do love it
>>27948354
uhh, maybe if I carried it at the small of my back?
>>27946782
does anyone know the make and model of this holster?
>>27948671
A crossbreed. One of the few holster makers out there that make makarov holsters, and as a plus, they're some of the best damn holsters you can get for inside-the-waistband carry, too.
I gotta pick one up for my Mak, in fact.
>>27948671
"Crossbreed" is the make AND model, btw.
http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/
>>27948671
Check out crossbreed as suggested, and aliengear too
>>27948645
Is that a GI model? I'm seriously considering one if Atlantic gets them back in stock. I really need a .308 battle rifle in my collection.
>>27948835
GI has OD green furniture
>>27948867
Yes, I'm aware. The GI also has the gray phosphate finish like his.
>>27948835
yeah it's a GI
>>27948867
I just bought the wood later.
>>27943999
I just ordered one from AIM Surplus yesterday. I had to have one after shooting the Bulgarian Mak that my buddy owns. I really hope the one I get is as clean as his, and AIM said the ones they got in are in great shape with minor holster wear and maybe a few small knicks at the most. I'm planning on getting a N82 holster for it since I love the one I have for my G19.
>>27949180
I carry mine, so finish isn't a concern. Still haven't been able to cause a malfunction in mine. Installed the extra power spring, recoil is closer to .32.
>>27948329
Personally, I wouldn't order from classic. They've shit on me a few times with guns that were "Excellent, like new!!" but that were actually very good, with completely shot out bores. I think they misrepresent quite often, where AIM is more honest and will give disclaimers if there's a chance for anything funky to happen. AIM is also almost always cheaper by at least 30$. The Bulgarian Makarov I got from AIM in this current batch is perfect. There's no wear, no marks, nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if it was only ever test fired. I can't say that for all of them, but I've only heard good things about this batch.
Also, supposedly the back story to these is that they were sold basically new to Slovakia (or maybe it was Slovenia, can't remember) and that military put them in storage and didn't really use them. Which explains the freshness of these guns. Most probably weren't issued or used by police.
>>27948222
Lots of people shit on them, but honestly like the other 2 posters said, they are identical other than the sights and maybe the finish. It shoots just as well and functions just as well as my other military Makarovs.
>>27947771
It's like $15 to $20, but that's not the point.
You have exponentially more options with luger or kurz than mak. Weight, expansion, tracers, availability, capacity, cost, etc.
>>uncomfortable to fire
>Wut
Yes, the Makarov is ergonomically awful IMO.
>>27947688
Yea, the P64 has a nasty DA pull and I don't even attempt it. You can make it better with a new Wolff spring, but that's up for personal taste. Have you shot the P83? It's more of a direct Makarov copy made from stamped metal. It's a little lighter and has a nice feel to it, despite looking sort of alien. The mag release is also very strong so its easier on changes. I like mine a lot, but I need to adjust the sight a bit.
>>27949424
Feels better to me than anything else ive tried.
![tumblr_nr4uh2xqWT1qfzcnbo1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/v9ePcYZ.jpg "tumblr_nr4uh2xqWT1qfzcnbo1_500[1].jpg")
>>27949298
>>27949641
Hey, if you like it, you like it.
Then again I like my glocks grip, so...
>>27947817
>in a thread about people's opinions
>criticizes someone for giving his opinion
Great job, you sure showed him.
>>27949641
Apparently you haven't tried much then, because lolis definitely have superior ergonomics.
>>27950002
1911s, CZs, XDs, glocks, m&p.
I only really liked the glock 42/43 and Mak.
I have baby hands because my growth was stunted at a young age.
>>27950046
>because my growth was stunted at a young age.
How stunted?
>>27950108
I stopped growing at about 16. Im only about 5'7"
I'm guessing it has something to do with masturbating so much from 8 years old.
>>27950163
Have you ever attempted to pass as a cute girl?
>>27950046
How small are your hands? I'm 5' 6" and wear smalls gloves but I don't have a prob with a full sized handgun. I had trouble shooting the 43 because there's not much grip to hold on to.
>>27950239
No, im 220lbs.
>>27950261
My thumbs are short so i typically cant reach the mag release/slide stop.
>>27950279
>only 5'7"
>overweight
Are you a Mexican by any chance?
>>27943999
If you value a firearm that will absolutely never fail, go for it.
The only thing about Makarovs of all types is that you need to order new springs(mainspring and recoil). Often enough they're either old and stiff, or overshot and weak. Either are bad, they either make it harder to use or snappier to fire, and possibly make them less reliable.
>>27949298
I'm not too terribly concerned with the finish, I know what I'm getting into I just don't like massive gouges or a massive loss of finish. But if it gets too bad, I can just have my fun shop cerakote it black or something nice.
>>27944025
>finding a good holster
Does anybody on /k/ make their own holsters? I haven't tried but it might be fun and educational. I thought of starting with a spare mag carrier, then graduating to a full holster... Anybody? Is this a /diy/ topic? Good YT vids out there on making small leather goods.
>>27949488
I have not handled a P83. I was actually fighting the urge to buy one yesterday. Stubbornly resisting collecting more 9x18 pistols.
>>27948320
You carried ur mak w/ the hammer back and the safety OFF? You're nuts dude.
OP- many people feel the country of manufacture is important. I have an East German mak and I love it. I'm in love with it.
People say the Russian ones are best, followed by East German, then on down the list.
I carried mine for many years. It was... pretty bitchin
>>27952741
>You're nuts dude.
Why? It's in a holster so nothings going to pull the trigger.
How long do we have before that fatass who's afraid of mexicans shows up to shitpost? Or is he already here?
>>27952770
>>27952770
I understand the logic but the idea that that spring is tense and just waiting for that tiny .1mm ramp that's covered in oil on the hammer to slip out of place freaks me out.
I used to carry mine hammer down and safety on.
Again I get what ur saying I'd just never feel comfortable with it in that state, hammer poised
>>27949385
I second this. Just got one from aim in pristine condition, and with a bonus wood grip!
It's got the worst trigger I've ever felt
20 pounds and feels like its full of sand, so fucking gritty. In addition, it shoots special snowflake round, I wouldn't waste my time with a makarov
>>27952960
>it shoots special snowflake round,
You can get a case of a thousand rounds for like $10 over what a case of 9x19 would cost.
http://www.sgammo.com/product/brown-bear/1000-round-case-9x18-makarov-94-grain-fmj-brown-bear-ammo-lacquered-steel-case
Just because you can't get it at WalMart doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I don't get why people talk about this stuff like it's some super obscure museum shit.
>>27953014
I didn't say it was expensive or hard to find
It's not a commonly used round, there's pretty much only one gun that uses it (aside from the bizon, but we can't have those)
>>27952492
Just do it if you got the extra cash. It'll only get more expensive and then you'll cry every night wishing you'd have gotten one for 200 rather than having to spend 400. I know, this happened to me with Chinese Nuggets. Missed the boat when they were 80$, and now they are gone and what ones do pop up are like 350.
